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After nearly 68 years of Test cricket, we have seen Pakistan Test teams of varying quality and with fluctuating fortunes. Some strong in batting, some with brilliant bowlers, some bloody awful.

Where do you rate the current Test team in terms of quality, strength in depth, leaders, strengths and weaknesses, world class players etc?
 
Butt awful, there's just no balance to the team, a side top heavy with oldies and no x factor players apart from Babar.

Its the worst test team I've seen for sure. There have been some awful ones in the past but they at least contained a couple of match winners or more.
 
The bowling is young , our 27 year oold retired from test cricket to play leagues around the world.

Batting is awful as the two guys supposed to replace misbah and youns should have retired with them.

Opening is ok if pakistan can find two good middle order batsmen we can be a top 5 team.,
 
The team I rate only has 5 players in it.

Shan
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Babar
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Rizwan
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Abbas
Shaheen
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If the team includes the overall squad and resources back home then it is not terrible at all, but one which could be capable of punching above its weight. But confusing management roles, disastrous selections, lack of planning and tactics are hurting Pakistan.

I can't fathom how the coach can also be a selector let alone assuming such a role in the Pakistani set up! a team at the international level should also predominately be heavy with youth, captaincy is the single most important role and the toughest gig if you're leading the Pakistan side especially; you should at least be able to hold your place in the team it is the no.1 criteria, there needs to be focused effort to develop all rounders and leaders, plus the long rope should be given to youth not seniors.

Azhar Ali and Shafiq should never play for Pakistan again. The others who are a little too old need to be phased out, but you can keep 1-2 players in that age range who are capable of winning games for you; however the plan should remain to develop their replacements. Misbah ul Haq should be fired from both his roles which is non-nonsensical to begin with as far as cricket is concerned never mind how he holds this in Pakistan! the seam attack should be rotated and supported by those with a bit more experience, there needs to be an inquiry into why guys like Fawad and Abid get a look well past their prime, Pakistan need to understand cricket is a young mans sport, this isn't a game of ping pong which Misbah seems to presume, I am shocked by his performance thus far; in England this man had respect and perhaps around the world, now he's just an old yeller, and ya"ll know the ending of old yeller right ? the same needs to happen to Misbah
 
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Apart from the squad that toured England in 2010, this is the worst Pakistan Test team since the 1960s when they were minnows and essentially relying on one world class batsman (Hanif Mohammad).
 
Although the results are not great but the sheer amount of natural talent that exists in this squad cannot be ignored. Eventually with more experience and exposure, things will fall in place.
 
After nearly 68 years of Test cricket, we have seen Pakistan Test teams of varying quality and with fluctuating fortunes. Some strong in batting, some with brilliant bowlers, some bloody awful.

Where do you rate the current Test team in terms of quality, strength in depth, leaders, strengths and weaknesses, world class players etc?

Good bowlers as always.

Fragile batting except the excellent Babar.

Captaincy too defensive.
 
I don't think we are too far away at all to be honest.
Need a couple of players instead of Azhar and Asad and need to have the balls to play shadab at 6 and rizwan at 7 for a good period of time.
We also need to find a good spinner.
Can you imagine if we had a Latham, Taylor or Matthews instead of our two seniors.
We would have a proper team.

Currently we need to put a team out that can fight and punch above its weight. Azhar and Asad do the opposite which pulls everything down
 
Mediocre.

That being said it can easily be turned into a decent outfit, not saying the team will become world beater overnight but selecting the right players and sticking with them will provide a stable progress in the right direction.

Azhar and Asad have been free riders for far too long now and no team in the world can carry on such wait on its shoulders for so long before being called a mediocre team.

No 6 is a batting position which has been experimented by Pakistan like no tomorrow. One day Iftikhar Ahmed bats there, the next day Haris Sohail takes that spot, sometimes management feels Rizwan should bat there and on another day 34 year old Fawad Alam looks like the true heir of the throne coming back after 11 years to conquer that.

Bowling is inexperienced but with decent potential. However, as stated in another thread there should be arleast 2-3 pacers in their 20s part of the squad as they will bring in reasonable FC experience to provide the much needed support if required.

When I consider some of the young talent we have in generally all the departments it definitely gives hope but when I see lack of accountability of the free riders in the main team it disappoints me like everybody else.You want your best players available to play which unfortunately we havent been seeing for sometime.
 
An average team. We have one quality bat in Babar, we have 2 quality fast bowlers that are still learning their trade in Afridi and Naseem and that's about it. If you got rid of the rest, it will make no difference.
 
Pace attack is good but inexperienced and defensive captaincy doesn't help either. The problem for Pakistan is that by the time they get experience, they start fading.

Batting is poor except one world class batsmen in Babar and one good batsmen in Shan Masood, a brilliant keeper in Rizwan and a relatively good all-rounder in Shadab.

Fielding is atrocious and this is where modern era batters take huge advantage.

5/10 for me. -1 for fielding.
 
Inexperienced bowling
A decent spinner
One world class batter
Undeserving/Useless/Timid /Defensive Captain.
Undroppable mediocre "experienced" batsman.
If you collectively look at this line up. Then I think once Azhar and Asad are dropped fortunes can change but it will
a little time as a lot of players will be young if that happens
 
Inexperienced bowling
A decent spinner
One world class batter
Undeserving/Useless/Timid /Defensive Captain.
Undroppable mediocre "experienced" batsman.
If you collectively look at this line up. It is mediocre . I think once Azhar and Asad are dropped then Pakistan's fortunevcan change but it will take
a little time as a lot of players will be young if that happens
 
Babar and Afridi are top class players with long successful careers ahead of them. Good teams have been built around less resources.
 
Babar and Afridi are top class players with long successful careers ahead of them. Good teams have been built around less resources.

This. Have we had Haris instead of Azhar and maybe some other player instead of Shafiq, this team isnt that bad.
 
It’s ranked 7 out of 8 major Test teams (might go to 8th after this series), which I think is a fair reflection of the team. And, they are playing 3rd ranked team at their home - that OT Test is probably maximum that they could do. Only Babar is a confirmed pick from PAK in a combined XI - individually the gap is that wide.
 
One World Class batter. Wicket is decent behind the stumps and with the bat.
2 young green horn pacers with lot of potential.
Decent leg spinner. So I would say mediocre at the moment but still will win some matches at home, even against top 3-4 teams.
Problem is dead weight in the form of Asad,Azhar.
 
As of now, Pakistan are #6 or #7 in the world. They are ahead of SL, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Ireland, and Zimbabwe.

Pakistan and West Indies are probably at same level.
 
Babar and Afridi are top class players with long successful careers ahead of them. Good teams have been built around less resources.

That’s correct & wrong both ways. I explain it from another sports - soccer.

Greece won 2004 Euro with a well organised squad by Otto Rehagell - I hardly can recall any name from that squad apart from the German coach. But, that was an experienced squad with most of the players playing CL every year for Panathinaikos & Olympiacos, with few others playing in Germany, Italy & UK. An average squad but several players peaked together during the euro and their collective output was good enough to beat that all concurring French team on their day. Therefore you are correct that to build a very good squad you don’t need too many stars or world class players. The 1986 Argentine team also didn’t have too many names apart from one guy having the best ever individual WC for a player in history.

But, you are wrong in other way. Yes, not many stars are required, but you need a solid back bone, decent players to complement the few stars there. That was Greece in 2004 or that Argentine team had Canigia, Buruchagga, Ruggeri, Valdano, Pasculi, a 35 years old Passarella......, and several players from Italy, Spanish league and from Boca, River, Independente.

This is an utter shambolic PAK batting line-up and a very average bowling unit compared to their illustrious predecessors - it’s impossible to lift this team by few individuals. Here and there one off games may be (because cricket despite being a team game still dominated by individuals - another 30-35 runs, Yasir alone would have won that OT Test) but that Test ranking is a fair reflection of the team. Few weeks back, Aquib Javed wrote something regarding PAK batting in comparison to Bangladesh batting, which got the best out of few trolls here in PP.... it’s impossible to compete at top tier if your level is that.

Bowling is even more hyped - to the level that one certain Mickey Arthur was desperate to coach PAK instead of his current job at SRL .... but reality is, on that track, Poms chased 277 at 3.5 rate; take out Yasir, ..... you know your cricket.

Sometimes think about this line - it’s not about how many stars you have, rather the opposite is true as well - how many baggages you are to carry. That SRL team of 1996 won WC not because the had a peak Sanath & Hari; rather because they had 11 performing players, most of them at their peak. That’s the most important thing in team game, be it such individualistic like cricket.
 
On current form, it has two of the poorest middle order batsmen in world cricket.

We have the players just lack the courage to pick them and then stick with them.
 
My biggest problem is that we could be a whole lot better if we picked the right players from the available pool!!
And we always mess this up with seniority complex

Read malik and hafeez in odis for Azhar and Asad in tests
 
Absolutely rubbish in all three departments. I can only laugh when people overrate our bowling.
 
After nearly 68 years of Test cricket, we have seen Pakistan Test teams of varying quality and with fluctuating fortunes. Some strong in batting, some with brilliant bowlers, some bloody awful.

Where do you rate the current Test team in terms of quality, strength in depth, leaders, strengths and weaknesses, world class players etc?

That’s a brilliant question with a very complex answer.

A good (Rank 3 or 4) Test team has 2 world class players, 2 very good players and 7 average players.

I think that looking forward to the 2021-23 World Test Champuonship, Pakistan has the potential to have:

1 world class batsman (Babar)
1 world class bowler (Naseem)
1 very good keeper (Rizwan)
1 very good quick (Shaheen)
1 very good all-rounder (Shadab)

The issue is the 6 average players to go with them. Shan Masood is one, but Misbah has failed to groom Imran Butt, Sami Aslam, Haider Ali, Ehsan Adil, Zafar Gohar and Sajid Khan who are all capable of filling the “average player” berths.

The level of talent for that 2021-23 cycle only really trails Australia. India has an old team and England, New Zealand and South Africa have no depth - they can’t field six “average” players in the right age group.

I see no virtue to losing with the geriatric likes of Azhar, Shafiq, Fawad and Yasir.

I remember Australia losing a home Ashes in 86-87. They culled the older generation and suddenly eight months later the youthful likes of Steve Waugh, Dean Jones and Craig McDermott won the World Cup.

Pakistan has enough top talent. The problem is that the half of the team which just needs to be “average” is long past it’s best.
 
This team is similar in makeup to the one that toured Australia. That team was absolutely diabolical and never once competed but was written of as Pak have never won in Aus, Pak can't play in these conditions etc ----> "insert excuse here".

Although playing in Australia is challenging, we went with a minnow mentality and then justified the sorry excuse of a tour with more minnow mentality excuses. This is simply not acceptable.

My point is that this was just a sign of things to come.
 
To illustrate what I mean about the 2021-23 cycle, just compare with New Zealand.

Taylor and Wagner will be gone.

Boult and Southee and Watling will continue to deteriorate further.

Pakistanis deride Shadab as a bits and pieces player, but Santner makes him look like Sobers or Shakib!

Jameson is the only new talent.

Whereas Pakistan could easily field a team of:

1. Shan Masood (C)
2. Sami Aslam
3. Imran Butt
4. Babar Azam
5. Haider Ali
6. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
7. Shadab Khan
8. Zafar Gohar (Asia), Faheem Ashraf (SENA)
9. Shaheen Shah Afridi
10. Naseem Shah
11. Sajid Khan (Asia), Haris Rauf (SENA)

That’s a very respectable team.
 
Everything that is bad about the current team is OLD PLAYERS.

The guys under 30 who have played in this series have all done fine:

Babar Azam
Mohammad Rizwan
Shadab Khan
Naseem Shah
Shaheen Shah Afridi

The five guys under 30 are the only ones who need to be in this team - and they have been perfectly fine.

The problem is geriatrics who don’t perform.
 
Decent crop of test quicks if all were fit and available, three in the current team alongside Amir/Hassan would be a solid 5 options.

One good test batsman in Babar and Rizwan keeps well.

Shadab at 21 has promise as a test level all-rounder, he is improving.
 
Everything that is bad about the current team is OLD PLAYERS.

The guys under 30 who have played in this series have all done fine:

Babar Azam
Mohammad Rizwan
Shadab Khan
Naseem Shah
Shaheen Shah Afridi

The five guys under 30 are the only ones who need to be in this team - and they have been perfectly fine.

The problem is geriatrics who don’t perform.

Doesn't really matter when you inject so much mediocrity into the team, the overall team becomes mediocre where you're just hoping and praying one of the youngsters will bail the team out.
 
Doesn't really matter when you inject so much mediocrity into the team, the overall team becomes mediocre where you're just hoping and praying one of the youngsters will bail the team out.

But those youngsters have a far better record this last year or two than Azhar, Shafiq and Yasir.
 
But those youngsters have a far better record this last year or two than Azhar, Shafiq and Yasir.

Not Yasir - I’ll keep correcting it, since it looks personal to you that Yasir is much better Test cricketer than Shadab. He has won a Test for PAK in UAE, against NZ - one of few meaningful Tests that PAK has won in last two years.
 
Not Yasir - I’ll keep correcting it, since it looks personal to you that Yasir is much better Test cricketer than Shadab. He has won a Test for PAK in UAE, against NZ - one of few meaningful Tests that PAK has won in last two years.

Imagine if Shadab got a century in Australia how Junaids would have reacted.
 
Not Yasir - I’ll keep correcting it, since it looks personal to you that Yasir is much better Test cricketer than Shadab. He has won a Test for PAK in UAE, against NZ - one of few meaningful Tests that PAK has won in last two years.
Yasir was terrible in Australia and South Africa, and deeply mediocre at home v Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.
 
Yasir was terrible in Australia and South Africa, and deeply mediocre at home v Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

No, PAK was terrible in Australia and South Africa, Yasir was part of it. Or other way, he couldn’t pull a massively over rated and over hyped mediocre bunch on his shoulders in Australia & South Africa which resulted some of the ludicrously one sided Tests between established teams. That was made even more pathetic considering SRL beat same SAF 2-0 a month latter after SAF cost CSAF 6 pay days out of 15 against PAK, you may know how.

Even then, Yasir was the second best batsman in Australia after Babar ..... that should tell lot about the talent in PAK team. Against SRL & BD - he was just not required - that’s the sign of a mediocre team - pounces on easy meal, hides away when the contest is tough.

He is the MVP of PAK Test team - I am a fan of PAK cricket, but not fanatic, I know true value of Yasir and what his contribution to PAK Test cricket.
 
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With the likes of Azhar and Asad in the team, and mediocre all rounders like Shadab, the team is garbage.
 
No, PAK was terrible in Australia and South Africa, Yasir was part of it. Or other way, he couldn’t pull a massively over rated and over hyped mediocre bunch on his shoulders in Australia & South Africa which resulted some of the ludicrously one sided Tests between established teams. That was made even more pathetic considering SRL beat same SAF 2-0 a month latter after SAF cost CSAF 6 pay days out of 15 against PAK, you may know how.

Even then, Yasir was the second best batsman in Australia after Babar ..... that should tell lot about the talent in PAK team. Against SRL & BD - he was just not required - that’s the sign of a mediocre team - pounces on easy meal, hides away when the contest is tough.

He is the MVP of PAK Test team - I am a fan of PAK cricket, but not fanatic, I know true value of Yasir and what his contribution to PAK Test cricket.

I think [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] has something against spinners in general. Still remember him saying Lyon is the weak link in australian bowling, where as it is pretty clear that Lyon is the 2d best bowler in the side after Cummins and possibly importance wise even more valuable than Cummins.
 
Not Yasir - I’ll keep correcting it, since it looks personal to you that Yasir is much better Test cricketer than Shadab. He has won a Test for PAK in UAE, against NZ - one of few meaningful Tests that PAK has won in last two years.

No, PAK was terrible in Australia and South Africa, Yasir was part of it. Or other way, he couldn’t pull a massively over rated and over hyped mediocre bunch on his shoulders in Australia & South Africa which resulted some of the ludicrously one sided Tests between established teams. That was made even more pathetic considering SRL beat same SAF 2-0 a month latter after SAF cost CSAF 6 pay days out of 15 against PAK, you may know how.

Even then, Yasir was the second best batsman in Australia after Babar ..... that should tell lot about the talent in PAK team. Against SRL & BD - he was just not required - that’s the sign of a mediocre team - pounces on easy meal, hides away when the contest is tough.

He is the MVP of PAK Test team - I am a fan of PAK cricket, but not fanatic, I know true value of Yasir and what his contribution to PAK Test cricket.
No, Yasir Shah was terrible in Australia and South Africa.

In South Africa:
Yasir Shah took 1 wicket in 2 Tests at an average of 123.00.

Shadab Khan took 4 wickets in 1 Test at 20.00. (And averaged 52 with the bat).
 
No, Yasir Shah was terrible in Australia and South Africa.

In South Africa:
Yasir Shah took 1 wicket in 2 Tests at an average of 123.00.

Shadab Khan took 4 wickets in 1 Test at 20.00. (And averaged 52 with the bat).

You want me to post other PAK players figure in Australia & SAF? Shadab was Damon lucky that he wasn’t picked for the Australian Tests.

I give you another stat since you are in this line - together they have played two Tests so far : Yasir has taken 17 wickets for 343, and scored 66 runs.... Shadab Khan has 3 wickets for 192 (not going to the name of his wickets for a reason) and scored 77 runs.

.......

I said, it’s personal, otherwise haven’t seen anyone to use manipulative data so much to down play a truly world class player.
 
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Quality
I don't think anyone can dispute the fact that the current Pakistan test team lacks serious quality, not just in batting but in bowling as well. We have been fed with this nonsense for the last 20-30 years that Pakistan just needs to put runs on the board somehow and the bowlers will do the rest. The truth is that our bowling quality is as worse as our batting, maybe even worse. A Test team cannot simply compete with 8 or 9 average players in a starting lineup. Which is what the current Pakistan team has. In the 90's we constantly heard the quote for the Indian Test team that they are "lions at home, lambs abroad" which was very true as they had 8-9 average players playing a Test match. Until Pakistan ups the quality both in bowling and batting, expect Pakistan to remain at par with the likes of SL and WI.

Depth
No depth at all. The fact that the likes of Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq have played so long is because the depth of our cricket is so shallow that you don't have any outstanding talent coming up to displace them. Yeah people will point out how Fawad Alam was discriminated against, but you have to see if there really was a place for him in the first place. You had a strong middle order of Azhar, Younis, Misbah who were scoring runs from 2010-2017, so the only contention you can make is Fawad in place of Asad at number 6. But Asad was averaging close to 45 at number 6. Fawad wouldn't have bettered Asad's numbers in that period. A team will only become strong once there is depth in your cricket and you can seamlessly replace a non-performing member with a new player from the domestic. There is no such luxury in Pakistan cricket at the moment which is why Azhar and Asad gets the long rope that they, to be fair, don't deserve.

Strengths & Weaknesses
Unfortunately, the list is empty for strengths and pages long for weaknesses. I really don't have any strength to list down for the current Test team. 4 years ago, our strength was UAE where Misbah had cultivated and moulded the team to wear out opposition time after time. Even that strength is gone now.

In terms of weaknesses, I'll just list 3 for now:

1) No counter-attacking batsman at number 7:
Number 7 is a critical batting position in Test cricket. Modern Test cricket requires a punchy player at number 7. It cannot be a Jack Russell or Ian Healy type player. Period. Most teams have a WK that can potentially change the complexion of the match in an hour or a session. Pakistan doesn't have that luxury. We thought Sarfraz could be that catalyst when he made those centuries in the UAE against Aus and NZ at a glorious SR. But then his WK was horrible and the subsequent loss of batting means we are again stuck with no counter-attacking batsman.

2) A solid number 3 player:
Again great teams will have a number 3 that will almost always be the difference in the team making 350+ or getting 250 or below. You look at NZ with Kane, Aus with Labuschagne, Eng with Root, SA with Amla (when SA were a great team), India with Pujara - the common theme lies in having a great number 3 player. Currently, our number 3 averages less than our number 8 batsman. I'm tempted to suggest Haider Ali to become the number 3 player long time but I believe he's too flashy and may not be able to do justice to the number 3 position.

3) Captaincy:
People hate upon Misbah, but you cannot discount his impact as a captain. Most wins as Pakistan captain cannot come simply because of luck. He was a shrewd tactician and really understood the game to make UAE a fortress as long as it was. Currently, we have a mediocre captain and even beyond him, it doesn't look like we may get a shrewd captain. Babar doesn't strike to me as someone who can influence a game with his captaincy. I always believe that if you want to find a captain, then look for a player who has great match awareness skills when he's batting or bowling. If a batsman gets out to a hook shot with 3 fielders on the boundary especially put for the hook shot, DO NOT ever make him captain even if he's Don Bradman. Do you see any player in the current Test team that looks sharp on match awareness? I can't.

Leaders
No leaders at all in the team. And leaders just doesn't mean captaincy. Kohli was a leader even when he wasn't a captain. Ashwin is a leader even though he isn't a captain. A leader is someone who people can look up to at a certain point in time in the game and go, "yeah that man is going to make us win". Pakistan has been bereft of leaders for a long long time. Probably the last great leader we had was Wasim Akram. You could always look up to him and think, yeah we can still get something from the game. All is not lost. Currently, we are terribly short of leaders.

To sum it up, I would say Pakistan are rightly placed at number 7 in the rankings. We are just par with SL and WI. We can spring a surprise here and there but the odds are very less.
 
One of the biggest problems is a lack of mental toughness amongst our current players.

Over the years Pakistan has had players who would fight to the end either with bat or ball to rescue a match or win a match. When the going got tough, these guys would show up and perform.

Unfortunately these days, when the going gets tough, most of our players go into hiding.

Soft characters and mentally weak who have been in the shadow of others and hiding behind others throughout their careers.
 
One of the biggest problems is a lack of mental toughness amongst our current players.

Over the years Pakistan has had players who would fight to the end either with bat or ball to rescue a match or win a match. When the going got tough, these guys would show up and perform.

Unfortunately these days, when the going gets tough, most of our players go into hiding.

Soft characters and mentally weak who have been in the shadow of others and hiding behind others throughout their careers.

Exactly say — mental toughness. It was a feature of sides in the 80s. Absolutely key — the sides of the 70s were more talented, but lacked toughness and often failed to capitalise on winning positions.
Australians seem to be over blessed in this department
 
That last session today showed what is lacking:

A lack of leadership
Naive tactics
Drooped shoulders
Heads bowed
Players looking around for inspiration - nothing in response
 
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Yasir is the only potential match-winner. Abbas and Babar are the only two who perform consistently

The other 8 range anywhere from 'totally useless' to 'occasional performers' to 'raw talent not quite ready'

Pakistan team has always had passengers, I don't know that I have every seen a ratio this bad
 
Our biggest problem has always been we always go back to the same old faces, you have young players in the team, stick with them, don’t be afraid of adding more young players, even if it means we struggle for a year or two that’s the only way they will gain experience, hopefully with the new domestic structure in place players with talent and mentality will come through!
 
Worst pakistan test side ive seen in 33 years of watching test cricket. 1 top class batsmen, decent keeper and an honest bowling attack.

The fact azhar, asad are still in side says it all.
 
With the likes of Azhar and Asad in the team, and mediocre all rounders like Shadab, the team is garbage.

To be fair to Shadab, hes done better than both. Azhar still needs 23 runs to overtake the number of runs Shadab has made in this series despite only playing the first test.

My challenge to Azhar is, can he do it in the 1st innings of this test?
 
Worst pakistan test side ive seen in 33 years of watching test cricket. 1 top class batsmen, decent keeper and an honest bowling attack.

The fact azhar, asad are still in side says it all.

Well, I’ve watched 46 years of Pakistan in England. The 1978 team was the worst. Mudassar Nazar came on as first change “fast” bowler and they were truly humiliated by England
 
Pakistan current ranking about right, but the standard of test cricket around the world and in this current series suggests that the gap between all the major teams is not big
 
Well, I’ve watched 46 years of Pakistan in England. The 1978 team was the worst. Mudassar Nazar came on as first change “fast” bowler and they were truly humiliated by England

You mean this side ?

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...kistan-1st-test-pakistan-tour-of-england-1978

The bowling looks awful but the batting at least on paper looks decent with Javed Miandad, Wasim Raja, Mohsin Khan, Mudassar Nazar and Sadiq Mohammad. While we have Azhar and Asad hogging the 3 and 5 positions.

Plus they had the excuse of being depleted by Packer. We are currently at full strength and have been diabolical home and away for 3 years in Test cricket bar the odd win vs weak teams.
 
I remember when the 2010 squad was announced(which was terrible)and even than people called it the worst side ever to tour England. And it was, as Kamran was vice captain and baring Salman Butt, the batting line up was a joke.

Ijaz Butt would later on bring Yousuf
 
That last session today showed what is lacking:

A lack of leadership
Naive tactics
Drooped shoulders
Heads bowed
Players looking around for inspiration - nothing in response

The team has competed OK in England considering that it contains 3 geriatric passengers (plus Fawad). And Waqar has clearly got no bowling plans for anyone.

Over the last 2 years:
Mohammad Abbas averages 37 with the ball.
Yasir Shah averages 50 with the ball.
Azhar Ali averages 20 with the bat.

Yasir Shah is on target to yet again take 3-180 in an innings. How can the strategy be to have to bring him on after 10 overs instead of a fourth quick?

Yasir bowls some lovely balls. But time and again in SENA he goes for over 100 runs.
 
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To illustrate what I mean about the 2021-23 cycle, just compare with New Zealand.

Taylor and Wagner will be gone.

Boult and Southee and Watling will continue to deteriorate further.

Pakistanis deride Shadab as a bits and pieces player, but Santner makes him look like Sobers or Shakib!

Jameson is the only new talent.

Whereas Pakistan could easily field a team of:

1. Shan Masood (C)
2. Sami Aslam
3. Imran Butt
4. Babar Azam
5. Haider Ali
6. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
7. Shadab Khan
8. Zafar Gohar (Asia), Faheem Ashraf (SENA)
9. Shaheen Shah Afridi
10. Naseem Shah
11. Sajid Khan (Asia), Haris Rauf (SENA)

That’s a very respectable team.

But the way you hype it, it seems like they have won the 2023 World Cup already.
 
You mean this side ?

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...kistan-1st-test-pakistan-tour-of-england-1978

The bowling looks awful but the batting at least on paper looks decent with Javed Miandad, Wasim Raja, Mohsin Khan, Mudassar Nazar and Sadiq Mohammad. While we have Azhar and Asad hogging the 3 and 5 positions.

Plus they had the excuse of being depleted by Packer. We are currently at full strength and have been diabolical home and away for 3 years in Test cricket bar the odd win vs weak teams.

Yes, that was them. Looking at it “on paper” you’re right, the batting doesn’t look too bad. But I remember they really showed no fight and were bowled out for about a 100 in one innings when Botham destroyed them swinging the ball all over the place.

Maybe it’s age :-) I was young then had high expectations — now, after all these years I have become more phlegmatic (?realistic) about our chances
 
People need to be patient with this young amd inexperienced Pakistani team. They have raw talent and will get better with time.

Imagine Masood, Abid, Naseem, Shaheen, Yasir, Abbass in two years
 
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