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How good an all rounder is Ravindra Jadeja in Tests?

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No doubt his stats flatters himself a bit but overall he has great numbers with bowl and good numbers with bat and is an outstanding fielder. Below are his stats:-

Tests:- 49
Wickets:- 213
Bowl Avgs:- 24

Runs:- 1850
Bat Avg:- 35

Where would you rank him among India's greatest test all-rounders?
 
He's alright but until he's proven himself in Pakistan or Sri Lanka he will not be considered as good as the great Kapil Dev.
 
Very good spin bowler and a decent batsmen. I do rate him because of his performance in 2017 test series vs Australia where Australia came up with a lot of preparations on UAE tracks and Ashwin was struggling with his form and fitness. Jadeja stood up and became the player of the series.

Among Indian all-rounders, I would say he is behind Kapil Dev and Vinoo Mankad. However, unlike Ashwin, he can be termed as a genuine all-rounder, need a few more test hundreds though.
 
He's alright but until he's proven himself in Pakistan or Sri Lanka he will not be considered as good as the great Kapil Dev.

Sri Lanka? He needs to prove himself in Australia or England.

Kapil was brilliant in Windies and Australia back then.
 
Very good spin bowler and a decent batsmen. I do rate him because of his performance in 2017 test series vs Australia where Australia came up with a lot of preparations on UAE tracks and Ashwin was struggling with his form and fitness. Jadeja stood up and became the player of the series.

Among Indian all-rounders, I would say he is behind Kapil Dev and Vinoo Mankad. However, unlike Ashwin, he can be termed as a genuine all-rounder, need a few more test hundreds though.

Ashwin has more performances with the bat though.2 hundreds vs 1 and some useful contributions

Jaddu has been better recently though
 
Ashwin has more performances with the bat though.2 hundreds vs 1 and some useful contributions

Jaddu has been better recently though

Ashwin actually has 4 test hundreds, all against Windies. He probably had a purple patch during 2014-16 period when he got some of those hundreds vs Windies. However, in 71 tests total, he has only 15 scores of 50+. Jadeja has played 49 tests and already has 15 scores of 50+.

Jadeja has more potential with bat and he averages 35 compared to Ashwin's 28. I don't think Jadeja's average will fall as much like Ashwin.
 
Jadeja is a limited allrounder. However is a great AR in home conditions. Performing well with both bat and ball since 2016.
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Sri Lanka? He needs to prove himself in Australia or England.

Kapil was brilliant in Windies and Australia back then.

Kapil is arguably the GOAT AR. Comparison with him is unfair. Players like him come once in generations.
 
Great all-rounder at home and barely making a side away. So take your pick.
 
Kapil is arguably the GOAT AR. Comparison with him is unfair. Players like him come once in generations.

You only were saying that if he does well in Sri Lanka or Pakistan, he will be as good as Kapil Dev which I am denying.

Dev was brilliant in Windies and Australia and actually he was unfortunate in that era that India didn't had a single world class spinner for almost a decade when Kapil played. Before that, there was Bedi, Chandra, Gupte, Prasanna and after that, we had Kumble, Bhajji, Ash and Jadeja.
 
statistically india's best all rounder in home conditions, and his fielding is leaps and bounds beyond his competitors, hes right up there, also hes heading into his peak years as a spinner.
 
You only were saying that if he does well in Sri Lanka or Pakistan, he will be as good as Kapil Dev which I am denying.

Dev was brilliant in Windies and Australia and actually he was unfortunate in that era that India didn't had a single world class spinner for almost a decade when Kapil played. Before that, there was Bedi, Chandra, Gupte, Prasanna and after that, we had Kumble, Bhajji, Ash and Jadeja.

Kapil is in a different atmosphere. The way he performed against West Indies and Australia, none of the other ARs in his era did and you're half right if India had a good back up pacer to allow Kapil to bowl less and with more venom then he would be averaging a lot less too.

Let's not forget Kapil was even more explosive than Vic Richards
 
Kapil is in a different atmosphere. The way he performed against West Indies and Australia, none of the other ARs in his era did and you're half right if India had a good back up pacer to allow Kapil to bowl less and with more venom then he would be averaging a lot less too.

Let's not forget Kapil was even more explosive than Vic Richards

Good point. Not just pacer but no good spinner also.
 
He was very effective at home but quite ordinary away from home.

Used to terrorize batsmen on spinning tracks.
 
11,25*,89,69*, 52*

High class batting for Jadeja. Carrying the Indian lower middle order and leading the young talented A/Rs of the team, Nitish Reddy and Washington Sundar before he finally passes on the mantle.
 
Ravindra Jadeja brings up his third consecutive Test fifty

It’s his seventh 50+ score in England - only two players have more while batting at No.6 or lower.

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How does he fare against the Bothams, Khans, Devs, Lloyds, Kallises, Shakibs of this world??
As an all rounder, less than Botham and Imran. Equal or slightly less than Kapil.

Better then Kallis ( batting dominant all rounder) and Shakib. Not sure who Lloyd is.

Jadeja issue is that as a bowler he is mainly been ineffective outside of India ( or Asia), but how many Asian spinners in the history of the game are successful outside Asia...we should t hold it against him too much.

He can go down as the best spin bowling all rounder in the game.
 
As an all rounder, less than Botham and Imran. Equal or slightly less than Kapil.

Better then Kallis ( batting dominant all rounder) and Shakib. Not sure who Lloyd is.

Jadeja issue is that as a bowler he is mainly been ineffective outside of India ( or Asia), but how many Asian spinners in the history of the game are successful outside Asia...we should t hold it against him too much.

He can go down as the best spin bowling all rounder in the game.
thank you for a non troll response. Lloyds is Sir Clive Lloyds. Missed out Pollock as well.
 
One of the all time greats of the game. A true all rounder with consistent runs scoring, not like a careless brainless cricket we used to saw from Kapil Dev back in 80s despite having far more talent.:inti
How does he fare against the Bothams, Khans, Devs, Lloyds, Kallises, Shakibs of this world??
 
Ravindra Jadeja is not just a good all-rounder in Tests — he’s one of the best in modern cricket, and arguably one of India's finest ever in the format when you consider his balance of consistency, impact, and longevity.

He has more five-wicket hauls than Kapil Dev in fewer matches, and a better bowling average too.
 
Top 5 all rounders in test cricket history:-

Garfield Sobers
Imran Khan
Jacques Kallis
Keith Miller
Ian Botham/Ravindra Jadeja

Kapil Dev sits out for a poor bowl avg of 32 and bat avg of 26 meagre away from home.
 
One of the all time greats of the game. A true all rounder with consistent runs scoring, not like a careless brainless cricket we used to saw from Kapil Dev back in 80s despite having far more talent.:inti
I guess he's a spinner rather than a pacers and pre Jaddu and Shakib spinning ARs are not taken seriously...
 
I guess he's a spinner rather than a pacers and pre Jaddu and Shakib spinning ARs are not taken seriously...
He should continue batting at 6 and will play a major part in India’s chances of qualifying to WTC Final this time. We have 4 tests at home later and then 2 in SL. Then after 2 tests in NZ, we have a 5 match home series vs Australia, so a total of 11 tests where Jadeja holds key to India’s success with both bat and bowl. In NZ, he can contribute well with bat at #6 as well.
 
Top 5 all rounders in test cricket history:-

Garfield Sobers
Imran Khan
Jacques Kallis
Keith Miller
Ian Botham/Ravindra Jadeja

Kapil Dev sits out for a poor bowl avg of 32 and bat avg of 26 meagre away from home.
Kapil paaaji wasn't helped much by support and pitches.

If we are doing like for like between Jadeja and Kapil then we should factor the relative lack of support that Kapil had and how the Indian pitches have suited Jadeja for best part of his career.

It's why I think they they should be considered very similar.

Kapil was far ahead in LOI so wins if we are comparing cross formats too.
 
Top 5 all rounders in test cricket history:-

Garfield Sobers
Imran Khan
Jacques Kallis
Keith Miller
Ian Botham/Ravindra Jadeja

Kapil Dev sits out for a poor bowl avg of 32 and bat avg of 26 meagre away from home.

As good as Jadeja is, he does not belong in the top 5.
 
As good as Jadeja is, he does not belong in the top 5.
Kapil was the highest wicket taker against mighty windies in the 80s. 72 wickets at 22 average. Also game breaker. Played some incredible counter attacking knocks. He could have played slowly accumulated several centuries. But that was not hsi style. Finished with a strike rate over 80 in tests. Also had to bowl more overs than required given the mediocrity surrounding him like he bowled 30 overs on the trot against West Indies in Ahmedabad test taking 9 for 83. Nobody helped him.
 
As good as Jadeja is, he does not belong in the top 5.
Jadeja has played 63 of his 83 matches against England(23), Australia(20), New Zealand(11) and South Africa(9).

Ashwin played 73 of his 106 matches against SENA nations.

Jadeja has played 27 matches out of 83 in SENA conditions. He can add a couple more in this series.

Ashwin has played only 26 matches out of his 106 in SENA condition.

Jadeja should likely improve his stats even more as India will be playing 11 matches in Asia and only 2 outside( in NZ) in this WTC cycle after the end of this tour.
 
Jadeja has played 63 of his 83 matches against England(23), Australia(20), New Zealand(11) and South Africa(9).

Ashwin played 73 of his 106 matches against SENA nations.

Jadeja has played 27 matches out of 83 in SENA conditions. He can add a couple more in this series.

Ashwin has played only 26 matches out of his 106 in SENA condition.

Jadeja should likely improve his stats even more as India will be playing 11 matches in Asia and only 2 outside( in NZ) in this WTC cycle after the end of this tour.
What does Jadeja vs Ashwin has to do with 5th best all rounder in history of cricket?
 
I meant, Ashwin is not really a candiadte for the top 5 all rounders in history, so pitting Jadeja vs Ashwin is not going to make a case for Jadeja being the best 5 all rounders in history.
 
What does Jadeja vs Ashwin has to do with 5th best all rounder in history of cricket?
If he is better than Ashwin as a test cricketer, he makes a strong case to be in contention for top 5. I can think of Sobers, Imran, Miller, Kallis and prime Botham only ahead of him.
 
If he is better than Ashwin as a test cricketer, he makes a strong case to be in contention for top 5. I can think of Sobers, Imran, Miller, Kallis and prime Botham only ahead of him.
Pollock. Hadlee ??

You listed 5 who are ahead of him already. I don't think Jadeja makes a strong claim to dismiss any of them. His bowling is just not there in unhelpful conditions.
 
As an all rounder, less than Botham and Imran. Equal or slightly less than Kapil.

Better then Kallis ( batting dominant all rounder) and Shakib. Not sure who Lloyd is.

Jadeja issue is that as a bowler he is mainly been ineffective outside of India ( or Asia), but how many Asian spinners in the history of the game are successful outside Asia...we should t hold it against him too much.

He can go down as the best spin bowling all rounder in the game.

He is definitely below Dev, Dev was a captain, faced much tougher bowlers like the great WI bowlers of the 80s as a bat and bowled very well against them also....
 
Pollock. Hadlee ??

You listed 5 who are ahead of him already. I don't think Jadeja makes a strong claim to dismiss any of them. His bowling is just not there in unhelpful conditions.
Pollock and Hadlee are not A/Rs. They are not good enough to make the team on batting so can’t be considered all rounders. They don’t even have 25+ RPI. They are good no.8 with bat.

Both are better cricketers than Jadeja but not better A/Rs.
 
Top 5 all rounders in test cricket history:-

Garfield Sobers
Imran Khan
Jacques Kallis
Keith Miller
Ian Botham/Ravindra Jadeja

Kapil Dev sits out for a poor bowl avg of 32 and bat avg of 26 meagre away from home.

Bruh, get you numbers right.

Dev's test bowling avg was 29.

He was the only test Allrounder to score a 100 at a run a ball in the WI out of Botham( Mr I cant put bat on ball against the WI), Imran and Hadlee, his overall test bowling avg against the WI in WI is better than the above mentioned all rounders same for his batting avg. WI in WI was the hardest challenge of the era facing their goat bowlers on wickets designed for their strengths.....
 
Bruh, get you numbers right.

Dev's test bowling avg was 29.

He was the only test Allrounder to score a 100 at a run a ball in the WI out of Botham( Mr I cant put bat on ball against the WI), Imran and Hadlee, his overall test bowling avg against the WI in WI is better than the above mentioned all rounders same for his batting avg. WI in WI was the hardest challenge of the era facing their goat bowlers on wickets designed for their strengths.....
Clearly specified - Away from home
 
Bruh, get you numbers right.

Dev's test bowling avg was 29.

He was the only test Allrounder to score a 100 at a run a ball in the WI out of Botham( Mr I cant put bat on ball against the WI), Imran and Hadlee, his overall test bowling avg against the WI in WI is better than the above mentioned all rounders same for his batting avg. WI in WI was the hardest challenge of the era facing their goat bowlers on wickets designed for their strengths.....
Performing against the best and failing against rest tell me that he was the VVS Laxman of his era.
 
What about the fact Dev outbowled both Imran and Botham in Aus also ?. VVS was Aus only player.
Aus were not a top team during Kapil era. Kapil failed badly vs Pakistan, New Zealand, England and even SA in his final years while Imran prevailed vs all or most team.
 
There is no doubt that Indian fans will leave no stones unturned in defending Kapil Dev but fact is that he was not a true ATG in Test cricket as he was in white ball. His legacy and fame was built due to that World Cup win where India beat Windies twice including the finals.

But purely in Test cricket, even after considering factors such as Indian pitches not very suitable for pace bowling, he would at best be a borderline ATG.
 
Aus were not a top team during Kapil era. Kapil failed badly vs Pakistan, New Zealand, England and even SA in his final years while Imran prevailed vs all or most team.

Dev failing in NZ will always remain a mystery for me,

Aus may not have been a top team in Dev's era but that Aus team did have players like Dennis Lillee, Jeff Thompson etc, it doesn't also take away the fact he outbowled Imran and Botham there.

Failing in ENG with the ball will always remain a mystery for me again, even though he was outstanding with the bat.

South Africa trip was towards his last few tours before retirement by then he was done as a bowler. However his 100 against Allan Donald and co on that bouncy South African track when rest of the Indian batting folded including Tendulkar will always remain a special innings for me...

I will admit I take more consideration for performance against the best rather than the rest, which is why performing in WI was the standard for me when comparing All rounders of that era... Also the main reason why I do not rate Botham, he was a mouse in front of headlights in the WI, he couldn't put bat on ball and his bowling was violated by the WI bats.
 
Dev failing in NZ will always remain a mystery for me,

Aus may not have been a top team in Dev's era but that Aus team did have players like Dennis Lillee, Jeff Thompson etc, it doesn't also take away the fact he outbowled Imran and Botham there.

Failing in ENG with the ball will always remain a mystery for me again, even though he was outstanding with the bat.

South Africa trip was towards his last few tours before retirement by then he was done as a bowler. However his 100 against Allan Donald and co on that bouncy South African track when rest of the Indian batting folded including Tendulkar will always remain a special innings for me...

I will admit I take more consideration for performance against the best rather than the rest, which is why performing in WI was the standard for me when comparing All rounders of that era... Also the main reason why I do not rate Botham, he was a mouse in front of headlights in the WI, he couldn't put bat on ball and his bowling was violated by the WI bats.
Kapil Dev was known for his audacious and fearless batting display. But despite his great record vs WI, I don’t remember a batting performance like Botham’s Headingley vs Australia where he came and absolutely turned the game on its head with his batting. He did it vs Zimbabwe in World Cup but in Test cricket, he has those audacious display of runs but not necessarily match or series changing. He would score runs fast and show his glimpse of genius with bat but not produce a game changing knock vs WI or Aus.

Additionally, Botham did manage 14 centuries and 5000 runs in 100 tests while Dev managed only 8 centuries and 5000 runs in 130 tests. So, there is a major difference in their batting output.
 
Additionally, Botham did manage 14 centuries and 5000 runs in 100 tests while Dev managed only 8 centuries and 5000 runs in 130 tests. So, there is a major difference in their batting output.

This I can easily answer, Dev just didn't care, he was a six & out bat, he had all the talent in the world but massively under achieved. I remember reading an article ages ago where Gavaskar said during their playing days, he felt Kapil Dev was one of the most talented batsman he has ever seen and someone with that type of talent should score atleast 10,000 test runs but will never get there because Kapil Dev is a wreck less undisciplined individual.

He has a 100 and a 90 odd in tests in WI vs their goat bowlers at 100 strike rate, making them look like club bowlers which proper batsmen from opposing teams in those days could not even do...

I guess talent only takes you so far if you don't have the mind then you under achieve, still a decent run tally and number of 100s for someone who was so wreckless with the bat...
 
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