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How far will Pakistan go at the ICC T20 World Cup 2021?

How far will Pakistan go at the T20 World Cup 2021?

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With a brand new coaching team and a WC squad selection that has shocked and infuriated many, a lot has changed just 48 days out from Pakistan's opening fixture against India.

Has recent events affected Pakistan's chances at this upcoming tournament?

How far do you think Pakistan will reach at the T20 WC?
 
Reminder that there are 2 groups of 6 (called Super 12). The top 2 from each group advance to the semi-finals.
 
Tbh, it's not a bad selection at all. Fakhar will travel with the squad we can include him at any stage of WC. I believe we are strong enough to reach semi's.
 
There’s no way we’re making it out of the GS.

Rashid Khan’s Afghanistan will rip through our PATHETIC SHAMBOLIC ABYSMAL HORRIFIC batting line up.

I expect Bangladesh and India to go through to the next stage, UNLESS we change our squad by the 10th October.

I’d rather have Sharjeel and Fakhar in the middle over Khushdil and Asif.
 
vs IND - Massive hammering
vs NZ - Anybody's game - We will make it imo by strangling them down with our spin options.
vs AFG - 60-40 in our favor - We will make it coz our batting is wayyyyy superior
vs Other 2 teams - We will easily win

So it could be either 4 Victories 1 Loss at best or 3 Victories 2 Loss in case we bottle it up against NZL/Afg. Getting a feel that NZ will edge us on NRR basis and it'll be yet another NRR based heart breaking exit.
 
Our inability to play (quality) spin makes me very pessimist for this one.

So,

Brain: Group exit ( We will struggle to win 2 or 3 games in groups )

Heart: Winners (in the final against India after delivering them an epic phainta in group game, Babar Azam wins it with a huge 6 in the 20th over! :afridi )
 
06th place although I think it would be better if they didn't even turn up to the event.
 
The role of a coach is significantly overblown in international cricket, so I doubt Misbah leaving would have any impact on how Pakistan does at the World T20.

I would be pleasantly surprised if they make it out of the group stage regardless who is coach.
 
Looking at the squad that has been selected, they will do very well to get out of the group stage.

I fear an early exit.
 
Full of chaos at the moment, but these are the times when you just know that Pakistan will somehow win the entire tournament out of the blue.
 
Till Dubai , in the ground and back. Will be surprised if Pakistan win a single game
 
YousafTheBeast said:
There’s no way we’re making it out of the GS.

Rashid Khan’s Afghanistan will rip through our PATHETIC SHAMBOLIC ABYSMAL HORRIFIC batting line up.

I expect Bangladesh and India to go through to the next stage, UNLESS we change our squad by the 10th October.

I’d rather have Sharjeel and Fakhar in the middle over Khushdil and Asif.
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be fair to your name. Yousaf will never have openers in the middle order and middle order players as openers
 
YousafTheBeast said:
There’s no way we’re making it out of the GS.

Rashid Khan’s Afghanistan will rip through our PATHETIC SHAMBOLIC ABYSMAL HORRIFIC batting line up.

I expect Bangladesh and India to go through to the next stage, UNLESS we change our squad by the 10th October.

I’d rather have Sharjeel and Fakhar in the middle over Khushdil and Asif.
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For the first time, I agree with you over Sharjeel's selection.

He might be unfit and a waste of space on the field, but he has batting credentials which neither Khushdil nor Asif have.

Mohammad Wasim should be sacked immediately. Keeps persisting with Asif the Northern player.

If people can't see this right now, I doubt they'll ever see it. Mohammad Wasim is a downright horrendous selector who should be sacked.
 
Jeetlodil said:
be fair to your name. Yousaf will never have openers in the middle order and middle order players as openers
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Of course, but when your middle order consists of Asif Ali and Khushdil Shah then even a tailender can look more likely to score runs in the middle order.

UzmanBeast said:
For the first time, I agree with you over Sharjeel's selection.

He might be unfit and a waste of space on the field, but he has batting credentials which neither Khushdil nor Asif have.

Mohammad Wasim should be sacked immediately. Keeps persisting with Asif the Northern player.

If people can't see this right now, I doubt they'll ever see it. Mohammad Wasim is a downright horrendous selector who should be sacked.
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It’s just mind boggling, it’s the fact that he doesn’t pick both Asif Ali and Khushdil Shah for the whole year, but at the last second he says “we know their talent and prowess”.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Of course, but when your middle order consists of Asif Ali and Khushdil Shah then even a tailender can look more likely to score runs in the middle order.



It’s just mind boggling, it’s the fact that he doesn’t pick both Asif Ali and Khushdil Shah for the whole year, but at the last second he says “we know their talent and prowess”.
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Wasim knows nothing, it's quite apparent with his selections.
 
I will stick my neck out and will say we are winning this one. That 24th October game is definitely ours.

Loser Misbah is gone and Rambo is trying to bring back that cornered tiger's spirit. I am surprised that a lot of Pak fans are not as excited. Our dark era has ended with Misbah's departure.
 
We still may not qualify for semis but let me assume you, team will perform better since Misbah isn't the coach. Before I was predicting only one win in 5 games, now I am expecting 3 wins atleast, irrespective of what players are selected.
 
Group stage exit - 5th or 6th place finish in the group.
 
Pakistan have a tricky group. NZ and India are expected to go to semi-final round but Pakistan are always unpredictable.

On paper, they should get eliminated during group stage. I expect them to be 3rd in the group.
 
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Morale is surely going to be rock bottom with the sudden removals of the coach and a bunch of no hopers in the dressing room.

Azam Khan is the most ridiculous selection Pakistan have made in a while and the cricketers aren't going to be happy to have him around.
 
Firebat said:
With a brand new coaching team and a WC squad selection that has shocked and infuriated many, a lot has changed just 48 days out from Pakistan's opening fixture against India.

Has recent events affected Pakistan's chances at this upcoming tournament?

How far do you think Pakistan will reach at the T20 WC?
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The fact that we are back to Asif Ali, means there is no hope. We have a very poor Batting line up ( forget about bench strength we can't even fill our middle order ). And Pakistan never starts a big tournament well, even the ones we end up winning. So India opener is not looking good at all.
 
Semi final atleast.i think the pressure will be off tbier shoulders no one expects pakistan to wjn
 
Pakistan always thrives in disorderly chaos. Structuraly orderly things and processes rarely work in our system

The team is being mocked, dismissed which makes it perfect as this will mean less pressure and once the first Pak India match is over and done with regardless of win or loss, the team will suck up the rants, viotrol from the ex players, analysts, sports reporters, relax, chill and play the remaining games with a relaxed frame of mind
 
Semi final. After that a better team will take care off us.
 
Pakistan is going to the world cup to follow our world cup tradition of getting trashed by India and subsequently make a first round exit.
 
I am hoping we will make use of the 10th October deadline and make some tweaks in our squad - else semi finals is the max we will get to
 
shamaan said:
Exactly and now that everyone is writing Pakistan off we will reach semi atleast
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I'll keep my mouth shut for now, but i'll say this Pakistan makes about 2 changes in that squad and we are more or less settled.

Anything can happen it's t20 cricket after all.
 
Pakistan need to make a few changes if they wanna compete or make the semis atleast. After that it’s anyone’s game.

Fakhar needs to somehow make it to the main squad from the reserves and Faheem needs to come in for that pace all rounder spot, complete injustice against them both.

Shoaib Malik or Ifthikar need to replace 1 or 2 out of the one hit wonder gang (Asif, Khusdil, Azam)

I can understand Malik not being picked because of his past and ramiz wanting younger players but Ifthikar who’s in his early 30s on paper atleast is better than the entire middle order apart from hafeez.
He averages 42 odd and scored crucial runs in Australia, New Zealand and a few knocks in Pakistan, he can also bowl useful off breaks.

Muhammad Wasim wanted to focus on stats in particular strike rates. Ifthikar and Malik have higher strike rates than the one hit wonder gang and if you combine all 3s average it’s around 42 which Ifthikar averages alone. Plus he’s more experienced and can handle international pressure. I really don’t understand why atleast one of them wasn’t in the squad.

Regarding Amir, it feels like he’s shot himself in the foot because even if he takes his retirement back ramiz is strongly against ‘fixers’ which is clear because of how Sharjeel was left out so I don’t see him walking back into the World Cup squad. I feel like Amir could’ve been very useful in the uae. We also need to look past Wahab as he is too old now and the younger guys like hasnain can do better with more time on their side.

I have a feeling that Pakistan can make the semis but it will be a tough battle between Pakistan and New Zealand for that 2nd spot. That will be Pakistan’s most important game after India of course.
 
I guess it will depend more on how NZ performs in UAE and against spin
 
So the squad now finalized - how far can Pakistan get with it?
 
Not much or anything has changed my perception of this tournament for Pakistan. I still expect them to go out via Super 12s.
 
From nowhere Fakhar was included in the main squad and the usual suspects(azam khan, m.husnain, waqar, misbah) were replaced by divine intervention I am having a good omen for Pakistan's chances. Let's keep praying.:shhh Roll 'em over with a heavy Green tank :)
 
On slow, low pitches Pakistan might just spring a few surprises. Watch this space. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if someone told me now that they'd make it to the final.
 
Pakistan are favourites to beat India . Not sure about the whole tournament but theres a good chance they can wi the whole thing too.
 
Pakistan are going to have the morale shattered in the very first match and would not make it to the next stage
 
Semi Finals.
India, Pakistan, West Indies and England will reach semi Finals.
 
I think Pakistan will make it to the Semis. Pakistan is in the easier group. With the exception of India, Pakistan has a good chance to beat every other team in the group stage.
 
rockyboy2018 said:
From nowhere Fakhar was included in the main squad and the usual suspects(azam khan, m.husnain, waqar, misbah) were replaced by divine intervention I am having a good omen for Pakistan's chances. Let's keep praying.:shhh Roll 'em over with a heavy Green tank :)
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I think "heavy green tank" is dropped from squad.
 
I see slightly better chances now that Khushdil and Azam Khan have been dropped.

But you still have Asif Ali and ​Sarfraz.

And though Haider Ali and Sohaib Maqsood are in form they aren't proven performers and there's no telling how they will do in the high-pressure World Cup environment.
 
We went from first round exit to now favourites within the space of 2 days🥶

IT’S COMING HOME…
 
Pakistan has made its batting bit better, but in uae you win when you have got spinners.

Pakistan is without any quality spinner here and harris rauf will be tonked
 
I mean this is pretty much the best team they could have selected now.

If they do badly now, it will be down to their own incompetence rather than not selecting the right team.
 
Major said:
Pakistan has made its batting bit better, but in uae you win when you have got spinners.

Pakistan is without any quality spinner here and harris rauf will be tonked
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Its much more important to back your strengths than rely on traditional perceptions of pitches. Especially in limited-overs cricket.

Pakistan selected their best spinners. Selecting Zahid or Qadir would have counter-productive as they lack control, have terrible economy rates and would have gotten hammered against quality oppositions.

As for Rauf, he is very hit and miss. Which is why I feel he will have moments of brilliance and moments where he will be taken apart like a rag-doll.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Its much more important to back your strengths than rely on traditional perceptions of pitches. Especially in limited-overs cricket.

Pakistan selected their best spinners. Selecting Zahid or Qadir would have counter-productive as they lack control, have terrible economy rates and would have gotten hammered against quality oppositions.

As for Rauf, he is very hit and miss. Which is why I feel he will have moments of brilliance and moments where he will be taken apart like a rag-doll.
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I would play Shadab and Imad over qadir and Nawaz anyway.
 
Pak not a strong squad but they just need to have one really good day in one of the 2 big matches and then it's knockouts time where anything can happen
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Its much more important to back your strengths than rely on traditional perceptions of pitches. Especially in limited-overs cricket.

Pakistan selected their best spinners. Selecting Zahid or Qadir would have counter-productive as they lack control, have terrible economy rates and would have gotten hammered against quality oppositions.

As for Rauf, he is very hit and miss. Which is why I feel he will have moments of brilliance and moments where he will be taken apart like a rag-doll.
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NO point in backing your strengths. You have to play according to the conditions. A good example is the last world t20 pak vs india. India came with a spin heavy team on a track which was for spinners. We came in with a pace heavy team. We got early break throughs but we still lost the match.

Nz with satner were able to win against india.

Imad, shadab, nawaz dont rrally spin the ball. Shadab even gets attacked by azam khan.
 
Group stage exit.

I think they'll beat NZ in a close game but lose to one of Afg/Ban and crash out on NRR.
 
shamaan said:
I would play Shadab and Imad over qadir and Nawaz anyway.
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Nawaz can be useful in those conditions and is in red-hot form. I wouldn't mind all 3 in the team either if the conditions permitted it. But Imad and Shadab should definitely be first-choice. Especially against India.
 
Major said:
NO point in backing your strengths. You have to play according to the conditions. A good example is the last world t20 pak vs india. India came with a spin heavy team on a track which was for spinners. We came in with a pace heavy team. We got early break throughs but we still lost the match.

Nz with satner were able to win against india.

Imad, shadab, nawaz dont rrally spin the ball. Shadab even gets attacked by azam khan.
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Conditions matter to an extent. You can't plan your entire campaign around conditions...especially in a format as unpredictable as T20 cricket. Furthermore, while the Abu Dhabi is a spinner's paradise, Dubai and Sharjah are flat wickets where spinners can easily be taken to the cleaners. And while spinners will matter a great deal, you simply can't win the World Cup if you don't have quality pacemen in your line-up.

That is a really narrow way of looking at the 2016 World Cup. We crashed out because we selected a bad squad that simply wasn't good enough, especially in-comparison to some of the other teams.

Australia had a total of two spinners in their entire squad. They narrowly missed out on the semis. Windies needed just one quality spinner: Badree to win the entire thing. England's spinners (Rashid and Moeen) barely had any role at all to play in their run-up to the final. The only match in which they were a factor was the match against Afghanistan.

So again, its not all about conditions. Selecting the right combination with the best possible players at your disposal is the way to go. Spinners have a certain role to play just like the other players. They are not there to win every match single-handedly. Imad, Shadab and Nawaz with their relative experience, their batting ability and the fact that they are vastly superior bowlers to Qadir and Zahid have rightly been selected.

Take out Qadir's performances against Zimbabwe and you end up with an economy rate of 10.5. Which just goes to show how unreliable he is as a spinner. Zahid has much of the same issues as him i.e. lack of control which means they simply can't be relied on to dry up the runs or take wickets. Not the case with Imad, Shadab and Nawaz.
 
Pakistan to reach semi-finals seems very likely - not sure if they have the strength to go all the way.
 
Super 12 stage with over 50% of the vote so far.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Nawaz can be useful in those conditions and is in red-hot form. I wouldn't mind all 3 in the team either if the conditions permitted it. But Imad and Shadab should definitely be first-choice. Especially against India.
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If nawaz plays then a batter needs to be dropped I don't think they will drop any of the 3 pacers.
 
Would say there's a 60-70% chance we won't make it out of the group. To get top 2 in a group of 6 is tough.
 
if the pitches are not flat roads we will be competitive as I don't think we have the batting firepower to score or chase down 190-200 scores consistently. But if the avg innings scores are in the 160-170 range we will be good
 
shamaan said:
If nawaz plays then a batter needs to be dropped I don't think they will drop any of the 3 pacers.
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It all comes down to conditions and performances of players. I think playing 3 spinners in Abu Dhabi might be a fairly credible and serious strategy. Plus you never know who is going to have a bad tournament. At the 2019 WC, we were all expecting Hasan Ali to repeat his 2017 heroics but he ended up bombing miserably.

The way I see it, all 15 guys have an opportunity to contribute and can do so. You never know who might step up and who might not.
 
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