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India team under Rohit Sharma is sitting at below in last 3 ICC events -

WWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

So that is total 25 games, win 24 and one solitary loss. This kind of dominance in white ball cricket is rare to see.

How does this compare to the great Australian white ball team of early to mid 2000s?
 
India team under Rohit Sharma is sitting at below in last 3 ICC events -

WWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

So that is total 25 games, win 24 and one solitary loss. This kind of dominance in white ball cricket is rare to see.

How does this compare to the great Australian white ball team of early to mid 2000s?
Lol...never mind but no one can become lion by wearing his skin...the same comparison
 
We bottled 2023 world cup otherwise gap would have negligible.

Nvm in a decade,we will surpas them in trophy count.

:kp
 
Lol...never mind but no one can become lion by wearing his skin...the same comparison
Cricket has changed. However we still do comparison of players from cross era. Does that make them lion wearing skin?

We need to compare the achievements of respective teams on the era they are playing.

So Indian teams dominance under Rohit Sharma is no way inferior to Australian side under Ponting/Waugh. It is a fair comparison IMO.
 
Cricket has changed. However we still do comparison of players from cross era. Does that make them lion wearing skin?

We need to compare the achievements of respective teams on the era they are playing.

So Indian teams dominance under Rohit Sharma is no way inferior to Australian side under Ponting/Waugh. It is a fair comparison IMO.
I will answer you in detail when free.
 
India team under Rohit Sharma is sitting at below in last 3 ICC events -

WWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

So that is total 25 games, win 24 and one solitary loss. This kind of dominance in white ball cricket is rare to see.

How does this compare to the great Australian white ball team of early to mid 2000s?
Not close yet. Beating classic Australia in anything was seen as an achievement. It's what made medicore players like laxman legends cause helping a Dub over classic Australia is the only reason a 46 avg player with only 17 centuries in over 130+ test games is celebrated.

This current India lost to NZ in their own den, Lost to Aus in BGT.

They've come close to aus in Odi however. Their still comfortably behind them in tests when it comes tonstatus
 
India team under Rohit Sharma is sitting at below in last 3 ICC events -

WWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

So that is total 25 games, win 24 and one solitary loss. This kind of dominance in white ball cricket is rare to see.

How does this compare to the great Australian white ball team of early to mid 2000s?

This is a crazy record, failing few finals cost us the comparison, but one of the GOAT teams in Cricket in last many years.
 
Not close yet. Beating classic Australia in anything was seen as an achievement. It's what made medicore players like laxman legends cause helping a Dub over classic Australia is the only reason a 46 avg player with only 17 centuries in over 130+ test games is celebrated.

This current India lost to NZ in their own den, Lost to Aus in BGT.

They've come close to aus in Odi however. Their still comfortably behind them in tests when it comes tonstatus
I am talking about white ball cricket only. Agreed much to desire in test format.

Also, this is not a man to man comparison between say Varun C and Shane Warne. This is a comparison of achievements of respective team in white ball tournaments in their respective era's.
 
Not close yet. Beating classic Australia in anything was seen as an achievement. It's what made medicore players like laxman legends cause helping a Dub over classic Australia is the only reason a 46 avg player with only 17 centuries in over 130+ test games is celebrated.

This current India lost to NZ in their own den, Lost to Aus in BGT.

They've come close to aus in Odi however. Their still comfortably behind them in tests when it comes tonstatus
No talk about Aussie :moyo2 woment's team??:afridi:yk2
 
I am talking about white ball cricket only. Agreed much to desire in test format.

Also, this is not a man to man comparison between say Varun C and Shane Warne. This is a comparison of achievements of respective team in white ball tournaments in their respective era's.
Difference is current era is easier to dominate as their no strong teams besides India and NZ.

Current Aus is on its last legs in odi. The country has amazing test stocks and T20 stocks but no odi stocks. Their backups suck.

And even in test Their struggling somewhat once their legends retire.

Bang, Pak, Sri Lanka, WI, zimb, are non negligible now. And sa + eng + Aus are clearly weaker then their classic selves.

Only 2016-2022 England > classic but not the case anymore when they can't beat minnows now.

Classic Australia had to deal with much tougher teams. Classic India is not a joke, their batting and fielding is > current India but their bowling is inferior.

Similar all classic teams of that era are >.

Classic Australia dominating semi good to good teams is not the same as India beating NZ, SA and aus on its final legs. With the rest being virtual non factors.
 
No talk about Aussie :moyo2 woment's team??:afridi:yk2
Why would I talk about them? Aussies women have never once faulted since the inception of women cricket unlike aussie men whos era ended in 2008.

No cricket team has come anywhere close to the dominance achieved by aussie women.

Their literally untouchable and their era never ended. It'll continue till the end of time.
 
@Aang_The_last_airbender @Rajdeep

In terms if era dominance

Aussie women >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic Australia >>>> classic Wi > Current India.

India needs to establish test dominance and carry it for the next 10 years to surpass classic wi and classic Australia.

The main uphill and almost impossible battle will be of they can surpass the dominance of Aussie women.
 
Definitely .i always like australia team but due to wannabe fans attitude i started to hate them.

I know they are not real australia fans so I don't have any problem with Australian team

:kp
You hate an entire team cause one guy on a random forumn got under your skin? Brother grow up and don't take the online world that seriously.

You're a grown man, Uth jao.
 
T20s

Yes. The domination they show is equal to Aus in ODIs/tests in the 2000s. Aus themselves have never been a good T20 team. India won a T20 WC undefeated and have become even stronger barely even dropping T20s in bilaterals with a lot of main team members rested.

ODIs

They are the best team but more in line with 90s SA/Aus than 00s Aus as in really good but still can be beaten. Should improve more with time.

Tests

Right now, a mid table team. 2015-21 team was real good. Since then has been chugging along (Didn't lose series from 22-24 but was nowhere near dominant as in the earlier run and scraped a lot of matches) but now looks set for rebuild. Should reach 15-21 levels (or 07-11, another great Indian test side) in 2-3 years once current crop develop. To be as good as 00s Aussies though will require unearthing lots of crazy talent.

That 00 Aus team from a period from 04 to 05 (defeating India to losing Ashes) held every test trophy both home/away.
 
India's win over New Zealand in the Champions Trophy final now makes it 23 wins out of their last 24 matches at an ICC tournament, a run which spans the 2023 50-over World Cup, last year's T20 World Cup and the Champions Trophy. The sole loss came in the 2023 World Cup final, where they where ambushed by Travis Head ( credit to his innings). The innings from Head that secured an unlikely triumph for Australia in the 2023 final remains one of the greatest in World Cup history, and that's basically what it takes to beat India these days, at least in the two white ball formats of the game.

The Champions Trophy2025 and T20 2024 world cup... wins are the crowning achievement for a sustained period of excellence for India under Rohit's tenure as skipper. India's dominance in world cricket over the past two years, particularly in limited-overs formats, has been nothing short of remarkable. The Rohit Sharma-led side has played in all three major ICC tournament finals in this period, winning two of them and establishing themselves as the most formidable force in international cricket.
 
Australia went unbeaten from losing to Pakistan at Headingly in the 1999 world cup, to all the way to 2011 world cup quarter final exit . That was some run.
 
Australia went unbeaten from losing to Pakistan at Headingly in the 1999 world cup, to all the way to 2011 world cup quarter final exit . That was some run.
Not true. After 1999 world cup, Australia lost in CT 2000, 2004, WT20 2007, CT 2009 etc. You are only factoring in ODI world cup. Here Indian team under Rohit is 24-1 in last 3 ICC events (WC, T20 WC & CT).

We tend to hype past a lot.
 
India team under Rohit Sharma is sitting at below in last 3 ICC events -

WWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

So that is total 25 games, win 24 and one solitary loss. This kind of dominance in white ball cricket is rare to see.

How does this compare to the great Australian white ball team of early to mid 2000s?
That too without Bumarah in this tournament is definitely an achievement.
 
That Aussie team (99' WC till 07' WC), in my opinion, remains the greatest team of all time alongside the West Indies from the mid 70's till the late 80's. It's futile comparing any other team with them.​
 
It is difficult to compare across eras. There wasn't that many ICC trophies then and Australia dominated ODI world cup. Most fans put that a level ahead of T20 world cup and Championship Trophy.

Nevertheless Indian fans should be very proud of their team's achievements across formats for the last 8-9 so years overall. They have done remarkably well and stand out as the best team of the era.
 
Shreyas Iyer, KL Rahul and Shubman Gill have more ODI runs and better average than Travis Head in their career.
 
The greatest Australian team will defeat this Indian team 8-9/10 times. That was an amazing team.
 
Not true. After 1999 world cup, Australia lost in CT 2000, 2004, WT20 2007, CT 2009 etc. You are only factoring in ODI world cup. Here Indian team under Rohit is 24-1 in last 3 ICC events (WC, T20 WC & CT).

We tend to hype past a lot.
Australia had a solid team structure. We despite having a lot of good palyers infact better players we did not care for team structure. In 2003 world cup Australia batted till 10. Bichel/Hogg/Brett Lee all could bat. Apart from Mcgrath everyone could contribute. Infact Bichel purely with his batting won 2 matches in that world cup. Andrew symonds coul dbowl. Lehmann could bowl. Bevan could bowl. It gives you option. INdia largely played a one-dimensional unit which really prevented us from achieving more silverwares.
 
Shreyas Iyer, KL Rahul and Shubman Gill have more ODI runs and better average than Travis Head in their career.
I belive Jaiswal will also have it in 2 years of time.he has that hunger, patience to score double centuries for fun in odis as odi pitches are mostly flat .
 
The great Aus team would've won two ODI WCs now along with at least 2 World Test Championships. They would've put up 350 in ODI final and not a timid 240. In fact, forget the great Aus team, even the current Aus team has/will have similar numbers. ODI WC win, T20 WC Win, and possibly 2 World Test Championships.

Even the legendary SRL team can give the current IND team run for it's money. Those guys Sanga, Mahela, Dilshan, Vaas, Murali, Jayasuriya, et el were no joke.
 
The great Aus team would've won two ODI WCs now along with at least 2 World Test Championships. They would've put up 350 in ODI final and not a timid 240. In fact, forget the great Aus team, even the current Aus team has/will have similar numbers. ODI WC win, T20 WC Win, and possibly 2 World Test Championships.

Even the legendary SRL team can give the current IND team run for it's money. Those guys Sanga, Mahela, Dilshan, Vaas, Murali, Jayasuriya, et el were no joke.
The great Aus team got was struggling at 84/7 against NZ in 2003. Stop hyping. They would score 360 on a flat wicket. Not on turning wicket against mystery spinners. Back then there was no concept of mystery spinners. Most of the bowlers were predictable. Punter looked like a deer caught in headlights in every Indian test series even against ordinary spinners on relatively good batting surfaces.
 
The great Aus team would've won two ODI WCs now along with at least 2 World Test Championships. They would've put up 350 in ODI final and not a timid 240. In fact, forget the great Aus team, even the current Aus team has/will have similar numbers. ODI WC win, T20 WC Win, and possibly 2 World Test Championships.

Even the legendary SRL team can give the current IND team run for it's money. Those guys Sanga, Mahela, Dilshan, Vaas, Murali, Jayasuriya, et el were no joke.
Aus maybe yes.

SL no. That SL team would often get defeated by Indian teams much weaker than this.
 
I think India in ODI are right now more like 90s Aussies (Slater/Taylor/M. Waugh/Kaspro era) than 00s (Hayden/Gilchrist/Langer era).

India are primed to become 00s Australia but need a deeper bench and a variety of quality players in all positions.

Hardik + Axar would have won the 23 final but Hardik's injury derailed team composition a lot so need that deep bench which 00's Aussies had when good players were replaced easily.

Plus a lot of other little fixes - great fielding, bowlers who can bat a bit etc.

The T20 team though resembles the dominating Aus 00s team or WI of 70s/80s in the sense of how complete it is - deep bench, multiple players for each spot, a variety of multi-dimensional players (Tilak, Abhisek etc all can bowl a bit).

Like a 2nd Indian T20 XI will be one of the topmost teams which cannot be said for the ODI team.

This is an effect of the IPL generation finally coming through (as in kids who picked up cricket when IPL was a thing). Earlier India used to play guys like Rahane, DK, Ashwin etc in T20s (lol).
 
You hate an entire team cause one guy on a random forumn got under your skin? Brother grow up and don't take the online world that seriously.

You're a grown man, Uth jao.
@mominsaigol same with you ,You were a good poster and earlier used to appreciate only good cricket but later someone got under your skin and now you become one who hates everything about Indian cricket become narrow minded and tend to hype anything garbage like Australia never produce garbage cricketer etc and we all know that 2000’s aussie team is great but your hype always exaggerated just to satisfy your ego and make look indian players jokes though i know indian poster here also isn’t sane.
 
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I think India in ODI are right now more like 90s Aussies (Slater/Taylor/M. Waugh/Kaspro era) than 00s (Hayden/Gilchrist/Langer era).

India are primed to become 00s Australia but need a deeper bench and a variety of quality players in all positions.

Hardik + Axar would have won the 23 final but Hardik's injury derailed team composition a lot so need that deep bench which 00's Aussies had when good players were replaced easily.

Plus a lot of other little fixes - great fielding, bowlers who can bat a bit etc.

The T20 team though resembles the dominating Aus 00s team or WI of 70s/80s in the sense of how complete it is - deep bench, multiple players for each spot, a variety of multi-dimensional players (Tilak, Abhisek etc all can bowl a bit).

Like a 2nd Indian T20 XI will be one of the topmost teams which cannot be said for the ODI team.

This is an effect of the IPL generation finally coming through (as in kids who picked up cricket when IPL was a thing). Earlier India used to play guys like Rahane, DK, Ashwin etc in T20s (lol).
Only missing factor is depth in both department. For long we allowed one-dimensional players to hog the top order and we had long tail. It created indirect impact on top order. India had to get all the runs from 7 batsmen which is virtually impossible even for the greatest team. At some point you require the services of tail. That is why India under-achieved. Rohit/Kohli/Dhawan/Rahul (before keeping) could not bowl to save their lives. Jadeja batted one position above for more than 10 years.
 
Only missing factor is depth in both department. For long we allowed one-dimensional players to hog the top order and we had long tail. It created indirect impact on top order. India had to get all the runs from 7 batsmen which is virtually impossible even for the greatest team. At some point you require the services of tail. That is why India under-achieved. Rohit/Kohli/Dhawan/Rahul (before keeping) could not bowl to save their lives. Jadeja batted one position above for more than 10 years.
Yeah. Arshdeep/Rana seem to be the bowlers for the next few years and who will take over the mantle post Bumr. They are ok batsmen. Hope they become a bit better.

Similarly Abhishek, Tilak etc bowl a bit.

Just having options for a variety of conditions is crazy.

Cause then your batting can kind of extend till 9. And you will have extra spinners etc.

Also need backup. 3-4 good pace allrounders. 3-4 good spin allrounders. A few swing bowlers, a few tall htd bowlers, a few pp bowlers, a few death bowlers etc etc so you can mix and match for a variety of conditions etc.
 
Yeah. Arshdeep/Rana seem to be the bowlers for the next few years and who will take over the mantle post Bumr. They are ok batsmen. Hope they become a bit better.

Similarly Abhishek, Tilak etc bowl a bit.

Just having options for a variety of conditions is crazy.

Cause then your batting can kind of extend till 9. And you will have extra spinners etc.

Also need backup. 3-4 good pace allrounders. 3-4 good spin allrounders. A few swing bowlers, a few tall htd bowlers, a few pp bowlers, a few death bowlers etc etc so you can mix and match for a variety of conditions etc.
They need to force these players to get better in other areas. One cannot suck in both fielding and batting.
 
They need to force these players to get better in other areas. One cannot suck in both fielding and batting.
Yup. Need to improve structures/system etc so that like NZ/Aus it is fully optimized.

India is winning cause of raw talent but the other parameters (fitness/fielding etc) can surely be better. Ofc they have become a lot better compared to what they were before but still not at the level they can be.

So basically:

1. More multi dimensional players
2. Deep bench
3. Optimize the controllables (fitness/fielding etc)

If India had actually fielded well, both the Pak game and the final would be 200 target matches.
 
INdia is still number 2 in the dominance factor. Australia winning 3 world cups in a row is the greatest dominance ever so far. India has been great but not as great as that Australia side.
 
What has contributed to India's success in recent times? Ok, they were always a top team, however growing up as a kid when I barely knew much about Cricket, I watched them get dominated by new comer Sri Lanka in 1996 WC. Fast forward few years later, I watched them get dominated by Shahid Afridi and Pakistani fast bowlers. Then in 2007, completely noob BD team thrashed them in virtually a WC knockout.

Their biggest change and dominance started to happen with Virat Kohli from 2011 on wards. However, their fast bowling was also very very weak. I remember Ashok Dinda, Praveen Kumar, and RP Singh were their front line bowlers(no disrespect to them). They were always a very strong batting unit, and this was their only weakness. However, they have started to improve their fast bowling stock massively with Bumrah, Siraj, Shami, etc. Still, they do not have natural fast bowling talents as Pakistan + SENA countries possibly due their diet.

I think their think tank and board is definitely best in business in terms of planning and efficency. Although, I hate how they use thier power to influce ICC and other boards to get whatever they want.

As of now, I think only Aus can challenge them in any ICC events. However, Aus only takes ODI WC seriously and World Test Championship.
 
What are you talking man? INdia decimated every single team in 2003 world cup except Australia.They reached the final remember? India and Srilanka share Champions Trophy final in 2002.2007 was an anamoly. Greg chappell suddenly asked Sachin to bat at.4 and India lost their chemistry altogehter. Massive complacency. MSD and Yuvraj dominated pakistan in pakistan in 2006 tour. India beat Pakistan 4-1 in that series. They were not mediocre. Their bowling was weak. Only for a brief period of 2000 India lost to Srilanka. Otherwise record is 18-6 for India against Srilanka. Only 3 teams that had higher W/L percentage were Australia/SA/NZ. Others equal or less.
 
The real reason?

It's the same reason for Bangladesh's relative rise and Pakistan's decline. The economy.

Country gets rich -> board has more money -> money goes into infrastructure -> better talent.

India always had a huge cricket crazy population. It was just too poor.

Now that India is getting richer, they are becoming better.

India didn't always have a strong batting unit. 2000s India is when the Indian batting actually became strong. And 2010s the bowling has become better too.

In the next 10 years only Aus/Eng which are first world countries can challenge India as they compensate for smaller population with great sporting structure. But by the end of that period, India will become rich enough that they'll peel away from them too.

Asian countries against India - no chance.
 
There are many factors at play here. Firstly, to reach their current status, there must have been significant hard work involved. One cannot simply become the richest cricket board overnight. They possess the best facilities, academies, and coaches, in my opinion. They offer competitive salaries to their cricketers, which also motivates young talent to strive even harder.

Regarding the cricketers themselves, they work extremely hard, are dedicated, and maintain the right attitude. Even after achieving fame, they continue to put in the effort and remain professional.

Other South Asian cricketers can learn a lot from them. Unfortunately, once a Pakistani player gains some fame, he often starts believing he is untouchable and then coasts through the rest of his career based on his reputation, seemingly without any further hard work.
 
What has contributed to India's success in recent times? Ok, they were always a top team, however growing up as a kid when I barely knew much about Cricket, I watched them get dominated by new comer Sri Lanka in 1996 WC. Fast forward few years later, I watched them get dominated by Shahid Afridi and Pakistani fast bowlers. Then in 2007, completely noob BD team thrashed them in virtually a WC knockout.

Their biggest change and dominance started to happen with Virat Kohli from 2011 on wards. However, their fast bowling was also very very weak. I remember Ashok Dinda, Praveen Kumar, and RP Singh were their front line bowlers(no disrespect to them). They were always a very strong batting unit, and this was their only weakness. However, they have started to improve their fast bowling stock massively with Bumrah, Siraj, Shami, etc. Still, they do not have natural fast bowling talents as Pakistan + SENA countries possibly due their diet.

I think their think tank and board is definitely best in business in terms of planning and efficency. Although, I hate how they use thier power to influce ICC and other boards to get whatever they want.

As of now, I think only Aus can challenge them in any ICC events. However, Aus only takes ODI WC seriously and World Test Championship.

Some reasons I can think of:

1) They ripped other boards off for 10-15 years. Other boards were too shortsighted and politically correct to do anything about it.

2) Ever since the inception of IPL, India didn't allow their players to play in other leagues but allowed foreign players to play in their league. It gave them an unfair advantage over other leagues and they made a fortune from this.

3) They managed to covertly take over ICC. ICC is now effectively BCCICC. BCCI has more power than ICC which is very problematic.

4) They have a ridiculously large population (over 1 billion) with a reasonably large landmass. So, they have more options than all other established cricket nations.

:inti:inti
 
One of the biggest revolution started in the mid 2000s was chasing revolution. Natwest trophy was orchestrated by Kaif and Yuvraj. Back then chasing a total was considered an achievement. In Dhaka first ever 300 chase was achieved by Ganguly/Robin singh against Pakistan. Those were rare events. After MSD entered everything changed. India started becoming a highly potent chasing team. Him and Yuvraj. Later Raina joined them. Kohli perfected the art of chasing.
 
There is no comparison between ATG Australia and current India.

ATG Australia faced far bigger competitions. There were 8-9 good teams when ATG Australia were playing.

Current India only faces competition from 3-4 good teams and even those 3-4 teams are in transition phases.

:inti
 
Australia of late 90s and early 2000s had a different aura. They were a beast side.

We are still behind.

:kp
We may lag behind in terms of individual player's brilliance as very few people can be compared with the likes of McGrath, Warne, Ponting, Hayden etc.

But as a team and results we are at par with them. We have chocked in finals a few times but we seem to have overcome that hurdle recently. Anyways you don't reach KO stage by playing poorly.
 
There is no comparison between ATG Australia and current India.

ATG Australia faced far bigger competitions. There were 8-9 good teams when ATG Australia were playing.

Current India only faces competition from 3-4 good teams and even those 3-4 teams are in transition phases.

:inti
Another lie. Australia had to compete with SA, England and to some extent India.

NZ, Pak, WI, SL etc were poor in white ball.

Infact i shouldn't include Eng too. They were terrible in 2000s in LOIs.
 
We may lag behind in terms of individual player's brilliance as very few people can be compared with the likes of McGrath, Warne, Ponting, Hayden etc.

But as a team and results we are at par with them. We have chocked in finals a few times but we seem to have overcome that hurdle recently. Anyways you don't reach KO stage by playing poorly.
We dominated much like Australia. But India had less depth than Australia batting depth. Also ther fielding was far better than ours. India dropped a catch very first ball of 2023 final. In terms of potency Indian bowling unit was extremely good. Batsmen occasionally caught cold feet in crunch games either due to rain or toss. Bottomline is India's last 4 batsmen were always tailenders. It really was the major contributory factor for not realizing full potential.
 
Difficult to compare across eras.

That Australian team was too strong for that era. Windies had declined by '99, Pakistan had too many chokers like Inzi, Shoaib and Waqar playing , South Africa had too many accumulators like Kallis and Kirsten , India had an utterly mediocre bowling attack and England were just rubbish all around for the most part
 
Another lie. Australia had to compete with SA, England and to some extent India.

NZ, Pak, WI, SL etc were poor in white ball.

Infact i shouldn't include Eng too. They were terrible in 2000s in LOIs.
2003 India finalist steamrolling every team except Aussies
2007 SA was a good team. But they were chokers. Semi final choke was one of the worst choke. 27/5 in no time

England was uber rubbish team in the 2000s so was NZ. But they did okay in ICC tournaments. But no match for Australia.
 
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We may lag behind in terms of individual player's brilliance as very few people can be compared with the likes of McGrath, Warne, Ponting, Hayden etc.

But as a team and results we are at par with them. We have chocked in finals a few times but we seem to have overcome that hurdle recently. Anyways you don't reach KO stage by playing poorly.
I think we are late 90s Aus, just ready to go to the next level.

McGrath, Warne, Ponting etc were all in the team from the mid 90s (McWarne from earlier) but Gilchrist, Lee, Hayden etc pushed them to the next level in the late 90s.

I think we need another good pace bowling allrounder and a good pacer who can bat a bit (Cummins/Starc level) to go to the next level.

Batting is good. Jaiswal/Pant are able replacements of Ro/Ko. Sundar can take the Jadeja spot. Sundar is an economical bowler but lacks power hitting. If improves, can very much become an off spinning Axar.

NKR if develops can take that spot in SENA.

Plus Rana/Arshdeep can replace Shami. Both have some batting ability.Hopefully they upskill well.

Main thing is to maximize the next five years while Bumrah is there cause I don't think we'll ever get someone like Bumrah again. We will have good pacers, even great ones but Bumrah is a freak.
 
I think we are late 90s Aus, just ready to go to the next level.

McGrath, Warne, Ponting etc were all in the team from the mid 90s (McWarne from earlier) but Gilchrist, Lee, Hayden etc pushed them to the next level in the late 90s.

I think we need another good pace bowling allrounder and a good pacer who can bat a bit (Cummins/Starc level) to go to the next level.

Batting is good. Jaiswal/Pant are able replacements of Ro/Ko. Sundar can take the Jadeja spot. Sundar is an economical bowler but lacks power hitting. If improves, can very much become an off spinning Axar.

NKR if develops can take that spot in SENA.

Plus Rana/Arshdeep can replace Shami. Both have some batting ability.Hopefully they upskill well.

Main thing is to maximize the next five years while Bumrah is there cause I don't think we'll ever get someone like Bumrah again. We will have good pacers, even great ones but Bumrah is a freak.
Adam Gilchrist was a pivotal component. Aggressive opener. IF you look at the world cups since 1996 aggressive openers played a part.

1996 - Jayasuriya
2000,2003, 2007 - Gilchrist
2011 - Sehwag
2015 - Warner
2019 - Roy/Bairstow
2023 - Travis Head

India also had aggressive opener. But other intangibles let India down. Aggressive openers shock the opposition immediately And it puts them on the backfoot.
 
Another lie. Australia had to compete with SA, England and to some extent India.

NZ, Pak, WI, SL etc were poor in white ball.

Infact i shouldn't include Eng too. They were terrible in 2000s in LOIs.
England was a poor LOI side.
 
Australia were crushing everyone in ODIs and tests home and away from 1999 to 2007. You just have to ask yourself would you swap everything you won with Kohli and Sharma in the last 1 year with that 1999-2007 period of Australia winning everything would you take it or not? I bet every damn Bharatiya would take it without even thinking. i remember it came to a point i started taking pride in losing less badly to the Aussies compared to other teams. We all thought what winning would be like. I remember the 2007 season when the Australians had a dip in form when they lost the tri series at home against NZ, England and later they lost a freak series in NZ where McCullum played like a maniac to chase down 300+ totals and we all thought for a chance we would see a new winner in the upcoming 2007 CWC. Came the CWC time and Aussies went unbeaten 11-0 to lift their 3rd consecutive CWC. It was crazy.


I am proud of what our team has achieved in the last 3 ICC tournaments which all came within a year and few months. But that’s 14 months of dominance and playing 2/3 tournaments in favourable home conditioned. As good as it is, it doesn’t come anywhere close to what the Australians achieved.

16 consecutive test wins not once but twice. Beating everyone at their home. They are the reason many legendary cricketers do not have any ICC trophy to show because Aussies didn’t drop any.
 
Australia were crushing everyone in ODIs and tests home and away from 1999 to 2007. You just have to ask yourself would you swap everything you won with Kohli and Sharma in the last 1 year with that 1999-2007 period of Australia winning everything would you take it or not? I bet every damn Bharatiya would take it without even thinking. i remember it came to a point i started taking pride in losing less badly to the Aussies compared to other teams. We all thought what winning would be like. I remember the 2007 season when the Australians had a dip in form when they lost the tri series at home against NZ, England and later they lost a freak series in NZ where McCullum played like a maniac to chase down 300+ totals and we all thought for a chance we would see a new winner in the upcoming 2007 CWC. Came the CWC time and Aussies went unbeaten 11-0 to lift their 3rd consecutive CWC. It was crazy.


I am proud of what our team has achieved in the last 3 ICC tournaments which all came within a year and few months. But that’s 14 months of dominance and playing 2/3 tournaments in favourable home conditioned. As good as it is, it doesn’t come anywhere close to what the Australians achieved.

16 consecutive test wins not once but twice. Beating everyone at their home. They are the reason many legendary cricketers do not have any ICC trophy to show because Aussies didn’t drop any.
Great pace attack is what sets you apart

You need a great pace attack to dominate in all formats

We had the goat Asian pace attack and the best overall pace attack between 2015 to 2022

Now rebuilding again with young guns
 
Win three ODI Cricket World Cup in-a-row first then compare with the mighty Australian domination of 1999-2003
Even the Australian team didn't win two ICC tournaments in a row in that period. They didn't win the Champions Trophy until its 5th edition in 2006.
 
Great pace attack is what sets you apart

You need a great pace attack to dominate in all formats

We had the goat Asian pace attack and the best overall pace attack between 2015 to 2022

Now rebuilding again with young guns

They had everything covered, had ATG players at most positions, and most importantly they delivered when it mattered. It was a deadly combination of talent, character and execution. Same with the Windies back in the day although they dropped the 1983 trophy very casually. Aussies wouldn’t have dropped that.
 
They had everything covered, had ATG players at most positions, and most importantly they delivered when it mattered. It was a deadly combination of talent, character and execution. Same with the Windies back in the day although they dropped the 1983 trophy very casually. Aussies wouldn’t have dropped that.
Like 23, the weaker team got help with the conditions in 83.

Swinging conditions meant Indian medium pacers had a lot of help.

If it was any other conditions India would have lost badly.
 
Like 23, the weaker team got help with the conditions in 83.

Swinging conditions meant Indian medium pacers had a lot of help.

If it was any other conditions India would have lost badly.

West Indies should have still won regardless of conditions. It was arguably the biggest mismatch in the history of sports for a tournament final. A lot of people don’t realize it was the greatest heist ever.
 
They had everything covered, had ATG players at most positions, and most importantly they delivered when it mattered. It was a deadly combination of talent, character and execution. Same with the Windies back in the day although they dropped the 1983 trophy very casually. Aussies wouldn’t have dropped that.
Agreed

If kohlis India had 2 more great batsmen then they could have been up there with Aus goat team
 
Agreed

If kohlis India had 2 more great batsmen then they could have been up there with Aus goat team

I think our 2023 CWC team with Bumrah and Shami operating at peak is up there among the greatest ODI XIs ever. In the end the difference between us and Aussies is more than just man to man but about our approach towards the game. We had a better all round team in CWC 2023 than their team. It’s just tough when Aussies turn up for these big games all locked in and ready to go to war. I don’t know from where they get this. Come the big matches and they always seem to have that nitro switch. Some of their tournament match winners haven’t had great overall careers even.
 
Not true. After 1999 world cup, Australia lost in CT 2000, 2004, WT20 2007, CT 2009 etc. You are only factoring in ODI world cup. Here Indian team under Rohit is 24-1 in last 3 ICC events (WC, T20 WC & CT).

We tend to hype past a lot.

The 50 over world cup is what I meant. Unbeaten from Headingly 99 world cup to 2011 world cup. That is a extraordinary achievement
 
I think our 2023 CWC team with Bumrah and Shami operating at peak is up there among the greatest ODI XIs ever. In the end the difference between us and Aussies is more than just man to man but about our approach towards the game. We had a better all round team in CWC 2023 than their team. It’s just tough when Aussies turn up for these big games all locked in and ready to go to war. I don’t know from where they get this. Come the big matches and they always seem to have that nitro switch. Some of their tournament match winners haven’t had great overall careers even.
Pressure
India have to deal with the pressure of 1.6 billion people
Aussies have zero pressure from their fans or even media

So that’s the difference


If aus had to deal with the same level of pressure India has to put with, they wouldn’t be as dominant
 
Fast forward few years later, I watched them get dominated by Shahid Afridi and Pakistani fast bowlers.
Think you are confusing India with Shahid Afridi making Bangladeshi fan girls cry. Against India, he avgs 23 with bat and 46 with ball. L.Balaji had better stats against Pakistan than what Lala had against India

:afridi
 
The great Australian team of the 2000s

Their key ability was strong batting - pointing , Hayden , Symmonds , gilchrist , bevan were the pillars . U had langer and others too .

Shane warne , pup and mcgrath , gillespie etc as a very good bowling line up .

They faced mostly weak teams in that era . Pakistan in the 90s was India in the 2000s coupled with the South Africans were their main opponents but none as strong or consistent as the Aussies then

The current indian team is based upon all time great bowlers - bumrah , chinaman and a bunch of supporting Cast including pandya the the greatest white ball all rounder from Asia in last 20 years . The batting of this indian team is very strong and the bench strength is even stronger .

Compared to the Aussies -
Bowling - indian team is definitely stronger
Batting - both sides were equal .
Fielding -Aussies were slightly better
Alll rounders - India has big edge here
Captaincy - Rohit and pointing are both fearless captains leading upfront
Reserves - indian bench strength is super strong

Given stronger all weather bowling attack ( Australia lost to Sri Lanka in Asia World Cup ) , better all rounders and better reserves , this indian team is better than any I have seen in white ball cricket .


I don’t think the great West Indian team was also as good .
 
Like 23, the weaker team got help with the conditions in 83.

Swinging conditions meant Indian medium pacers had a lot of help.

If it was any other conditions India would have lost badly.
We have to remember that was not an isolated win for India. India had won 2 out of previous 3 games against West indies. India beat West Indies already once in the world cup before final.



In the preliminary round India met West Indies twice. Beat once. They were down and out. Roberts and Garner added 71 runs for 10th wicket and still lost. Ravi shastri took the 10th wicket .
 
The great Australian team of the 2000s

Their key ability was strong batting - pointing , Hayden , Symmonds , gilchrist , bevan were the pillars . U had langer and others too .

Shane warne , pup and mcgrath , gillespie etc as a very good bowling line up .

They faced mostly weak teams in that era . Pakistan in the 90s was India in the 2000s coupled with the South Africans were their main opponents but none as strong or consistent as the Aussies then

The current indian team is based upon all time great bowlers - bumrah , chinaman and a bunch of supporting Cast including pandya the the greatest white ball all rounder from Asia in last 20 years . The batting of this indian team is very strong and the bench strength is even stronger .

Compared to the Aussies -
Bowling - indian team is definitely stronger
Batting - both sides were equal .
Fielding -Aussies were slightly better
Alll rounders - India has big edge here
Captaincy - Rohit and pointing are both fearless captains leading upfront
Reserves - indian bench strength is super strong

Given stronger all weather bowling attack ( Australia lost to Sri Lanka in Asia World Cup ) , better all rounders and better reserves , this indian team is better than any I have seen in white ball cricket .


I don’t think the great West Indian team was also as good .
I think they are probably the greatest team in the history of team sports.
 
We have to remember that was not an isolated win for India. India had won 2 out of previous 3 games against West indies. India beat West Indies already once in the world cup before final.



In the preliminary round India met West Indies twice. Beat once. They were down and out. Roberts and Garner added 71 runs for 10th wicket and still lost. Ravi shastri took the 10th wicket .
Yeah, that's true as well.
 
It's an incredible run, but with some asterisks.

Firstly, I think T20Is and ODIs should not be combined if you are comparing this team with the Australian side of 2000s. That makes absolutely no sense.

Secondly, Australia played two World Cups (3 if you begin counting from 1999) in three completely different conditions and won every single match. They were challenged at best a couple of times between 2003 and 2007 by NZ and England; both in the same World Cup. And the NZ defeat actually ended up being a comprehensive win for Australia by the time the match was over.

The most striking thing about that Australian side was how invincible they felt. Going in you genuinely felt like you had no chance against them, no matter who you were. Australia played to win the World Cup. The rest of the teams just played to see who would finish second.

India had arguably the most dominant run that any team has ever had in a single World Cup campaign in 2023, but that run doesn't mean anything because they lost in the final. If you want to look at them collectively, both that tournament and the CT were played in conditions that played to India's strengths. Australia had nothing like a one venue advantage.

Plus, that Australian side was simply one of the greatest sides this game has ever seen. India have been on a fantastic run but I don't think there is any real comparison here.
 
It's an incredible run, but with some asterisks.

Firstly, I think T20Is and ODIs should not be combined if you are comparing this team with the Australian side of 2000s. That makes absolutely no sense.

Secondly, Australia played two World Cups (3 if you begin counting from 1999) in three completely different conditions and won every single match. They were challenged at best a couple of times between 2003 and 2007 by NZ and England; both in the same World Cup. And the NZ defeat actually ended up being a comprehensive win for Australia by the time the match was over.

The most striking thing about that Australian side was how invincible they felt. Going in you genuinely felt like you had no chance against them, no matter who you were. Australia played to win the World Cup. The rest of the teams just played to see who would finish second.

India had arguably the most dominant run that any team has ever had in a single World Cup campaign in 2023, but that run doesn't mean anything because they lost in the final. If you want to look at them collectively, both that tournament and the CT were played in conditions that played to India's strengths. Australia had nothing like a one venue advantage.

Plus, that Australian side was simply one of the greatest sides this game has ever seen. India have been on a fantastic run but I don't think there is any real comparison here.
India are good now but still a few more pacers, pace allrounders away from that kind of a run.

More like 90s Aussies/SA right now in ODI cricket.

T20 cricket they are as dominant as the 00 Aussies though.
 
Australia would make beef kebab no raita out of this Indian team 10/10 times, without needing special venues in tournaments where they’re not hosts nor having to hold ICC hostage.

Virat may score a 100 but the rest would be getting cooked.
 
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