How many PPers here are from the Indian side of Kashmir?

[kaayal]

Thanks for asking reason....I said we want independence and it was never bandwagon for kashmiris but definitely for you non muslims ( i only presume you are but pls fogive if you are muslim)who never bothered to know excat reason of our struggle for freedom for which we have cost thousands of lives.....first fact is India has occupied kashmir against its promise and our wish ...for that pls bother to know history of kashmir(perheps any kashmiri pper can provide you)or from any other reliable source....and it is the reason we prefer pak over india if god forbid we somehow can't get independence as we strongly consider india as cheaters and pak has supported us a lot in this regard....and you will call it terrorism but actually it is not it is called JIHAD in ISLAM which our MUJAHIDINS are doing whom you are calling terrorrists but yes there are some groups or individuals everywhere in world including india and pak whom you can called terrorrists and if you want to know excatly what jihad is then pls try to know about it.....and you can't believe how tyrant indian govt and forces used to be here...now you will ask why don't we want to be with india? why we want indepence? its answer is we want ISLAMIC governance in kashmir as it is most important aspect of our religion....now as for as indian muslims are concerned they are our brothers and we love them too..but the reason is their independece is too tough to get because there are several reasons which you should better know otherwise they definitely want to get it and live in ISLAMIC governance but they can't shout loud coz non muslims or iindian govt will suppress them because they will feel it will lead to mass disturbance ....now i'm sure you must have got your all the answers...and i'm really sorry to say that perhaps i can't discuss on this topic again because unfortunately i have tough schedule ahead.
thanking you

Bhai if you think what Pakistan or any other muslim countries are following the true "Islamic governance", go for it. We Indian muslims love our country and people a lot. So don't worry about us.

 

[Deosai]

Bhai if you think what Pakistan or any other muslim countries are following the true "Islamic governance", go for it. We Indian muslims love our country and people a lot. So don't worry about us.

I think you Malyalees should be free from India

 

[Firebreaker]

In the first map, only AJK is shown.
In second one, most of JK is shown except the area under China.

Why do you have Pakistani flag on your display? You have nothing to do with that country

 

[Deosai]

Why do you have Pakistani flag on your display? You have nothing to do with that country

Why do have the Emirati flag on your display?You have nothing to with that country

 

[Firebreaker]

Why do have the Emirati flag on your display?You have nothing to with that country

I am a citizen of that country.

 

[Rishikesh]

Their are no quotas for muslims let alone kashmiri muslims.i dont know which set of kashmiris you have met.

thats what my indians friends told me

Some states of india are giving quotas for Muslims and I think each year 5000 Kashmiri students get scholarship under prime minister's scheme for higher studies.

 

[MSaad1237]

I won't mind Pakistan going for another war with India for Kashmir ..

 

[MSaad1237]

and If Pakistan gets attacked in return, I'm ready to take the arms, join the military and fight for my country on the borders .

 

[Monday Morning]

Thanks for asking reason....I said we want independence and it was never bandwagon for kashmiris but definitely for you non muslims ( i only presume you are but pls fogive if you are muslim)who never bothered to know excat reason of our struggle for freedom for which we have cost thousands of lives.....first fact is India has occupied kashmir against its promise and our wish ...for that pls bother to know history of kashmir(perheps any kashmiri pper can provide you)or from any other reliable source....and it is the reason we prefer pak over india if god forbid we somehow can't get independence as we strongly consider india as cheaters and pak has supported us a lot in this regard....and you will call it terrorism but actually it is not it is called JIHAD in ISLAM which our MUJAHIDINS are doing whom you are calling terrorrists but yes there are some groups or individuals everywhere in world including india and pak whom you can called terrorrists and if you want to know excatly what jihad is then pls try to know about it.....and you can't believe how tyrant indian govt and forces used to be here...now you will ask why don't we want to be with india? why we want indepence? its answer is we want ISLAMIC governance in kashmir as it is most important aspect of our religion....now as for as indian muslims are concerned they are our brothers and we love them too..but the reason is their independece is too tough to get because there are several reasons which you should better know otherwise they definitely want to get it and live in ISLAMIC governance but they can't shout loud coz non muslims or iindian govt will suppress them because they will feel it will lead to mass disturbance ....now i'm sure you must have got your all the answers...and i'm really sorry to say that perhaps i can't discuss on this topic again because unfortunately i have tough schedule ahead.
thanking you

Pathetic post. Have you ever tried venturing out of your bubble and talking to the rest of your countrymen? You'll find the majority would not treat you differently because you're from Kashmir. From your post it feels like Kashmiris have alienated themselves with help from the Indian army of course. But armies are brutal anywhere, heck that's why they're armies! And Indian Muslims are far more patriotic than you give them credit for. With neighbours like Pakistan and China, there's no way India can give up control over Kashmir. So I think you had better start living with the fact that you're Indian and act accordingly. Would be best for everyone involved.

 

[Ali1984]

Pathetic post. Have you ever tried venturing out of your bubble and talking to the rest of your countrymen? You'll find the majority would not treat you differently because you're from Kashmir. From your post it feels like Kashmiris have alienated themselves with help from the Indian army of course. But armies are brutal anywhere, heck that's why they're armies! And Indian Muslims are far more patriotic than you give them credit for. With neighbours like Pakistan and China, there's no way India can give up control over Kashmir. So I think you had better start living with the fact that you're Indian and act accordingly. Would be best for everyone involved.

Pathetic how? Do you know what Muslims have suffered in Kashmir? Do you know what your so called patriotic army has put them through??


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[90MPH]

Pathetic how? Do you know what Muslims have suffered in Kashmir? Do you know what your so called patriotic army has put them through??


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I think the vast majority do know but turn a blind eye and really don't give a toss as long as the population is disobeying Indian rule.

That's the sense I get, weather the Indians admit it or not is another case.

 

[Thomaskutty]

Pathetic post. Have you ever tried venturing out of your bubble and talking to the rest of your countrymen? You'll find the majority would not treat you differently because you're from Kashmir. From your post it feels like Kashmiris have alienated themselves with help from the Indian army of course. But armies are brutal anywhere, heck that's why they're armies! And Indian Muslims are far more patriotic than you give them credit for. With neighbours like Pakistan and China, there's no way India can give up control over Kashmir. So I think you had better start living with the fact that you're Indian and act accordingly. Would be best for everyone involved.

Good post bro.
I don't understand why any Kashmiri would complain about superficial labels like autonomy,independence bla bla instead of focusing on development of their state.They are really brainwashed and cant think for themselves.
Maybe we have to wait for the older generations to die out , those who came from the partition era.The younger ones arent that bothered.They will get on with their careers instead of this stupid show of pride.
Ultimately , from Kashmir to Kanyakumari we are all Indians.

 

[Ali1984]

Good post bro.
I don't understand why any Kashmiri would complain about superficial labels like autonomy,independence bla bla instead of focusing on development of their state.They are really brainwashed and cant think for themselves.
Maybe we have to wait for the older generations to die out , those who came from the partition era.The younger ones arent that bothered.They will get on with their careers instead of this stupid show of pride.
Ultimately , from Kashmir to Kanyakumari we are all Indians.

Waiting for older generation to die? Pathetic post!


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[MSaad1237]

I've noticed in general that Indians don't give 2 hoots about Kashmiris, and many of them assume them to be terrorists/trouble causers etc. and justify their army boots in the valley.. when kashmiris die there is hardly outrage in the media and public..


Pakistanis on the other hand, have extra special feelings and concern about Kashmiris, thats why most of us feel their pain and would celebrate if they achieve independence in the future .

 

[Raw deal]

I've noticed in general that Indians don't give 2 hoots about Kashmiris, and many of them assume them to be terrorists/trouble causers etc. and justify their army boots in the valley.. when kashmiris die there is hardly outrage in the media and public..


Pakistanis on the other hand, have extra special feelings and concern about Kashmiris, thats why most of us feel their pain and would celebrate if they achieve independence in the future .

Why do you expect them to give a damn about Kashmiris when they are not even 0.5% of their population and another thing I noted from Indians is that they justify army's action in Kashmir because their Hindu people were killed in Kashmir and lakhs of them have been thrown out from their home land.

Even in this thread you can see that Kashmiri dude Hussein is justifying it by saying pundits have always gone against Islamic rule.

 

[Yatoo]

Some states of india are giving quotas for Muslims and I think each year 5000 Kashmiri students get scholarship under prime minister's scheme for higher studies.

Some states have quoto for obc Muslims. It's about 4%. It's called horizontal reservation. Total reservation of obc is 27%. Out of those 27%, 4% is for Muslims. West Bengal has it. And maybe erstwhile Andhra Pradesh had it. It's not for all Muslims. But only obc. Maharashtra govt scrapped it recently after BJP came to power.

Regarding PM scholarship, it's for all minority. And the colleges that are notified in this scheme are ****.

 

[Yatoo]

Why do you have Pakistani flag on your display? You have nothing to do with that country

I can have an Israeli flag if I wanted to. How does this effect you?

 

[kaayal]

Some states have quoto for obc Muslims. It's about 4%. It's called horizontal reservation. Total reservation of obc is 27%. Out of those 27%, 4% is for Muslims. West Bengal has it. And maybe erstwhile Andhra Pradesh had it. It's not for all Muslims. But only obc. Maharashtra govt scrapped it recently after BJP came to power.

Regarding PM scholarship, it's for all minority. And the colleges that are notified in this scheme are ****.

Do you guys have any quota in Govt Medical Colleges?? One of my batchmate here in Kerala is from Pattan, Kashmir.

 

[Yatoo]

Do you guys have any quota in Govt Medical Colleges?? One of my batchmate here in Kerala is from Pattan, Kashmir.

Pandit or Muslim?

 

[kaayal]

Pandit or Muslim?

Muslim.

 

[Yatoo]

Muslim.

He must have qualified then Kerala CET. Maybe your college have reservation for students outside Kerala.
I just remembered that my sister has a batch mate here at Govt Agriculture College from Kerala.

 

[kaayal]

He must have qualified then Kerala CET. Maybe your college have reservation for students outside Kerala.
I just remembered that my sister has a batch mate here at Govt Agriculture College from Kerala.

Ok thanks.

 

[Yatoo]

Ok thanks.

Nominee from Jammu & Kashmir : One seat for MBBS will be
reserved in a Government Medical College ( by rotation every
year ) for a nominee from Jammu & Kashmir. Candidate to this
seat should be sponsored by the Government of Jammu and
Kashmir through the Higher Education Secretary of the State. This
year, the seat will be reserved in Government Medical College,
Kottayam.

 

[Slog]

Good post bro.
I don't understand why any Kashmiri would complain about superficial labels like autonomy,independence bla bla instead of focusing on development of their state.They are really brainwashed and cant think for themselves.
Maybe we have to wait for the older generations to die out , those who came from the partition era.The younger ones arent that bothered.They will get on with their careers instead of this stupid show of pride.
Ultimately , from Kashmir to Kanyakumari we are all Indians.

lol thats the whole point. They dont believe they are and there is not much there can be done to change that mindset. If they think that they are being mistreated and that is why they want to leave India then it is fixable. But if they dont even consider themselves Indians then thats hard to change,

 

[kaayal]

Nominee from Jammu & Kashmir : One seat for MBBS will be
reserved in a Government Medical College ( by rotation every
year ) for a nominee from Jammu & Kashmir. Candidate to this
seat should be sponsored by the Government of Jammu and
Kashmir through the Higher Education Secretary of the State. This
year, the seat will be reserved in Government Medical College,
Kottayam.

Yepp...I got it now.

 

[MSaad1237]

Why do you expect them to give a damn about Kashmiris when they are not even 0.5% of their population and another thing I noted from Indians is that they justify army's action in Kashmir because their Hindu people were killed in Kashmir and lakhs of them have been thrown out from their home land.

Even in this thread you can see that Kashmiri dude Hussein is justifying it by saying pundits have always gone against Islamic rule.

They are special Boss, period..

and deserve to be treated specially .

 

[shaaik]

Pardon my ignorance but I never really got an actual answer from an actual Kashmiri about the whole situation. Do they prefer Pakistan, India or an independent state.

I am a kashmiri and my herat beats with Pakistan...

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[Strike Rate]

I am a kashmiri and my herat beats with Pakistan...

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Indian side of Kashmir bro or AJK?

 

[shaaik]

They are special Boss, period..

and deserve to be treated specially .

A quick reality check for you, it wasn't the kashmiris who ousted the kashmiri Hinduse from kashmir but it was the governor of the state who asked kashmiri Hinduse to leave kashmir so that the Indian Army cd run havoc on kashmiri Muslims and they did it so cunningly that it looked to the outer world that kashmiri Muslims were responsible for the Hinduse expiditation. Needless to mention that this governor was a Hindu

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[shaaik]

Indian side of Kashmir bro or AJK?

It's not Indian side buddy ... It's Indian occupied kashmir.. and I m from that kashmir

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[KingKhanWC]

Very interesting thread. Many Thanks to all the brothers or sisters from Kashmir who have contributed, your voices are very valuable not only to this forum but to the world.

The suffering you guys have endured and your resliance has shown how brave and spirited you are. You have many supporters around the world. One day you will be free Godwilling.

 

[Strike Rate]

It's not Indian side buddy ... It's Indian occupied kashmir.. and I m from that kashmir

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Sorry bro didn't mean to be offensive. Good to see so many Kashmiri posters and their views here that we found through this thread.

 

[shaaik]

Sorry bro didn't mean to be offensive. Good to see so many Kashmiri posters and their views here that we found through this thread.

I beg your pardon if I sounded pushy.. its just that it irks me to see lot of Pakistanis mostly youth resigning to the fact that the Indian Occupied kashmir is an Indian part.

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[shaaik]

Very interesting thread. Many Thanks to all the brothers or sisters from Kashmir who have contributed, your voices are very valuable not only to this forum but to the world.

The suffering you guys have endured and your resliance has shown how brave and spirited you are. You have many supporters around the world. One day you will be free Godwilling.

In sha Allah.... that wd make a naya pakstan ...

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[Strike Rate]

I beg your pardon if I sounded pushy.. its just that it irks me to see lot of Pakistanis mostly youth resigning to the fact that the Indian Occupied kashmir is an Indian part.

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I can understand your situation as a Kashmiri bro i was just trying to be a bit careful because i don't wanted this thread to derail into another Indo-Pak war thread instead of a thread for healthy and open debate if i as a Pakistani use the word Indian Occupied then that usual joshila birgade will be here soon to target me and the thread and thread will become another indo-pak battlefield. Otherwise Kashmiri to humaari shah rag he

 

[shaaik]

I can understand your situation as a Kashmiri bro i was just trying to be a bit careful because i don't wanted this thread to derail into another Indo-Pak war thread instead of a thread for healthy and open debate if i as a Pakistani use the word Indian Occupied then that usual joshila birgade will be here soon to target me and the thread [emoji14] and thread will become another indo-pak battlefield. Otherwise Kashmiri to humaari shah rag he

The name Pakistan literally means "Land of the Pure" in Urdu and Persian. It comes from the word pk meaning pure in Persian and Pashto[23] while the word istn is a Persian word meaning place of; it is a cognate of the Sanskrit word sthn (Devanagari: [stan]).[24]

It was coined in 1933 as Pakstan by Choudhry Rahmat Ali, a Pakistan Movement activist, who published it in his pamphlet Now or Never,[25] using it as an acronym ("thirty million Muslim brethren who live in PAKSTAN") referring to the names of the five northern regions of the British Raj: Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, Sindh, and Baluchistan".[26][27][28] The letter i was incorporated to ease pronunciation and form the linguistically correct and meaningful name.[29]....

Now how many of us PPers know this ??

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[Thomaskutty]

Waiting for older generation to die? Pathetic post!


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It sounds very practical to me brld habits die hard.Just wait it out till they expire .. the kashmir problem is nothing a generational shift can't change.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

It sounds very practical to me brld habits die hard.Just wait it out till they expire .. the kashmir problem is nothing a generational shift can't change.

It might take another 2 generations. Kids who are born in the last 30 years have also been brought up in the separatist mentality.

Another 50 years of education and opportunity can change their views of the situation. India is playing a waiting game.

 

[Strike Rate]

The name Pakistan literally means "Land of the Pure" in Urdu and Persian. It comes from the word pk meaning pure in Persian and Pashto[23] while the word istn is a Persian word meaning place of; it is a cognate of the Sanskrit word sthn (Devanagari: [stan]).[24]

It was coined in 1933 as Pakstan by Choudhry Rahmat Ali, a Pakistan Movement activist, who published it in his pamphlet Now or Never,[25] using it as an acronym ("thirty million Muslim brethren who live in PAKSTAN") referring to the names of the five northern regions of the British Raj: Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, Sindh, and Baluchistan".[26][27][28] The letter i was incorporated to ease pronunciation and form the linguistically correct and meaningful name.[29]....

Now how many of us PPers know this ??

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I knew it bro and do you know Jinnah visited Srinagar multiple times in his life and when he went there again in 1944/45 and Tehreek-e-Azadi was a peak he was given a royal welcome by Kashmiris and everyone was trying to see him or touch his car that's how much they loved him as a leader.

 

[shaaik]

I knew it bro and do you know Jinnah visited Srinagar multiple times in his life and when he went there again in 1944/45 and Tehreek-e-Azadi was a peak he was given a royal welcome by Kashmiris and everyone was trying to see him or touch his car that's how much they loved him as a leader.

Yeah what a spectacle it must had been... but we had this sheikh Mohammad Abdullah guy at the helm of affairs who betrayed his people .. He is the reason why we are still suffering..

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[Thomaskutty]

It might take another 2 generations. Kids who are born in the last 30 years have also been brought up in the separatist mentality.

Another 50 years of education and opportunity can change their views of the situation. India is playing a waiting game.

Well the kashmiris I know just shrug their shoulders when I ask them about independence.They don't care - they know India is easily the best option for them.They get to elect their own leaders to run their state while a part of the union - what more could anyone want ?

 

[Strike Rate]

So far found these Posters are from J&K at PakPassion:
[MENTION=136874]Saqib Yousuf Yatoo[/MENTION]
[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION]
[MENTION=29232]adwords[/MENTION]
[MENTION=109520]veeray[/MENTION]
[MENTION=137989]hussain123[/MENTION]
[MENTION=137118]Mir jibran[/MENTION]
[MENTION=137191]Mrhandsome[/MENTION]
[MENTION=136852]kashmiri@die hard pak fan[/MENTION]
[MENTION=59262]shaaik[/MENTION]

Amazing to see so many poster from there here at PP!

Let see if there are more?

 

[Strike Rate]

Well the kashmiris I know just shrug their shoulders when I ask them about independence.They don't care - they know India is easily the best option for them.They get to elect their own leaders to run their state while a part of the union - what more could anyone want ?

In AJK they can select their own Prime Minister and President have their own Flag and Assembly.

 

[shaaik]

Well the kashmiris I know just shrug their shoulders when I ask them about independence.They don't care - they know India is easily the best option for them.They get to elect their own leaders to run their state while a part of the union - what more could anyone want ?

Really ... who told u that they get to choose their own???

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[Raw deal]

A quick reality check for you, it wasn't the kashmiris who ousted the kashmiri Hinduse from kashmir but it was the governor of the state who asked kashmiri Hinduse to leave kashmir so that the Indian Army cd run havoc on kashmiri Muslims and they did it so cunningly that it looked to the outer world that kashmiri Muslims were responsible for the Hinduse expiditation. Needless to mention that this governor was a Hindu

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232 pundits were killed.. So, isn't that the reason why they left Kashmir? How many of them are raped? You people talk about atrocities of Indian army in Kashmir, but how many of them convicted for killing 232 so far? None. Not even one.

I for all the support for Kashmiris freedom movement. But , where is the justice for killing and raping pundits ?



I think this is why Indian public don't give a damn about their army's iron hand in the valley.

 

[Raw deal]

The name Pakistan literally means "Land of the Pure" in Urdu and Persian. It comes from the word pk meaning pure in Persian and Pashto[23] while the word istn is a Persian word meaning place of; it is a cognate of the Sanskrit word sthn (Devanagari: [stan]).[24]

It was coined in 1933 as Pakstan by Choudhry Rahmat Ali, a Pakistan Movement activist, who published it in his pamphlet Now or Never,[25] using it as an acronym ("thirty million Muslim brethren who live in PAKSTAN") referring to the names of the five northern regions of the British Raj: Punjab, Afghania, Kashmir, Sindh, and Baluchistan".[26][27][28] The letter i was incorporated to ease pronunciation and form the linguistically correct and meaningful name.[29]....

Now how many of us PPers know this ??

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Everyone knows it. Lol.

 

[shaaik]

Everyone knows it. Lol.

In Pakistan I suppose but not else where

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[leg-side-flick]

So far found these Posters are from J&K at PakPassion:
[MENTION=136874]Saqib Yousuf Yatoo[/MENTION]
[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION]
[MENTION=29232]adwords[/MENTION]
[MENTION=109520]veeray[/MENTION]
[MENTION=137989]hussain123[/MENTION]
[MENTION=137118]Mir jibran[/MENTION]
[MENTION=137191]Mrhandsome[/MENTION]
[MENTION=136852]kashmiri@die hard pak fan[/MENTION]
[MENTION=59262]shaaik[/MENTION]

Amazing to see so many poster from there here at PP!

Let see if there are more?

You missed me, or were you counting only Muslims !!!!

 

[leg-side-flick]

A quick reality check for you, it wasn't the kashmiris who ousted the kashmiri Hinduse from kashmir but it was the governor of the state who asked kashmiri Hinduse to leave kashmir so that the Indian Army cd run havoc on kashmiri Muslims and they did it so cunningly that it looked to the outer world that kashmiri Muslims were responsible for the Hinduse expiditation. Needless to mention that this governor was a Hindu

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If you were at least ten years old in 1990 then you would know this is a lie...

If you were not then you have been told lies while growing up, you should read more before laying the blame on Jagmohan !!!

 

[Strike Rate]

You missed me, or were you counting only Muslims !!!!

oh sorry if i missed your name by mistake and not all of the name i mentioned are muslim like adwords in the list

 

[leg-side-flick]

oh sorry if i missed your name by mistake and not all of the name i mentioned are muslim like adwords in the list

No worries... Good thread by the way....

 

[shaaik]

If you were at least ten years old in 1990 then you would know this is a lie...

If you were not then you have been told lies while growing up, you should read more before laying the blame on Jagmohan !!!

I was 4 then and i hv borne the brunt of it... My entire childhood was lost in the hope of better tomorrow. Believe me you wouldn't even imagine what we kashmiris hv been through in the hands of Indian tyrants ...

And about Jagmohan. . Well the less u talk about him the better it's. .. well if u don't believe me ... try to do some research about him .. u will get ur answers may be not the desired ones but u surely will get them .

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[kaayal]

No worries... Good thread by the way....

True. Gives us a reality check that how much 'Indian' are you guys.

 

[Strike Rate]

No worries... Good thread by the way....

True. Gives us a reality check that how much 'Indian' are you guys.

The experience is really nice and different because here we are listening directly to local kashmiris and their real issues instead of reading some articles on news site or watching news channel showing us only one side of the picture.

 

[Indiafan]

lol thats the whole point. They dont believe they are and there is not much there can be done to change that mindset. If they think that they are being mistreated and that is why they want to leave India then it is fixable. But if they dont even consider themselves Indians then thats hard to change,

How many are "they"? I can sign up on forums and pretend to be Canadian or Australian or Kashmiri. Doesn't make me one. Pretty some of them are Pakistanis trolling as Kashmiris

 

[90MPH]

How many are "they"? I can sign up on forums and pretend to be Canadian or Australian or Kashmiri. Doesn't make me one. Pretty some of them are Pakistanis trolling as Kashmiris

What would they gain by trolling as Kashmiris ??

Is there a Kashmir state to gain brownie points for their side, like Pakistan and India ?

Or is it more likley it's hard to read the words of Kashmiris that are showing no loyalty whatsoever towards India, hence that will hurt your feelings ?

It's most likely the latter. If you have proof then show it but don't descedit people just because you don't like reading their opinions.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

lol thats the whole point. They dont believe they are and there is not much there can be done to change that mindset. If they think that they are being mistreated and that is why they want to leave India then it is fixable. But if they dont even consider themselves Indians then thats hard to change,

Its hard but if the Indian government has any semblance of sense , no matter what people say, it will happen. From an Indian POV they'd have to invest in the locality, make the locals see the positives that India can bring and tone down on the military activity outside the border.

This applies to everywhere, Northern Ireland, Balochistan, Scotland etc etc, if the region benefits financially and improves long term, and the locals feel that they are being represented and listened to in some way by the government over time separatism will die down, people become happier and ultimately they become Indian. Separatism thrives on a couple key points

- Nationalism, the locals see themselves as members of a foreign nation
- the key one, discontent at their current living standards and general state of the area.

Basically the two are intertwined, if, for example, Kashmiris as it seems currently get treated poorly and are not satisfied with the general wellbeing of the region, nationalism rises/maintains its current level and they ask "why cant we run this place ourselves/join pakistan who care about us more etc etc.

If, suddenly India invested heavily in the region, people had more jobs, higher standards of living, better education and are generally happy with life in general, the second point I listed above, discontent, is no longer present or is greatly diminished, those who want to promote separatism have nothing plausible to get attention for their cause, I mean if most people are living happy lives why would they suddenly want to separate from India? People will simply ask pro Pakistani nationalists "Why should I listen?" and if they cant offer something tangible (which they wouldnt in this hypothethical scenario where Kashmir is wealthy and prosperous. because the vast majority of people value their standard of living over nationalism) they'll simply ignore them.

Best example of this is Scotland. 400 years ago if you'd offered them a vote on independence you'd have seen 90 percent saying yes. Now, after centuries of relative prosperity by virtue of being in the UK, they turned it down, because they, as every other nation would, value simple economics and standard of living over nationalism, as well as seeing themselves no longer as Scottish but as British. Now I disagreed with that vote and wanted an independent Scotland but the majority spoke. Same with Balochistan, if it gets invested in and people are happy the region benefits and separatism dies down significantly. Apply this to practically every disputed region and I'd wager its the same.

End result is its in India's hands really, If they treat Kashmir right, give people things to let them live happy lives and see the benefits of India, then, over time, say a generation or two, separatism will be significantly down. Another 2 generations of peace/prosperity pass and separatism is dead in the region, and the overwhelming majority are suddenly Indian without question.

If India just insist on shutting the locals up, not investing in the region and just holding onto it out of spite/strategic reasons and dont care about the actual Kashmiris then separatism will always fester and bubble up, and there will always be conflict along nationalistic grounds.

 

[Sidilicious]

Its hard but if the Indian government has any semblance of sense , no matter what people say, it will happen. From an Indian POV they'd have to invest in the locality, make the locals see the positives that India can bring and tone down on the military activity outside the border.

This applies to everywhere, Northern Ireland, Balochistan, Scotland etc etc, if the region benefits financially and improves long term, and the locals feel that they are being represented and listened to in some way by the government over time separatism will die down, people become happier and ultimately they become Indian. Separatism thrives on a couple key points

- Nationalism, the locals see themselves as members of a foreign nation
- the key one, discontent at their current living standards and general state of the area.

Basically the two are intertwined, if, for example, Kashmiris as it seems currently get treated poorly and are not satisfied with the general wellbeing of the region, nationalism rises/maintains its current level and they ask "why cant we run this place ourselves/join pakistan who care about us more etc etc.

If, suddenly India invested heavily in the region, people had more jobs, higher standards of living, better education and are generally happy with life in general, the second point I listed above, discontent, is no longer present or is greatly diminished, those who want to promote separatism have nothing plausible to get attention for their cause, I mean if most people are living happy lives why would they suddenly want to separate from India? People will simply ask pro Pakistani nationalists "Why should I listen?" and if they cant offer something tangible (which they wouldnt in this hypothethical scenario where Kashmir is wealthy and prosperous. because the vast majority of people value their standard of living over nationalism) they'll simply ignore them.

Best example of this is Scotland. 400 years ago if you'd offered them a vote on independence you'd have seen 90 percent saying yes. Now, after centuries of relative prosperity by virtue of being in the UK, they turned it down, because they, as every other nation would, value simple economics and standard of living over nationalism, as well as seeing themselves no longer as Scottish but as British. Now I disagreed with that vote and wanted an independent Scotland but the majority spoke. Same with Balochistan, if it gets invested in and people are happy the region benefits and separatism dies down significantly. Apply this to practically every disputed region and I'd wager its the same.

End result is its in India's hands really, If they treat Kashmir right, give people things to let them live happy lives and see the benefits of India, then, over time, say a generation or two, separatism will be significantly down. Another 2 generations of peace/prosperity pass and separatism is dead in the region, and the overwhelming majority are suddenly Indian without question.

If India just insist on shutting the locals up, not investing in the region and just holding onto it out of spite/strategic reasons and dont care about the actual Kashmiris then separatism will always fester and bubble up, and there will always be conflict along nationalistic grounds.

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[Slog]

How many are "they"? I can sign up on forums and pretend to be Canadian or Australian or Kashmiri. Doesn't make me one. Pretty some of them are Pakistanis trolling as Kashmiris

lol typical indian tactics. Keep your head in the sand further.

These guys (most anyway cant know all) have been around for a while and check out as Indian based posters (Im a mod I can see that). Importantly they havent really trolled re India Pakistan before so its not as if they were always waiting for a thread like this to do their work lol.

Though whats really is a clear indication is their knowledge. The average Pakistani just doesnt know much about IOK beyond India army being there while this is not the case with most of these posters. Anyways you can bellive what you want

 

[hussain123]

Pathetic post. Have you ever tried venturing out of your bubble and talking to the rest of your countrymen? You'll find the majority would not treat you differently because you're from Kashmir. From your post it feels like Kashmiris have alienated themselves with help from the Indian army of course. But armies are brutal anywhere, heck that's why they're armies! And Indian Muslims are far more patriotic than you give them credit for. With neighbours like Pakistan and China, there's no way India can give up control over Kashmir. So I think you had better start living with the fact that you're Indian and act accordingly. Would be best for everyone involved.

He is a simpleton, you could easily make it iut from his post.he doesnt have a clue what he is talking about.

 

[hussain123]

Its hard but if the Indian government has any semblance of sense , no matter what people say, it will happen. From an Indian POV they'd have to invest in the locality, make the locals see the positives that India can bring and tone down on the military activity outside the border.

This applies to everywhere, Northern Ireland, Balochistan, Scotland etc etc, if the region benefits financially and improves long term, and the locals feel that they are being represented and listened to in some way by the government over time separatism will die down, people become happier and ultimately they become Indian. Separatism thrives on a couple key points

- Nationalism, the locals see themselves as members of a foreign nation
- the key one, discontent at their current living standards and general state of the area.

Basically the two are intertwined, if, for example, Kashmiris as it seems currently get treated poorly and are not satisfied with the general wellbeing of the region, nationalism rises/maintains its current level and they ask "why cant we run this place ourselves/join pakistan who care about us more etc etc.

If, suddenly India invested heavily in the region, people had more jobs, higher standards of living, better education and are generally happy with life in general, the second point I listed above, discontent, is no longer present or is greatly diminished, those who want to promote separatism have nothing plausible to get attention for their cause, I mean if most people are living happy lives why would they suddenly want to separate from India? People will simply ask pro Pakistani nationalists "Why should I listen?" and if they cant offer something tangible (which they wouldnt in this hypothethical scenario where Kashmir is wealthy and prosperous. because the vast majority of people value their standard of living over nationalism) they'll simply ignore them.

Best example of this is Scotland. 400 years ago if you'd offered them a vote on independence you'd have seen 90 percent saying yes. Now, after centuries of relative prosperity by virtue of being in the UK, they turned it down, because they, as every other nation would, value simple economics and standard of living over nationalism, as well as seeing themselves no longer as Scottish but as British. Now I disagreed with that vote and wanted an independent Scotland but the majority spoke. Same with Balochistan, if it gets invested in and people are happy the region benefits and separatism dies down significantly. Apply this to practically every disputed region and I'd wager its the same.

End result is its in India's hands really, If they treat Kashmir right, give people things to let them live happy lives and see the benefits of India, then, over time, say a generation or two, separatism will be significantly down. Another 2 generations of peace/prosperity pass and separatism is dead in the region, and the overwhelming majority are suddenly Indian without question.

If India just insist on shutting the locals up, not investing in the region and just holding onto it out of spite/strategic reasons and dont care about the actual Kashmiris then separatism will always fester and bubble up, and there will always be conflict along nationalistic grounds.

It is a political problem at the end of day and needs a political resolution.

 

[Strike Rate]

How many are "they"? I can sign up on forums and pretend to be Canadian or Australian or Kashmiri. Doesn't make me one. Pretty some of them are Pakistanis trolling as Kashmiris

Labeling them Pakistani trolls without any proof just because you can't digest the ground reality? smart move i will say

 

[leg-side-flick]

I was 4 then and i hv borne the brunt of it... My entire childhood was lost in the hope of better tomorrow. Believe me you wouldn't even imagine what we kashmiris hv been through in the hands of Indian tyrants ...

And about Jagmohan. . Well the less u talk about him the better it's. .. well if u don't believe me ... try to do some research about him .. u will get ur answers may be not the desired ones but u surely will get them .

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You may have suffered and I am not denying but please don't tell me that pandits left because of Jagmohan.... That's falsehood....

 

[shaaik]

You may have suffered and I am not denying but please don't tell me that pandits left because of Jagmohan.... That's falsehood....

And how do u know its false ??

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[leg-side-flick]

And how do u know its false ??

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I was there and I was not 4

 

[veeray]

The boy who has been arested in uhdampur is a kashmiri boy of Qaimoh kulgam but not a terrorist And he is mentally weak.i wonder what Indian posters here will say about this here.
There is a limit to everything.
( I know this is not the right thread,couldn't find that thread about uhdampur attack in j&k few days back)

 

[veeray]

You may have suffered and I am not denying but please don't tell me that pandits left because of Jagmohan.... That's falsehood....

I have a question for you..why didn't Sikhs left the valley at that time.?

 

[kaayal]

The boy who has been arested in uhdampur is a kashmiri boy of Qaimoh kulgam but not a terrorist And he is mentally weak.i wonder what Indian posters here will say about this here.
There is a limit to everything.
( I know this is not the right thread,couldn't find that thread about uhdampur attack in j&k few days back)

Any source please?

 

[hussain123]

I have a question for you..why didn't Sikhs left the valley at that time.?

Their expulsion suited indian state, but I dont buy that jagmohan thing.our movement shouldnt have started as a pan islamic movement.we just gave india a free hand to execute its genocide here.we have to ponder why we couldnt bring or convince pandits into aazadi fold.i would blame our leaders for that.we have to accewpt our mistakes.

 

[leg-side-flick]

I have a question for you..why didn't Sikhs left the valley at that time.?

You can ask this to Sikhs, I am not their spokesman and by the way, Who says Sikhs did not leave, what you are saying actually is that all Sikhs did not leave.... The ones who stayed back were massacred in chastisingpora.....

Now don't hijack the original question about Pandits leaving because of Jagmohan and not because of Muslims, this is completely wrong

 

[hussain123]

You can ask this to Sikhs, I am not their spokesman and by the way, Who says Sikhs did not leave, what you are saying actually is that all Sikhs did not leave.... The ones who stayed back were massacred in chastisingpora.....

Now don't hijack the original question about Pandits leaving because of Jagmohan and not because of Muslims, this is completely wrong

I may be wrong.but general perception among sikhs here is that chattisingpora massacre was the handiwork of agencies.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

Indian Punjabi's regularly get to interact with Kashmiri's. They sell shawls, people fully trust them, women even in absence of male family members allow Kashmiri's to enter house and check shawls and other stuff. Never ever heard any rape or molestation case. They are friendly and make strong bonds with some families, and pay visit year after year.

These days they can be seen as Rickshaw pullers as well, Easily earn 200-300 Indian Rupees a day.

Kashmiri's have far better reputation than UP/Bihar Muslims in Punjab, they mind their own business, don't chew Tobacco etc, they don't smell bad, live honest life.

I am amazed how fast they walk, they always brisk walk no matter what. They don't look alien in Punjab with beard and Salwar Kurta with loyyi on shoulders. They look rugged and frugal like rural Sikhs, in complete contrast to 5 feet UP Muslims who ape Sallu Bhai.

 

[leg-side-flick]

I may be wrong.but general perception among sikhs here is that chattisingpora massacre was the handiwork of agencies.

Check with Sikhs in Jammu etc.... See the point I am making is Km's are telling lies to themselves... I keep hearing it like, pandits left coz of Jagmohan as he wanted to unleash army... The massacres were only done by army and none by terrorists etc etc....

Pandits also have developed a strong hatred for Muslims now... This is what happens when you can't interact and believe the other party is out to get you

 

[MSaad1237]

The boy who has been arested in uhdampur is a kashmiri boy of Qaimoh kulgam but not a terrorist And he is mentally weak.i wonder what Indian posters here will say about this here.
There is a limit to everything.
( I know this is not the right thread,couldn't find that thread about uhdampur attack in j&k few days back)

You mean the guy they (Indian media) is labeling as a Pakistani terrorist?



do you have any source? this could expose India big time .

 

[hussain123]

Check with Sikhs in Jammu etc.... See the point I am making is Km's are telling lies to themselves... I keep hearing it like, pandits left coz of Jagmohan as he wanted to unleash army... The massacres were only done by army and none by terrorists etc etc....

Pandits also have developed a strong hatred for Muslims now... This is what happens when you can't interact and believe the other party is out to get you

What is the solution? How do you the think the two communities cam be brought closer? Other than showingbgenuine respect for each others sentiments

 

[Ali1984]

How many PPers here are from Indian side of Kashmir?

I remember years ago Indian soldier dressed up as either Pakistani soldiers or mujahideen and slaughtered Sikhs in j&k to make it look like Pakistanis done it.


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[hussain123]

I remember years ago Indian soldier dressed up as either Pakistani soldiers or mujahideen and slaughtered Sikhs in j&k to make it look like Pakistanis done it.


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Official line is Let has done it.but sikhs organisations want a reprobe of this incident.general perception amongst sikhs in kashmir is it was planned by agencies.massswxre happened on day when bill clinton was visiting india.and some say he had made his mind to give a very sharp statement on kashmir but after this, he didnt.

 

[Ali1984]

How many PPers here are from Indian side of Kashmir?

1) To deploy more troops in the region

2) make the Muslims look bad and get to Sikhs unite with Hindus.

I'm from azad Kashmir and I can say we have never been treated any differently by the Pakistani army or police.

Do you blame these Kashmiris to feel ill towards Indians and not want to be associated with India in any way. Yet Indians play innocent and behave as if they treat Kashmiris like any other Indians and only the Kashmiris have ill feelings.


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[hussain123]

1) To deploy more troops in the region

2) make the Muslims look bad and get to Sikhs unite with Hindus.

I'm from azad Kashmir and I can say we have never been treated any differently by the Pakistani army or police.

Do you blame these Kashmiris to feel ill towards Indians and not want to be associated with India in any way. Yet Indians play innocent and behave as if they treat Kashmiris like any other Indians and only the Kashmiris have ill feelings.


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Some of friends are studying in punjab and what they tell is that sikhs are patriotic indians but a very secular, easy going bunch of people.

 

[Ali1984]

Some of friends are studying in punjab and what they tell is that sikhs are patriotic indians but a very secular, easy going bunch of people.

I live in UK and the area I live in we have a large community of Sikhs you have some idiots like any race but majority are fine, educated And patriotic yet some want freedom for Punjab or Khalistan as they call it.


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