How does Shubman Gill compare with upcoming or current crop of Pakistan batters?

[Champ_Pal]

Probably Saim Ayub at some point, once he gets his game in order.

Saim Ayub must be compared to Jaiswal. Not Gill. Shubman is in a different league altogether.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Gill even in the under-19 batch he played stood well above everyone else. Infact still considered the best under-19 find ever that including Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan, Yuvraj.

 

[MP2011]

Hope Gill scores some good runs in WTC final, that's count for something.

These tons are good for his IPL team owners though.

 

[Aman]

No one in the Pakistani squad is close to his talent..

 

[MenInG]

And to think Haider Ali was supposed to be a Shubman Gill equivalent from Pakistan!

 

[angrypathan]

And to think Haider Ali was supposed to be a Shubman Gill equivalent from Pakistan!

Haider was debuted too early. Batsman have to play at least 2 complete first class seasons to figure out their game and how to build an innings

 

[Cric_lover4487]

I don't like to compare players because every player is different but to be honest I really liked Haider Ali the first time i saw him play. Last time i watched him bat, he played like a tailender.

 

[Mockingbird]

Man, India is blessed to have all these generational players. Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Kohli and now the Shubhman era.

 

[Firebat]

Forget Pakistan, at the moment this guy would walk into most white-ball sides in the world

 

[Mamoon]

He is comfortably better than Babar and it is delusional to argue otherwise. He is extraordinary.

 

[Justcrazy]

Gill even in the under-19 batch he played stood well above everyone else. Infact still considered the best under-19 find ever that including Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan, Yuvraj.

We need to see him more at International level , talented no doubt , he is not using force , its very graceful. But India had other very promising youngsters who faded away.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

On one hand, Indian T20 batting force looks scary
You’ve got
Rohit
Kohli
Gill
SRK
Pandya and whatnot

But then, they are mostly tigers at home and scary cats abroad.

There is also a trend of falling with the same speed with which they rose up.

Gill seems like a classy batsman who is in good form - how long this form lasts and how he performs abroad, should give us a better idea.

For now, yes indeed he looks very classy and easy on the eyes. Great technique and talent seems to be evident. All the best to him.

 

[RajBan]

On one hand, Indian T20 batting force looks scary
You’ve got
Rohit
Kohli
Gill
SRK
Pandya and whatnot

But then, they are mostly tigers at home and scary cats abroad.

There is also a trend of falling with the same speed with which they rose up.

Gill seems like a classy batsman who is in good form - how long this form lasts and how he performs abroad, should give us a better idea.

For now, yes indeed he looks very classy and easy on the eyes. Great technique and talent seems to be evident. All the best to him.

Your comment includes the reasons for failure. Players like Rohit and Kohli are outdated in current T20 but has been glorified and force fitted via corporate backing ahead of players from younger generation who can do better. No doubt India is such a **** performer in crunch matches as their selection has been aweful in last 7-8 years.

 

[Ab Fan]

Shubhman Gill is destined to be among the 100 greatest batsman of all-time.

 

[Aman]

Shubhman Gill is destined to be among the 100 greatest batsman of all-time.

Second most talented Indian batsmen I've seen in my lifetime.

He has more gears than Kohli and if he lives up to his potential he should end up as India's second greatest batsmen.

 

[Aman]

He is comfortably better than Babar and it is delusional to argue otherwise. He is extraordinary.

Where do you think he'll finish in terms of India's greatest?

 

[Rajdeep]

Second most talented Indian batsmen I've seen in my lifetime.

He has more gears than Kohli and if he lives up to his potential he should end up as India's second greatest batsmen.

Who is the first?

 

[cricketjoshila]

We need to see him more at International level , talented no doubt , he is not using force , its very graceful. But India had other very promising youngsters who faded away.

Which ones faded away?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Shubhman Gill is destined to be among the 100 greatest batsman of all-time.

He needs to keep developing himself. Like he developed his power game.

 

[jnaveen1980]

We need to see him more at International level , talented no doubt , he is not using force , its very graceful. But India had other very promising youngsters who faded away.

Any player that has work ethic is destined to be succesful. He has incredible work ethic like Kohli. His father has molded him nicely from a very young age. Talent becomes waste when there is no work ethic.

 

[Justcrazy]

Which ones faded away?

Many made good starts but could not continue or even after performing well at domestic cricket did not get chance .

 

[Justcrazy]

Any player that has work ethic is destined to be succesful. He has incredible work ethic like Kohli. His father has molded him nicely from a very young age. Talent becomes waste when there is no work ethic.

We will see , its too early to compare him with Kohli , Kohli has a big legacy behind him .

 

[jnaveen1980]

We will see , its too early to compare him with Kohli , Kohli has a big legacy behind him .

It is a case of passing the baton. Transition is inevitable. This is how all great batsmen announce themselves. He is going to play for India for a long time. Nothing stopping that except himself. Kohli started his career. He struggled in Tests. Got dropped. Came back with a bang after fixing a few issues. Also improved his fitness dramatically. Pretty much what Gill is doing. He was a skinny guy when he started. Kohli was a chubby guy.

 

[Ab Fan]

He needs to keep developing himself. Like he developed his power game.

Ofcourse that stands true as far as achieving greatness is concerned.

 

[Ab Fan]

Second most talented Indian batsmen I've seen in my lifetime.

He has more gears than Kohli and if he lives up to his potential he should end up as India's second greatest batsmen.

I agree he is more talented than Kohli but ultimately it is just the start of his career and hence a long way to go to even predict how far he can go.

 

[Ab Fan]

Which ones faded away?

Among the most hyped ones, KL Rahul and Shaw.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I agree he is more talented than Kohli but ultimately it is just the start of his career and hence a long way to go to even predict how far he can go.

He has admitted his father manages his finance to make sure he is not getting carried away. Tendulkar/Kohli one common thing. They worked very hard on their batting off the field. Kohli did atleast in the early part of his career. Gill belongs to that category. Guys like Sehwag/Pant are absolute natural. They may not even need to practice. Fantastically instinctive. Gill is a bit more methodical. Also he will be given a nice environment where he can keep getting better.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Among the most hyped ones, KL Rahul and Shaw.

KL yes.

Shaw was always technically weak. It was always pointed out.

 

[shamaan]

Where do you think he'll finish in terms of India's greatest?

In tests not in the top 5.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ofcourse that stands true as far as achieving greatness is concerned.

KL

Rahane

Both lost their test match technique when they improved their T20 power game.

The best test batters in the world, Smith Labuschagne Williamson Root, aren't v good in T20Is.

Only exception is Kohli. Kohli though has a power game, never became a six hitter. But is a boundary hitter.

 

[Ab Fan]

KL

Rahane

Both lost their test match technique when they improved their T20 power game.

The best test batters in the world, Smith Labuschagne Williamson Root, aren't v good in T20Is.

Only exception is Kohli. Kohli though has a power game, never became a six hitter. But is a boundary hitter.

ABD is an exception too, probably due to being a freakish player. 50 averaging test batsman and a high strike rate LOI player capable of hitting bowlers in death overs. Similarly, Pietersen had similar game.

KL also has power game, maybe he does well at #5 in Tests but he is simply not hitting any purple patch let alone a peak.

 

[cricketjoshila]

ABD is an exception too, probably due to being a freakish player. 50 averaging test batsman and a high strike rate LOI player capable of hitting bowlers in death overs. Similarly, Pietersen had similar game.

KL also has power game, maybe he does well at #5 in Tests but he is simply not hitting any purple patch let alone a peak.

KL is done. 49 tests. Batting avg 34.

He should not be near the Indian team...He is being selected because his Father in law runs a PR for him and he is the coach's blue eyed boy.

 

[Ali Active]

I have seen his interviews looks a classy guy who is focused on his game and in what he does. he will easily replace Rohit sharma. He still has to prove himself in tests though.

 

[Hitman]

KL is done. 49 tests. Batting avg 34.

He should not be near the Indian team...He is being selected because his Father in law runs a PR for him and he is the coach's blue eyed boy.

It hurts me everytime I see him in the playing 11. What a waste of talent!

 

[FearlessRoar]

Current Rating of Babar Azam in ODI ranking is 857 and Shubman Gill has 814. India has ODI series against Australia before commencement of world cup 2023. Gill has chances to surpass Babar in ODI ranking

 

[hassan918]

He is right up there with the best at the moment and he will be a key player for India in the upcoming World Cup. I would predict him as one of the top 3 run scorers in this World Cup.

 

[Justcrazy]

Gill is far ahead of any Pakistan batsmen coming up. His temperament to play big knocks across formats is something pakistan batsmen do not have.

 

[MenInG]

Recovers from dengue fever - walks into a high pressure game - flays the Pakistan bowling attack.

What a player

 

[Bhaijaan]

Another test century for Gill

Although against a minnow cricket nation but still this will boost his confidence for the much more important BG series.

 

[Bhaijaan]

In the current lot Saim Ayub, Abdullah Shafiq and Babar Azam are his direct competitors.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

He's far and beyond most current batters in Pakistan

 

[JaDed]

Will be remembered as selfish as Babar if he continues this way.

 

[pillionrider]

Will be remembered as selfish as Babar if he continues this way.

bro wat lol. This is a Gambhir move obviously. To try and make Bazball play out of their comfort zone going for a draw.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Will be remembered as selfish as Babar if he continues this way.

How is he selfish. He made 161 in 162 balls. Declaration was purely done by Gambhir and co.

 

[Katwalindian]

Don't look much into this hundreds, this is literally one of worse England attack I have ever seen in test cricket on flattest deck in history of England.....he will flop as usual in South africa and new zealand swinging conditions...

 

[IAJ]

Don’t know about the future but currently no Pakistani batsmen is close to him.

After Tendulkar, Viru, VVS you got Dhoni, Kohli and Rohit, and now you have Gill, Pant etc, and I am sure there will come better players after these also. Just look at the young lad destroying England u19. Plenty of batting talent in India.

 

[Rajdeep]

Don’t know about the future but currently no Pakistani batsmen is close to him.

After Tendulkar, Viru, VVS you got Dhoni, Kohli and Rohit, and now you have Gill, Pant etc, and I am sure there will come better players after these also. Just look at the young lad destroying England u19. Plenty of batting talent in India.

India produces raw talent in batting and Pakistan produces raw talent in fast bowling. The only difference is India manages and nurtures the talents well where as Pakistan mismanages them.

 

[Buffet]

Super flat track and not a good bowling attack - Gill has 585 runs in 2 tests.

Around 200 more runs in 3 tests and he can be the highest run getter in away series among all Asian batsmen.

 

[Bhaijaan]

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Super flat track and not a good bowling attack - Gill has 585 runs in 2 tests.

Around 200 more runs in 3 tests and he can be the highest run getter in away series among all Asian batsmen.

He has a realistic chance of breaking into Top 5 highest run getters all time in a test series

 

[Devadwal]

He has a realistic chance of breaking into Top 5 highest run getters all time in a test series

839 is Third highest score in a series , this can be break by gill.

Bradman - 974
Hammond - 904
Tayler - 839

First two was in 1930 during the amateur era of cricket.

 

[sweep_shot]

Don't look much into this hundreds, this is literally one of worse England attack I have ever seen in test cricket on flattest deck in history of England.....he will flop as usual in South africa and new zealand swinging conditions...

Agree.

This doesn't tell much. He faced rookie bowlers on very flat pitches.

 

[Hellion]

He is better than all current Pakistani Test and ODI batters, let alone upcoming ones.

He was already better than Babar in ODIs but now he is going past him in Tests as well.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Agree.

This doesn't tell much. He faced rookie bowlers on very flat pitches.

Shanto is better

 

[jnaveen1980]

Shanto is better

Gill played under-19 in 2018. Look where he is now. Even after 15 years Shanto will be like 20 levels below Gill.

 

[mominsaigol]

839 is Third highest score in a series , this can be break by gill.

Bradman - 974
Hammond - 904
Tayler - 839

First two was in 1930 during the amateur era of cricket.

It was not an amateur era. How do you know? Did you live through that era? What is with this rubbish assumption.

Bradman is the greatest of all time period. He is god everyone else is mortal

 

[charlie007]

It was not an amateur era. How do you know? Did you live through that era? What is with this rubbish assumption.

Bradman is the greatest of all time period. He is god everyone else is mortal

It’s a reasonable assumption to make. Most players played cricket not as a means to earn money- they were not employed by their cricket board but by other companies to earn their livelihood. You might want to be a little more open minded and leave some room for alternative arguments.

Here is a very good article about amateurs and professionals here which is an interesting read about how professionals were viewed as!!

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/rewind-to-1962-when-players-became-cricketers-591631?platform=amp

 

[JaDed]

Don't look much into this hundreds, this is literally one of worse England attack I have ever seen in test cricket on flattest deck in history of England.....he will flop as usual in South africa and new zealand swinging conditions...

Problem is Brook and Root played the same pitch and weren’t great at their home.

 

[Katwalindian]

Problem is Brook and Root played the same pitch and weren’t great at their home.

I am biggest shubnam fan but this is harsh truth and you will soon accept and acknowledge me

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

As of now Shubhman has done well in this series especially in the first two matches.

The problem is that he still hasn't scored runs on challenging pitches, twin failures in third tests showed me that technically he hasn't improved and will need a lot more work.

He can bat under pressure and has the hunger for big runs, technically needs more time to improve.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is currently ranked as 169th greatest test batsman of all time in my books. Let’s see how far he can go. Travis Head is sitting above him, ranked 150th in test rankings.

 

[jnaveen1980]

As of now Shubhman has done well in this series especially in the first two matches.

The problem is that he still hasn't scored runs on challenging pitches, twin failures in third tests showed me that technically he hasn't improved and will need a lot more work.

He can bat under pressure and has the hunger for big runs, technically needs more time to improve.

Lords was remotely a challenging pitch. His first innigns dismissals especially was a lapse in focus. He got disturbed by keeper standing up. Second innigns more due to pressure as India had to see off a session. He is better than that.

 

[Technics 1210]

Managed to capitalise on a flat wicket in England, without Broad and Jimmy.

He has a long way to go before he proves to be a MRF batsman.

BCCI were just gagging for one MRF sponsor after Kohli, they slapped the badge on the guy who has better stats.

This will not end well.

 

[captain.hansolo]

Man, India is blessed to have all these generational players. Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Kohli and now the Shubhman era.

It’s not luck. It’s cultivation of talent. We have had an extensive network of state team boards, lots of coaches and club houses. After some time you see the outcome.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Managed to capitalise on a flat wicket in England, without Broad and Jimmy.

He has a long way to go before he proves to be a MRF batsman.

BCCI were just gagging for one MRF sponsor after Kohli, they slapped the badge on the guy who has better stats.

This will not end well.

There is a reason why pakistan fans are not exactly the best in assessing batting potential. He was spotted way back in 2018 under-19 world cup. Till date he is the best under-19 batsman India has ever produced. Most of the players come through ranks. They don't get picked because they hit a couple of sixes in CPL.