How many Pakistanis/desi Muslims abroad eat halal and non-halal?

[Kroll]

This is like those Pepsi vs Coke arguments.

In a blind taste test, nobody would be able to tell the difference.

Maybe not taste wise, but I have read somewhere that halal meat is more tender and juicy compared to jhatka meat.

 

[Captain caveman]

This is actually stunning the animal before it is killed.

Correct, but when pushed by the interviewer, the guy said that the shock given was enough to kill the animal.

 

[Boi]

No genuine halal meat in the uk!

WHAT? NO! Thats rubbish!

I'm afraid its true!
Unless you go to an islamic abertoir and have an animal slaughtered in front of you.
I saw this on bbc news a few years ago, when the guy in charge of slaugter of animals for human consumption( cant remember his name and job title) confirmed that over 97% of all animals slaughtered in the uk for human consumption are given electric shock to kill them.
Also think about it, most halal abetoirs only play a recording of the quranic sacrifice verses in the background while slitting the throat of an already dead animal!
Just thought i let you guys know.

HMC certified meat is non stunned. They monitor each of their certified slaughter houses to make sure everything is done appropriately.
That doesn’t mean to say that other slaughterhouses don’t stun their chickens and your claim still might be correct. That’s why it’s better for those in the UK to be vary of these things and check if meat is certified by a trusted body like HMC.

 

[Kroll]

HMC certified meat is non stunned. They monitor each of their certified slaughter houses to make sure everything is done appropriately.
That doesn’t mean to say that other slaughterhouses don’t stun their chickens and your claim still might be correct. That’s why it’s better for those in the UK to be vary of these things and check if meat is certified by a trusted body like HMC.

Good point, for anyone interested, here's an article for the same: https://halalhmc.org/resources/issues-of-mechanical-slaughter-and-stunning/

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

There's always fillet-o-fish and I think most if not all Maccis do veggie burgers.

Yeah well they both taste like crap to me, honestly.

 

[imrankhannsu]

TBH after I came to UK I didnt know that there is another layer for halal. As I used to live in countries were halal was a norm I thought one had to avoid pork etc.

Also some people told me if you are in a foreign land it is permissable to eat chicken done non halal way.

However for the past 8 years I have sticked to halal Allhamdullilah except for the odd 1 or 2 occasion when I was outside UK for a business meeting.

 

[Captain caveman]

Good point, for anyone interested, here's an article for the same: https://halalhmc.org/resources/issues-of-mechanical-slaughter-and-stunning/

What about their lamb, sheep, goat and cows?

 

[Captain caveman]

HMC certified meat is non stunned. They monitor each of their certified slaughter houses to make sure everything is done appropriately.
That doesn’t mean to say that other slaughterhouses don’t stun their chickens and your claim still might be correct. That’s why it’s better for those in the UK to be vary of these things and check if meat is certified by a trusted body like HMC.

Does this include lamb, sheep,.goat and cows?
The bloke on the tv was the head of uk meat industry and said 97% of all meat in the uk was stunned.
Chickens are not classified as meat but poultry, so this may be were the difference lies.

 

[Boi]

Does this include lamb, sheep,.goat and cows?
The bloke on the tv was the head of uk meat industry and said 97% of all meat in the uk was stunned.
Chickens are not classified as meat but poultry, so this may be were the difference lies.

Yes it does include chicken and all other meat.

 

[Kroll]

Yeah well they both taste like crap to me, honestly.

True, not to everyone's taste. At least, there's some halal KFC's to cater for Muslims in the UK.

 

[James]

Halal meat is widely used at Yorkshire eateries, so naturally I consume quite a lot of the stuff. Mainly chicken (nicer than non-Halal chicken imo), and “fake” pepperoni and salami - presumably these are made from either turkey or beef, and although not the real thing they still taste pretty good.

 

[cric_man]

I hope all my friends here that are advocating keeping strict Zabihah also have no Credit Cards, do not have a savings account at the bank, make sure their financial investments (401k equivalent in UK) does not have a single share of any institution that comes in contact with Riba and have bought their houses/cars on cash

 

[Pakistanian]

I hope all my friends here that are advocating keeping strict Zabihah also have no Credit Cards, do not have a savings account at the bank, make sure their financial investments (401k equivalent in UK) does not have a single share of any institution that comes in contact with Riba and have bought their houses/cars on cash

^This.

I hope they also don't take student loans, invest in stocks, pay any kind of insurance, pay taxes to a non-Muslim govt, buy any food products like ice cream and chips since many of those also contain non-halal ingredients and stop using any technology or product if the creator supports anti-Muslim causes.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I hope all my friends here that are advocating keeping strict Zabihah also have no Credit Cards, do not have a savings account at the bank, make sure their financial investments (401k equivalent in UK) does not have a single share of any institution that comes in contact with Riba and have bought their houses/cars on cash

Eating is seen as different to credit interest even though it may or not be the same in the eyes of the Lord. Not really a good comparison but it's a fair point.

I have never , no need and have never been so desperate for a bit of meat I will eat anything. If no meat around there is always seafood.

 

[Pakpak]

Eating is seen as different to credit interest even though it may or not be the same in the eyes of the Lord. Not really a good comparison but it's a fair point.

I have never , no need and have never been so desperate for a bit of meat I will eat anything. If no meat around there is always seafood.

With seafood I am not sure if people are aware that most fish and chip shops use beer in their batter.

 

[KingKhanWC]

With seafood I am not sure if people are aware that most fish and chip shops use beer in their batter.

True but not all. Even some of the butter or lard could contain non-halal ingredients.

I was referring to fresh fish restaurants etc when abroad travelling but you have bought up a very good point. Eating non-halal meat is a no no but many of these will eat food which contains non-halal ingredients. I can understand this but its up to the individual, too silly for anyone else to Judge them over sweets, butter etc.

 

[cric_man]

Eating is seen as different to credit interest even though it may or not be the same in the eyes of the Lord. Not really a good comparison but it's a fair point.

I have never , no need and have never been so desperate for a bit of meat I will eat anything. If no meat around there is always seafood.

I was being facetious for the judgmental types.

It should be a personal matter.... to each his own. Unless you believe that you are a model muslim whose each and every action is based on the teaching of the Quran and the Sunnah of our Prophet (PBUH), we should strive to better ourselves without casting stones on others.

 

[Kroll]

With seafood I am not sure if people are aware that most fish and chip shops use beer in their batter.

I think most Muslims avoid traditional fish and chip eateries. If you're lucky enough, there's a few halal fish and chip shops (or takeaways that do traditional style) that have opened up where there are large Muslim communities.

Plus you can get decent seafood from the supermarkets. Bought some frozen cod fillets recently, made them into crispy masala fish which was real tasty.

 

[sweep_shot]

I hope all my friends here that are advocating keeping strict Zabihah also have no Credit Cards, do not have a savings account at the bank, make sure their financial investments (401k equivalent in UK) does not have a single share of any institution that comes in contact with Riba and have bought their houses/cars on cash

I have a credit card but I have zero balance. I always pay off the balance or use debit card.

I have a savings account but I don't accept the interest. I generally donate it away.

As far as halal food, it is quite easy to keep it halal. There are so many options (in big cities specially).

It is shocking to see how so many people find it difficult to eat halal foods.

 

[Pakistanian]

I have a credit card but I have zero balance. I always pay off the balance or use debit card.

I have a savings account but I don't accept the interest. I generally donate it away.

As far as halal food, it is quite easy to keep it halal. There are so many options (in big cities specially).

It is shocking to see how so many people find it difficult to eat halal foods.

First of all those donations are not halal if it's earned through interest. Second, it's not about "difficulty to eat halal foods" - it's about a difference in opinion, in interpretation of fiqh or Islamic rulings. The Muslims you mainly see in the west who don't eat 'zabiha' halal are usually from the Middle East, Africa and East Europe - many of them are very religious and active in the Muslim community and have issues finding zabiha meat in a big city however they still eat non-zabiha meat cause according their school of thought or what their shaykh tells them - it's halal. If you live in Toronto you can ask any Arab you come across about this subject, I've they call it 'mu halal' or whatever.

 

[Captain caveman]

Salafi sheikhs like bin baz has oked eating meat prepared by Christians and Jews, I was surprised at first when I read about this.

When my dad first came to the uk in the early 1950s, there was no halal butchers, so he used to get his meat from the jewish butchers, because they didnt sell pork.
Yes he could have just ate vegetarian food, but we are pakistanis not indians, we need meat to survive!

 

[sweep_shot]

First of all those donations are not halal if it's earned through interest. Second, it's not about "difficulty to eat halal foods" - it's about a difference in opinion, in interpretation of fiqh or Islamic rulings. The Muslims you mainly see in the west who don't eat 'zabiha' halal are usually from the Middle East, Africa and East Europe - many of them are very religious and active in the Muslim community and have issues finding zabiha meat in a big city however they still eat non-zabiha meat cause according their school of thought or what their shaykh tells them - it's halal. If you live in Toronto you can ask any Arab you come across about this subject, I've they call it 'mu halal' or whatever.

If you don't use the interest, you are fine. You can give the interest away without expecting any reward from Allah (SWT). That's the ruling. You can read here: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/20695/what-should-be-done-with-interest.

Also, here is one video of Zakir Naik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EXG_XdX9uU.

I think you were confusing sadaqah with getting rid of interest money.

Regarding your halal meat statement, can you provide an authentic scholarly source? Would love to see which school of thought supports this.

 

[Captain caveman]

If meat comes from NZ which is the major exporter of halal meat, it is 100% stunned!
Halal food authority approves stunning of meat.
Most meat in uk is stunned, you can fool yourselves into thinking otherwise, but you are doing only that, fooling yourselves.
What % of halal meat is from hmc, anybody know? And do they gurantee that the meat is not stunned?
Is every animal slaughtered in seclusion, so it does not get distressed, seeing other animals being slaughtered?
Is the quranic verses read in person, for each animal slaughteted or is there just a recording in the background, hence an animal may be slaughtered halfway through the recording of the recital, rather than at the start of the recital?

 

[sweep_shot]

I have never done this, but just wondering why cant you just say bismillah before eating a non halal chicken, lamb or beef .
I know 1400 years ago, people use to kill their own animals for food and it makes sense to say a pray when you slaughter an animal, but now, in the west, who slaughters their own animal?
Surely, saying bismillah before eating it, should suffice?
Again, i have never done this, but i would appreciate a logical answer, other than it is tradition, or what it says in the holy quran.

Are you a Muslim? Just curious.

If you are a Muslim, you should know that we aren't allowed to change any ruling.

Changing the ruling is dangerous. That is how Christianity and Judaism got corrupted.

 

[Captain caveman]

Are you a Muslim? Just curious.

If you are a Muslim, you should know that we aren't allowed to change any ruling.

Changing the ruling is dangerous. That is how Christianity and Judaism got corrupted.

Alhumdullah.
But not a very strict one.
The point is that its not possible in this day and age to follow a religion to the word, which was started in the 7th century.
Its not a case of corruption, but modernisation.
For example, do you watch tv, dvds, internet, facetime, have a mobile phone, play video games or even have a photo of yourself or a loved one, you must have if you have a passport or driving licence?
All haram, no images of humans or animals allowed in islam, its considered idol worshipping -shirk the biggest sin in islam, the only sin which is unforgivable!
So tell me brother, how can not modernising islam and keeping it to its 7th century origins, possibly be followed by any one other than someone living in a cave.
Lucky for me i am a caveman - captain caveman!

 

[sweep_shot]

Alhumdullah.
But not a very strict one.
The point is that its not possible in this day and age to follow a religion to the word, which was started in the 7th century.
Its not a case of corruption, but modernisation.
For example, do you watch tv, dvds, internet, facetime, have a mobile phone, play video games or even have a photo of yourself or a loved one, you must have if you have a passport or driving licence?
All haram, no images of humans or animals allowed in islam, its considered idol worshipping -shirk the biggest sin in islam, the only sin which is unforgivable!
So tell me brother, how can not modernising islam and keeping it to its 7th century origins, possibly be followed by any one other than someone living in a cave.
Lucky for me i am a caveman - captain caveman!

Well, we have to try our level best and do as much as we possibly can. I think key is good intention and solid effort.

At a bare minimum, we should keep the 5 pillars intact (Kalima, Salah, Zakah, fasting, and Hajj). Also, we should avoid haram as much as humanely possible.

 

[cric_man]

I have a credit card but I have zero balance. I always pay off the balance or use debit card.

I have a savings account but I don't accept the interest. I generally donate it away.

As far as halal food, it is quite easy to keep it halal. There are so many options (in big cities specially).

It is shocking to see how so many people find it difficult to eat halal foods.

Awesome! and keep it up. I was being facetious.....

 

[Technics 1210]

Alhumdullah.
But not a very strict one.
The point is that its not possible in this day and age to follow a religion to the word, which was started in the 7th century.
Its not a case of corruption, but modernisation.
For example, do you watch tv, dvds, internet, facetime, have a mobile phone, play video games or even have a photo of yourself or a loved one, you must have if you have a passport or driving licence?
All haram, no images of humans or animals allowed in islam, its considered idol worshipping -shirk the biggest sin in islam, the only sin which is unforgivable!
So tell me brother, how can not modernising islam and keeping it to its 7th century origins, possibly be followed by any one other than someone living in a cave.
Lucky for me i am a caveman - captain caveman!

You are joking aren't you? How the hell is playing Snake on my mobile phone amount to shirk?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

With seafood I am not sure if people are aware that most fish and chip shops use beer in their batter.

A lot of less observant Muslims are not really going to give a toss about that because the beer is not really an intoxicant when used in batter. So they would see the fish as fish, and the batter as batter. You could argue about 100% this or 95% that, but is that really the point of it?

 

[andy0204]

Well, we have to try our level best and do as much as we possibly can. I think key is good intention and solid effort.

At a bare minimum, we should keep the 5 pillars intact (Kalima, Salah, Zakah, fasting, and Hajj). Also, we should avoid haram as much as humanely possible.

Islam is not about just about doing Kalma,Zakah,fasting,Salah and Hajj,it's about to live in the way of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.a.w) methods.

 

[Pakpak]

A lot of less observant Muslims are not really going to give a toss about that because the beer is not really an intoxicant when used in batter. So they would see the fish as fish, and the batter as batter. You could argue about 100% this or 95% that, but is that really the point of it?

Most people check ingredients of things like sweets, candy so for them I guess this would be touchy. Just thought I'd mention it

 

[Captain caveman]

Most people check ingredients of things like sweets, candy so for them I guess this would be touchy. Just thought I'd mention it

Yeah do you check the ingredients of medicines?
Cough mixtures have alcohol in them.
Capsules shell are made out of animal products i.e haram
etc etc.
I dont eat swine meat, i am not bothered about beer being used in batter for fish or gelantine in sweets. This is OTT!

 

[Boi]

If meat comes from NZ which is the major exporter of halal meat, it is 100% stunned!
Halal food authority approves stunning of meat.
Most meat in uk is stunned, you can fool yourselves into thinking otherwise, but you are doing only that, fooling yourselves.
What % of halal meat is from hmc, anybody know? And do they gurantee that the meat is not stunned?
Is every animal slaughtered in seclusion, so it does not get distressed, seeing other animals being slaughtered?
Is the quranic verses read in person, for each animal slaughteted or is there just a recording in the background, hence an animal may be slaughtered halfway through the recording of the recital, rather than at the start of the recital?

There are many HMC certified outlets in the UK. It’s actually very popular now that it isn’t even hard to find meat or restaurants that are certified by HMC, especially in the bigger cities.
HFA approve stunned meat as halal whereas HMC only certifies slaughterhouses after thorough checking that their processes follow in accordance to strict Halal protocol, ensuring animals aren’t stunned prior to slaughter.

 

[Boi]

Yeah do you check the ingredients of medicines?
Cough mixtures have alcohol in them.
Capsules shell are made out of animal products i.e haram
etc etc.
I dont eat swine meat, i am not bothered about beer being used in batter for fish or gelantine in sweets. This is OTT!

If the medicine is a necessity and there is no alternative I think that surely is a different case to beer being put in fish and chips or non halal gelatine used in sweets - which aren’t a necessity and there are alternative available. Nothing OTT about it. It’s a matter of faith for each individual. The spiritual argument from believers is that all these little things that you might think are over the top end up affecting us in ways that we don’t realise. That’s why we should be cautious and do our thorough research, making sure what we are feeding our bodies is genuinely halal.

 

[Pakpak]

Yeah do you check the ingredients of medicines?
Cough mixtures have alcohol in them.
Capsules shell are made out of animal products i.e haram
etc etc.
I dont eat swine meat, i am not bothered about beer being used in batter for fish or gelantine in sweets. This is OTT!

Not sure why you're going off on me.

 

[Captain caveman]

There are many HMC certified outlets in the UK. It’s actually very popular now that it isn’t even hard to find meat or restaurants that are certified by HMC, especially in the bigger cities.
HFA approve stunned meat as halal whereas HMC only certifies slaughterhouses after thorough checking that their processes follow in accordance to strict Halal protocol, ensuring animals aren’t stunned prior to slaughter.

Do you really believe that a full quran recital pray is recited by the butcher who slaughters each animal?
Do you know how long this would take?
A recording is just played in the background, the animal may be slaughter inbetween the recital pray.
And as i keep telling you NZ lamb and meat are the worlds largest halal meat exporters in the world and all their meat is stunned before its slaughtered..
Are these HMC outlets actual abertoirs with live livestock entering, or are the animals already dead on arrival?
Is it even legal to transport live livestock from say scotland or ireand to england for slaughter? (Thats where most beef comes from in the uk).
I recommend you visit one of these sites before putting so much trust into it.

 

[Abdullah719]

Do you really believe that a full quran recital pray is recited by the butcher who slaughters each animal?
Do you know how long this would take?

'Full Quran recital pray' - Can you elaborate on this, captain...

How long does it take to say Bismillah

 

[Captain caveman]

'Full Quran recital pray' - Can you elaborate on this, captain...

How long does it take to say Bismillah

"The act of slaughtering itself is preceded by mentioning the name of God. Invoking the name of God at the moment of slaughtering is sometimes interpreted as acknowledgment of God's right over all things and thanking God for the sustenance he provides: it is a sign the food is taken not in sin or in gluttony, but to survive and praise Allah, as the most common blessing is, Bismillah, or "In the name of God". It is not regarded appropriate to use the phrase "Bismillah al Raḥmān Al Raḥīm" (In the name of God the Beneficent the Merciful) in this situation, because slaughtering is an act of subdual rather than mercy.

According to Islamic tradition, the animal is brought to the place of slaughter and laid down gently so as to not injure it. It is sunnah but not fard that the head of the animal be facing the Qibla.[16] The blade must be kept hidden until the very last moment while the jugular of the animal is felt. The conventional method used to slaughter the animal involves cutting the large arteries in the neck along with the esophagus and trachea with one swipe of a non-serrated blade. Care must be taken that the nervous system is not damaged, as this may cause the animal to die before exsanguination has taken place. During the swipe of the blade, the head must not be decapitated. While blood is draining, the animal is not handled until it has died.
It is also compulsory that each animal must be slaughtered individually and in seclusion. In a poultry farm or slaughter house, one animal must not witness another animal being slaughtered.[17]

This method adheres to Islamic law (it ensures the animal does not die by any of the Haraam methods) and helps to effectively drain blood from the animal. This may be important because the consumption of blood itself is forbidden in Islam."

Taken from 'dhabihah' article in wikipedia.

So how long will this take for each animal to be slaughtered?
While blood is draining, the animal is not handled until it has died.
It is also compulsory that each animal must be slaughtered individually and in seclusion. In a poultry farm or slaughter house, one animal must not witness another animal being slaughtered.

Do you really believe this is carried out in the uk?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Most people check ingredients of things like sweets, candy so for them I guess this would be touchy. Just thought I'd mention it

I know most people do this, but obviously that is something which desi Muslims in particular have added to their own understanding, if you just went by the verses in the Quran I doubt they are that particular.

 

[Boi]

Do you really believe that a full quran recital pray is recited by the butcher who slaughters each animal?
Do you know how long this would take?
A recording is just played in the background, the animal may be slaughter inbetween the recital pray.
And as i keep telling you NZ lamb and meat are the worlds largest halal meat exporters in the world and all their meat is stunned before its slaughtered..
Are these HMC outlets actual abertoirs with live livestock entering, or are the animals already dead on arrival?
Is it even legal to transport live livestock from say scotland or ireand to england for slaughter? (Thats where most beef comes from in the uk).
I recommend you visit one of these sites before putting so much trust into it.

Bro you can check their website to see all the details regarding the protocols that are followed.
I don’t need to visit these sites when many well respected Islamic scholars across the UK have done their research and endorsed that HMC are legit.

 

[Captain caveman]

Bro you can check their website to see all the details regarding the protocols that are followed.
I don’t need to visit these sites when many well respected Islamic scholars across the UK have done their research and endorsed that HMC are legit.

If you are happy, then cool.
But you can't claim ignorance on judgement day because you chose to take the word of another and not checked it for yourself, if things are not legit, which i don't know are or not and i am not claiming either way.

 

[Boi]

If you are happy, then cool.
But you can't claim ignorance on judgement day because you chose to take the word of another and not checked it for yourself, if things are not legit, which i don't know are or not and i am not claiming either way.

The only way someone can ensure the meat or poultry is entirely halal is if you slaughter under your own supervision. Unfortunately, that isn’t possible in this country so it is down to the Muslim community to come up with regulatory bodies to monitor the factors involved in making food halal. HMC is very well respected and not only endorsed by scholars in the UK but across the world, including Mufti Taqi Usmani. As long as a sincere effort is being made by a community to strive in ensuring Halal, that’s what really matters. Ultimately, Allah swt will decide whether these efforts are accepted or not.

 

[Abdullah719]

"The act of slaughtering itself is preceded by mentioning the name of God. Invoking the name of God at the moment of slaughtering is sometimes interpreted as acknowledgment of God's right over all things and thanking God for the sustenance he provides: it is a sign the food is taken not in sin or in gluttony, but to survive and praise Allah, as the most common blessing is, Bismillah, or "In the name of God". It is not regarded appropriate to use the phrase "Bismillah al Raḥmān Al Raḥīm" (In the name of God the Beneficent the Merciful) in this situation, because slaughtering is an act of subdual rather than mercy.

According to Islamic tradition, the animal is brought to the place of slaughter and laid down gently so as to not injure it. It is sunnah but not fard that the head of the animal be facing the Qibla.[16] The blade must be kept hidden until the very last moment while the jugular of the animal is felt. The conventional method used to slaughter the animal involves cutting the large arteries in the neck along with the esophagus and trachea with one swipe of a non-serrated blade. Care must be taken that the nervous system is not damaged, as this may cause the animal to die before exsanguination has taken place. During the swipe of the blade, the head must not be decapitated. While blood is draining, the animal is not handled until it has died.
It is also compulsory that each animal must be slaughtered individually and in seclusion. In a poultry farm or slaughter house, one animal must not witness another animal being slaughtered.[17]

This method adheres to Islamic law (it ensures the animal does not die by any of the Haraam methods) and helps to effectively drain blood from the animal. This may be important because the consumption of blood itself is forbidden in Islam."

Taken from 'dhabihah' article in wikipedia.

So how long will this take for each animal to be slaughtered?
While blood is draining, the animal is not handled until it has died.
It is also compulsory that each animal must be slaughtered individually and in seclusion. In a poultry farm or slaughter house, one animal must not witness another animal being slaughtered.

Do you really believe this is carried out in the uk?

I don't know, nor am I concerned about it.

The point was that there is 'Quran recital' that takes place. Usually, just Bismillah is recited when the animal is being slaughtered.

 

[Captain caveman]

I don't know, nor am I concerned about it.

The point was that there is 'Quran recital' that takes place. Usually, just Bismillah is recited when the animal is being slaughtered.

"the most common blessing is, Bismillah, or "In the name of God".
From above.
When i was in lahore for qurbani, the butchers use to recite some passages/ prays before doing the zeba, i thougjt this was common practice, but from above, saying bismillah is sufficient.

 

[Vegitto1]

Rather become a vegetarian than eat haram food.

 

[Captain caveman]

Rather become a vegetarian than eat haram food.

Not too many pakistanis can live on a veg diet.

 

[PakPremi]

Not too many pakistanis can live on a veg diet.

If a choice is between haram and vegetarian than most would.

 

[Rizie]

The real purpose of food being halal or haram is to make sure its beneficial to your body and mind.

I can see many desi people who eat only halal but are overweight or not fit.

So personally for me I do avoid pork but other than that I eat what I want only if its good to me

 

[Captain caveman]

If a choice is between haram and vegetarian than most would.

Maybe or maybe not.
I have seen alot of muslims tucking into a nice juicey big mac!

 

[Captain caveman]

The real purpose of food being halal or haram is to make sure its beneficial to your body and mind.

I can see many desi people who eat only halal but are overweight or not fit.

So personally for me I do avoid pork but other than that I eat what I want only if its good to me

I eat what i want and its mostly bad for me because thats what i enjoy - chips, burgers, pizzas, chocolates, cakes, ice cream, biscuits, crisps etc etc.
No point living if you cant eat delicious food.

Your point is valid though, halal food especially meat, is done to protect peoples heath. Swine at the time carried deadly parasites and germs, so was forbidden. Zeba was done to permitted animals for human consumption as stated in the holy quran, to drain the blood from the animal, blood carries the most viruses and bacteria in an animal and thats why its forbidden to be consumed in islam.

A couple things:

First why must the animal be alive when the zeba is done, surely this is painful for the animal and is just cruel.
In western or non muslim countries saying bismillah before eating non halal meat(not swine) should suffice, as you are saying the same thing as when the animal is slaughtered in a halal manner and thanking Allah. Furthermore, western abertoirs are much cleaner than in the east and therefore risk of disease is lower because the meat is handled more hygienically which we have established as the reason for halal meat and to thank Allah for this meat, which we can do by saying bismillah before eating non halal food(not swine).

Secondly, how did the holy quran know about swine being disease ridden and blood being disease carrying, back in the 7th century, centuries before the west knew about bacteria and viruses!
Truely amazing. SubhanAllah!

 

[Danyaalr01]

Luckily for me it most beef, chicken and lamb in NZ is halal as we export our meat to the middle east and even Pakistan. I'm in the US right now for vacation and it is so much more difficult to find halal restaurants and take away. Many Muslims here get New Zealand lamb. Many have to drive hours to get halal meat. In NZ we have halal butchers everywhere. You would have to drive max 10 minutes. The quality of meat in the US is also lower.

There is sometimes the problem of alcohol in fish in chips so we just go some place else.

 

[Captain caveman]

Luckily for me it most beef, chicken and lamb in NZ is halal as we export our meat to the middle east and even Pakistan. I'm in the US right now for vacation and it is so much more difficult to find halal restaurants and take away. Many Muslims here get New Zealand lamb. Many have to drive hours to get halal meat. In NZ we have halal butchers everywhere. You would have to drive max 10 minutes. The quality of meat in the US is also lower.

There is sometimes the problem of alcohol in fish in chips so we just go some place else.

Oh my poor, poor boy.
I am going to ruin your life now, but i cannot hide the truth from you.
All meat and poultry in NZ is 100% stunned!
Yes NZ is the largest exporters of halal meat in the world, but all this meat was stunned. All the authorities in the muslim countries know this.
So technically, there is no halal meat in NZ.
You can confirm this with a simple google search.
I am so sorry that i have ruined your life.

 

[Abdullah719]

Oh my poor, poor boy.
I am going to ruin your life now, but i cannot hide the truth from you.
All meat and poultry in NZ is 100% stunned!
Yes NZ is the largest exporters of halal meat in the world, but all this meat was stunned. All the authorities in the muslim countries know this.
So technically, there is no halal meat in NZ.
You can confirm this with a simple google search.
I am so sorry that i have ruined your life.

https://mia.co.nz/what-we-do/trade/halal/

WHAT ABOUT EXEMPTIONS FOR HALAL SLAUGHTER?

In New Zealand there is no exemption to the requirement for pre-slaughter stunning, unlike in some other countries. Halal slaughter requires that the animal dies from the “halal cut” to the throat, i.e. that the pre-slaughter stun is not powerful enough to kill the animal. In premises that undertake halal slaughter in New Zealand, reversible electrical stunning is used to ensure that animals are rendered unconscious instantaneously and remain unconscious at the time of slaughter, thus complying with both animal welfare and halal requirements.

 

[Captain caveman]

https://mia.co.nz/what-we-do/trade/halal/

WHAT ABOUT EXEMPTIONS FOR HALAL SLAUGHTER?

In New Zealand there is no exemption to the requirement for pre-slaughter stunning, unlike in some other countries. Halal slaughter requires that the animal dies from the “halal cut” to the throat, i.e. that the pre-slaughter stun is not powerful enough to kill the animal. In premises that undertake halal slaughter in New Zealand, reversible electrical stunning is used to ensure that animals are rendered unconscious instantaneously and remain unconscious at the time of slaughter, thus complying with both animal welfare and halal requirements.

Yes sir you are correct that the animals in theory are not killed when stunned, but in practice many are. Now you can dispute this if you like, but there is no scientific measurement that will tell you how much electricity will only make an animal unconscious and how much will kill them, because each animal is different.
The analogy of people dying from police tasers, which are also, only suppose to disable not kill, is widely available.
In all honesty, its just a scam to fool gullible muslims.
I am all for stunning the animal before zeba as i see it as more humane, but like the article i posted earlier said, halal meat cannot be stunned, the animal has to be awake when the zeba is done and care must be taken not to slice the animals central nervous system and not to decapitate the animal. The animal is not suppose to be touched again until it has bled to death and all the blood has drained from its body.
Sounds incredibly cruel, but that is halal meat, any deviation makes the process haram.
Obviously you say bismillah before doing the zeba.
The NZ halal meat is really not halal and is the same as the non halal meat. You can kid yourself if you want but halal meat cannot be stunned, whether stunned unconcious or stunned to death.
What you are eating is not halal meat.
Me, i'm ok with it, in fact i believe all meat for human consumption should be stunned, its much more humane.

 

[Abdullah719]

I am all for stunning the animal before zeba as i see it as more humane, but like the article i posted earlier said, halal meat cannot be stunned, the animal has to be awake when the zeba is done and care must be taken not to slice the animals central nervous system and not to decapitate the animal. The animal is not suppose to be touched again until it has bled to death and all the blood has drained from its body.
Sounds incredibly cruel, but that is halal meat, any deviation makes the process haram.
Obviously you say bismillah before doing the zeba.
The NZ halal meat is really not halal and is the same as the non halal meat. You can kid yourself if you want but halal meat cannot be stunned, whether stunned unconcious or stunned to death.

Captain, you don't get to decide that... If we're arguing on the matter of halal and haram, then scholarly opinion takes precedence.

Even a website like IslamQ&A which has very stringent opinions on most matters states that stunning is permissible if the animal is still alive, if there is no way around it.

If it is not easy to slaughter animals unless they have been stunned by a method that will not kill them before they are slaughtered, then it is permissible to stun them and slaughter them whilst they are still alive, in cases of necessity.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/127...ids-stunning-animals-before-slaughtering-them

Additionally, Muslims are not required to verify that each and every animal that they consume was slaughtered in a halal manner. If it has halal certification, it's enough. Unless there is an exceptional case, for example a company advertises their products as halal but they are actively known to not follow the required guidelines.

In this case, NZ meat is considered halal as the animal is supposed to be alive (despite being stunned) at the time of slaughter. That's all that matters.

 

[Captain caveman]

Captain, you don't get to decide that... If we're arguing on the matter of halal and haram, then scholarly opinion takes precedence.

Even a website like IslamQ&A which has very stringent opinions on most matters states that stunning is permissible if the animal is still alive, if there is no way around it.

If it is not easy to slaughter animals unless they have been stunned by a method that will not kill them before they are slaughtered, then it is permissible to stun them and slaughter them whilst they are still alive, in cases of necessity.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/127...ids-stunning-animals-before-slaughtering-them

Additionally, Muslims are not required to verify that each and every animal that they consume was slaughtered in a halal manner. If it has halal certification, it's enough. Unless there is an exceptional case, for example a company advertises their products as halal but they are actively known to not follow the required guidelines.

In this case, NZ meat is considered halal as the animal is supposed to be alive (despite being stunned) at the time of slaughter. That's all that matters.

Nice fudge.
If you are ok with it cool, each to their own.
Like i said, i am ok with animals being stunned, i think it is the right thing to do.

So called 'scholars' have their own biases and influencers.
Most muslims believe from islamic studying that stunning an animal to death or to make it unconscious is haram.
What is the difference then between halal and non halal, you might as well eat non halal and just say bismillah before you eat it.

 

[Abdullah719]

Nice fudge.
If you are ok with it cool, each to their own.
Like i said, i am ok with animals being stunned, i think it is the right thing to do.

So called 'scholars' have their own biases and influencers.
Most muslims believe from islamic studying that stunning an animal to death or to make it unconscious is haram.
What is the difference then between halal and non halal, you might as well eat non halal and just say bismillah before you eat it.

The difference is in the intention.

 

[Captain caveman]

The difference is in the intention.

No theres no difference.
Lets leave it to an individual's iman.
Like i keep saying i am ok with it, but there will be people who did not know and would not be ok with it, i did my farz to let people know, what they do or not do now is upto them.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I eat pretty much anything that is available at the butcher shop(except for the pork)

I honestly don’t care about Halal or not. Most of my friends don’t care either. Lot of people are very skeptical about eating halal only (respect to them) and want to live halal life, but some of them will cheat the govt in taxes and other benefits which provides them additional income. Halal much eh?

Hypocrites.

 

[PakPremi]

I eat pretty much anything that is available at the butcher shop(except for the pork)

I honestly don’t care about Halal or not. Most of my friends don’t care either. Lot of people are very skeptical about eating halal only (respect to them) and want to live halal life, but some of them will cheat the govt in taxes and other benefits which provides them additional income. Halal much eh?

Hypocrites.

All human beings are weak some more than others, so would naturally commit all kind of illegal or immoral things, but if your are committing sin x y z it does not mean you might as well commit sins a, b, c ,,,,, So it is better to avoid many sins as possible, eating halal food only is extremely easy especially in UK and even some other non Muslim countries. Of course where it is not easy to know ingredient in the food you should avoid but if you eaten by mistake Allah Swt would judge us favourably, Insha Allah.

 

[The_KING]

I’m not the most religious Muslim, but when it comes to Halal food, I’m very strict. I’m never eating non-Halal food, even if I’m on the verge of dying. Haram food is a big no no for me.

There is honestly no excuse for any one who calls himself/herself a Muslim to eat non halal food, especially if you live in cities like London, where Halal food shops are literally everywhere.

I find it really annoying that there are Muslims in this thread who are justifying eating non Halal food. Whether you eat Halal or not, that is you choice but don’t try to justify eating non halal food by saying that Halal meat isn’t actually Halal, so it’s okay for me to eat haram food. What nonsense!

 

[DeadBall]

There is honestly no excuse for any one who calls himself/herself a Muslim to eat non halal food, especially if you live in cities like London, where Halal food shops are literally everywhere.

Why are you so bothered about who calls themselves a Muslim or not and what they eat. They will go to their graves and will have to answer for themselves on the day of judgement. Relax, you'll live longer.

 

[Nadeemp]

Maybe not taste wise, but I have read somewhere that halal meat is more tender and juicy compared to jhatka meat.

I bet a million dollars in a blind test you will not be able to tell a difference.

 

[kk1992]

I eat pretty much anything that is available at the butcher shop(except for the pork)

I honestly don’t care about Halal or not. Most of my friends don’t care either. Lot of people are very skeptical about eating halal only (respect to them) and want to live halal life, but some of them will cheat the govt in taxes and other benefits which provides them additional income. Halal much eh?

Hypocrites.

When was the last time you made an illegal turn and decided to pay the fine or when was the last time you sped and decided to mail fine for over speeding without getting pulled over?

Hypocrites.

 

[Bigboii]

Why are you so bothered about who calls themselves a Muslim or not and what they eat. They will go to their graves and will have to answer for themselves on the day of judgement. Relax, you'll live longer.

A very good advise for people because from personal experience when I stopped getting bothered about what other people were doing I felt different mentally and was more efficient in my work and believe it or not I felt a greater connection in my Deen because there was no excuse about what others were doing SO I know this advise seems corny but it will help us become a better person in the long run both in both Deen and duniya

 

[Bigboii]

When was the last time you made an illegal turn and decided to pay the fine or when was the last time you sped and decided to mail fine for over speeding without getting pulled over?

Hypocrites.

Two bads don't make one right

 

[CanadianG00se]

When was the last time you made an illegal turn and decided to pay the fine or when was the last time you sped and decided to mail fine for over speeding without getting pulled over?

Hypocrites.

This comparison is flawed in many case. First of all, i never claimed to live halal life, so even if i do speed, its not contradicting my belief.

Do you honestly believe Speeding and Purposely cheating the system for monetary benefits are the same?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

In my experience majority of Pakistanis in US eat non halal. Majority of the Pakistanis in England eat halal only.

 

[Realromeo]

I'm Hindu but the near by meatshop selling fresh meat are all halal, I have also bought non-halal meat from other stores and you can't tell the difference lol. Anyone who claims you can taste the difference between both are liars lol.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

In my experience majority of Pakistanis in US eat non halal. Majority of the Pakistanis in England eat halal only.

Interesting. I eat halal, mainly because it is easy here, we are well catered for by our own community, and increasingly by the big supermarkets and restaurants, many of whom now offer halal options in recognition of the growing customer base.

That said though, it does annoy me when I see people lecturing others on what they should be eating. If we have Pakistanis or Arabs who want to eat non-halal, why do we feel the need to interfere? Most of them are well aware it isn't halal so they are eating it by choice in a non-Muslim country. Let them get on with it.

 

[kk1992]

This comparison is flawed in many case. First of all, i never claimed to live halal life, so even if i do speed, its not contradicting my belief.

Do you honestly believe Speeding and Purposely cheating the system for monetary benefits are the same?

You do not live a halal life but some how trying to come off of better than every other person.

I am sure you have tried to cut corners when filing taxes like every person who has ever filed tax could and just because you do not live a halal life than it is okay for you?

Stop judging and trying put yourself on a pedestal, you aren't better than anyone who does not want to eat non-halal.

makes you sound like a snob

 

[kk1992]

Two bads don't make one right

Certainly does not.