How excited are Indian fans (or neutral fans) about the IPL?

[Ph_11]

If the T20 and ODI format is that easy to play and succeed in a whole lot of Purists Test cricketers would have also done well in T20. Fact is that it is not the case. The reverse is also not true. Personally I enjoy all formats of cricket. There is no doubt that the limited overs formats have enhanced Test Cricket. Otherwise the 70s and 80s brand of Draw infested Test Cricket would have long been dead.

Test cricket is dead. If you are not making mooney you have to close your shop. It is artfically being propped up by England and Australia. Unfortunately India's money is slowing down the demise of this terminal patient.

Like I have said million times before, if you love test cricket show it with your wallets.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Used to follow only the knockout phase earlier, but now I am following every match. Don't want to miss out on quality entertainment, given that cricket otherwise has become boring. Can't imagine my evenings without the IPL. Completes my day.

 

[Ph_11]

Sad part is that test cricket cannot compete headon so they try very subtle tricks like calling T20 as "Pajama Cricket", not proper cricket.

Junaids is an extremely intelligent poster and I have to give him credit for taking it a step further by calling it a "Gateway Drug". I could spot it what he was doing but that is fine.

People are so insecure about T 20 that they have to resort to silly name calling to demean it. If you like tests please watch those for five days and enjoy them. Dont like T20 turn the TV off.

At end of the day please dont ask T20 to subsidize your tests. That is the height of hypocrisy.

 

[Napa]

Test cricket is dead. If you are not making mooney you have to close your shop. It is artfically being propped up by England and Australia. Unfortunately India's money is slowing down the demise of this terminal patient.

Like I have said million times before, if you love test cricket show it with your wallets.

Do you have an actual source showing that Test cricket is losing money or is it just your wishful thinking?

 

[Ph_11]

Do you have an actual source showing that Test cricket is losing money or is it just your wishful thinking?

I dont have the actual numbers. Take a small crowd sample and the picture is clear.

 

[rollingstoned]

You are as opinionated as the guy who you have for your profile pic, and display as much prejudice and lack of common sense. IPL has gone from starting up maybe around 10 years ago to being a league with a large following and a plethora of well paid players. By every objective criteria it is very well run. And don't lecture cricket fans about professionalism, undoubtedly the worst run sport is football. FIFA is corrupt beyond belief and the rules of football need serious updating to fix the lack of scoring. One sits for 90 minutes, then 30 minutes more and what does one get? A penalty shootout like France-Italy 2006. A coin toss to decide the winner would be about as fair.

This post deserves a +1 for this.

 

[Napa]

I dont have the actual numbers. Take a small crowd sample and the picture is clear.

You do understand that Test cricket makes its money not from ticket sales but from TV advertising? Do you have any source for TV viewership?

 

[Ph_11]

You do understand that Test cricket makes its money not from ticket sales but from TV advertising? Do you have any source for TV viewership?

I do understand that. Google is your friend.

 

[USofA]

Do you have an actual source showing that Test cricket is losing money or is it just your wishful thinking?

I think all this talk about SAVING test cricket is proof enough. I do not hear/see any such things for T20 leagues. Also there have been instances when test series have been cancelled and replaced with ODI series because it was not financially viable. These things lead one to believe that interest in test cricket is dwindling.

I think the best way to find out once and for all is keep the finances seperate and have each format pay for expenses from each format's revenue.

 

[Thomaskutty]

I dont have the actual numbers. Take a small crowd sample and the picture is clear.

There is still life in the old dog yet ..an article on the cricket australia website says the recent ind-aus series drew the highest ever indian audience for a test series.

 

[Napa]

I do understand that. Google is your friend.

So basically you make statements without evidence and when asked for evidence reply that others should go find the evidence for themselves.

 

[Ph_11]

So basically you make statements without evidence and when asked for evidence reply that others should go find the evidence for themselves.

I dont want to do it. Like I said google it. I have stuff going on.

 

[Ph_11]

So basically you make statements without evidence and when asked for evidence reply that others should go find the evidence for themselves.

That was rude of me. I have been working all day and just dont want to look it up. Just ask yourself if tests were so popular why is there no test league?

 

[Ellipsism]

That was rude of me. I have been working all day and just dont want to look it up. Just ask yourself if tests were so popular why is there no test league?

Since when is a league the parameter for popularity?

The same can be said for OD cricket, why doesn't it have a league?

The answer is pretty obvious if you ask me, and it doesn't have anything to do with popularity.

 

[Tusker]

You are as opinionated as the guy who you have for your profile pic, and display as much prejudice and lack of common sense. IPL has gone from starting up maybe around 10 years ago to being a league with a large following and a plethora of well paid players. By every objective criteria it is very well run. And don't lecture cricket fans about professionalism, undoubtedly the worst run sport is football. FIFA is corrupt beyond belief and the rules of football need serious updating to fix the lack of scoring. One sits for 90 minutes, then 30 minutes more and what does one get? A penalty shootout like France-Italy 2006. A coin toss to decide the winner would be about as fair.

Thats one helluva cracking post !! Nice work.

 

[Slog]

Bro, what is your opinion of Test Cricket? Any idea when it will die?

its been dying since the 1975 WC apparently

but somehow its still here

the only threat t20s pose is to one day cricket not Test cricket

 

[Napa]

That was rude of me. I have been working all day and just dont want to look it up. Just ask yourself if tests were so popular why is there no test league?

Not a problem, thanks for your reply. I hear a lot about the decline of Test cricket. You may be right, but I also find that people watch a lot of it in Indian cities.

 

[Ph_11]

Since when is a league the parameter for popularity?

The same can be said for OD cricket, why doesn't it have a league?

The answer is pretty obvious if you ask me, and it doesn't have anything to do with popularity.

You have answered the question for me. OD does not have a league because there is no demand for it. It is the market forces that drive it.

 

[Ph_11]

Not a problem, thanks for your reply. I hear a lot about the decline of Test cricket. You may be right, but I also find that people watch a lot of it in Indian cities.

People do watch it but not at the same levels. BCCI has to move tests to small cities so that stadiums dont look depressing. It is going down.

In global economy people dont have time to get tied down for 5 days. Brits could get away with it as they had brown man working for them for free. No worries just play all day.

 

[Ph_11]

its been dying since the 1975 WC apparently

but somehow its still here

the only threat t20s pose is to one day cricket not Test cricket

Artifically propped up.

 

[Ph_11]

I just googled and checked. First hit shows a loss of 500,000 pounds for test against Pakistan in Edgbaston.
The problem is when they do proper book keeping and give a breakdown you will have better numbers.

 

[par]

its been dying since the 1975 WC apparently

but somehow its still here

the only threat t20s pose is to one day cricket not Test cricket

It's still here, because it lives off the money other formats make.

 

[Napa]

Thats one helluva cracking post !! Nice work.

Really funny thing is that I am related (a bit distantly) to the guy in the profile pic

 

[BeautifulGame]

IPL 2017 sees 40% jump in viewership over last year

Source

Emphatic answer : Indians fans are highly excited about IPL

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Agreed, but the same is true of England.

If you imagine a 6 month IPL season with Warner offered $5 million and Paris or Boland or Sean Abbott offered $800,000, I think you get a list like mine.

But I don't think there is ANY price at which Steve Smith or Kane Williamson or Mitchell Starc would accept a six month IPL contract until they are into their thirties.

That's the wrong question.

If things are done right as coming in the future, the players a tier lower than Steve Smith will be paid millions to play in an IPL, and considering their acceptance, Smith etc won't have anyone to play the alternative with!

 

[tomato]

Not sure why there is a question like whether IPL is excited or not even after most of other countries started thier own leagues.

 

[Junaids]

That's the wrong question.

If things are done right as coming in the future, the players a tier lower than Steve Smith will be paid millions to play in an IPL, and considering their acceptance, Smith etc won't have anyone to play the alternative with!

That could become a problem for New Zealand or South Africa, but not England or Australia.

Consider these numbers:

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/cric...nternational-mou-aca-ca-sutherland/2017-03-21

Average Australian international retainer: $816,000

Average Australian domestic contract without BBL: $235,000

Average BBL Top-up for international players: $629,000

These sums are significantly higher than AFL or NRL players of the same age earn. And if the thirtieth best Aussie player aged 25 has the choice of earning $600,000 - which is more than his AFL/NRL friends - and retaining an international future, or $2 million to live and play in India 6 months per year, he's not going to choose India.

In his mid-twenties he will be single and sleeping with a new celebrity or beauty every week, doing a few recreational substances with his mates who play AFL or NRL and generally partying in a way he cannot in India.

He will take the $600,000 - $4 million until he is 30, and probably settled down, then cash in India for 3 years at the end.

Young Aussie sportsmen aren't going to move to India while they're single. The money is generally viewed at that age as a way to attract girls, not as an end in itself.

 

[Napa]

These sums are significantly higher than AFL or NRL players of the same age earn. And if the thirtieth best Aussie player aged 25 has the choice of earning $600,000 - which is more than his AFL/NRL friends - and retaining an international future, or $2 million to live and play in India 6 months per year, he's not going to choose India.

In his mid-twenties he will be single and sleeping with a new celebrity or beauty every week, doing a few recreational substances with his mates who play AFL or NRL and generally partying in a way he cannot in India.

He will take the $600,000 - $4 million until he is 30, and probably settled down, then cash in India for 3 years at the end.

Young Aussie sportsmen aren't going to move to India while they're single. The money is generally viewed at that age as a way to attract girls, not as an end in itself.

This analysis is starting to remind me of your in-depth analysis of Pakistan's strategy for the day-night Test games.

India's GDP is growing at 7%+ a year, and that $2 million that you speak of could easily become $5 million in twenty years.

As for partying in India, I can only assume that you have never visited India, or if you have then the party people there didn't give you their time.

Do visit Bangalore sometimes and check out the lives of Western expats. There is a reason why they have to be dragged away from India kicking and screaming.

 

[Ph_11]

That could become a problem for New Zealand or South Africa, but not England or Australia.

Consider these numbers:

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/cric...nternational-mou-aca-ca-sutherland/2017-03-21

Average Australian international retainer: $816,000

Average Australian domestic contract without BBL: $235,000

Average BBL Top-up for international players: $629,000

These sums are significantly higher than AFL or NRL players of the same age earn. And if the thirtieth best Aussie player aged 25 has the choice of earning $600,000 - which is more than his AFL/NRL friends - and retaining an international future, or $2 million to live and play in India 6 months per year, he's not going to choose India.

In his mid-twenties he will be single and sleeping with a new celebrity or beauty every week, doing a few recreational substances with his mates who play AFL or NRL and generally partying in a way he cannot in India.

He will take the $600,000 - $4 million until he is 30, and probably settled down, then cash in India for 3 years at the end.

Young Aussie sportsmen aren't going to move to India while they're single. The money is generally viewed at that age as a way to attract girls, not as an end in itself.

No one said Australia and England would not survive. They are rich countires. Let us take the case of England, they still look at India to make money. There is just no interest in test cricket. Empire takes it a step further by holding CT in England and charging exorbitant amounts to hold it and make money. This money provides them with infrastructure and other things that they had no resources to build. Like I mentiomed befor empire has a 500 year history of looting and when BCCI questioned the costs they decided to show them their place and kicked BCCI out. They have propped themselves up by holding these tournaments where a poor person from India is subsidizing a rich person in England. Pretty clever but you guys have done it for a while that is why you are good at it.

That is another reason Empire does not want T 20 to succeed because if we go to once a four year tournament cricket would be dead in England.

 

[Junaids]

Test cricket is dead. If you are not making mooney you have to close your shop. It is artfically being propped up by England and Australia. Unfortunately India's money is slowing down the demise of this terminal patient.

Like I have said million times before, if you love test cricket show it with your wallets.

Whereas in England and Australia - and to a lesser extent New Zealand - Test cricket pays the bills and T20 matches sell out only because they are subsidised with tickets at a fraction of a cost of Test cricket.

The Pakistan series in Australia this summer broke every record for ground sales and TV audiences. Not ODIs.

In fact, in Australia it is ODI cricket which is on life support currently. The audience has vanished: the only people left are people from the subcontinent and drunken yobbos.

 

[Ph_11]

Whereas in England and Australia - and to a lesser extent New Zealand - Test cricket pays the bills and T20 matches sell out only because they are subsidised with tickets at a fraction of a cost of Test cricket.

The Pakistan series in Australia this summer broke every record for ground sales and TV audiences. Not ODIs.

In fact, in Australia it is ODI cricket which is on life support currently. The audience has vanished: the only people left are people from the subcontinent and drunken yobbos.

OD is in deep trouble. There is no room for that format.

I agree compare to ODI tests may have done better but not in comparison to T20. They need to do more transparent accounting to show how much money is being made. They hide that on purpose. There is no room for ODI.

If things were so great why would they keep on propping test cricket? Like I said England/Australia are a rich coutry they will be fine.

You have to look at the subtle things that ECB does. They way tey prop tests and OD but push T 20 to the background. Eventually free market will rule. The old soviet model of communism does not work.

 

[Junaids]

Sad part is that test cricket cannot compete headon so they try very subtle tricks like calling T20 as "Pajama Cricket", not proper cricket.

Junaids is an extremely intelligent poster and I have to give him credit for taking it a step further by calling it a "Gateway Drug". I could spot it what he was doing but that is fine.

People are so insecure about T 20 that they have to resort to silly name calling to demean it. If you like tests please watch those for five days and enjoy them. Dont like T20 turn the TV off.

At end of the day please dont ask T20 to subsidize your tests. That is the height of hypocrisy.

Firstly, this article shows that Cricket Australia views the Big Bash as a Gateway Drug to get new audiences into cricket, which is fine by me.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-18/cricket-australia-confident-bbl-will-continue-to-grow/8130370

Secondly, this article makes clear that in Australia, Test cricket reigns over T20, and subsidises it.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...in-battle-for-tv-ratings-20170105-gtmpss.html

 

[Junaids]

OD is in deep trouble. There is no room for that format.

I agree compare to ODI tests may have done better but not in comparison to T20. They need to do more transparent accounting to show how much money is being made. They hide that on purpose. There is no room for ODI.

If things were so great why would they keep on propping test cricket? Like I said England/Australia are a rich coutry they will be fine.

You have to look at the subtle things that ECB does. They way tey prop tests and OD but push T 20 to the background. Eventually free market will rule. The old soviet model of communism does not work.

My friend, to be honest what we have discovered in Australia is simple.

ODI and T20 had an artificial advantage over Tests because they were played when people weren't at school or at work.

As soon as Tests were moved to the same time slot, they slaughtered ODIs and T20s in terms of both gate receipts and TV viewership.

It turns out the public preferred Tests all along. But they were being played in the wrong time slot.

 

[Ph_11]

Firstly, this article shows that Cricket Australia views the Big Bash as a Gateway Drug to get new audiences into cricket, which is fine by me.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-18/cricket-australia-confident-bbl-will-continue-to-grow/8130370

Secondly, this article makes clear that in Australia, Test cricket reigns over T20, and subsidises it.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...in-battle-for-tv-ratings-20170105-gtmpss.html

Is this not little bit contradictory. If tests were so great why would kids not be introduced to tests. Why do they introduce them to T 20. They do that because one product sells and other does not.

Moreover like I mentioned in global economy no one can be tied for 5 days. Heck I never to go to stove anymore if microwave is within reach.

I have watched some great England teams in India play tests. It wass fun o watch those english players in the first morning with their blazers and stuff. They loved the crowd as they could not get packed stadiums in England and crowd loved those players. Trust me by day 4 I would have to drag myself to the stadium. Most of our entertainment would be shouting at each other, people throwing oranges at the outfield, telling jokes. No one watched the game.

It was tedious, it was boring. I rather see paint dry.

 

[Ph_11]

My friend, to be honest what we have discovered in Australia is simple.

ODI and T20 had an artificial advantage over Tests because they were played when people weren't at school or at work.

As soon as Tests were moved to the same time slot, they slaughtered ODIs and T20s in terms of both gate receipts and TV viewership.

It turns out the public preferred Tests all along. But they were being played in the wrong time slot.

Once again I dont know the accounting aspect of it so I wont question it.

The simple question I have is why would cricket Australia start Big Bash? Why would ECB try to establish a new T 20 league.

Answer choices:

(a) Out of goodness of their heart.

(b) So that people can compare it with test and go back to tests.

(c) Because there is money in it.

Hint: It is not a and b.

 

[Ph_11]

Not sure why there is a question like whether IPL is excited or not even after most of other countries started thier own leagues.

Jealousy.

 

[USofA]

Once again I dont know the accounting aspect of it so I wont question it.

The simple question I have is why would cricket Australia start Big Bash? Why would ECB try to establish a new T 20 league.

Answer choices:

(a) Out of goodness of their heart.

(b) So that people can compare it with test and go back to tests.

(c) Because there is money in it.

Hint: It is not a and b.

No question why all these T20 leagues are started/starting. There is demand for it. I am sure the research shows that people will spend their sports $$ in these leagues. They are not started as a charity. They are seen as a viable, marketable product that the fans will spend time and money on.

 

[Chrish]

What's the point of having this debate now ? The series is halfway through.. Save it for next year

 

[the Great Khan]

Is this not little bit contradictory. If tests were so great why would kids not be introduced to tests. Why do they introduce them to T 20. They do that because one product sells and other does not.

Moreover like I mentioned in global economy no one can be tied for 5 days. Heck I never to go to stove anymore if microwave is within reach.

I have watched some great England teams in India play tests. It wass fun o watch those english players in the first morning with their blazers and stuff. They loved the crowd as they could not get packed stadiums in England and crowd loved those players. Trust me by day 4 I would have to drag myself to the stadium. Most of our entertainment would be shouting at each other, people throwing oranges at the outfield, telling jokes. No one watched the game.

It was tedious, it was boring. I rather see paint dry.

im not sure you know much about test cricket in england but it gets pretty sold out most days..the recent series with pakistan was pretty much sold out and the counties get decent revenue hence why the test centre counties are generally the more powerful teams in the county championship...

 

[Chrish]

Recent ind-Aus series did pretty well in terms of numbers

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/tele...alia-india-test-series-kohli-smith/2017-04-13

 

[Tusker]

That could become a problem for New Zealand or South Africa, but not England or Australia.

Consider these numbers:

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/cric...nternational-mou-aca-ca-sutherland/2017-03-21

Average Australian international retainer: $816,000

Average Australian domestic contract without BBL: $235,000

Average BBL Top-up for international players: $629,000

These sums are significantly higher than AFL or NRL players of the same age earn. And if the thirtieth best Aussie player aged 25 has the choice of earning $600,000 - which is more than his AFL/NRL friends - and retaining an international future, or $2 million to live and play in India 6 months per year, he's not going to choose India.

In his mid-twenties he will be single and sleeping with a new celebrity or beauty every week, doing a few recreational substances with his mates who play AFL or NRL and generally partying in a way he cannot in India.

He will take the $600,000 - $4 million until he is 30, and probably settled down, then cash in India for 3 years at the end.

Young Aussie sportsmen aren't going to move to India while they're single. The money is generally viewed at that age as a way to attract girls, not as an end in itself.

Man you have some serious issues with India and anything connected to it ... don't you ? You must be joking if you think nightlife sucks in India .... for starters its not a theocratic Republic (like our neighbors) where Alcohol is banned. Secondly there is no comparison for the parties that the Bollywood + Business society throws. Guess you never heard of them. In short you have some serious stereo types that you need to get over !!

 

[Ph_11]

im not sure you know much about test cricket in england but it gets pretty sold out most days..the recent series with pakistan was pretty much sold out and the counties get decent revenue hence why the test centre counties are generally the more powerful teams in the county championship...

Most of the couties are not doing well. Lot of tests are at net loss. If there was so much money why are they popularizing T 20 leagues. The biggest grand daddy of this all is the heist that will happen this summer where they will charge some exorbitant rate to host CT. They are making money by questionable means.

Decent revenue is far from being lucarative. Big difference.

 

[Ph_11]

Recent ind-Aus series did pretty well in terms of numbers

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/tele...alia-india-test-series-kohli-smith/2017-04-13

The billion plus numbers were all Indians. If they dont play tests and focus on T20 that dries up.

 

[Chrish]

The billion plus numbers were all Indians. If they dont play tests and focus on T20 that dries up.

But they did watch and it didn't dry up..

 

[HitWicket]

No one said Australia and England would not survive. They are rich countires. Let us take the case of England, they still look at India to make money. There is just no interest in test cricket. Empire takes it a step further by holding CT in England and charging exorbitant amounts to hold it and make money. This money provides them with infrastructure and other things that they had no resources to build. Like I mentiomed befor empire has a 500 year history of looting and when BCCI questioned the costs they decided to show them their place and kicked BCCI out. They have propped themselves up by holding these tournaments where a poor person from India is subsidizing a rich person in England. Pretty clever but you guys have done it for a while that is why you are good at it.

That is another reason Empire does not want T 20 to succeed because if we go to once a four year tournament cricket would be dead in England.

According to a recent cricinfo article $20mn is allocated to cover what includes and is presumably made up predominantly by the host fees, member fees and prize money for the 2017 champions trophy. Given you're discussing 'the money England are charging to host the tournament' I'll assume you're talking about the host fee part of that $20mn budget.

Assuming at a bare minimum the prize money for the 2017 CT is the same as the 2013 CT that already takes $4mn off that figure leaving us at $16mn. I can't find a source for the member fees paid unfortunately but that will take away another chunk of that $16mn, meaning the ECB would be left with what is in reality peanuts relative to their annual turnover as the host fee they get paid which presumably also goes largely towards the expenses for running the tournament (which the ICC have not already covered) anyway.

 

[shaz619]

My younger brother seems to be interested in it being a fan of cricket he watches as much as he possibly can even the IPL nonsense

 

[Ph_11]

But they did watch and it didn't dry up..

Because the alternative was not on the plate. 6 month IPL will stop it. Once again it is Indian money, Indian viewers.

 

[Ph_11]

My younger brother seems to be interested in it being a fan of cricket he watches as much as he possibly can even the IPL nonsense

Your younger brother is lot smarter than some of the posters here.

 

[Ph_11]

According to a recent cricinfo article $20mn is allocated to cover what includes and is presumably made up predominantly by the host fees, member fees and prize money for the 2017 champions trophy. Given you're discussing 'the money England are charging to host the tournament' I'll assume you're talking about the host fee part of that $20mn budget.

Assuming at a bare minimum the prize money for the 2017 CT is the same as the 2013 CT that already takes $4mn off that figure leaving us at $16mn. I can't find a source for the member fees paid unfortunately but that will take away another chunk of that $16mn, meaning the ECB would be left with what is in reality peanuts relative to their annual turnover as the host fee they get paid which presumably also goes largely towards the expenses for running the tournament (which the ICC have not already covered) anyway.

This $ 20 mn is in the noise. It is the hundreds of millions that they are charging for infrastructure and BS. BCCI questioned that and they took them out. Empire has been taking money for hundreds of years. They are good at it.

On a lighter note hitwicket is the worst way of getting out. Could you have used the name slip so that everyone could have had fun. That is my attempt at humor.

 

[Ph_11]

Here is the link. An extra $135 mn.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...or-champions-trophy-in-uk-116090300326_1.html

 

[HitWicket]

Here is the link. An extra $135 mn.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...or-champions-trophy-in-uk-116090300326_1.html

Despite speculation of the Champions Trophy budget being upwards of US $100 million, it is understood that the overall budget for the quadrennial ICC tournament is less than $60 million. The total operational costs calculated for the Champions Trophy is about $23 million, while the fixed costs, which include host fee, member fee, prize money, is about $20 million.

Source : http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/1054575.html

 

[Chrish]

Because the alternative was not on the plate. 6 month IPL will stop it. Once again it is Indian money, Indian viewers.

why not accept the fact that not everyone wants to watch glamorized cheap circus all day everyday?

 

[shaz619]

I tuned into see Ben Stokes have a bowl, one thing's for sure inspite of how people might feel about the league and that is it changes the lives of man; even some of the journeymen. Sport in general can be very cruel, it's great to see these men get paid so well and live a compatible life; many come from deprived backgrounds or have struggled at some point.

 

[shaz619]

I tuned into see the first season of IPL, it was great to see much of the pak talent. Was a fan of KKR and supported them through all their ups and downs, once they won the league I stopped watching due to the T20 overkill and repetitiveness; what made me continue watching pass a certain point was in the hope of KKR winning the championship so even if they get hammered every season their win can't be taken away. The PSL is refreshing and enjoy getting a look at pak domestic talent which I don't always get to follow. Only watch IPL now if me bro has it on the telly but never go out my way to check it out besides KKR match scorecards.

 

[shaz619]

I suppose one of the intriguing factors about this years IPL are the England players, they have breathed a bit of life into the league. Maybe I should keep tabs on them. Often it has been difficult for them to participate but with management having a better outlook in general with regards to their cricket it's great that they have been open

 

[bleaf27]

I tuned into see the first season of IPL, it was great to see much of the pak talent. Was a fan of KKR and supported them through all their ups and downs, once they won the league I stopped watching due to the T20 overkill and repetitiveness; what made me continue watching pass a certain point was in the hope of KKR winning the championship so even if they get hammered every season their win can't be taken away. The PSL is refreshing and enjoy getting a look at pak domestic talent which I don't always get to follow. Only watch IPL now if me bro has it on the telly but never go out my way to check it out besides KKR match scorecards.

For any individual who is passionate about national level cricket , I guess the domestic T20 leagues offer glimpse into what is to come. I was IPL for the entertainment and camaraderie between international players performing together which you wouldn't be able to otherwise but I look forward to see the young and upcoming talent as well. Pandya Brothers , Pant , Jadhav , Rana -these kids I'v never seen them before and most likely I wouldn't have the time or the resources to watch domestic level cricket. IPL provides me with both.

 

[Ph_11]

I tuned into see the first season of IPL, it was great to see much of the pak talent. Was a fan of KKR and supported them through all their ups and downs, once they won the league I stopped watching due to the T20 overkill and repetitiveness; what made me continue watching pass a certain point was in the hope of KKR winning the championship so even if they get hammered every season their win can't be taken away. The PSL is refreshing and enjoy getting a look at pak domestic talent which I don't always get to follow. Only watch IPL now if me bro has it on the telly but never go out my way to check it out besides KKR match scorecards.

I think PSL is absolutely a step in the right direction. There is a strong interest in Pakistan and there is no doubt PSL will be successful. People can give it any name but mark my words after few seasons of PSL I can see Pakistan pretty much challenging every cricktet nation.

On a personal basis if IPL has to be very successful they need to get players from Pakistan too.

 

[Ph_11]

why not accept the fact that not everyone wants to watch glamorized cheap circus all day everyday?

Why dont you repeat this a million times so that it becomes a fact.

 

[Ph_11]

Source : http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/1054575.html

Thanks! Let me look into that.

 

[Junaids]

Once again I dont know the accounting aspect of it so I wont question it.

The simple question I have is why would cricket Australia start Big Bash? Why would ECB try to establish a new T 20 league.

Answer choices:

(a) Out of goodness of their heart.

(b) So that people can compare it with test and go back to tests.

(c) Because there is money in it.

Hint: It is not a and b.

d) As a gateway drug, to get young and unsophisticated boys and girls hooked on a simplified and colourful version of cricket. Once they are hooked on the dumbed-down T20 version, and accustomed to watching these players play T20 on TV or at the ground the hope is that they graduate up to ODI and Test cricket, with their massively greater ticket costs and advertising revenue slots.

 

[Ph_11]

d) As a gateway drug, to get young and unsophisticated boys and girls hooked on a simplified and colourful version of cricket. Once they are hooked on the dumbed-down T20 version, and accustomed to watching these players play T20 on TV or at the ground the hope is that they graduate up to ODI and Test cricket, with their massively greater ticket costs and advertising revenue slots.

Once again you have to resort to unsophisticated, hooked, simplified, dumbed-down type of words to demean T20 cricket. I dont know how much of old man's cricket you have watched but as I said before I rather see paint dry that that pathetic product.

BB and other T20 league is a wake up call for cricket. Slo Mo cricket is not working and moving forward we need T 20.

This behavior is the same as othet Englishman who try to convince me that Shakespear is the best. I have told them multiple times to have a shakespear play in one theatre and Godfather movie in the other. Guess which one will win.

You dont like T 20 that is fine. Kindly dont call names as that shows insecurity. If there is a technical aspect of T 20 please bring it up. We need to discuss that vigrously but teen age name calling is not good.

 

[Ph_11]

Source : http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/1054575.html

Here is the problem. The money allocated is so high. Why was allocation high is the main question.

http://indianexpress.com/article/sp...lion-for-champions-trophy-in-england-3011471/

 

[Ph_11]

The problem is the empire wants to build offices in London and this will pay for it. There is no explanation for the expenses.

 

[HitWicket]

Here is the problem. The money allocated is so high. Why was allocation high is the main question.

http://indianexpress.com/article/sp...lion-for-champions-trophy-in-england-3011471/

Still not sure how this counters Cricinfos understanding that only $60mn is allocated to the tournament with only a small part of that actually going to the ECB as host fee?

 

[Ph_11]

Still not sure how this counters Cricinfos understanding that only $60mn is allocated to the tournament with only a small part of that actually going to the ECB as host fee?

Problem is the empire wants to build a permanent structure in London for something. If London is so expensive why is the tournament not held in SL, BD, India or UAE to cut the costs down.

 

[HitWicket]

Problem is the empire wants to build a permanent structure in London for something. If London is so expensive why is the tournament not held in SL, BD, India or UAE to cut the costs down.

No, the ICC want an office to base the organising committees for the 3 ICC events in England in the next 3 years, which the most obvious thing to do when finished with it would be to sell and hand it on to either the ECB or keep it for the ICCs European office.

The 2nd question is just silly.

 

[USofA]

No, the ICC want an office to base the organising committees for the 3 ICC events in England in the next 3 years, which the most obvious thing to do when finished with it would be to sell and hand it on to either the ECB or keep it for the ICCs European office.

The 2nd question is just silly.

If it is a short term need, why not rent/lease. Why build?

 

[Ph_11]

No, the ICC want an office to base the organising committees for the 3 ICC events in England in the next 3 years, which the most obvious thing to do when finished with it would be to sell and hand it on to either the ECB or keep it for the ICCs European office.

The 2nd question is just silly.

If they are having three tournaments why dont they spend their own money. It is the case of empiire being empire and stealing money.

 

[Ph_11]

No, the ICC want an office to base the organising committees for the 3 ICC events in England in the next 3 years, which the most obvious thing to do when finished with it would be to sell and hand it on to either the ECB or keep it for the ICCs European office.

The 2nd question is just silly.

Why is 2nd question silly?

 

[HitWicket]

If it is a short term need, why not rent/lease. Why build?

Build was [MENTION=143230]Ph_11[/MENTION]'s word. You'd struggle to find land that isn't already built on in a relatively central location in London so the intention fairly clearly isn't to build a new office there.

 

[HitWicket]

If they are having three tournaments why dont they spend their own money. It is the case of empiire being empire and stealing money.

Because it's not the ECB who want a premesis. It's the ICC who want somewhere to house ICC staff to carry out ICC business. Why would the ECB pay for that?

 

[Ph_11]

Why is ICC want one in London. There is a office already in place. Why do thay have to be physically present. Why do they want $100 million. I am not convinced.

 

[HitWicket]

Why is ICC want one in London. There is a office already in place. Why do thay have to be physically present. Why do they want $100 million. I am not convinced.

Nope, the ICC don't currently have their own office in London. They want one their to send their employees (ICC employees, not ECB employees) to be based there during each of the 3 ICC events that are being organised there. The ECB aren't the ones that want the $60 milllion (not $100 million), that's what the ICC are setting aside for their own use for the tournament, only a fraction of that will get paid to the ECB as host fees as we looked at above.

 

[Ph_11]

Nope, the ICC don't currently have their own office in London. They want one their to send their employees (ICC employees, not ECB employees) to be based there during each of the 3 ICC events that are being organised there. The ECB aren't the ones that want the $60 milllion (not $100 million), that's what the ICC are setting aside for their own use for the tournament, only a fraction of that will get paid to the ECB as host fees as we looked at above.

Who controls the ICC? The Empire. Why should there be offices in London for 3 years? How many people do they want to staff there. I dont know the cost but a decent office for 10 people can be rented outside london for may be 10K a month. That is less than half a million over three years. Where I come from this is called a heist.

 

[Balthazar]

From second half it gets more interesting. The players will start to take things more serious and even fans can take a time off during first half, especially after India's busy home schedule.