How do you get Virat Kohli out in a Test in India?

[Joseph Gomes]

Unless Kohli's out of form, how would a team get Kohli out in India?

In last 3 years, Kohli averages 97 at home, which includes his disastrous series against Australia in 2017.

Here are his stats

Inns - 25
Runs - 1944
Average - 97.20
100s - 8
50s - 3

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

He scores double tons for fun, doesn't look bothered by whoever's bowling at the other end. Does Kohli have any particular weakness in India?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Ask Australia.

 

[Bhaijaan]

He could not bat against Australia.

You just have ti have good bowlers and a plan.

Rabada is clearly useless in India.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

He could not bat against Australia.

You just have ti have good bowlers and a plan.

Rabada is clearly useless in India.

South Africa are well prepared though. Maharaj himself is supposedly one of the best SENA spinner now.

Also that Australia series was a huge outlier stats wise, here's Kohli's series average in every series in India in last 3 years

vs England - 109
vs Bangladesh - 121
vs Aus - 9
vs SL - 152
vs WI - 92
vs SA - 228* (subject to change after dismissal)

 

[Bhaijaan]

You can only judge greatness of a player by his record against the best otherwise they are all making a lot of runs now.

Fact is that Virat Kohli has a mediocre record in world cups and he is not good against quality bowling in India.

Abroad he conquered Anderson and rightfully prove himself as a great touring batsman in test cricket. Credit must be given where it is due.

It is not yet due for Indian test matches where SMith is still ahead of Kohli proven by facts for example 3 test centuries in BG trophy by Smith

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I mean, he only failed once and he was out of form. He averages 100+ in every other series. Even Bradman got out on duck in his last innings.

 

[Mamoon]

Australian series was a one-off. He scored more against them in Australia than he did at home.

He has demolished Australia enough in his career across all formats. No one cares if he flopped in one series.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Australia visited india in 2013 too.

The bowlers were:Johnson,Pattinson,Starc,Lyon,Siddle.
Virat bullied them.

The 2016 series was a one off.

 

[Pakhs]

Common guys he is scoring runs on pitches where new comers are making merry too like agarwal.. that being said he is the second best player behind Smith so he is obviously going to score runs.

 

[Mamoon]

Agarwal is new but oozes class. Arguably a better Test batsman than anyone in the other Asian sides currently.

 

[jiduguravindra]

On rank turners you have a chance to get him cheaply.

 

[Hasan123]

Hope that the law of averages catches up with him. Failing in 1 series in 2/3 years is truly amazing.

 

[jiduguravindra]

Hope that the law of averages catches up with him. Failing in 1 series in 2/3 years is truly amazing.

When he is out of form, somehow he still makes 30s and 40s..Sometimes he plays like tailender(only regarding avg),but those series are rare, as u said they came once in every 2/3 yrs.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

254 not out, yet another Bradmaneque series at home.

 

[Mobashir]

Australian series was a one-off. He scored more against them in Australia than he did at home.

He has demolished Australia enough in his career across all formats. No one cares if he flopped in one series.

It was not a one off. The pitches had something in them and he failed miserably.
Just as he failed at home against SA in the first 3 tests.
Just as he failed against Swann's England at home.

It's not about home or away but also about the pitches.

The only pitch that had something in it was Gabba and he also failed there.

Kohli is not tough enough to score some excellent test match runs. He loves the kind of innings he just played today VS SA- good innings, nothing more.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Good innings lmao. He's the 2nd best test batsman of this era. Absolutely destroyed Rabada and co in this test.

 

[Hasan123]

It was not a one off. The pitches had something in them and he failed miserably.
Just as he failed at home against SA in the first 3 tests.
Just as he failed against Swann's England at home.

It's not about home or away but also about the pitches.

The only pitch that had something in it was Gabba and he also failed there.

Kohli is not tough enough to score some excellent test match runs. He loves the kind of innings he just played today VS SA- good innings, nothing more.

You clearly don’t watch cricket. When India played South Africa and England away last year, the only batter who looked decent in difficult conditions was Virat Kohli.

Your biases is clouding your judgement.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is a brilliant batsmen home or away and it's always hard to get out a great batsmen like him. There aren't enough good spinners either in the world.

He is one of the greatest batter of all-time, any format considering and you need a great plan to get him out, something SA are lacking.

 

[Mamoon]

It was not a one off. The pitches had something in them and he failed miserably.
Just as he failed at home against SA in the first 3 tests.
Just as he failed against Swann's England at home.

It's not about home or away but also about the pitches.

The only pitch that had something in it was Gabba and he also failed there.

Kohli is not tough enough to score some excellent test match runs. He loves the kind of innings he just played today VS SA- good innings, nothing more.

His performances in South Africa and England dispelled the notion that he cannot score runs on difficult tracks. He is a phenomenal player and there is no dispute over his status as one of the greatest players of all time.

 

[Mamoon]

Indian pace trio broke the record of most wickets between them in 2018 on the same pitches where Kohli scored heaps of runs.

However, we know it already that when Kohli score runs, the pitches are flat. When Bumrah, Ishant and Shami bowl, the pitches start to offer seam and black clouds form in the skies. Then when Ashwin and Jadeja get the ball, the same pitch turns into rank-turners.

By the time Kohli comes onto bat, the pitches become dead again unless he gets out cheaply, in which case the pitches/conditions were either rank-turners or pace-friendly.

 

[BalluBalleBaaz]

There are only 2 ways to get him out. Quick seaming ball on 4th stump or sharp leggie on assisting wickets.

 

[TheNeutralist]

It was not a one off. The pitches had something in them and he failed miserably.
Just as he failed at home against SA in the first 3 tests.
Just as he failed against Swann's England at home.

It's not about home or away but also about the pitches.

The only pitch that had something in it was Gabba and he also failed there.

Kohli is not tough enough to score some excellent test match runs. He loves the kind of innings he just played today VS SA- good innings, nothing more.

Obviously he is a flat track bully, anyone can have this record. Like so many batsmen in all other countries, right? what is next, may be flat track bully in ODIs.

 

[Hasan123]

Agarwal is new but oozes class. Arguably a better Test batsman than anyone in the other Asian sides currently.

Lol he is not better than Karunaratne who has improved the longer he has played international cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol he is not better than Karunaratne who has improved the longer he has played international cricket.

I don’t think so, but time will tell.

 

[Hasan123]

I don’t think so, but time will tell.

In the future he could be better. But right now he isn't.

 

[Swashbuckler]

It was not a one off. The pitches had something in them and he failed miserably.
Just as he failed at home against SA in the first 3 tests.
Just as he failed against Swann's England at home.

It's not about home or away but also about the pitches.

The only pitch that had something in it was Gabba and he also failed there.

Kohli is not tough enough to score some excellent test match runs. He loves the kind of innings he just played today VS SA- good innings, nothing more.

Samples size on difficult pitches in India is low. 2 tests against SA in 2015, 2 against Aus, 1 against NZ. The pitches against England were easier than these other rank turners and to be fair to Kohli he was a test rookie in 2012. He has enough time to correct that record provided we lay out similar pitches. The 2013 Chennai track behaved similar to the ones in Kolkata/Mumbai 2012 against England, and Kohli got a quality 100.

Kohli has scored plenty of tough runs overseas, just not in India. Pujara and to an extent Vijay were the ones who scored the really tough runs on the few rank turners we had at home.

 

[The Viper]

Unless it’s a rank turner, I don’t see him struggling.

He has been very prolific at home.

 

[Savak]

If the ball doesn't swing, you can't bowl to him, you can only pray for a mistake or lapse in concentration from him.

 

[jnaveen1980]

He is destined for much bigger things. His game is basically a risky free game. What i like about him is there are no ugly runs. Gorgeous to watch when in full flight. Dare i say better looking batsman than Tendulkar.

 

[Mobashir]

You clearly don’t watch cricket. When India played South Africa and England away last year, the only batter who looked decent in difficult conditions was Virat Kohli.

Your biases is clouding your judgement.

Just in case you can't read, I said at home. And kohl's home is India.

 

[Mobashir]

His performances in South Africa and England dispelled the notion that he cannot score runs on difficult tracks. He is a phenomenal player and there is no dispute over his status as one of the greatest players of all time.

None of the other "greatest players of all time" have failed as consistantly as him.
And he neither have those great innings like Lara, KP... So for the moment he is a great test player, even an ATG, but he is far behind the GOATS.

 

[Mamoon]

None of the other "greatest players of all time" have failed as consistantly as him.
And he neither have those great innings like Lara, KP... So for the moment he is a great test player, even an ATG, but he is far behind the GOATS.

He is already two levels above KP as a batsman. KP was a genius but he didn’t have the discipline or the hunger to get anywhere close to Kohli’s consistency. Kohli is every bit as good Lara, Ponting and Tendulkar.

 

[Hasan123]

Just in case you can't read, I said at home. And kohl's home is India.

He averages 97 in his last 25 innings at home.

If it was any other player you would be praising them. You lose the plot when it's a Indian player.

 

[Mamoon]

He averages 97 in his last 25 innings at home.

If it was any other player you would be praising them. You lose the plot when it's a Indian player.

He will call those runs flat track bullying and then dismiss Ashwin for taking wickets on rank-turners.

 

[Hasan123]

He will call those runs flat track bullying and then dismiss Ashwin for taking wickets on rank-turners.

He doesn't make sense when it comes to Indian players.

 

[Ab Fan]

Virat is as good a test batsmen as Ponting. Smith is an even better test bat though.

In limited overs, Kohli is again in the top 3-4 greatest batsmen of all-time. He has already surpassed all the batsmen that have debuted in this millennium.

A definite "one of the greatest of all-time". He will find his name if I have to put a list of 10 greatest batters ever.

 

[Sam99]

In india even rohit bats like bradman so surely gonna be hard to bowl at virat kohli.

 

[Torborg]

He is already two levels above KP as a batsman. KP was a genius but he didn’t have the discipline or the hunger to get anywhere close to Kohli’s consistency. Kohli is every bit as good Lara, Ponting and Tendulkar.

I'd place Kohli a level below Lara and Tendulkar, and roughly equal with Ponting.

Tendulkar is the most complete batsmen I've ever seen and Lara the most destructive when he was in the mood or if he felt challenged.

 

[tyron_woodley]

just pray and hope he has a bad day.

Good luck.

 

[sweep_shot]

South African bowlers are ordinary in subcontinent. You can't get him out easily with that kind of bowling attack. Even Afghanistan has better Test bowling attack than that (subcontinent only).

I think best way to get him out is to bowl fast and short. Also, he seems to have a problem with late away swing.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

If the ball doesn't swing, you can't bowl to him, you can only pray for a mistake or lapse in concentration from him.

Prayers don't see to be working, he's averaging 102 at home for the last 25 innings. If we exclude the Australia series, average jumps to 133 (1996 runs from 20 inns)

 

[Mobashir]

He averages 97 in his last 25 innings at home.

If it was any other player you would be praising them. You lose the plot when it's a Indian player.

It's easy to say words like "you lose....";
Show me any of the fab 4 or any of those greatest of all time missing out so regularly as Kohli did with the examples I showed above.

And again, he doesn't have iconic match winning hundred or innings to show for.

His average of 97 could have been 197 I wouldn't care. I rate GOAT's of high class performances not players with a lot of good or very good performance.

This 254 not out of Kohli will boost his average but it can't even compare with some of the fifties Smith recently scored in the Ashes.

I have no problem admitting when Kohli does something good. He played some very good innings last time in SA even tough they weren't hundreds as I don't care about hundreds.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

It's easy to say words like "you lose....";
Show me any of the fab 4 or any of those greatest of all time missing out so regularly as Kohli did with the examples I showed above.

And again, he doesn't have iconic match winning hundred or innings to show for.

His average of 97 could have been 197 I wouldn't care. I rate GOAT's of high class performances not players with a lot of good or very good performance.

This 254 not out of Kohli will boost his average but it can't even compare with some of the fifties Smith recently scored in the Ashes.

I have no problem admitting when Kohli does something good. He played some very good innings last time in SA even tough they weren't hundreds as I don't care about hundreds.

Unfortunately for you, objective great performance > subjective biased evaluation. Otherwise Laxman would be better than Bradman.