How many PPers here are from the Indian side of Kashmir?

[Strike Rate]

After a good and healthy discussion thread got derailed.

trying to get it back on track you can contribute as well

so far i found 6 posters from J&K in this thread and the number is icnreasing which is really surprising for me.

 

[hussain123]

Yea i think that was the best time to solve this issue and we missed it. I remember in start Syed Ali Gillani was against it? and IIRC he and Musharraf didn't like each other.

Geelani is the only honest leader amongst a mass of theives and traitors.i respect him for his honestly. But I think he isnt a great statesman someone like sheikh abdullah.

 

[nish_mate]

Geelani is the only honest leader amongst a mass of theives and traitors.i respect him for his honestly. But I think he isnt a great statesman someone like sheikh abdullah.

But isnt Sheikh seen as a traitor amongst the Kashmiris? Whats happened to JKLF & Hizb ul Mujahideen leaders? (Yasin Malik?) They used to be pretty big back in the day in the 90s, now its all Let or JeM

 

[Strike Rate]

Geelani is the only honest leader amongst a mass of theives and traitors.i respect him for his honestly. But I think he isnt a great statesman someone like sheikh abdullah.

Yea i truly feel he is the last one standing and People still love and respect him and even leader of all those divided groups still listen to him but now he is old and not well most of the time so after him i can't find one name that can lead all these divided groups.

 

[Strike Rate]

I was listening to Geelani the other day he was on phone line in Pakistani news channel and without naming any hurriyat leader he did mentioned that almost all hurriyat leaders were in contact with RAW and Indian Army. He actually agreed with the recent statement of former RAW head.

 

[JaDed]

Geelani is more on the lines of Arvind Kejriwal would be a disaster of a leader no offense i would had said the Lone family before he starting licking NDA's boots.
I remember Yasin Malik actually saying that Vajpayee had less chances still he made the most of it unlike Manmohan who had so many chances but did nothing.In no way that mean Yasin was a great leader but at least he doesn't discriminate blindly like Geelani no offense to anyone here.

 

[hussain123]

But isnt Sheikh seen as a traitor amongst the Kashmiris? Whats happened to JKLF & Hizb ul Mujahideen leaders? (Yasin Malik?) They used to be pretty big back in the day in the 90s, now its all Let or JeM

Yes he is.but he was a great statesman whose ego was bigger than the fate of kashmir and its people.joining pakistan would have turned him into a nobody bcoz pakistani leeaders showed more bend and respect tiwards lesser leaders which he couldnt digest and tossed the fate of kashmiris at india to remain in authority.but soon he realized accession with india was a mistake but till then damage had been done.in urdu you say, na idhar ka rha na udhar ka.as far as yasin mailik, he is the only genuine voice aftet geelani.but he is a simple, straightforward person who doesnt have understanding of the anaunces of politics.in 90s, when militamcy was at its peak, he was convinced by indian authorities through kuldip nayar that once jklf announces cease fire, any slution under the sun can be negotiated.however, once he did that,600 jklf militants were killed like sitting ducks and he was thriwn to jail.salahuddin is a nobody as long as he is in Pakistan.

 

[JaDed]

The problem with Kashmir politics, actually that of Indian politics as whole right now is there is no middle ground its about extremes.Idealism doesn't work in politics that's why i always had my doubts about Imran Khan or Kejriwal as well.Much more can be achieved without being radical and through mediation.
Nehru was an idealist i remember JRD Tata talking about how Nehru didn't want to hear the word profit coz it was bad word according to him but JRD was actually talking about public sector profit.Nehru's socialist policies were the biggest disaster and a PM living in his imaginary world wouldn't know how to run a country.

 

[Strike Rate]

Geelani is more on the lines of Arvind Kejriwal would be a disaster of a leader no offense i would had said the Lone family before he starting licking NDA's boots.
I remember Yasin Malik actually saying that Vajpayee had less chances still he made the most of it unlike Manmohan who had so many chances but did nothing.In no way that mean Yasin was a great leader but at least he doesn't discriminate blindly like Geelani no offense to anyone here.

no offense taken respect your opinion trying to follow Jyo or Jeene di rule in this thread

off topic IIRC Yaseen Malik got married to a Pakistani artist in rawalpindi i remember he was here for marriage in pindi

 

[JaDed]

no offense taken respect your opinion trying to follow Jyo or Jeene di rule in this thread

off topic IIRC Yaseen Malik got married to a Pakistani artist in rawalpindi i remember he was here for marriage in pindi

Yup i remember seeing his wedding pic as well.

 

[Yatoo]

no offense taken respect your opinion trying to follow Jyo or Jeene di rule in this thread

off topic IIRC Yaseen Malik got married to a Pakistani artist in rawalpindi i remember he was here for marriage in pindi

Yes. Some blonde.

 

[hussain123]

The problem with Kashmir politics, actually that of Indian politics as whole right now is there is no middle ground its about extremes.Idealism doesn't work in politics that's why i always had my doubts about Imran Khan or Kejriwal as well.Much more can be achieved without being radical and through mediation.
Nehru was an idealist i remember JRD Tata talking about how Nehru didn't want to hear the word profit coz it was bad word according to him but JRD was actually talking about public sector profit.Nehru's socialist policies were the biggest disaster and a PM living in his imaginary world wouldn't know how to run a country.

For once if india engages with Kashmiris honestly, things would change.but unfortunately, indian state doesnt think like you

 

[Stallion__]

They didn't lose all they are just lazy otherwise they still have a huge archive but don't want to touch it. Former PTV Sports MD mentioned that he was really interested to find and publish/share those gems from past but staff was just lazy and pathetic. Very few people know Benazir used to host a current affair program on PTV back in mid 70s when his father was PM. Here is a pic of that from PTV archive uploaded by former PTV MD but i guess the staff is just too lazy to upload some clips

[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] there was a legendary thread by [MENTION=78856]akheR[/MENTION] you should visit it some pics are no more there but some gems are still there http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...he-Pakistan-of-the-Past-through-rare-pictures

btw where is he? it's been long time not seen him active

Brilliant mate.

Thanks for sharing.

Just went through that thread and amazing contributions by akher and Major in it.

 

[Abhilash93]

Any posters from AJK ?

 

[nish_mate]

For once if india engages with Kashmiris honestly, things would change.but unfortunately, indian state doesnt think like you

Yes the Indian state should engage more with Kashmiris and more some of us read up about IA in Kashmir, it does make us aware of the genuine gripes of the Kashmiris...

Best bet for Kashmir would be self autonomy like the French Canadian province or Northern Ireland

 

[JaDed]

For once if india engages with Kashmiris honestly, things would change.but unfortunately, indian state doesnt think like you

If India engages with any of its Eastern states properly as well we wouldn't be in this situation but this decade for sure is going to be about jingoistic nationalism so tbh nothing is going to happen.NDA has the majority and they are still not taking any initiative just blind money spending that too i'm not sure who will receive what.

 

[Hawkeye]

Also my major success came from Community Tshirt apparel websites like Teespring.com , Viralstyle.com
Grab a concept/trending topic, make shirt design on that and Advertise that on Facebook. I am guilty on making Tshirts (and profiting from it) on trending topics, i will give u an example:

That's pretty awesome stuff man. Very intriguing for me as I too once tried to get into IM, did a bit of affiliate marketing but finally gave up.. I had ranked a site too for some specific keywords but bam, Panda/Penguin came.

Would you mind telling about how you did PPC? Like did you take visitors to a landing page and it had affiliate links of shirts from teespring etc., and you got the commission on sale?

I think sensible-indian-fan is also into IM, but he sells tutorials/is a coach.

 

[nish_mate]

Yes he is.but he was a great statesman whose ego was bigger than the fate of kashmir and its people.joining pakistan would have turned him into a nobody bcoz pakistani leeaders showed more bend and respect tiwards lesser leaders which he couldnt digest and tossed the fate of kashmiris at india to remain in authority.but soon he realized accession with india was a mistake but till then damage had been done.in urdu you say, na idhar ka rha na udhar ka.as far as yasin mailik, he is the only genuine voice aftet geelani.but he is a simple, straightforward person who doesnt have understanding of the anaunces of politics.in 90s, when militamcy was at its peak, he was convinced by indian authorities through kuldip nayar that once jklf announces cease fire, any slution under the sun can be negotiated.however, once he did that,600 jklf militants were killed like sitting ducks and he was thriwn to jail.salahuddin is a nobody as long as he is in Pakistan.

Cheers mate, never knew about the u turn vis a vis JKLF.... that is quite shameful

What about Lone? the big names from 90s were Sajjad Lone, Malik & Geelani.... these days hear only about geelani

 

[Strike Rate]

Brilliant mate.

Thanks for sharing.

Just went through that thread and amazing contributions by akher and Major in it.

akher was a very good poster here in TP he had many great threads but i think he is no more active or maybe posting very less these days. he had great knowledge of some specific topics (although i disagreed with his opinion on some topics)

 

[nish_mate]

If India engages with any of its Eastern states properly as well we wouldn't be in this situation but this decade for sure is going to be about jingoistic nationalism so tbh nothing is going to happen.NDA has the majority and they are still not taking any initiative just blind money spending that too i'm not sure who will receive what.

Eastern state should be a case study in how to disenfranchise/disengage an entire portion of your nation

 

[Strike Rate]

Any posters from AJK ?

There are many but i guess most of them are those living in UK (Mirpuris, Kotli etc). You can see the AJK flag with some of them here.

 

[Yatoo]

Cheers mate, never knew about the u turn vis a vis JKLF.... that is quite shameful

What about Lone? the big names from 90s were Sajjad Lone, Malik & Geelani.... these days hear only about geelani

Which Lone. The dead lone or his son?
Lone Junior is a cabinet minister in the new government.
Don't know the portfolio.

 

[nish_mate]

Which Lone. The dead lone or his son?
Lone Junior is a cabinet minister in the new government.
Don't know the portfolio.

I guess in the 90s it was Lone Senior right? You reckon there is going to be another round of militancy in the valley or is the IA deeply entrenched to allow another 90's- I know there are sporadic attacks but nothing of the scale we saw 20/30 years ago...

Would self autonomy be acceptable to Kashmiris or complete azaadi only- which quite frankly will not happen for alteast 40 more years.

 

[JaDed]

Eastern state should be a case study in how to disenfranchise/disengage an entire portion of your nation

I know and it has high potential so i don't understand why to alienate but tbf i hear the railway project near Assam are getting completed quickly under BJP and we are probably going to get a route through Bangladesh as well so may be in next 10 years the jingoistic NDA might end up connecting them to us.

 

[hussain123]

Yes the Indian state should engage more with Kashmiris and more some of us read up about IA in Kashmir, it does make us aware of the genuine gripes of the Kashmiris...

Best bet for Kashmir would be self autonomy like the French Canadian province or Northern Ireland

Had indian state not diluted the autonomy, things would never have come to this.i will repeat indian state has to engage with due honestly with both kashmir and pakistan, I dont think it will much of a time to arrive at an acceptable realiatic solution, but indian and pakistani politics doesnt give that chance as any deal will be called a sell out.i thoight modi govt would be any different, but same old rhetoric is being recycied gain.

 

[hussain123]

Which Lone. The dead lone or his son?
Lone Junior is a cabinet minister in the new government.
Don't know the portfolio.

Gupan mehkem.kadan teit gupnan guh, dand nasal

 

[nish_mate]

Had indian state not diluted the autonomy, things would never have come to this.i will repeat indian state has to engage with due honestly with both kashmir and pakistan, I dont think it will much of a time to arrive at an acceptable realiatic solution, but indian and pakistani politics doesnt give that chance as any deal will be called a sell out.i thoight modi govt would be any different, but same old rhetoric is being recycied gain.

Modi govt wont do any realisitic deal in its 1st term as it will wipe off any chances of a relection, can see it happening in 2nd term if they come back with a strong mandate, or Kashmir comes back in the national lens, atm its kind of simmering in the background but not simmering enough

 

[hussain123]

Cheers mate, never knew about the u turn vis a vis JKLF.... that is quite shameful

What about Lone? the big names from 90s were Sajjad Lone, Malik & Geelani.... these days hear only about geelani

Sajjad lone has build the reputation of a sellout.i think if umar farooq negotiates an autonomy deal with india, you may well see him as the first "pm" of jandk.and personally speaking, I am ok with that

 

[hussain123]

Modi govt wont do any realisitic deal in its 1st term as it will wipe off any chances of a relection, can see it happening in 2nd term if they come back with a strong mandate, or Kashmir comes back in the national lens, atm its kind of simmering in the background but not simmering enough

Hope that it isnt too late, bcoz the emotions here are at its peak.any event has tendency to snowball into a huge political movement.india has to cut down on its dilly delaying tactics where engagement is seen as a mere oppurtunity to buy time till things get under their hold.

 

[adwords]

That's pretty awesome stuff man. Very intriguing for me as I too once tried to get into IM, did a bit of affiliate marketing but finally gave up.. I had ranked a site too for some specific keywords but bam, Panda/Penguin came.

Would you mind telling about how you did PPC? Like did you take visitors to a landing page and it had affiliate links of shirts from teespring etc., and you got the commission on sale?

I think sensible-indian-fan is also into IM, but he sells tutorials/is a coach.

The Biggest Crowdfunding Tshirt Apparel website is www.teespring.com
In 2014, a competitor in UK/European market appeared www.fabrily.com
Teespring acquired Fabrily and now Fabrily is division of Teespring operating primarily to UK/European market
If you want to market to USA/canada/australia etc countries, use teespring.com
If you want to market to UK/European countries, use www.fabrily.com
You only design the Tshirt and do marketing, these websites will print, accept money for the sales, dropship shirt to your customers and will give you profits
Typically on a $20 costprice, your profit per shirt will be about $10 t0 $11, you are responsible for marketing
say you manage to sell 100 Tshirts, thats 100 x $11 = $220 profits, if you spend $100 on Facebook advertising to sell 100 shirts then your profit is 220-100=120$ per campaign
If you have like 10 such campaigns running at same time and selling like 1000 shirts per week, you can make some fast and good cash

You goto www.teespring.com or www.fabrily.com and create a free account, within the account you upload your created design (PNG vector graphics file) and create a Tshirt

Assuming you have a Facebook account, its pretty simple to open a Facebook advertising account (google it, you should see plenty of help/videos) - you must have a valid creditcard to fund your account

To understand the concept better,i will give u an example:
See attached a Tshirt campaign which i launched last month using www.fabrily.com (my primary market/target was UK, hence used Fabrily.com for this campaign)
Tshirt link is https://fabrily.com/wifeash
Now i need to market this link to "appropriate" people to sell these tshirts
looking at this tshirt, it must be pretty simple whom to target for these shirts

I create Facebook Newsfees ad, using image and the above link - and select following Interest in Facebook advertising account

Ad#1
Country: UK
Male
Married
Age: 30 to 40
Interest: Lords Cricket Ground, Ashes .... You can add multiple interest here

Ad#2
Ad#1
Country: UK
Male
Married
Age: 40 to 50
Interest: Lords Cricket Ground, Ashes .... You can add multiple interest here

I am split testing between 2 Age criteria here (to splittest which age group is more profitable)
You redirect all traffic from this FB ad to https://fabrily.com/wifeash

Depending upon your 1-2 day results, you scale your ads/ad budget on daily basis

I just give you an Ashes example, there are 100's of other topics/trends which i work on.

 

[adwords]

Cant edit above post, want to edit some numbers

******
Typically on a $20 costprice of a Tshirt, your profit per shirt will be about $10 t0 $11, you are responsible for marketing
say you manage to sell 100 Tshirts , thats 100 x $11 = $1100 profits, if you spend $500 on Facebook advertising to sell 100 shirts then your profit is 1100-500=600$ per campaign
*******

 

[Hawkeye]

[MENTION=29232]adwords[/MENTION], that's gold. Very useful information, many thanks.

Do you maintain a page, or just direct link to Tees website in newsfeed ad?

Thread going pretty off-topic, sorry strike rate uncle.

 

[nish_mate]

The Biggest Crowdfunding Tshirt Apparel website is www.teespring.com
In 2014, a competitor in UK/European market appeared www.fabrily.com
Teespring acquired Fabrily and now Fabrily is division of Teespring operating primarily to UK/European market
If you want to market to USA/canada/australia etc countries, use teespring.com
If you want to market to UK/European countries, use www.fabrily.com
You only design the Tshirt and do marketing, these websites will print, accept money for the sales, dropship shirt to your customers and will give you profits
Typically on a $20 costprice, your profit per shirt will be about $10 t0 $11, you are responsible for marketing
say you manage to sell 100 Tshirts, thats 100 x $11 = $220 profits, if you spend $100 on Facebook advertising to sell 100 shirts then your profit is 220-100=120$ per campaign
If you have like 10 such campaigns running at same time and selling like 1000 shirts per week, you can make some fast and good cash

You goto www.teespring.com or www.fabrily.com and create a free account, within the account you upload your created design (PNG vector graphics file) and create a Tshirt

Assuming you have a Facebook account, its pretty simple to open a Facebook advertising account (google it, you should see plenty of help/videos) - you must have a valid creditcard to fund your account

To understand the concept better,i will give u an example:
See attached a Tshirt campaign which i launched last month using www.fabrily.com (my primary market/target was UK, hence used Fabrily.com for this campaign)
Tshirt link is https://fabrily.com/wifeash
Now i need to market this link to "appropriate" people to sell these tshirts
looking at this tshirt, it must be pretty simple whom to target for these shirts

I create Facebook Newsfees ad, using image and the above link - and select following Interest in Facebook advertising account

Ad#1
Country: UK
Male
Married
Age: 30 to 40
Interest: Lords Cricket Ground, Ashes .... You can add multiple interest here

Ad#2
Ad#1
Country: UK
Male
Married
Age: 40 to 50
Interest: Lords Cricket Ground, Ashes .... You can add multiple interest here

I am split testing between 2 Age criteria here (to splittest which age group is more profitable)
You redirect all traffic from this FB ad to https://fabrily.com/wifeash

Depending upon your 1-2 day results, you scale your ads/ad budget on daily basis

I just give you an Ashes example, there are 100's of other topics/trends which i work on.
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Cheers mate you have inadvertently solved a dilemna of mine

 

[adwords]

[MENTION=29232]adwords[/MENTION], that's gold. Very useful information, many thanks.

Do you maintain a page, or just direct link to Tees website in newsfeed ad?

Thread going pretty off-topic, sorry strike rate uncle.

Your 1 Facebook account can have multiple fanpages
I have like 600 fanpages in my 1 fb account. I group t-shirts according to niches
For eg. I love horse riding . I love cycling. English Cricket. I love KP Etc etc
My VA constantly work on these pages in putting appropriate post content on them and in between we put Tshirt posts and promote that post via Facebook ads

 

[Firebreaker]

are you arab ?

I am an Emirati not an Arab

 

[Hawkeye]

Your 1 Facebook account can have multiple fanpages
I have like 600 fanpages in my 1 fb account. I group t-shirts according to niches
For eg. I love horse riding . I love cycling. English Cricket. I love KP Etc etc
My VA constantly work on these pages in putting appropriate post content on them and in between we put Tshirt posts and promote that post via Facebook ads

Thank you! Might try the method, will let you know how it goes!

 

[Strike Rate]

[MENTION=29232]adwords[/MENTION], that's gold. Very useful information, many thanks.

Do you maintain a page, or just direct link to Tees website in newsfeed ad?

Thread going pretty off-topic, sorry strike rate uncle.

bache jab tumhari income lag jaaye IM se to uncle ko aik choti see party de dena derail kerne ka badla utera jayega

btw are you into web stuff as well i mean php html css seo wordpress etc?

 

[Hawkeye]

bache jab tumhari income lag jaaye IM se to uncle ko aik choti see party de dena derail kerne ka badla utera jayega

btw are you into web stuff as well i mean php html css seo wordpress etc?

Haha, sure!

Yep, a bit.

 

[Strike Rate]

Haha, sure!

Yep, a bit.

cool than you should work on some online business ideas i am sure you will succeed because you basic knowledge of everything related to it.

 

[Slog]

Eastern state should be a case study in how to disenfranchise/disengage an entire portion of your nation

why what happened?

 

[Abhilash93]

There are many but i guess most of them are those living in UK (Mirpuris, Kotli etc). You can see the AJK flag with some of them here.

Ok. Googled the flag! Must have missed it.

 

[Madplayer]

Do you guys have soft corner for congress govt when comparing with BJP govt or it's opposite? Have you ever watched a indo-pak cricket match in an indian stadium?

We dont have a soft corner for any indian political party. But Congress is considered lesser of the two evils when compared to bjp.

No i havent watched an Indo-Pak match or any match for that matter in a stadium so far.

I think it was in the 70s (or the 80s) that a cricket match took place in kashmir between WI and India. And Indian players fielding at the boundary were greeted with tomatoes .i have heard that the westindian captain even mentioned that they dont get this much support even while playing in the west indies lol

 

[Strike Rate]

We dont have a soft corner for any indian political party. But Congress is considered lesser of the two evils when compared to bjp.

No i havent watched an Indo-Pak match or any match for that matter in a stadium so far.

I think it was in the 70s (or the 80s) that a cricket match took place in kashmir between WI and India. And Indian players fielding at the boundary were greeted with tomatoes .i have heard that the westindian captain even mentioned that they dont get this much support even while playing in the west indies lol

lol i just searched and found that 2 ODIs were played in Srinagar (including the one you mentioned) and India lost both

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64286.html (1986)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64217.html (1983)

 

[nish_mate]

why what happened?

Multiple reasons:
No Investment in Infra or Economy for Years
Poor links to rest of the country
inherent racism towards the North Eastern Indians by the rest of the mainland Indians- especially in Delhi & Northern India- been calling them chinki
Abuse of AFSPA
No check on "evangelic" activities and allegedly in case of Assam- due to loose borders with BD, massive influx of BDers, leading to resentment
No coherent policy for amalgmating NE with the rest of India
Vote Politics

 

[Sidilicious]

Multiple reasons:
No Investment in Infra or Economy for Years
Poor links to rest of the country
inherent racism towards the North Eastern Indians by the rest of the mainland Indians- especially in Delhi & Northern India- been calling them chinki
Abuse of AFSPA
No check on "evangelic" activities and allegedly in case of Assam- due to loose borders with BD, massive influx of BDers, leading to resentment
No coherent policy for amalgmating NE with the rest of India
Vote Politics

Its changing though.

The thing that has really helped India is the growth in economy. A lot of people have been going outside of Assam to study and work, and this has brought the country closer. Though I do agree about the racism and integration aspect. Racism still exists but the infra is definitely improving. At least in Assam. Cant talk about Nagaland, Mizoram, Tripura and Manipur.

 

[junaid.ahmed]

indian govt recently trying to change the ratio of Kashmir's population demography by bringing peoples from other parts of india particularly from punjab & himachel & helping them to settle there permanently, I know that this will not work rapidly but with the passage of time this will work surely as they can held election & referendum on the basis of this demo-graphical change to show the world that Kasmiris want to live under india law & constitution.

My question to Io Kashmiris bro/sis that

are you aware of this???
Do you see any strangers settled in your surroundings from other part of india???
Do you have any plans on community basis for not to settle them??? I dnt want you to disclose the plan if is there

I personally advice to do the things in different dimension & directions

. boycott them financially (not to sale/purchase with them this will not let them to settle their businesses here)
. boycott them socially (do not let them to involve & moving freely among you they should be feel like strangers every where)
. make them feel like untouchables (this is offensive but its not a new thing in india so make them to eat their own medicine, I am sure this will work)
. dnt let your kids to play & study with their kids
. make them to feel isolated on your festivals where peoples gather & joy.

plz plz dnt use weapons & keep away from violence

 

[Deosai]

I've heard Biharis and Bengalis are taking over Kashmir, is there any truth to this? This is ethnic genocide/ settler-colonialism

 

[Yatoo]

We dont have a soft corner for any indian political party. But Congress is considered lesser of the two evils when compared to bjp.

No i havent watched an Indo-Pak match or any match for that matter in a stadium so far.

I think it was in the 70s (or the 80s) that a cricket match took place in kashmir between WI and India. And Indian players fielding at the boundary were greeted with tomatoes .i have heard that the westindian captain even mentioned that they dont get this much support even while playing in the west indies lol

Clive Lloyd's team will remember the support they garnered here. During innings break some guys decided it was time to dig the pitch to protest against holding a match in disputed territory. They were jailed for long periods. Some even picked up guns.
The other match played here was Australia Vs India. And kashmiris were not allowed to enter the stadium. The stadium was filled with army in civilians (that's what I ve heard).

I watched a match in Feroz Shah Kotla. India Vs Pakistan. A lot of kashmiris witnessed the match. Some were also in pheran. It was amazing atmosphere. A guy asked me whether we are Pakistani. When I replied that we are Kashmiri he was confused as to why we are waving Pakistani flag.

 

[Yatoo]

Thanks for sharing your views with us bro. The more views shared here by local J&K users is helping us understand many things that we don't get to know through media.

One thing i want to ask to all J&K posters here do they have relatives on Pakistan's side of Kashmir? or have they ever visit Pakistan or Pakistan side of Kashmir?

No relatives.
Never visited.
The two Kashmirs don't have same ethnicity.

 

[Strike Rate]

No relatives.
Never visited.
The two Kashmirs don't have same ethnicity.

yes but i heard that some that live near LOC do have families both side of the border just like there are families on both side of pak afghan border.

 

[Strike Rate]

Not me but I know many people who do. I want to visit Pakistan but as much as I know you can only visit if you have relatives or for studies.

Yes i think that was a rule to have relatives when that bus service started in last govt.

 

[Strike Rate]

I've heard Biharis and Bengalis are taking over Kashmir, is there any truth to this? This is ethnic genocide/ settler-colonialism

Is there any rule change? I mean from what i remember Indian and Pakistanis can't buy land in both side of Kashmir

 

[Deosai]

Is there any rule change? I mean from what i remember Indian and Pakistanis can't buy land in both side of Kashmir

No, but when does India follow the rules? They're illegally settling other people during Hindu pilgrimages
I

 

[uberkoen]

No, but when does India follow the rules? They're illegally settling other people during Hindu pilgrimages
I

Do you always make such broad claims without providing evidence or facts to back them up?

 

[Raw deal]

ISIS flags shown in Kashmir again. Just read it in a news website..

 

[Strike Rate]

ISIS flags shown in Kashmir again. Just read it in a news website..

Kashmiris in general are very peaceful people but there are extremist mindset that exist everywhere in the world although in minority and that's where ISIS see it an opportunity and try to use it in their favor. If India and Pakistan can't find solution of this issue anytime soon than don't be surprised if you see an ISIS group showing up on screen from there and using Kashmir issue for their own benefit which will really hurt all 3 parties (Kashmirirs, Indians and Pakistanis).

 

[leg-side-flick]

Dude, you dont know **** about kashmir.these pandits used to treat kashmiris as deneaning serfs when we were ruled by dogras.in 1887, their was a huge drought in kashmir which killed more than 2 lakh muslims and all thanks to pandit brethren, bckz they wernt rlwasing the food grains.they have been in hand in glove with every oppressor whosoever has ruled us starting from mughals to dogras.and now under indian rule, they have abetted and aided indian state at every step in kashmir. Infact, most of the delhis narrative over kashmir was creamed up by pandits.they are too many stories to tell.i dont blame them fkr anything but one thing I have found is their hate for kashmiri muslims is unprecedented.

This is a load of BS being propounded these days to young Kashmiri Muslim men..

Please read this before you form opinions on Kashmiri Hindus

Zul Qadir Khan (Dulchu)

He was an early Turkish Tatar (or Tartar) who raided Kashmir with a savage horde of about 70,000 barbarians. His plunder lasted eight months and when he was done, it left behind rivers of blood of thousands of massacred Hindus, expansive swathes of burnt crops, razed towns, and death and destruction. That one plunder turned the Paradise into a wasteland. Dulchu would've stayed on if not for the severe winter that foiled his plans. He took with him about 50,000 kaffir men, women, and children to sell them in the lucrative slave markets in Turkistan. However, a terrible blizzard ensued when he was crossing Devsar Pass and he perished with his entire army and captives. The place was subsequently known as Bata Sagan meaning "the death oven of Brahmins."

Sikander (1389- 1413).

He perpetrated untold oppression on the Hindus of the valley; tortured them, killed them and destroyed without any mercy the idols of their worship. He earned the notoriety of having razed to the ground the famous temples, 'Vijeshwar' and 'Martand'. The fanatic despot and brutish iconoclast earned the sobriquet of 'But-Shikan'. ('Batta' is another word for Kashmiri Hindu or Pandit). He was the first fanatic to offer the infamous three choices, repeated later by others, to Kashmiri Hindus, conversion to Islam, exile, or death. As a result, mass exodus of hindu’s from the valley took place then. The savage Sultan destroyed Hindu scriptures, and, it is said that one time, he murdered so many Hindus at a stretch that the sacred thread of the murdered, weighed about 400 KG’s which he set on fire in a huge pile! The historian Jonaraja laments thus - "Struck by the fear, the Brahmins killed themselves by poison, some by ropes and others by drowning themselves in the Dal Lake, others by jumping from a precipice and others burnt themselves to death."
According to traditional sources, only eleven Brahmin families were left behind in the valley.

Sultan Zain-ul-Abedin (1420-1470),

He was popularly known as BUDSHAH was no better than his predecessor in the initial period of his rule, but when successful treatment at the hands of a famous physician, Shri Bhatt (a Kashmiri Hindu) saved him from some nearly fatal disease, a conversion of a sort took place in him and he became tolerant towards the Hindus. This paved the way for the return of a sizable section of the Brahmins to the valley. But the succeeding Sultans and Kings of the Chak dynasty who ruled Kashmir till 1586, again actively engaged in annihilating the Hindus of the valley, and thus, reducing them to a negligible minority.

Then came Mughuls

Jahangir described the place as a "heaven on earth" and promptly did his bit to destroy Hindu temples and impose Jeziya. Shah Jahan was a worthy successor. Bernier, the historian describes that "the doors and pillars were found in some of the idol temples demolished by Shah Jehan and it is impossible to estimate their value." He also lauded Kwaja Mam, an underling who looted Pandit Mahadeo's house and set it afire. Aurangzeb usurped the throne after getting his three brothers killed and father placed in prison where he died. Aurangzeb turned to killing of Hindus and liberal Muslims, sufis, again, the Hindus were subjected to mass killings and conversions as before.

The fall of the Mughals lead to Parhan rule with the conquest of Kashmir by Ahmad-Shah Abdali of Afghanistan in 1752. The Afghan rule was brutal and the cruelest. The tyranny which lasted till 1819 proved disastrous for the Brahmins. The Sunni Kashmiri Muslims were spared physically but devastated economically. But the Shias of the valley were victimized. Hence the popular saying in Kashmir: "Kafirun patte gaye Raifzan lar" - after the 'Kafirs' ( Hindus), the Shias are next (in line for torture). The excessive oppression, torture and killings of Kashmiri Hindus, and their forcible conversion to Islam through the centuries finally reduced them to a microscopic minority, hardly five to seven percent of the population in the Valley where they were the only religion at one time.

The 'Killing Fields of Kashmir'- Batta Mazar-- where hundreds of murdered Hindus were buried en mass, is still in existence in Srinagar, a reminder to the Kashmiri Hindus of today of the atrocities they have survived. A town enroute to the plains in the south came to be known as "Batawath" which now is spelled as Batote, meaning Batta's Path!

 

[Yatoo]

ISIS flags shown in Kashmir again. Just read it in a news website..

Nothing to worry about. People just do it as it gets more publicity and makes some people across the tunnel pee in their pants.

 

[Slog]

[MENTION=136852]kashmiri@die hard pak fan[/MENTION]


would love to hear your opinion

 

[Kashmiri_Pak_fan]

Particularly what about?

 

[hussain123]

This is a load of BS being propounded these days to young Kashmiri Muslim men..

Please read this before you form opinions on Kashmiri Hindus

Zul Qadir Khan (Dulchu)

He was an early Turkish Tatar (or Tartar) who raided Kashmir with a savage horde of about 70,000 barbarians. His plunder lasted eight months and when he was done, it left behind rivers of blood of thousands of massacred Hindus, expansive swathes of burnt crops, razed towns, and death and destruction. That one plunder turned the Paradise into a wasteland. Dulchu would've stayed on if not for the severe winter that foiled his plans. He took with him about 50,000 kaffir men, women, and children to sell them in the lucrative slave markets in Turkistan. However, a terrible blizzard ensued when he was crossing Devsar Pass and he perished with his entire army and captives. The place was subsequently known as Bata Sagan meaning "the death oven of Brahmins."

Sikander (1389- 1413).

He perpetrated untold oppression on the Hindus of the valley; tortured them, killed them and destroyed without any mercy the idols of their worship. He earned the notoriety of having razed to the ground the famous temples, 'Vijeshwar' and 'Martand'. The fanatic despot and brutish iconoclast earned the sobriquet of 'But-Shikan'. ('Batta' is another word for Kashmiri Hindu or Pandit). He was the first fanatic to offer the infamous three choices, repeated later by others, to Kashmiri Hindus, conversion to Islam, exile, or death. As a result, mass exodus of hindu’s from the valley took place then. The savage Sultan destroyed Hindu scriptures, and, it is said that one time, he murdered so many Hindus at a stretch that the sacred thread of the murdered, weighed about 400 KG’s which he set on fire in a huge pile! The historian Jonaraja laments thus - "Struck by the fear, the Brahmins killed themselves by poison, some by ropes and others by drowning themselves in the Dal Lake, others by jumping from a precipice and others burnt themselves to death."
According to traditional sources, only eleven Brahmin families were left behind in the valley.

Sultan Zain-ul-Abedin (1420-1470),

He was popularly known as BUDSHAH was no better than his predecessor in the initial period of his rule, but when successful treatment at the hands of a famous physician, Shri Bhatt (a Kashmiri Hindu) saved him from some nearly fatal disease, a conversion of a sort took place in him and he became tolerant towards the Hindus. This paved the way for the return of a sizable section of the Brahmins to the valley. But the succeeding Sultans and Kings of the Chak dynasty who ruled Kashmir till 1586, again actively engaged in annihilating the Hindus of the valley, and thus, reducing them to a negligible minority.

Then came Mughuls

Jahangir described the place as a "heaven on earth" and promptly did his bit to destroy Hindu temples and impose Jeziya. Shah Jahan was a worthy successor. Bernier, the historian describes that "the doors and pillars were found in some of the idol temples demolished by Shah Jehan and it is impossible to estimate their value." He also lauded Kwaja Mam, an underling who looted Pandit Mahadeo's house and set it afire. Aurangzeb usurped the throne after getting his three brothers killed and father placed in prison where he died. Aurangzeb turned to killing of Hindus and liberal Muslims, sufis, again, the Hindus were subjected to mass killings and conversions as before.

The fall of the Mughals lead to Parhan rule with the conquest of Kashmir by Ahmad-Shah Abdali of Afghanistan in 1752. The Afghan rule was brutal and the cruelest. The tyranny which lasted till 1819 proved disastrous for the Brahmins. The Sunni Kashmiri Muslims were spared physically but devastated economically. But the Shias of the valley were victimized. Hence the popular saying in Kashmir: "Kafirun patte gaye Raifzan lar" - after the 'Kafirs' ( Hindus), the Shias are next (in line for torture). The excessive oppression, torture and killings of Kashmiri Hindus, and their forcible conversion to Islam through the centuries finally reduced them to a microscopic minority, hardly five to seven percent of the population in the Valley where they were the only religion at one time.

The 'Killing Fields of Kashmir'- Batta Mazar-- where hundreds of murdered Hindus were buried en mass, is still in existence in Srinagar, a reminder to the Kashmiri Hindus of today of the atrocities they have survived. A town enroute to the plains in the south came to be known as "Batawath" which now is spelled as Batote, meaning Batta's Path!

Pandit ji,zulchu khan was a mongol invader and they invaded, plundered and looted every territory which they lay their eyes on.they decimated persian kingdom to rubble, which was predominantly muslim and has given islamic world its greatest scholars.wven khilafah of ottoman was plundered, ghe kings slaughtered, or even afghanistan. From these butchers religion and ethics amounted to nothing.and they repeated all this stuff in kashmir for 8 months and Kashmiris across all shades had to bear the brunt.it is the most naive and laughable to even think ttis mongol scum would filter muslims from what you say "kaffirs"lol.as far as sikander, he was a descedant of shah miri dynasty who were shias and his reign with his subordinate musa khan was terror towards pandits and I am not sure if his attutude towards kashmiri sunnis would have been much different. I have very little knowledge about him.but whatever I could gather from some hindu sources is that significant proportion of kashmiri hindus were forced or moved out of valley towards south to save their religion.in mughal rule, many kashmiri pandits were serving in the darbar of akbar and the subsequent rulers and they were held in esteem in mughal court's.even jl nehru grand father has served in the power echleons of mughal empire.their are many isolated stories put forward by you which I would check on later for their veracity.generally, Kashmiri muslims had it a lot better than kashmiri muslims under mughal rule. Kashmiri muslims were very static in their rule in terms of economy, power, authority etc.they literally were relegated to mere push overs and it hasnt end till now.afghan rule like that mongol invasion was hell for anyone as some writer has said"kashmiris moved from a firing pan to fite itself".it is amyth that they spared anyone. pandits were kardars or tax collectors and I read in somwhere that abdali had a soft corner for pandits.their reign was so bad that kashmiri muslims were wishing it to replaced by sikh rule who proved to be even more worse for kashmiri muslims.
Anyways sir my post wasn't directed you.i am born in early 90s and I have no first hand experience of living aside pandits.and my perception or opinion of pandit community doesnt come from history or happenings 100 0r 500 years ago.i only know of them through social media or friends who have studied outside or indian media.i have yet to find some one with a genuine sympathy or milchaar for kashmiri muslims.and only thing I could deduce from all these second hand interactions is hate from other side is unprecedented. I am sorry sir, if my post hurt you in any way

 

[hussain123]

Nothing to worry about. People just do it as it gets more publicity and makes some people across the tunnel pee in their pants.

Those on the other side would love to see us brandishing isis flags.it makes their job easier to project our genuine aspiratiins as a terrorist movement.

 

[Kashmiri_Pak_fan]

Ok.... i read op and thanks for seeking my opinion [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] and op as well...First of all i don't think you should ask much about my self as my username says it all....
Veiws of kash are totally different from indians (especially of non muslims in india and more especially of hindus)....we love pakistanis from the core of our hearts more coz of our beloved religion(muslman ko muslman ki dard hamesha hoti hai chahe woh jaha b ho especially pak coz we feel we should have been with pak instead if india) and especially due to indian oppression in kashmir because we don't want to be indians anymore as we feel ashamed....we want independence and 2nd preference is PAKISTAN ...All people here support pak in all sports except some folks unfortunately who are puppets of national conference becoz of their leader farooq abdullah who is pakka indian himself.
As for as language is concerned urdu is our 2nd mother tongue learned it from schools and we have also learnt hindi to speak not to read and write except some...and almost 80-85% civilians never visited pak or pak occupied kashmir as indian govt has made tough process for us to get visa of pak....
we are really pak cricket crazy people here and follows pak cricket keenly as our elders who don't have interest in cricket always says us what these cricketers are giving us of watching their matches and we says love.
Believe me we truly love this nation and follows it in all spheres especially cricket... hockey ....politics
And special thanks to pak passion to provide us opportunity to talk to pakistanis
thanks

 

[Slog]

^ thanks for sharing bro

 

[Monday Morning]

we love pakistanis from the core of our hearts more coz of our beloved religion(muslman ko muslman ki dard hamesha hoti hai chahe woh jaha b ho especially pak coz we feel we should have been with pak instead if india) and especially due to indian oppression in kashmir because we don't want to be indians anymore as we feel ashamed....

I can understand your frustration with India and I might feel the same way if I were you. But Kashmiris "loving" Pakistan makes no sense to me. The country has sponsored terrorism on your soil, yet you continue to be enamored by it. And you say it's primarily because of a shared religion. That makes me believe that no matter how hard Indians or our Government try to reconcile with Kashmir, some of you are just too brainwashed to accept the olive branch.

 

[Strike Rate]

Ok.... i read op and thanks for seeking my opinion [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] and op as well...First of all i don't think you should ask much about my self as my username says it all....
Veiws of kash are totally different from indians (especially of non muslims in india and more especially of hindus)....we love pakistanis from the core of our hearts more coz of our beloved religion(muslman ko muslman ki dard hamesha hoti hai chahe woh jaha b ho especially pak coz we feel we should have been with pak instead if india) and especially due to indian oppression in kashmir because we don't want to be indians anymore as we feel ashamed....we want independence and 2nd preference is PAKISTAN ...All people here support pak in all sports except some folks unfortunately who are puppets of national conference becoz of their leader farooq abdullah who is pakka indian himself.
As for as language is concerned urdu is our 2nd mother tongue learned it from schools and we have also learnt hindi to speak not to read and write except some...and almost 80-85% civilians never visited pak or pak occupied kashmir as indian govt has made tough process for us to get visa of pak....
we are really pak cricket crazy people here and follows pak cricket keenly as our elders who don't have interest in cricket always says us what these cricketers are giving us of watching their matches and we says love.
Believe me we truly love this nation and follows it in all spheres especially cricket... hockey ....politics
And special thanks to pak passion to provide us opportunity to talk to pakistanis
thanks

thanks for sharing your views with us bro and i noticed so far almost all kashmiri ppers share same view as you mentioned even the local majority thinks same way so this thread is a big example of that view!

 

[leg-side-flick]

Anyways sir my post wasn't directed you.i am born in early 90s and I have no first hand experience of living aside pandits.and my perception or opinion of pandit community doesnt come from history or happenings 100 0r 500 years ago.i only know of them through social media or friends who have studied outside or indian media.i have yet to find some one with a genuine sympathy or milchaar for kashmiri muslims.and only thing I could deduce from all these second hand interactions is hate from other side is unprecedented. I am sorry sir, if my post hurt you in any way

This is precisely what I was referring to. The new generation of Kp's and Km's have had no interaction and only breed hatred for each other.. People have developed this mindset from both sides... The earlier generation lived, played and did all these things together so even when there was India / Pak tension but a general bonhomie and mutual regard helped people live amicably, i think that's lost for good..

I will give you an example, we moved out of Kashmir in 90 and my granny got a strange request in 91 from her old Muslim neighbour, he wanted his daughter to live with her as she was seeing a HM militant ( again a regular guy who dropped out and crossed border, after he came back, he again was in touch with this woman.... Our neighbour wanted a better future for his daughter and hence the request)...even though we had hardly any money but my nanny willingly agreed as they had been neighbour's for ages. She lived with her for 2 years, finished studies and is now in Dubai living happily... The family is still friends with us, but these kind of things can't happen now as the two communities are polar opposites now...

P.s.....Sorry for the earlier outburst by the way...

 

[leg-side-flick]

thanks for sharing your views with us bro and i noticed so far almost all kashmiri ppers share same view as you mentioned even the local majority thinks same way so this thread is a big example of that view!

Kashmiri Muslims prefer Pakistan

Kashmiri Hindus prefer India..

You don't need a poll for this

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

I can understand your frustration with India and I might feel the same way if I were you. But Kashmiris "loving" Pakistan makes no sense to me. The country has sponsored terrorism on your soil, yet you continue to be enamored by it. And you say it's primarily because of a shared religion. That makes me believe that no matter how hard Indians or our Government try to reconcile with Kashmir, some of you are just too brainwashed to accept the olive branch.

I've been keeping away from posting to stop myself from getting angry.

There's only one olive branch the India government can give us. Hold the UN referendum.

Lord Mountbatten might've messed the map up giving India access to Kashmir under his wife's influence given her affair with Nehru, but Kashmir, especially the valley, wants away from Indian occupation.

Nobody in the valley bar a negligible few rich puppets paid by the Indian govt want anything to do with India.

India has done with Kashmir exactly what Israel has done with Palestinians; and your govt actually has a nexus with Israel on learning how to control Kashmiris and also military co-operation there?

These are the reasons Kashmir valley especially will never be a part of India

 

[Ali1984]

I know this might be irrelevant but I am from azad Kashmir, it saddens me at times that I cannot see the beauty and visit my own country which is stolen from us Kashmiris without doubt jammu Kashmir has a lot more to see then azad Kashmir and is much bigger. hopefully we can unite one day as Kashmiris and freely go to jammu/vice versa. But sadly Jammu Kashmir will never be azad and that we have to accept!!


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[Raw deal]

I know this might be irrelevant but I am from azad Kashmir, it saddens me at times that I cannot see the beauty and visit my own country which is stolen from us Kashmiris without doubt jammu Kashmir has a lot more to see then azad Kashmir and is much bigger. hopefully we can unite one day as Kashmiris and freely go to jammu/vice versa. But sadly Jammu Kashmir will never be azad and that we have to accept!!


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I have heard that Jammu is a Hindu majority. Will they accept to join Pakistan or freedom from India? Also LEH has Buddhist majority I believe. What's the solution?

 

[Thomaskutty]

I've been keeping away from posting to stop myself from getting angry.

There's only one olive branch the India government can give us. Hold the UN referendum.

Lord Mountbatten might've messed the map up giving India access to Kashmir under his wife's influence given her affair with Nehru, but Kashmir, especially the valley, wants away from Indian occupation.

Nobody in the valley bar a negligible few rich puppets paid by the Indian govt want anything to do with India.

India has done with Kashmir exactly what Israel has done with Palestinians; and your govt actually has a nexus with Israel on learning how to control Kashmiris and also military co-operation there?

These are the reasons Kashmir valley especially will never be a part of India

It is not going to happen bro.Kashmir is ours ! Kashmiris have come out and voted in huge numbers in the last election I think 66 % turnout , they know their future will never be delinked from India.The few troublemakers that exist we will just tolerate , what else to do.

Tamil Nadu was quite a separatist state as well in the 60s but now they have integrated well .. same will happen to Kashmir I suspect.

 

[Raw deal]

It is not gonna happen bro.Kashmir is ours ! Kashmiris have come out and voted in huge numbers in the last election I think 66 % turnout , they know their future will never be delinked from India.The few troublemakers that exist we will just tolerate , what else to do.

Tamil Nadu was quite a separatist state as well in the 60s but now they have integrated well .. same will happen to Kashmir I suspect.

isn't tamil Nadu a Hindu majority state?

 

[Ali1984]

I have heard that Jammu is a Hindu majority. Will they accept to join Pakistan or freedom from India? Also LEH has Buddhist majority I believe. What's the solution?

I really didn't know that, as far as I was aware it was majority Muslim? But then again we are kept so alienated from each other that we don't know much bout one another, maybe one of our brothers from Jammu Kashmir can enlighten us on this please? May we All unite one day in sha Allah. Kasmir/Pakistan Zindabad.


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[Thomaskutty]

isn't tamil Nadu a Hindu majority state?

So what ?

 

[Raw deal]

So what ?

If Tamil Nadu was a muslim majority state, it wouldn't have been a part of India like Bangladesh.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

It is not going to happen bro.Kashmir is ours ! Kashmiris have come out and voted in huge numbers in the last election I think 66 % turnout , they know their future will never be delinked from India.The few troublemakers that exist we will just tolerate , what else to do.

Tamil Nadu was quite a separatist state as well in the 60s but now they have integrated well .. same will happen to Kashmir I suspect.

Absolute rubbish. Try speaking to Kashmiris rather than the rubbish Indian media feeds you.

People vote on daily issues like farming and education. Kashmiris have suggested that it's NOT a substitute for a UN referendum.

One day Kashmir will be free from Indian occupation

 

[JaDed]

So what ?

Don't act naive it's about religion.Newer generations of KP(from across India) and KM don't speak to each other plus Tamil Nadu always respected Gandhi,Nehru whereas KM don't really care.The issue of TM was with the language and India didn't make Hindi a national language and that's why they have been integrated.FYI Tamil Muslims(most i know) still support Pak during sporting events.

 

[JaDed]

Absolute rubbish. Try speaking to Kashmiris rather than the rubbish Indian media feeds you.

People vote on daily issues like farming and education. Kashmiri Muslims have suggested that it's NOT a substitute for a UN referendum.

One day Kashmir will be free from Indian occupation

Fixed

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Absolute rubbish. Try speaking to Kashmiris rather than the rubbish Indian media feeds you.

People vote on daily issues like farming and education. Kashmiris have suggested that it's NOT a substitute for a UN referendum.

One day Kashmir will be free from Indian occupation

Are you the same guy who was dressing up like a hulk holding both indian and paksitani flags during a match. Taking pictures with both indians and pakistanis trying to unite both of them. What happened now? Why this hate now? Or was that a drama? Sorry if you are not that guy though.