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In heavily-encrypted audio transmissions from the mountains of Khorasan, he's heard extolling jihad, offering chocolates, housing and women to young Indians.

Kerala's Abdul Rashid Abdulla is believed to have started ISIS recruitment and fundraising operations in the southern state in July 2015. In less than two years, he has risen through the terror ranks as the group's recruiter-in-chief for India based out of Afghanistan.

An India Today investigation has cracked open tightly-guarded tools of communications he has been using to lure young men back home into ISIS fold

WOMEN, MEAT & CHOCOLATES
In his messages, he presents housing, meat and even chocolates to future recruits. "There are houses here. All facilities are there including electricity and water in houses. There are individual houses. Most of the houses are owned by the government. There are markets here where everything is available. Everything that is available back in our country is available here also -- chocolates, biscuits, meat, vegetables," Abdulla says.

The ISIS' Afghanistan-based India handler is also heard enticing young men with women, saying guerrillas in the group are encouraged to marry widows of slain militants. "My friend, Murshid, married a virgin woman," he says, "Sajid married a widow with two children and Manjat a widow with one child. So whatever the case is, getting married here is easy."

Indoctrination follows next as he gives his own interpretation of sacred texts and sharia, calling ISIS purely Islamic. In the same vein, he justifies use of brutal violence as part of jihad. "It's a sunnah to do jihad. Islamic state also does jihad - against the mushrikeen, kuffaar, murtadeen and the munafiqeen. Let Allah show the correct path to all and may we all meet in heaven."

According to top security officials, Abdulla took 17 people from Kasargod and four from Palakkad in Kerala to ISIS camps in Afghanistan.

Till March this year, as many as 75 people have been arrested from across India for suspected links with the ISIS.

Of them 21 belonged to Kerala, 16 to Telangana, nine to Karnataka, four to Tamil Nadu, eight to Maharashtra, six to Madhya Pradesh, four to Uttarakhand, three to Uttar Pradesh, two to Rajasthan and one each to Jammu and Kashmir and West Bengal, highly-placed officials told India Today.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...eal-recruitment-drive-in-kerala/1/966596.html
 
Pretty dark days. Don't understand what makes people like these, who are actually educated and living in a relatively well off and discrimination free (w.r.t minorities) state in India to join such organizations.

These guys have left behind such good prospects and a more-than-decent life back home.

They are pushing my state closer and closer to full blown unrest ..
 
BJP cannot ask for a better situation than the current one as the platform for its entry in the state is being laid.

Disgruntled Hindus that have have always voted for Non-Religious Parties, appeasement of minorities, growing extremism and Islamic terror in a state where the majority community can't even be accussed of imposing their religious practices on the minorities.

GOLD.
 
I can guarantee you that 16 of those from Telengana are from Hyderabad. Maharashtra is a no brainer, surprised with Kerala.
 
Internet and social media has amplified this radicalization process everywhere. Better worldwide connectivity has led to networks than cannot be tracked and monitored easily, and many of them converge under this ISIS umbrella. It is very much like that "anonymous" hacker group, except the people joining forces are out there for blood.
 
Pretty dark days. Don't understand what makes people like these, who are actually educated and living in a relatively well off and discrimination free (w.r.t minorities) state in India to join such organizations.

These guys have left behind such good prospects and a more-than-decent life back home.

They are pushing my state closer and closer to full blown unrest ..

The only positive is that these terrorists have not orchestrated any attacks in their home state but have went on to wage Jihad in foreign countries.

Kind of spares India from the terrorist attacks and the friction that builds between the communities thereafter.
 
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The only positive is that these terrorists have not orchestrated any attacks in their home state but have went on to wage Jihad in foreign countries.

Kind of spares India from the terrorist attacks and the friction that builds between the communities thereafter.

Sorry, but that is disgraceful line of thinking. Are you happy that we are exporting terror?
 
The only positive is that these terrorists have not orchestrated any attacks in their home state but have went on to wage Jihad in foreign countries.

Kind of spares India from the terrorist attacks and the friction that builds between the communities thereafter.

Nopes, they'll use their participation to lure more and more from the state and country. Things like "we are welcome here", "this is Jannat" etc have already been sent by some of these fighters back to relatives.

What if one guy pretends to have reformed, returns and spreads the same ideology here ..

The India specific terror groups like LeT etc have tried to link their cause to global jihad in the past . What stops ISIS from doing the same ? As long as they get cheap credit , they'll let any startup Jihadi associate with their name..
 
BJP cannot ask for a better situation than the current one as the platform for its entry in the state is being laid.

Disgruntled Hindus that have have always voted for Non-Religious Parties, appeasement of minorities, growing extremism and Islamic terror in a state where the majority community can't even be accussed of imposing their religious practices on the minorities.

GOLD.

Sooner or later the floodgates will open. Each new fighter leaving the country from our shores , further dents our image as some sort of terrorist paradise. That is hurting the Hindu population's viewpoint . They are feeling more and more inclined to go pro-hindutva, simply because they think the Non-religious parties are too lax in tackling extremism .
 
Sooner or later the floodgates will open. Each new fighter leaving the country from our shores , further dents our image as some sort of terrorist paradise. That is hurting the Hindu population's viewpoint . They are feeling more and more inclined to go pro-hindutva,

About time the hindu population of kerala woke up. All these abhrahamic faith appeasing by the Malayalee hindus is flat out dangerous. Malaylee Converts of the abhrahamic faiths feel their religion is superior than any other, which is not a problem in the western world aka christians. However it is dangerous when it is the sub continental converts, as they go overboard with it and will always stick together to spread thier beliefs onto the non believers, while these stupid hindu malayalees will just stand there scratching their head as they lose their way. I am not against any religion, my motto is simple, i wont force my beliefs upon you and i expect the same, if so we can all live in peace.
 
About time the hindu population of kerala woke up. All these abhrahamic faith appeasing by the Malayalee hindus is flat out dangerous. Malaylee Converts of the abhrahamic faiths feel their religion is superior than any other, which is not a problem in the western world aka christians. However it is dangerous when it is the sub continental converts, as they go overboard with it and will always stick together to spread thier beliefs onto the non believers, while these stupid hindu malayalees will just stand there scratching their head as they lose their way. I am not against any religion, my motto is simple, i wont force my beliefs upon you and i expect the same, if so we can all live in peace.

I don't approve of the excessive missionary/conversion activities post independence. .

But you have to realize its not the "Dumb hindu falling for missionary freebies" narrative.

The hindu community has to shoulder a lot of blame for making the social system of kerala SO DAMN OPPRESSIVE over centuries and so discriminatory, to create such a fertile ground for conversions.

If being born a lower caste untouchable (both shudras & dalits were untouchable here) made you untouchable for schools, temples and even most public roads, and just changing your name to a Jacob or Mohammed gave you EVERY access that you didn't have before , who wouldn't convert ?? It was an easier sell for the minorities than Ambani selling Jio to data starved Indians. .

These lower caste converts (pre independence) do have an inherent dislike for Hinduism, but frankly there were enough valid reasons to hate !

Do you even know how the so called "revolutionary" "Universal temple entry proclamation " came about ?

The lower caste made two previous major attempts to get themselves granted equal rights amongst hindus :

Vaikom Satyagraha (1924–25) was a satyagraha (movement) in Travancore, India (now part of Kerala) against untouchability in Hindu society. The movement was centered at the Shiva temple at Vaikom, near Kottayam. The Satyagraha aimed at securing freedom of movement for all sections of society through the public roads leading to the Sri Mahadevar Temple at Vaikom.

Lots of interesting tidbits there which show how "Great" kerala Hinduism was..

There was another crucial incident, which triggered the action. Sree Narayana Guru himself was prohibited from passing through the roads around the temple. Sri Bhargavan Vaidyar mentions this in the golden Jubilee Souvenir of Neyyattinkara S N D P Union. The editorial of the Malayala Manorama on 29 March 1924 (the day before the starting of the Satyagraha) mentions, If a venerable sage like Sree Narayana Guru and his disciple Mahakavi Kumaran Asan were driven away from the road around the temple by a drunken upper caste buffoon in the name of caste, can their people take it lying down? If they rise up in revolt can any authority stop them by force?

A Satyagraha Ashram was set up about one furlong south of the temple. The Ashram was packed with volunteers who came from different parts of the country. The venue of Satyagraha was decided to be on the western road where a prohibitory board announced:

"Ezhavas and other low castes are prohibited through this road"

Hundred of policemen armed with lethal weapons, ready to meet any eventuality, were on the vigil round the clock at the spot where the Satyagraha was to begin.

Gandhiji stayed in the Ashram and spoke to the volunteers. He tried to boost up their morale, by explaining to them the principle of Satyagraha and the role of scarifies and suffering in it, and the need for extreme patience. He tried to reach a compromise with the orthodoxy and for this; he had to meet the Savarna leaders. His secretary sent a note of invitation to the Savarna leader Idanthuruthil Devan Neelakandan Namboothiri to come over to the camp. The haughty Namboothiri not only refused to accept the invitation, but also said that those who wanted to see him must go over to his house. So it was that Gandhiji and his party reached the Indanthuruthil Mana (a Namboothiri household) on the next day noon. They were made to sit in the portico of the house, while the Namboothiri and his Savarna comrades occupied the inner room. The Namboothiri believed that Gandhi and his followers were polluted by the touch of untouchables, and could not be admitted into the pure interior of an orthodox Mana.

Their dialogue continued for nearly three hours. Gandhiji made three practical proposals:

• The unapproachability that is practiced at Vaikom is not found in any Hindu scriptures. The orthodoxy contended that Adi Sankaracharya laid down the custom. In that case, Gandhiji proposed that an impartial Hindu Pundit must scrutinize Adi Shankara's Smirithis, and if this custom is not mentioned then it has to be withdrawn.

• The second proposal was that a referendum was to be taken from Savarnas. If the majority of Savarnas were willing to allow the roads to be opened to the Avarnas, it should be accepted.

Third proposal was that of arbitration. The orthodoxy appoints a Pandit, Gandhiji would appoint a Pandit on behalf of the Satyagrahis . The Divan of Travancore would act as an umpire. All must accept the winner's decision.

None of these was acceptable to the orthodoxy, who believed that the Avarnas are suffering because of their Karma (result of actions in their previous births). So Gandhiji left without a compromise and the Satyagraha continued, and the atrocities on them multiplied beyond words.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaikom_Satyagraha

The next one was at Guruvayoor, the one you called "India's greatest temple " :

Guruvayur Satyagraha took place in (1931–32) and was a Satyagraha (non-violent protest) in present Thrissur district, which was then part of Ponnani Taluk of Malabar district, now part of Kerala, which was an effort to allow entry for untouchables into the Guruvayur Temple. It was led by K. Kelappan, who undertook a hunger strike for 12 days, until it was abandoned because of a request from Mahatma Gandhi. Mahatma Gandhi hailed it as "the miracle of modern times" and " a smriti which is peoples charter of spiritual emanicipation".K. Kelappan, Mannathu Padmanabhan, A.K Gopalan(volunteer captain) and N.P DamodaranNair were the leaders of that agitation.It was a failure,For another four years, nothing much changed in Guruvayur or in the rest of the region that today constitutes the State of Kerala. It was only in 1936 that many temples in Kerala were opened for all to use.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guruvayur_Satyagraha

I suggest this read too , if you still think it was all about Kerala hindu's being dumb.


What is now Kerala was, like most of South India around 1500 years ago, heavily Buddhist and Jain: and there are occasional discoveries of seated Buddhas by farmers tilling the fields. There is evidence from Xieun Tsang, the Chinese traveler, who described his trip to Sabarimala where he said the presiding deity was worshipped simultaneously as both Siva and the Avalokitesvara Padmapani.

And I am quoting Communist leader EMS Namboodiripad, so those of you about to outrage at me may calm down. An army of Hindus arrived circa 600CE, headed by Nambudiri Brahmins and defeated the Buddhists, imposing Hindu culture again over the area. Those Buddhists who collaborated became ‘high-caste’ sudras (eg Nairs), and those that didn’t became ‘low-caste’ (eg Ezhavas).

This invasion is immortalized in the story of Mahabali, who ‘ruled over a kingdom where all were equal’, and was sent to Patala: thus exiled.

One of the most ridiculous laws prevented lower-caste Hindus from not only going to temples, but even walking on the public roads around them. Unbelievably, they had a simple way around it: just convert, and then you can use the public roads. Thus a Sankaran merely had to become a Thomas or a Bashir, and he could automatically enjoy a lot more freedom!

As a result of all this, by 1930, Travancore was 33% Christian, up from 6% in 1819: Ezhavas and Nadars converted in huge numbers (data from the Travancore Manual).
 
I don't approve of the excessive missionary/conversion activities post independence. .

But you have to realize its not the "Dumb hindu falling for missionary freebies" narrative.
Agree with it, but what could be the reason for the elite namboodiri brahmins converting to syrian orthodox malankara chriatianity en masse?
 
Agree with it, but what could be the reason for the elite namboodiri brahmins converting to syrian orthodox malankara chriatianity en masse?

Very few Namboodiri Brahmins have converted however if you ask a Christian malayalee almost all of them would say they were Brahmins once, which is not true. Naturally they dont want to reveal their lower caste past as they converted to an Abrahamic faith to get away from this in the first place.
 
Adding to my above post :

Conversion didn't solve the core problem, but it sure did make life better for the lower castes who did in many aspects.

Many of the promises by the missionaries didn't work though, the Dalit converts were still dalits among the Christians too , and were forced to form separate Churches (like the Latin Catholics) , so that the Upper caste Christians (Syrian Christians of Kerala) and Roman Catholics (portugese converts) could avoid mixing with them . Intermarriages to people from the "lower" churches are still frowned upon by the higher placed churches in kerala.

Even among Kerala muslims there are enough instances of Dalit Muslim converts having very poor social acceptance amongst the richer, fairer Mappila/Moplah muslims whose families have been around for centuries. Even though both abrahamic faiths denounce casteism. It's similar to the White churches/Black churches situation in the US.
 
Majority of malayali hindus are not going to vote for BJP just because few malayali youth joined isis or some madrasas are spreading hatred. The families of people who joined terrorist organizations were never been socially boycotted or had to face any kind of discrimination so muslims are coming forward to report the missing of their relatives, I don't think many muslims of other states have this kind of confidence so imo number of unreported cases from there will be much more.
 
Agree with it, but what could be the reason for the elite namboodiri brahmins converting to syrian orthodox malankara chriatianity en masse?

Very few Namboodiri Brahmins have converted however if you ask a Christian malayalee almost all of them would say they were Brahmins once, which is not true. Naturally they dont want to reveal their lower caste past as they converted to an Abrahamic faith to get away from this in the first place.


These Brahmin converts are the earliest hindu converts to christianity in India.

The Syrian christians consider themselves descenedent from the 'St.Thomas" christians of Kerala, who didn't have any established church system in Kerala till the Syrian/Persian traders landed on Kerala shores somewhere between 400-600 AD.

The legend (unconfirmed by the western churches ) goes that St.Thomas the apostle landed on Kerala shores via Muziris port (Kodungallur, kerala) of the chera kingdom in AD 52. At some point in his journey in kerala, a collective of Brahmin priests stopped him and debated him to prove the divinity of his god.

He is said to have performed some miracle (he threw the brahmanical holy water used for pujas, up in the air, where the droplets stood still or something, which the brahmins couldn't replicate), through which the brahmins were convinced about Christianity and as was customary at the time for priests losing the argument, converted to the winners religion(christianity).

Those brahmins didn't just embrace Christianity though, they brought the entire caste hierarchy to Christianity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Thomas_Christians

While there is much doubt on the cultural background of early Christians, there is evidence that some members of the St Thomas Christian community observed Brahmin customs in the Middle Ages, i.e. after the 9th century A.D., such as the wearing of the sacred thread and having a kudumi.[33][34][35]

The medieval historian Pius Malekandathil believes these were customs adopted and privileges won during the beginning of the Brahmin dominance of medieval Kerala. He argues that the Syrian Christians in Kerala, integrated with Persian Christian migrant merchants, in the 9th century to become a powerful trading community and were granted the privileges by the local rulers to promote revenue generation and to undermine Buddhist and Jain traders who rivaled the Brahmins for religious and political hegemony in Kerala at the time

St. Thomas Christians are a distinct community, both in terms of culture and religion. Though their liturgy and theology remained that of East-Syrian Christians of Persia, their life-style customs and traditions were basically Indian. It is oft-quoted: "Nazranis are Indian in culture, Christian in faith and Syrian in liturgy".[118]



Saint Thomas Christians typically followed the social customs of their Hindu neighbors, and the vestiges of Hindu symbolism could be seen in their devotional practices.[119] Social sins like Untouchability entered their practices and the Synod of Diamper abolished it.[120] The rituals related to birth, marriage, pregnancy, death etc. were also largely adapted from Hindu religious practices. Now also, tying Thaali, a Hindu symbol of marriage is the most important rite in the Christian marriages too. They used to learn temple arts[citation needed] like Kathakali, Kooth and Thullal and their own art forms like Margam Kali and Parichamuttukali have some resemblance to Yathra kali Pattu of Brahmins in Kerala.[119] In 1519, a Portuguese traveler Duarte Barbosa on his visit to Malabar commented on the practice of Saint Thomas Christian priests using Kudumi similar to that of Hindus, in his manuscript "Book of Duarte Barbosa".[121]

In the social stratification of medieval Malabar, Saint Thomas Christians succeeded in relating their social status with that of upper-caste Hindus on account of their numerical strength and influence and observance of many Brahmin and upper caste customs
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So the Syrian Christians weren't all Brahmin converts. Till the portugese arrival in 15th century, they adopted various Brahmin customs and borrowed from their rituals (including Untouchability) , to create a Caste Identity on par with the Brahmins as Keralas upper castes. Their support for the Namboothiri Brahmins in opposing the Jain/Budhist power centres of Kerala (who later became the lower caste hindus of Kerala), made the Brahmins confer on them an almost equal status in society.

So this Brahmin roots claim is more or less a carefully manufactured identity achieved over many centuries before the arrival of Portuguese Catholicism.

Once the Portuguese gained power, they tried to turn the Syrian/Malankara Christians over to their form of European Latin Catholicism, which meant they had to give up many hindu customs like untouchability and the caste system, which distanced them from the Brahmins.

By 1599 the last Metropolitan, Abraham, had died, and the Archbishop of Goa, Aleixo de Menezes, had secured the submission of the young Archdeacon George, the highest remaining representative of the native church hierarchy.[55] The Archbishop convened the Synod of Diamper, which implemented various liturgical and structural reforms in the Indian church. The Synod brought the parishes directly under the Archbishop's purview; anathematised certain "superstitious" social customs characteristic of their Hindu neighbors, including untouchability and a caste hierarchy; and purged the liturgy, the East Syrian Rite, of elements deemed unacceptable according to the Latin protocol.[56][57][58] A number of Syriac texts were condemned and ordered burnt,[59] including the Peshitta, the Syriac version of the Bible.[60][page needed] Some of the reforms, especially the elimination of caste status, reduced the Saint Thomas Christians' standing with their socially stratified Hindu neighbors.[57] The Synod formally brought the Saint Thomas Christians into the Catholic Church; however, the actions of the Portuguese over the ensuing years fueled resentment in segments of the community, and ultimately led to open resistance to their power.

Finally they split up into present day Syro-Malabar Catholic Church who stood with the Portuguese and catholicism and the Orthodox/Jacobite Syrian Church who renounced Portuguese Catholicism and stuck to their Persian roots .

This upper caste Identity is also the reason why the Malankara christians have been involved in very little conversion /missionary activities since the last 2 centuries, they didn't want their upper caste (Brahmin) identity polluted by marriage to lower caste (OBC/Dalit) converts.

This is the reason most of the portuguese and british era missionary converts are organised into other churches and generally have a backward or dalit position in society.

But many of the lower caste converts did try to ape the older malankara traditions as [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION] mentioned, so that they too could upgrade themselves to a "Higer caste" position .
 
How`Operation Pigeon` helped Kerala Police counsel 350 youth against joining ISIS

Kerala's intelligence chief BS Mohammed Yasin, while confirming the campaign, said: ¡°All are in the twenties. Many are pursuing engineering and medicine. We can't sayeven one of them was illiterate.

The team first came in touch with community elders and parents of these youth. "The response was very positive. But for their support, we wouldn't have been possible to roll out this campaign,'' he said.Individual as well as collective counselling sessions, handled by specially-trained NIA and IB personnel, were conducted for the youth.

In the first phase of `Operation Pigeon`, a number of youngsters realised that "the route was not as easy as they were made to believe''. However, around 30 of them were still firm. ¡°We continued to engage them without ruffling any feelings'', sources told the daily.

A senior officer noted that not even a single parent or one mosque committee objected to police's frequent visits during the campaign.

http://zeenews.india.com/kerala/how...ng-isis-2020033.html?pfrom=article-next-story
 
Adding to my above post :

Conversion didn't solve the core problem, but it sure did make life better for the lower castes who did in many aspects.

Many of the promises by the missionaries didn't work though, the Dalit converts were still dalits among the Christians too , and were forced to form separate Churches (like the Latin Catholics) , so that the Upper caste Christians (Syrian Christians of Kerala) and Roman Catholics (portugese converts) could avoid mixing with them . Intermarriages to people from the "lower" churches are still frowned upon by the higher placed churches in kerala.

Even among Kerala muslims there are enough instances of Dalit Muslim converts having very poor social acceptance amongst the richer, fairer Mappila/Moplah muslims whose families have been around for centuries. Even though both abrahamic faiths denounce casteism. It's similar to the White churches/Black churches situation in the US.

I always wondered why some Kerala Christians have pale skin and some look like Dalits. This explains it.

So Dalits did not really escape Caste system by converting to Christianity or Islam. The Syrian Christians AKA Brahmins cleverly made sure they do not mix with Dalits even after converting to Christianity.

Asin Thottamukkal and John Abraham are Syrian Christians right?
 
How`Operation Pigeon` helped Kerala Police counsel 350 youth against joining ISIS

Kerala's intelligence chief BS Mohammed Yasin, while confirming the campaign, said: ¡°All are in the twenties. Many are pursuing engineering and medicine. We can't sayeven one of them was illiterate.

The team first came in touch with community elders and parents of these youth. "The response was very positive. But for their support, we wouldn't have been possible to roll out this campaign,'' he said.Individual as well as collective counselling sessions, handled by specially-trained NIA and IB personnel, were conducted for the youth.

In the first phase of `Operation Pigeon`, a number of youngsters realised that "the route was not as easy as they were made to believe''. However, around 30 of them were still firm. ¡°We continued to engage them without ruffling any feelings'', sources told the daily.

A senior officer noted that not even a single parent or one mosque committee objected to police's frequent visits during the campaign.

http://zeenews.india.com/kerala/how...ng-isis-2020033.html?pfrom=article-next-story

Good to see that they are reverting back to normal.:)
 
I always wondered why some Kerala Christians have pale skin and some look like Dalits. This explains it.

So Dalits did not really escape Caste system by converting to Christianity or Islam. The Syrian Christians AKA Brahmins cleverly made sure they do not mix with Dalits even after converting to Christianity.

Asin Thottamukkal and John Abraham are Syrian Christians right?

Yep they all are .. Any news description of Asin in kerala is often added with a line : " hailing from a pious Syrian Christian family in Kerala", the "piousness" actually implies that their communities practiced endogamy like the Brahmins ..
 
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