How do you compare present Indian team's dominance with great Australian side?

[saimayubera]

Australia would make beef kebab no raita out of this Indian team 10/10 times, without needing special venues in tournaments where they’re not hosts nor having to hold ICC hostage.

Virat may score a 100 but the rest would be getting cooked.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

India are good now but still a few more pacers, pace allrounders away from that kind of a run.

More like 90s Aussies/SA right now in ODI cricket.

T20 cricket they are as dominant as the 00 Aussies though.

Current Indian T20 team is definitely on the cutting-edge of T20 cricket. Statistically speaking their success in T20s post-2024 WC is fairly unprecedented. I'm talking matches won, margins of victory, strike-rates, 250+ totals...I would be genuinely shocked if India don't win the 2026 T20 WC.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

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I'm fairly certain both teams will meet in South Africa in 2027.

 

[saimayubera]

Current Indian T20 team is definitely on the cutting-edge of T20 cricket. Statistically speaking their success in T20s post-2024 WC is fairly unprecedented. I'm talking matches won, margins of victory, strike-rates, 250+ totals...I would be genuinely shocked if India don't win the 2026 T20 WC.

That too without Bumrah

 

[saimayubera]

I'm fairly certain both teams will meet in South Africa in 2027.

Yeah, semi finalists will prolly be four of Ind, Aus, Eng, SA, NZ (like it has been since 2015).

 

[Devadwal]

Australia would make beef kebab no raita out of this Indian team 10/10 times, without needing special venues in tournaments where they’re not hosts nor having to hold ICC hostage.

Virat may score a 100 but the rest would be getting cooked

Same things you and pakistan fans like @Rana said on March just before the 1st semi-final but Pakistan fan's never learnt from history .

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Yeah, semi finalists will prolly be four of Ind, Aus, Eng, SA, NZ (like it has been since 2015).

Afghanistan should be in the mix too. They were semi-finalists at the last T20 WC.

 

[saimayubera]

Afghanistan should be in the mix too. They were semi-finalists at the last T20 WC.

I meant 27 ODI WC.

26 T20 WC Afg can make it.

 

[uppercut]

What has contributed to India's success in recent times? Ok, they were always a top team, however growing up as a kid when I barely knew much about Cricket, I watched them get dominated by new comer Sri Lanka in 1996 WC. Fast forward few years later, I watched them get dominated by Shahid Afridi and Pakistani fast bowlers. Then in 2007, completely noob BD team thrashed them in virtually a WC knockout.
.

You might want to get tested for memory issues because in that exact same 1996 WC we beat the crap out of Pakistan in such a brutal manner that Sohail and Waqar in particular will never hear the end of it even many decades later making Venky Prasad and Ajay Jadeja National heroes( something that they still milk of off even today lol ). Fun fact: Every subsequent Indian team has since compounded that misery for Pakistan with one demoralizing loss after another with us being the single largest evictor of Pak team from ICC events.

Next ... there was a Certain "Jeet Lo dill" series in 2003 where a certain Sehwag man handled Pak bowling attack that resulted in 2 Innings defeat. Bonus: Saqlain earning a well deserved "double hundred" and promptly quit cricket.

I could go on and on but you get the gist.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I meant 27 ODI WC.

26 T20 WC Afg can make it.

2027 is too far to make any predictions right now. But India and Australia will most likely be in the semi-finals.

 

[Justcrazy]

Australia three consecutive OD WC wins will not be emulated again. No matter what guns other countries or teams bring. That team will remain the best .

 

[jnaveen1980]

I think league cricket has increased the familiarity of players these days unlike the 2000s. You know how Ashwin bowls, you know how Jadeja bowls because you play them in the IPL league. There is nothing mystery anymore. Players are overexposed these days. It is much harder to be invincible in this era for any team. Credit to India to pull off such an incredible run. Why are we focusing only on last 3 ICC tournaments. They did well in 2011/2015/2019 world cups as well. T20 is where they were not consistent. But that is the nature of the beast. Shivam Dube's weakness was identified in IPL. At the international level they are trying to exploit that.

 

[Suleiman]

Same things you and pakistan fans like @Rana said on March just before the 1st semi-final but Pakistan fan's never learnt from history .

Bakwas batein kara lo inse

Thread is about India and Australia. How are you getting triggered despite winning the tournament about Pakistan.

Old habits die hard.

 

[Devadwal]

Thread is about India and Australia. How are you getting triggered despite winning the tournament about Pakistan.

Old habits die hard.

India defeated australia in Semifinal on 4th March to enter in the final . Genius itna to pta hoga

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Naah. Durant-era Warriors. Pele's Brazil.

India is better than both. Pele was a statspadder ( football equivalent) compared to this India side. Pele didn't win two FIFA trophies in 9 months like how India has won two ICC trophies.

 

[Suleiman]

India defeated australia in Semifinal on 4th March to enter in the final . Genius itna to pta hoga

You mentioned Pakistan fans in your post. Did you lose your memory out of jubilation of the win the other day?

 

[saimayubera]

India is better than both. Pele was a statspadder ( football equivalent) compared to this India side. Pele didn't win two FIFA trophies in 9 months like how India has won two ICC trophies.

While I do love trolling, the competition in cricket is **** tier no offense.

Few first world countries where cricket is not even the main sport. A bunch of really poor countries where it is the main sport.

As India become richer, obviously the trophies will flow. It is no wonder that Australia has had the success it has. There is literally no competition. The English got their house in order after 2015 and won a couple.

None of USA, China, Russia, Germany, France etc play cricket.

Pele defeated multiple European first world countries where football is the main sport when Brazil was a third world country.

 

[Devadwal]

You mentioned Pakistan fans in your post. Did you lose your memory out of jubilation of the win the other day?

Yes because pakistan fans said australia will against india in the semi-final but what happened we all know that.

Badam khaya karo memory increase hogi

 

[Suleiman]

Yes because pakistan fans said australia will against india in the semi-final but what happened we all know that.

Badam khaya karo memory increase hogi

Reading comprehension skills seem to be getting to you, maybe stick to one language at a time.

You bought in Pakistan by mentioning Pakistani fans when the thread is about Aus and India.

Pakistan say itni mohobbat? Awww

 

[Mr.Q]

Not there yet in terms of team strength imo.

Australia had a more reliable opening pair. Rohit Sharma fails more often than he succeeds. His batting sometimes looks suicidal. Could be the poor fitness. And Shubman Gill is not as consistent as let’s say a Hayden. Or at least he doesn’t inspire the same level of confidence. It’s fine for T20s but not for ODIs.

India also needs to decide on a good opening pacer to support Bumrah.

If both these issues are addressed, India will possibly dominate and achieve more than the great Australian team did, particularly with ICC tourneys happening every fortnight these days.

 

[kron]

It's an incredible run, but with some asterisks.

Firstly, I think T20Is and ODIs should not be combined if you are comparing this team with the Australian side of 2000s. That makes absolutely no sense.

Secondly, Australia played two World Cups (3 if you begin counting from 1999) in three completely different conditions and won every single match. They were challenged at best a couple of times between 2003 and 2007 by NZ and England; both in the same World Cup. And the NZ defeat actually ended up being a comprehensive win for Australia by the time the match was over.

The most striking thing about that Australian side was how invincible they felt. Going in you genuinely felt like you had no chance against them, no matter who you were. Australia played to win the World Cup. The rest of the teams just played to see who would finish second.

India had arguably the most dominant run that any team has ever had in a single World Cup campaign in 2023, but that run doesn't mean anything because they lost in the final. If you want to look at them collectively, both that tournament and the CT were played in conditions that played to India's strengths. Australia had nothing like a one venue advantage.

Plus, that Australian side was simply one of the greatest sides this game has ever seen. India have been on a fantastic run but I don't think there is any real comparison here.

As good as Aus were I do feel however, that Australia were probably the only fit team along with kiwis and saffers. Physical fitness wise. It wasn’t taken seriously back then when they dominated by sub continent teams. Infact some even struggle with it now.

West Indies were generally fit but too casual. Lacked the fighting spirit, mental toughness like they had back in 80s till mid 90s

Fitness culture was almost non existent outside SEN countries. Not even englas as many players used to munch on pies during cricket games

Everything changed post 2011 ish.

I do feel Aus benefitted from a weaker era

Having said that they dominated every team so they are the goat team

 

[kron]

Australia would make beef kebab no raita out of this Indian team 10/10 times, without needing special venues in tournaments where they’re not hosts nor having to hold ICC hostage.

Virat may score a 100 but the rest would be getting cooked.

McGrath

That man is the difference maker

He stands between everyone

Without him they are very very beatable

 

[docteurmanish]

The only teams that can be compared with Australian team of 2000s are the West Indies sides of the 70s and 80s.

The West Indies team of 80s in odi cricket is overrated imo . They didn’t have quality allrounders or wrist spinners .

Aussie team was very good as they had amazing batsmen , great Warne and gillespie .

In many ways , India has equally good batsmen , good wk keeper bat and the greatest left arm chinaman game has ever seen. Now add bumrah - it’s the greatest white ball team I have seen in 35 years.

 

[saimayubera]

The West Indies team of 80s in odi cricket is overrated imo . They didn’t have quality allrounders or wrist spinners .

Aussie team was very good as they had amazing batsmen , great Warne and gillespie .

In many ways , India has equally good batsmen , good wk keeper bat and the greatest left arm chinaman game has ever seen. Now add bumrah - it’s the greatest white ball team I have seen in 35 years.

Yup. Didn't win any of the WCs and also lost in the WCC.

Great bowling attack but not deep enough batting. Tbf, ODI cricket really wasn't developed then.

 

[Ab Fan]

India are a GOAT Asian cricket nation but unfortunately Australia are still the powerhouse of international cricket. India hold second spot and respects the achievements of the powerhouse nation, which Australia is.

England, New Zealand and South Africa form the top 5 and they must respect the top 2, Australia and India, who are well ahead of them.

Pakistan are sitting down on the rope with nothing much to show up and should bow down to not only Australia and India but also to England, South Africa and New Zealand. They are perennial losers, who once upon a time was led by Imran Khan, a man who is statistically the greatest test cricketer since 1970.

 

[saimayubera]

India are a GOAT Asian cricket nation but unfortunately Australia are still the powerhouse of international cricket. India hold second spot and respects the achievements of the powerhouse nation, which Australia is.

England, New Zealand and South Africa form the top 5 and they must respect the top 2, Australia and India, who are well ahead of them.

Pakistan are sitting down on the rope with nothing much to show up and should bow down to not only Australia and India but also to England, South Africa and New Zealand. They are perennial losers, who once upon a time was led by Imran Khan, a man who is statistically the greatest test cricketer since 1970.

Pakistan is on the level of Sri Lanka.

 

[docteurmanish]

India are a GOAT Asian cricket nation but unfortunately Australia are still the powerhouse of international cricket. India hold second spot and respects the achievements of the powerhouse nation, which Australia is.

England, New Zealand and South Africa form the top 5 and they must respect the top 2, Australia and India, who are well ahead of them.

Pakistan are sitting down on the rope with nothing much to show up and should bow down to not only Australia and India but also to England, South Africa and New Zealand. They are perennial losers, who once upon a time was led by Imran Khan, a man who is statistically the greatest test cricketer since 1970.

Australia advantage has been fast bowlers who are tall hit the deck kind

As India grows richer , u will see more and more faster bowlers who are tall. Batting and fielding wise now India is at par esp with increased fitness levels.

Current odi team of India is superior to the Aussie team of the 2000s . Man for man , India edges out due to bumrah and Pandya . Peak Aussie did not have an all rounder like bumrah or a bowler like bumrah . Rest all are evenly matched .

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Australia advantage has been fast bowlers who are tall hit the deck kind

As India grows richer , u will see more and more faster bowlers who are tall. Batting and fielding wise now India is at par esp with increased fitness levels.

Current odi team of India is superior to the Aussie team of the 2000s . Man for man , India edges out due to bumrah and Pandya . Peak Aussie did not have an all rounder like bumrah or a bowler like bumrah . Rest all are evenly matched .

How tall do you think Indians can grow in height in line with the growing economy?

 

[jnaveen1980]

If India maintains this dominance for another 10 yeasr then they should be called the GOAT LOI team. Now that we have an additional format to they have to be good at

India no.1 ICC Ranked ODI side for 17 months
India no.1 ICC ranked T20 side for 3 years.

Modern day great LOI team.

 

[mominsaigol]

Pakistan is on the level of Sri Lanka.

Sri lanka pummels Pakistan into next week in odi if fakhar and saim aren't present.

They faced Pakistan in tests and odi at a time where their rubbish players like Abdullah, Rizwan and Saud were undergoing a bit of a purple patch and sri lanka was slightly inexperienced themsleves bowling wise.

While sri lanka are rubbish, atm they'd whoop Pakistan excluding fakhar/saim wonders.

 

[mominsaigol]

If India maintains this dominance for another 10 yeasr then they should be called the GOAT LOI team. Now that we have an additional format to they have to be good at

India no.1 ICC Ranked ODI side for 17 months
India no.1 ICC ranked T20 side for 3 years.

Modern day great LOI team.

If you want them to be a goat side, you have to be better then that team and produce a team that's actually better then them on paper.

Atm both atg wi and aus are ahead.

Tbf India is no 3 of all time though. They can reach no 2 but no 1 is tricky primarily due to gilly, hayden, martyn, Mcgrath, Warne and ponting

 

[BDfanforever]

Current Indian T20 team is definitely on the cutting-edge of T20 cricket. Statistically speaking their success in T20s post-2024 WC is fairly unprecedented. I'm talking matches won, margins of victory, strike-rates, 250+ totals...I would be genuinely shocked if India don't win the 2026 T20 WC.

Yes, the current Indian T20 team does look pretty scary with all the Sharmas and Varmas. However, it remains to be seen if they can replicate when the going gets tough i.e. pressure game in a tournament.

 

[BDfanforever]

Current odi team of India is superior to the Aussie team of the 2000s . Man for man , India edges out due to bumrah and Pandya . Peak Aussie did not have an all rounder like bumrah or a bowler like bumrah . Rest all are evenly matched .

Yep, Bumrah is the greatest all rounder of this generation.

 

[Justcrazy]

The West Indies team of 80s in odi cricket is overrated imo . They didn’t have quality allrounders or wrist spinners .

Aussie team was very good as they had amazing batsmen , great Warne and gillespie .

In many ways , India has equally good batsmen , good wk keeper bat and the greatest left arm chinaman game has ever seen. Now add bumrah - it’s the greatest white ball team I have seen in 35 years.

The kind of bowlers they had , do you think they need spinners ?

 

[jnaveen1980]

The kind of bowlers they had , do you think they need spinners ?

But West Indies never won a tournament after 1979. Once ODI cricket gained popularity they won a tournament in 2006. Nothing before. Not in the 80s. Didn't win Benson and HEddges. They were a good team. Not a tournament team like Australia or even current India. They were mostly bilateral bullies after 1979.

 

[kron]

Australia advantage has been fast bowlers who are tall hit the deck kind

As India grows richer , u will see more and more faster bowlers who are tall. Batting and fielding wise now India is at par esp with increased fitness levels.

Current odi team of India is superior to the Aussie team of the 2000s . Man for man , India edges out due to bumrah and Pandya . Peak Aussie did not have an all rounder like bumrah or a bowler like bumrah . Rest all are evenly matched .

Yeh bahut zyada ho gaya lmao

Too 3/4 teams of all time yes but not the best ever

But I know for sure Indian 2023 to now in odi would smash England of 2015-2019 easily and also dhonis india of 2008 to 2013.

Quite easily

Aus 2015 would be a close battle vs 2023 India at full strength.

50 50 for me

But 2003 to 2007 Aus is the best. Can’t argue with the results there unfortunately.

 

[kron]

If you want them to be a goat side, you have to be better then that team and produce a team that's actually better then them on paper.

Atm both atg wi and aus are ahead.

Tbf India is no 3 of all time though. They can reach no 2 but no 1 is tricky primarily due to gilly, hayden, martyn, Mcgrath, Warne and ponting

Unless we win one more t20 and and another odi WC you can’t compare with that Aus team yet.

Plus McGrath stands in between everyone.

Let’s be honest kohli would be the easiest wicket for McGrath.

Easy. Like really?he has trouble with hazlewood sometimes although he has done well in Odis vs him. McGrath will make mince meat fair biryani out of him

And Rohit lmaooo

With his weakness vs movement. McGrath is like main kyrptonite

Iyer won’t last 5 balls vs McGrath. I will bet my whole live savings plus property and shares on it

I can only see pant who has all shots in the book and jaiswal have some success vs mcgrath

Maybe the newer version of Kl Rahul can do ok.

Pandya as good as he is, McGrath is a bad matchup for him

 

[kron]

But West Indies never won a tournament after 1979. Once ODI cricket gained popularity they won a tournament in 2006. Nothing before. Not in the 80s. Didn't win Benson and HEddges. They were a good team. Not a tournament team like Australia or even current India. They were mostly bilateral bullies after 1979.

They have champions trophies no?
Oh wait 2 t20s titles

One champions torphy

And 2 world cups

Quite good tbh top 3 all time

India number 2

What’s interesting is if you include all icc events India record vs Aus is quite good in ko
8-10 with slight edge to Aus

 

[mominsaigol]

Unless we win one more t20 and and another odi WC you can’t compare with that Aus team yet.

Plus McGrath stands in between everyone.

Let’s be honest kohli would be the easiest wicket for McGrath.

Easy. Like really?he has trouble with hazlewood sometimes although he has done well in Odis vs him. McGrath will make mince meat fair biryani out of him

And Rohit lmaooo

With his weakness vs movement. McGrath is like main kyrptonite

Iyer won’t last 5 balls vs McGrath. I will bet my whole live savings plus property and shares on it

I can only see pant who has all shots in the book and jaiswal have some success vs mcgrath

Maybe the newer version of Kl Rahul can do ok.

Pandya as good as he is, McGrath is a bad matchup for him

That team needs to surpass them on paper.

It's absolute madness to think that

A) Fat 2025 rohit > Hayden

B) Gill > Gilly

C) Prime kohli vs ponting is debatable but current kohli stands no chance

D) Martyn is 100x the player sheryas is

Then the likes of Mcgrath, Lee, Gillispie, Warne, etc etc is a better bowling attack then India even if you include bumrah.

I can see India winning a few games only if bumrah has a field day but 90 put of 100x they would lose.

This is why I hate some Indian posters who have no knowledge about cricket.

I wish Indian posters didn't flock together like a 6 pack and attack me because most Indian posters here and extremely smart and intelligent and some of them are better posters then me

But logic goes out the window and a hive mind is formed if they see one Indian troll who has rubbish takes, but God forbid a knowledgeable non Indian posters debunks him.

They'll attack only to debunk him themsleves later .

 

[kron]

That team needs to surpass them on paper.

It's absolute madness to think that

A) Fat 2025 rohit > Hayden

B) Gill > Gilly

C) Prime kohli vs ponting is debatable but current kohli stands no chance

D) Martyn is 100x the player sheryas is

Then the likes of Mcgrath, Lee, Gillispie, Warne, etc etc is a better bowling attack then India even if you include bumrah.

I can see India winning a few games only if bumrah has a field day but 90 put of 100x they would lose.

This is why I hate some Indian posters who have no knowledge about cricket.

I wish Indian posters didn't flock together like a 6 pack and attack me because most Indian posters here and extremely smart and intelligent and some of them are better posters then me

But logic goes out the window and a hive mind is formed if they see one Indian troll who has rubbish takes, but God forbid a knowledgeable non Indian posters debunks him.

They'll attack only to debunk him themsleves later .

Warne vs Kuldeep I know I would choose Warne

But Kuldeep is good and has imporved

Our bowling though is lethal
Bumrah shami is deadly

Would say shami better than Gillespie
McGrath better than bumrah

Lee is better than our current pacers like Rana and Arshdeep as both are still raw

Pandya is an AR and a good one at that. But Aus don’t need ARs at the time

Keeper gilly or Kl?
Gilly anyday

Pant > Lehman that’s all I can say

Rest all batters Aus have the edge.

 

[BDfanforever]

Then the likes of Mcgrath, Lee, Gillispie, Warne, etc etc is a better bowling attack then India even if you include bumrah.

Someone tried to paint the picture that Varun C is comparable to Warne.

 

[mominsaigol]

Someone tried to paint the picture that Varun C is comparable to Warne.

Every Indian is better then every non Indian according to Indians. It's why the greatest Indians live in America

 

[kron]

Someone tried to paint the picture that Varun C is comparable to Warne.

lol. Who said that? Name and shame them here

 

[Hitman]

One more point, I don't think India is dominating. The all conquering Aussie team from the 99' WC till the 07' WC lost just 2 Test series, both away from home - vs India in 2001, and vs England in 2005. Add to that, the loss against England came due to a blatant wrong decision in the end, not to mention Glenn McGrath getting injured. Add to that 3 WC's in a row. That's what you call dominance.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Australia advantage has been fast bowlers who are tall hit the deck kind

As India grows richer , u will see more and more faster bowlers who are tall. Batting and fielding wise now India is at par esp with increased fitness levels.

Current odi team of India is superior to the Aussie team of the 2000s . Man for man , India edges out due to bumrah and Pandya . Peak Aussie did not have an all rounder like bumrah or a bowler like bumrah . Rest all are evenly matched .

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

How tall do you think Indians can grow in height in line with the growing economy?

As tall as this man?

Imagine the bounce these rich and tall Indian bowlers will generate on Australian and South African pitches.

 

[kron]

Have you seen some of the school kids these days lmao

Desi kids are tall as
In Australia anyway. Taller than the whites especially Punjabi Tamils and telugu people

Not sure about Indians in india though

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India are a GOAT Asian cricket nation but unfortunately Australia are still the powerhouse of international cricket. India hold second spot and respects the achievements of the powerhouse nation, which Australia is.

England, New Zealand and South Africa form the top 5 and they must respect the top 2, Australia and India, who are well ahead of them.

Pakistan are sitting down on the rope with nothing much to show up and should bow down to not only Australia and India but also to England, South Africa and New Zealand. They are perennial losers, who once upon a time was led by Imran Khan, a man who is statistically the greatest test cricketer since 1970.

The only thing Pakistan can showcase is their mediocre and forgettable head-to-head record against India. Their 1992 World Cup win, 2009 T20 WC win and 2017 CT win is nothing but meh.

 

[mominsaigol]

Btw I do wanna point out

@Rajdeep In whiteball india's dominance is equivalent to classic Australia dominance.

However keep on mind tournaments aren't a metric.

Theirs a tournaments every year now unlike the classic era hence unfair to use such a metric.

In terms who'd win though, Classic Australia would still mop the floor with current India in odi.

They need to improve their pace bowling as besides bumrah their not good enough and they need to eventually call ot quits with rohit and kohli. These 2 are good but their gonna keep.playing till the end of time and eventually their test forms will start reflecting their odi form as well

 

[saimayubera]

Btw I do wanna point out

@Rajdeep In whiteball india's dominance is equivalent to classic Australia dominance.

However keep on mind tournaments aren't a metric.

Theirs a tournaments every year now unlike the classic era hence unfair to use such a metric.

In terms who'd win though, Classic Australia would still mop the floor with current India in odi.

They need to improve their pace bowling as besides bumrah their not good enough and they need to eventually call ot quits with rohit and kohli. These 2 are good but their gonna keep.playing till the end of time and eventually their test forms will start reflecting their odi form as well

Indian batting pipeline will continue.

A country of this magnitude obsessed with cricket with more money in the infrastructure will always have really good batsmen.

It is pacers especially tall HTD pacers which is a pain point, especially for SA and Aus tests.

Also pace bowling allrounders.

Hopefully as India becomes richer still and there is more money, even this is fixed.

Next 10 years India will dominate but Australia and England will also compete well.

Post that I see India pulling away from them too (as they have pulled away from the rest of the Asian pack in the last decade or so).

 

[saimayubera]

The only thing Pakistan can showcase is their mediocre and forgettable head-to-head record against India. Their 1992 World Cup win, 2009 T20 WC win and 2017 CT win is nothing but meh.

Basically the same number of titles like Sri Lanka.

 

[mominsaigol]

Indian batting pipeline will continue.

A country of this magnitude obsessed with cricket with more money in the infrastructure will always have really good batsmen.

It is pacers especially tall HTD pacers which is a pain point, especially for SA and Aus tests.

Also pace bowling allrounders.

Hopefully as India becomes richer still and there is more money, even this is fixed.

Next 10 years India will dominate but Australia and England will also compete well.

Post that I see India pulling away from them too (as they have pulled away from the rest of the Asian pack in the last decade or so).

India isn't as rich as you're making it out to be. GDP is worthless. GDP per capita is the best way to measure wealth.

Unlike China who's eco is 17T and hence can somewhat handle a 1.3B population, India is struggling with 3T.

Australia 1T eco is way too high considering only 26M people live in Aus.

Wealth isn't tied down to sports itself, it depends on monetary investments .

India won't surpass Australia or western countries in infrastructure and will remain a developing economy.

The reason their pulling ahead in cricket has nothing to do with overall GDP, but due to the fact that cricket is the one sport they've learned how to pour proper money in and develop a proper infrastructure which puts them ahead.

While Australia doesn't care much about cricket. It's not their main sport and they just play it for timepass. They've been dominant cause this country is naturally athletic and outdoorsy + pure aussies have fantastic genetics which puts them ahead.

England have fallen behind however due to mismanagement of their main resources but that's UK in a nutshell, their falling behind on virtually everything and will continue to do so.

Their a sad reflection of How the mightiest nation that once even controlled USA and pretty much owned the entire subcontinent is now fading away bit by bit as every tom dick and Harry pulls ahead.

 

[mominsaigol]

India isn't as rich as you're making it out to be. GDP is worthless. GDP per capita is the best way to measure wealth.

Unlike China who's eco is 17T and hence can somewhat handle a 1.3B population, India is struggling with 3T.

Australia 1T eco is way too high considering only 26M people live in Aus.

Wealth isn't tied down to sports itself, it depends on monetary investments .

India won't surpass Australia or western countries in infrastructure and will remain a developing economy.

The reason their pulling ahead in cricket has nothing to do with overall GDP, but due to the fact that cricket is the one sport they've learned how to pour proper money in and develop a proper infrastructure which puts them ahead.

While Australia doesn't care much about cricket. It's not their main sport and they just play it for timepass. They've been dominant cause this country is naturally athletic and outdoorsy + pure aussies have fantastic genetics which puts them ahead.

England have fallen behind however due to mismanagement of their main resources but that's UK in a nutshell, their falling behind on virtually everything and will continue to do so.

Their a sad reflection of How the mightiest nation that once even controlled USA and pretty much owned the entire subcontinent is now fading away bit by bit as every tom dick and Harry pulls ahead.

@saimayubera

Also let me clarify, since I'm assuming that some Indians, not you cause you're a very good poster actually, but some Indians might think I'm making excuses via that time pass comment.

Just clarifying, Time pass doesn't mean that Australia isn't competitive and they don't care, Their extremely competitive in every sport they play.

However unlike India who treats cricket as their pride and cricket for them is an emotion, not winning mentally an physically hurts them, That's not the case for Australia.

They can go on for the next 20 years win in absolutely nothing and not a single aussie will truly care and even if they do, they won't lose sleep over it.

The concept of treating cricket as an emotion is a concept for Pakistani, Indians, and other nations but not Aus who doesn't treat it as such.

 

[saimayubera]

@saimayubera

Also let me clarify, since I'm assuming that some Indians, not you cause you're a very good poster actually, but some Indians might think I'm making excuses via that time pass comment.

Just clarifying, Time pass doesn't mean that Australia isn't competitive and they don't care, Their extremely competitive in every sport they play.

However unlike India who treats cricket as their pride and cricket for them is an emotion, not winning mentally an physically hurts them, That's not the case for Australia.

They can go on for the next 20 years win in absolutely nothing and not a single aussie will truly care and even if they do, they won't lose sleep over it.

The concept of treating cricket as an emotion is a concept for Pakistani, Indians, and other nations but not Aus who doesn't treat it as such.

I know and I am taking that into account.

India will never have a bigger GDP pci than Australia but it doesn't need to.

Cricketing prowess = GDP pci X Interest X Population

Australia has high GDP pci, medium interest, low population

India have low GDP pci, high interest, high population

But as the Indian economy increases (It's 4T+ not 3T as you have mentioned but that's a moot point) and the GDP pci increases (and it will increase at a faster rate than say Aus simply because developing countries increase faster) it will pull away in 10 years as there will be more money in infrastructure as well as general increase in athleticism etc due to better nutrition etc. India will reach decent middle income status by mid century.

Thing is there is no China, USA, Russia or the big European countries playing cricket.

And I don't see cricket becoming more popular in Australia and England so those three factors will remain consistent.

NZ is too less populated/disinterested in cricket. SA is somewhat interested but they are also poor and less populated compared to India.

The other Asian countries are both poorer and less populated than India (SL has a slightly higher pci but population is way lower) so they are not competition.

That's why India will pull away. I expect Eng/Aus to compete well for the next 10 years though.

If cricket was slightly more popular in Australia (like say Aussie Rules) and as popular as football in England, then everything would be Ashes.

 

[Ab Fan]

The only thing Pakistan can showcase is their mediocre and forgettable head-to-head record against India. Their 1992 World Cup win, 2009 T20 WC win and 2017 CT win is nothing but meh.

That’s why they must respect teams that are better than them. India respects Australia for the same reason.

Hence, Pakistan must also respect Australia, India, South Africa, England and New Zealand.

 

[saimayubera]

@saimayubera

Also let me clarify, since I'm assuming that some Indians, not you cause you're a very good poster actually, but some Indians might think I'm making excuses via that time pass comment.

Just clarifying, Time pass doesn't mean that Australia isn't competitive and they don't care, Their extremely competitive in every sport they play.

However unlike India who treats cricket as their pride and cricket for them is an emotion, not winning mentally an physically hurts them, That's not the case for Australia.

They can go on for the next 20 years win in absolutely nothing and not a single aussie will truly care and even if they do, they won't lose sleep over it.

The concept of treating cricket as an emotion is a concept for Pakistani, Indians, and other nations but not Aus who doesn't treat it as such.

Also the reason for emotion is simply because of lack of achievement in other fields throughout most of recent history.

As India becomes richer and other avenues for pride open up (other sports, achievements in other fields etc) cricket will stop being as important to the average Indian.

Australians have other sports and avenues to invest in.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Thread is about cricket only... Please stay on topic

 

[kron]

Also the reason for emotion is simply because of lack of achievement in other fields throughout most of recent history.

As India becomes richer and other avenues for pride open up (other sports, achievements in other fields etc) cricket will stop being as important to the average Indian.

Australians have other sports and avenues to invest in.

Australia isn’t particularly great in other sports. They mostly compete in other team sports. In hockey they have declined a bit in men’s. No one cares for women’s team sports in general. It’s hardly marketable. women’s individual Olympic athletes however must be respected as it’s significantly difficult to excel in such events

Australia is pretty average in rugby. Haven’t won vs top teams in years

AFL is a local sport.

Swimming is something Aussies are good at and it shows in the olympics.

To do well in Olympics you need to have funding or financial support from parents who are atleast above average in terms of wealth because lot of the sports Australia excels in like diving, swimming, skating and so on are extremely expensive. Quite impossible for poorer Asian countries in such events due to severe lack of financial backing.

Also polo and some others sports like equestrian is virtually unthinkable for non western countries barring a select few.

 

[saimayubera]

Australia isn’t particularly great in other sports. They mostly compete in other team sports. In hockey they have declined a bit in men’s. No one cares for women’s team sports in general. It’s hardly marketable. women’s individual Olympic athletes however must be respected as it’s significantly difficult to excel in such events

Australia is pretty average in rugby. Haven’t won vs top teams in years

AFL is a local sport.

Swimming is something Aussies are good at and it shows in the olympics.

To do well in Olympics you need to have funding or financial support from parents who are atleast above average in terms of wealth because lot of the sports Australia excels in like diving, swimming, skating and so on are extremely expensive. Quite impossible for poorer Asian countries in such events due to severe lack of financial backing.

Also polo and some others sports like equestrian is virtually unthinkable for non western countries barring a select few.

Australia has their local sports like Aussie Rules etc.

Swimming they are world class behind USA (although China are improving fast and should displace them in 15-20ish years to no 3).

Ofc the reason why they are not good at other global sports like say football is because there their competition is other first world countries.

The only reason they are so good in cricket is because their only main opposition has mostly been England where cricket is a niche upper class sport. The other countries for most of cricketing history have been dirt poor. It is only now that India has become somewhat richer that they have risen.

Point is they have enough outlets that they are not too emotional about cricket.

By mid century, apart from cricket Indians will have hockey and badminton as sports (apart from things like shooting and wrestling but they are not fun spectator sports) as well as general other outlets so that emotional bond with cricket will decrease.

 

[Devadwal]

Someone tried to paint the picture that Varun C is comparable to Warne.

Warne was treated by indian batsman like gully mohalla spinners

 

[saimayubera]

For what it's worth I think, the Indian cricket team circa 2035 will be the GOAT cricket team (and remain for perpetuity).

 

[kron]

For what it's worth I think, the Indian cricket team circa 2035 will be the GOAT cricket team (and remain for perpetuity).

Think by that time we will be focusing more on other sports in Olympics like wrestling hockey boxing, javelin throw, badminton , shooting and shot put plus athletics in general

Football will take a while. Our gdp per capita’needs to reach atleast 15 k to excel in it.

 

[saimayubera]

Think by that time we will be focusing more on other sports in Olympics like wrestling hockey boxing, javelin throw, badminton , shooting and shot put plus athletics in general

Football will take a while. Our gdp per capita’needs to reach atleast 15 k to excel in it.

2035 cricket India will be extremely good and undisputed 1.

Wrestling, hockey, badminton, shooting, boxing India are already decent now (Olympic/Worlds silver/bronze level) and by then should have a few gold medalists.

New sports will open up by then where India will be at the state they are in currently wrt wrestling, hockey, badminton, shooting etc.

I am guessing athletics, TT and squash.

 

[sweep_shot]

Australia would make beef kebab no raita out of this Indian team 10/10 times, without needing special venues in tournaments where they’re not hosts nor having to hold ICC hostage.

Virat may score a 100 but the rest would be getting cooked.

Exactly.

Indians are winning while receiving perks from ICC. Australia had no such luxury. Aussies never received or recieve any preferential treatment. They were the true undisputed champions.

 

[Devadwal]

Exactly.

Indians are winning while receiving perks from ICC. Australia had no such luxury. Aussies never received or recieve any preferential treatment. They were the true undisputed champions.

 

[kron]

2035 cricket India will be extremely good and undisputed 1.

Wrestling, hockey, badminton, shooting, boxing India are already decent now (Olympic/Worlds silver/bronze level) and by then should have a few gold medalists.

New sports will open up by then where India will be at the state they are in currently wrt wrestling, hockey, badminton, shooting etc.

I am guessing athletics, TT and squash.

Our gdp ranking is 120

Even fodder countries like Croatia and piece of trash countries like Poland are well above us in gdp

So we are actually punching well above our weight

Jamaica is above us for god sake

But soon things will change. Maybe 2040. Then it won’t just be cricket and yes in all those sports we mentioned earlier India are usually top 5 level. But we can go higher. Silver gold is achievable if we get enough funding etc and improve gdp per capita

 

[Croma]

India team under Rohit Sharma is sitting at below in last 3 ICC events -

WWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

So that is total 25 games, win 24 and one solitary loss. This kind of dominance in white ball cricket is rare to see.

How does this compare to the great Australian white ball team of early to mid 2000s?

I guess someone needs to dig up a better limited over stat for any past Australian Team...? Any stats genius here? I remember one guy jeetu... If he is still here, he might be able to dig up something

 

[kron]

I guess someone needs to dig up a better limited over stat for any past Australian Team...? Any stats genius here? I remember one guy jeetu... If he is still here, he might be able to dig up something

Australia’s record in ICC events from 2000 to December 2007—36 wins, 6 losses across 42 matches— their golden era.

Overall Dominance: A win percentage of 85.71% in ICC events over this period. Their losses (6 in total) were spread across formats, but they zero losses in odi

Losses in t20 and champions trophy however.

 

[kron]

India team under Rohit Sharma is sitting at below in last 3 ICC events -

WWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

So that is total 25 games, win 24 and one solitary loss. This kind of dominance in white ball cricket is rare to see.

How does this compare to the great Australian white ball team of early to mid 2000s?

Rohit Sharma record in odi is 80.03% win percentage

Highest for those above 50 games. He has managed India for 61 games

 

[Justcrazy]

But West Indies never won a tournament after 1979. Once ODI cricket gained popularity they won a tournament in 2006. Nothing before. Not in the 80s. Didn't win Benson and HEddges. They were a good team. Not a tournament team like Australia or even current India. They were mostly bilateral bullies after 1979.

Australian team that won three consecutive WC is the most superior team , possibly better than WI because of better fielding unit and having a solid spinners like Warne.

 

[mominsaigol]

Exactly.

Indians are winning while receiving perks from ICC. Australia had no such luxury. Aussies never received or recieve any preferential treatment. They were the true undisputed champions.

Classic Australia > Current India in a head to head in tests and odi.

However in terms of era dominance India is coming close to classic Australia in odi atleast.

In tests their a massive gap though, i don't think any team will ever reach classic Australia test era dominance excluding Bradman era where aus butchered every ww2 era team and it required bodyline series to beat them.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Australian team that won three consecutive WC is the most superior team , possibly better than WI because of better fielding unit and having a solid spinners like Warne.

After 1983 final West Indies didn't even reach the final ever. They were good in Tests. ODI bilaterals. When it comes to ODI tournaments nothing much after that except 2006. T20 was the ideal format for them. Rightly they won twice.

 

[Justcrazy]

After 1983 final West Indies didn't even reach the final ever. They were good in Tests. ODI bilaterals. When it comes to ODI tournaments nothing much after that except 2006. T20 was the ideal format for them. Rightly they won twice.

But we are comparing peaks here , we are comparing that 1975 - 1983 team .

 

[jnaveen1980]

But we are comparing peaks here , we are comparing that 1975 - 1983 team .

During that period ODIs were evolving. Not much competition. Once other teams started getting used to that format Windies was not quiet the same.

 

[Justcrazy]

During that period ODIs were evolving. Not much competition. Once other teams started getting used to that format Windies was not quiet the same.

But at that point they were a solid team. Even after losing 1983 WC , they completely thrashed India at home. They will be remembered as one of the best teams of that era.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

And some delusional fans were dreaming about feeder leagues for IPL.

 

[Hellion]

Kudos to IPL for their honesty. I'd rather have this than ECB say stuff like "Pakistanis will not be discriminated against " and then not pick a single Pakistani anyway.

#Satyamave Jayate

 

[RahulBose]

Je baat....

Let's show some muscles and hurt them where it hurts

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Australian ace fast bowler Mitchell Starc said Indian cricket team has so much depth that they can possibly have three different squads for different formats that can play the same day.
“I think they are probably the only nation that can have a Test team, a one-day team, and a T20 team play on the same day against Australia in the Test, England in the one-dayer, and South Africa in the T20I; and India will be competitive, no other country can do that," Starc said during a chat on YouTube show 'Fanatics TV'.

India only nation that can have Test , One-day and T20 different teams playing on the same day: Starc

Team India are currently No 1 in both white ball formats in international cricket

gulfnews.com

Seems like the IPL start date is clouding Starc's judgement. I would like to see India put out 3 different teams, Shield sides would probably beat them.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

OP's glee is understandable but Brook knew that this would happen.

Anyway, he prefers playing for England and the IPL needs more loyalty now and some semblance of performance, neither of which Brook can currently provide.

Win win for both parties