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How many Pakistan players would make the current Indian ODI XI?

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I asked this question in another thread, but it probably deserves a thread of its own.
 
Only Babar Azam and even that is not a surety
 
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Amir will have a place for his left arm variety. india had plethora of left arm seamers at one point. Now slim pickings. Babar can bat at 4. But in my view 4,5,6 should have multiple gears as they are more likely to bat in the last 40 overs more often than not. But at this point he can sure come in at 4 as KL Rahul is still settling in at no.4. We don't know what to expect. No one else. We are waiting for Gill to arrive. Once he is in India will become a strong batting line up once again.
 
On current form:

1) Rohit Sharma
2) Shikkar Dhawan
3) Virat Kohli
4) Babar Azam
5) Mohammad Hafeez
6) MS Dhoni(Wk)
7) Hardik Pandya
8) Mohammad Amir
9) Bhuvneswhar Kumar/Kuldeep Yadav
10) Yuzvendra Chahal
11) Jasprit Bumrah
 
Babar at 4.

Amir is not needed. We have a better bowling unit. Read it carefully. Not better bowlers but bowling unit. We have a winning formula of bowlers and won't change it for somebody who clicks once in 20 matches.
 
Hello_Guru said:
Babar at 4.

Amir is not needed. We have a better bowling unit. Read it carefully. Not better bowlers but bowling unit. We have a winning formula of bowlers and won't change it for somebody who clicks once in 20 matches.
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You are right. Amir clicks only in England. Places where he doesn't get purchase he is ineffective.
 
In settled combination no one is required, even if Sachin or ganguly comes back but in head to head or capabilities wise then maximum 4.
 
Could see maybe Babar Azam ahead of Kohli, with Kohli being a better scorer in the later overs.

Outside of this, its tough. Amir would have to be bowling as he has the last 3 performances and sustain that for a longer period of time for me to CONFIDENTLY take him in the perennial XI.

Fakhar and Imam have the "averages", but they haven't done it for as long as Dhawan/Rohit have.

Could Hafeez maybe take KL Rahul's spot? Too early to say, since KL Rahul has a lot of time to both prove himself or prove to be mediocre (his talent makes me presume otherwise).

Our lower order and wicketkeeper are pretty far from top tier, so Babar might be the only safe bet.
 
PPers don't appreciate Hafeez much. Over the last few years, whenever Pakistan has won a big match - test or ODI - I saw Hafeez's performance as crucial to winning the match.
 
Hello_Guru said:
Babar at 4.

Amir is not needed. We have a better bowling unit. Read it carefully. Not better bowlers but bowling unit. We have a winning formula of bowlers and won't change it for somebody who clicks once in 20 matches.
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In my opinion Amir can easily do the job which Bhuveneshwar does that is to provide control as even when Amir didnt pick up a lot of wickets in last two years he has one of the best economies during the same time and on top of that on his day can do much more.
 
I'd say Babar Azam and Mohammad Amir for sure. Mohammad Hafeez could also slide into the middle order.
 
Amir and may be Hafeez on current form. Shadab may also make it as well.
 
happydavy said:
PPers don't appreciate Hafeez much. Over the last few years, whenever Pakistan has won a big match - test or ODI - I saw Hafeez's performance as crucial to winning the match.
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Exactly, Babar generally goes missing after scoring prettboy 40s, it is Hafiz and Imam who do the heavy lifting.
 
On current form 3,
Babar for Rahul
Hafeez for Jadhav
Amir for Bhuvi
 
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Karthik or Rayudu will do better than Babar at 4.
Amir is a spent force. Not a long term prospect at all. India has much better options
 
Arsalan Pro said:
On current form:

1) Rohit Sharma
2) Shikkar Dhawan
3) Virat Kohli
4) Babar Azam
5) Mohammad Hafeez
6) MS Dhoni(Wk)
7) Hardik Pandya
8) Mohammad Amir
9) Bhuvneswhar Kumar/Kuldeep Yadav
10) Yuzvendra Chahal
11) Jasprit Bumrah
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We have better batsman than Hafeez. We can play Rahul instead of him. Technically Rahul is better than Hafeez.
 
Amir in XI & probably Babar should make it as well. What we tend to forget is that Babar’s batting heroics is entirely based on batting at 3, where he can’t replace Indian top 3, while I am not sure how good he’ll be at 4 over KL. At 5-6, no chance.

Amir is the most hated player in PP, and most under rated also, which actually tells lot about the understanding of cricket as well - among a mediocre bunch, he is only world class player and I feel often he is found missing probably from the disgust of playing with such average bunch. His bowling stats are misleading because of 3 reasons - 1. He doesn’t bowl to his batsmen 2. He bowls (or bowled) under the worst possible Captain (s) for an attacking fast bowler 3. He bowls with associate level bowling partners when it comes to new ball use - no skill, no control, no intelligence. He doesn’t bowl to batsmen who’ll try to over do aggression when couple of hit me balls are available every over from other end. Forget about Bumrah, Cummins, Boult, Rabada .... had he bowled with a minnow partner like Mashrafee with his intelligence ... he would have made Aussies grovel in first spell at Taunton.

I read the name of Mohammad Hafeez quite few times ... a guy with 33/77 stats after 17 years of experience .... and that stats built on massive minnow bashing, mostly in Asia. This guy with his 29/77 stats in SENA countries after 60+ innings is expected to make Indian middle order!!!!! I had a perception that Hafeez is a bit over rated by PAK former players (who had seen/played with Mazid Khan compared Hafeez with Mazid) - I was wrong actually, should have included PP as well.
 
I think only babar will replace kedar jadhav and amir can be injury replacement for one of the quicks.
 
Only Amir. Infact Amir would have achieved a lot more playing for India. BCCI would have exploited his weaknesses and would have turned him into a much better bowler.

I don’t think Babar would make it in to playing 11. He is an accumulator just like a gearless scooty, he won’t survive for long with his current talent and skills.
 
Used to be a time where a combined team would see about 6 or 7 players from Pakistan.

Nowadays maybe just Babar Azam. Mohammad Amir at a push perhaps.
 
Amir only. That is because he is a genuine good bowler.

However, if Babar, Fakhar, Shadab, Hassan, even Faheem had started their careers in India they would have become world-class players by now.
 
The following would be in the mix:-

Babar
Imam
Shadab
Imam
Imad
Hafeez
Malik
Amir
Shaheen


I would trust Indian cricket system to get the better out of your batsmen and spinners who would all be better performers under our fold.
 
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Amir for Bhuvi, Babar at 4 (though I dont know if Babar has been successful at 4. Might struggle at 4 due to lack of hitting ability, but I would still try).

Given how Hafeez has played lately, he could even come in for Jhadhav. But that is given Hafeez bowls spin.
 
People putting Amir in for Bhuvi don't get it, if India wanted to play a better bowler we would have played Shami - Bhuvi is there because he can hang around in case of a batting collapse and is an acceptable bowler too.
 
If you reverse the question how many Indian would make into Pak team then for me only kohli, rohit, shikar and bumrah would make into Pak team. I'm happy to give likes of Afridi and uisnain longer run plus haris raid, shonwari etc. We also have plenty of good spinners rotting away in domestic but not given opportunities. Shadab is also very good and very young. Useful bat too.
 
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In top 12 i would say Babar in the team at 4. Amir will be fighting with other pacers but he is there.
 
Abdul said:
India isn't going to want homeless man's Hashim Amla in their team.
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As i said someone is upset with Babar name being mentioned. He will end up as one of our greatest ever batsmen and you won't be able to do anything. Deal with the reality. He already miles better then some of your heroes.
 
PakPremi said:
If you reverse the question how many Indian would make into Pak team then for me only kohli, rohit, shikar and bumrah would make into Pak team. I'm happy to give likes of Afridi and uisnain longer run plus haris raid, shonwari etc. We also have plenty of good spinners rotting away in domestic but not given opportunities. Shadab is also very good and very young. Useful bat too.
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Unless you guys start to be realistic in hyping your players, day by day it'll become desperate for you guys. For few days, I don't see some regular posters here, which is unfortunate and they themselves are only to blame for digging hole. Try to learn the game and be realistic - and don't over sell bang average players.
 
Only Babar at 4. And that too, I'll bat him at 4 only when India loses 2 wickets upfront. If India is 200/2, Babar would come in after Hardik, Dhoni and Jhadav.

Don't need Amir. He doesn't swing the ball anymore. Would much rather have Shami in the XI than him. Shami is quicker by 4-7 kph and also seams the ball both ways.

Don't need Hafeez either. Jhadav is more clutch than him.
 
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Interesting no one mentioned Shaheen, he's like 6 foot 4 inches and was Pakistan's best bowler in all formats before the world cup. I definately think he would be an upgrade on Bhuvneshwar Kumar.
 
CadPakFan said:
Interesting no one mentioned Shaheen, he's like 6 foot 4 inches and was Pakistan's best bowler in all formats before the world cup. I definately think he would be an upgrade on Bhuvneshwar Kumar.
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Maybe 2 years down the line. Not right now. He is too raw. Needs a couple of years of FC cricket. One year if it's the Indian FC system. :P
 
Amir (in his current form)
Don't know why people thinks Babar will make the cut ahead of Rahul (who usually bats at 4). Since Shikar left, Rahul is opening, in that scenerio, Babar would be playing at 4. But if Dhoni keeps on being promoted to 4, there is no room for Babar in team India.
 
Only Mohammed Amir and Babar Azam would probably make it. Rest are not good enough.

Babar can easily become India's #4.
 
When I see these threads, I imagine a world without boundaries. Treat whole world as a country and all countries as states.
 
MMHS said:
Unless you guys start to be realistic in hyping your players, day by day it'll become desperate for you guys. For few days, I don't see some regular posters here, which is unfortunate and they themselves are only to blame for digging hole. Try to learn the game and be realistic - and don't over sell bang average players.
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Except the four Indian players I mentioned the rest are bang average as well, with Dhoni retiring soon. Difference is Indian board and management know how to build their skills, and selections are on merit and form not due to favouritism. Pakistani players have confidence issue and lack of international exposure for youngsters means they melt under pressure.
 
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Only Babar can, the rest are mediocre and would have hard time breaking into even Bangladesh's 11.
 
Only Babar and maybe Amir. India's middle order looks raw and mediocre and Babar would make it in there at no.4 while Amir(on his day) is deadly and would make it in the XI.
 
Possibly Babar.

In the squad maybe Amir but I'd take Bumrah and Bhuvneshwar in a current 11.
 
Babar and Amir for sure.
Babar would bat at 4.
Amir would be first change bowler. He is turning out to be great death over bowler.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
On current form:

1) Rohit Sharma
2) Shikkar Dhawan
3) Virat Kohli
4) Babar Azam
5) Mohammad Hafeez
6) MS Dhoni(Wk)
7) Hardik Pandya
8) Mohammad Amir
9) Bhuvneswhar Kumar/Kuldeep Yadav
10) Yuzvendra Chahal
11) Jasprit Bumrah
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Mohammad Hafeez???!!!! You sure do have a sense of humor.

Babar Azam is too meek and robotic, and would rather play cute shots than accelerate or hit out as needed by the match situation.

Indian bowling unit doing well as it is to think of adding Amir.

However, if there is one person in the Pakistan line up who could merit any consideration for inclusion in the Indian side, that can only be Amir.
 
xbronze said:
Mohammad Hafeez???!!!! You sure do have a sense of humor.

Babar Azam is too meek and robotic, and would rather play cute shots than accelerate or hit out as needed by the match situation.

Indian bowling unit doing well as it is to think of adding Amir.

However, if there is one person in the Pakistan line up who could merit any consideration for inclusion in the Indian side, that can only be Amir.
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Who and what has India's Number 5 done in recent past? You have a very good sense of humour to not consider that.

Mohammad Hafeez has scored more runs than most of the Indian batsmen at the World Cup, with a man of the match performance to his name against the Number 1 team. Which Indian has that?
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Who and what has India's Number 5 done in recent past? You have a very good sense of humour to not consider that.

Mohammad Hafeez has scored more runs than most of the Indian batsmen at the World Cup, with a man of the match performance to his name against the Number 1 team. Which Indian has that?
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Jhadhav had scored 120 runs against the No 1 team and successfully chased 350 plus core even outpacing Kohli. Plus he bowls too. And has better average, strike rate and nerves of steel that Hafeez.
 
Dingolfy said:
Jhadhav had scored 120 runs against the No 1 team and successfully chased 350 plus core even outpacing Kohli. Plus he bowls too. And has better average, strike rate and nerves of steel that Hafeez.
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I think that was in India, he hasn't done much at this World Cup or CT 2017. Actually, I have never seen him play a match winning innings except for the one you mentioned.

Though, everyone can have their own opinion and he might be better than Mohammad Hafeez.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
I think that was in India, he hasn't done much at this World Cup or CT 2017. Actually, I have never seen him play a match winning innings except for the one you mentioned.

Though, everyone can have their own opinion and he might be better than Mohammad Hafeez.
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No wonder Jhadav hasn't done much in CT17 and 2019 WC. He has got to face a total of only 34 balls in these two tournaments combined, so far.


Believe it or not in CT17 Jhadav got to bat only 2 times, such was the dominance of the Indian top 3.

Against SRL he got 25* off 13 balls. And in the final he failed like everyone else.

And in this WC he has literally faced only 8 balls. Made 9* off that. Against Pakistan.
 
I wouldn't want any. Babar is a top 3 bat and we don't need that. Certainly not hafeez lol. I would have taken Shaheen over bhuvi if he wasn't so hopelessly out of form though.
 
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