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This thread is not intended to explore the deterioration in Pakistan's performances in every format compared with the Inzamam/Arthur era. Those results are a matter of record and do not require further analysis.

What I want to discuss is the elementary errors that Misbah and Waqar made in how they did their jobs, which made them so easy to remove. These are schoolboy errors that very few of us would make in our own jobs.

1. Stripping the team of players at their peak
This is a brave move for any Chief Selector.

Most people can see that players don't reach their peak until their early to mid-twenties, and pass it by the age of around 30.

Most self-respecting sports coaches will therefore stack the team with players aged 23-30. Misbah actually removed almost all players in that age group, and replaced them with grandpas or kids, with predictable results. By the second Test in Australia the bowling line-up took 3 wickets in the entire match.

2. Packing the team with veterans
The final Inzamam/Arthur Test side contained 3 players aged over 30 - Azhar Ali who was presumed to be playing his final Test, Asad Shafiq and Sarfraz Ahmed.

The first Misbah/Misbah Test side suddenly ran this number up to 7 players aged over 30 - in the very next Test.

Suddenly players who had been culled by Inzamam and Arthur were back. The transition from Yasir Shah to Shadab Khan was reversed (after Shadab took 4-80 and scored 5 and 47 not out in the previous Test).

But the players whom Misbah brought back were either has-beens or nobodies.

His four new older players were:

Haris Sohail (who scored less than 10 in every innings except one on tour).

Yasir Shah - who in 11 Tests after his recall took 32 wickets at an average of 46.06!

Iftikhar Ahmed

Imran Khan

Would you bet your career on people like this succeeding in Australia?

Meanwhile he persisted with Asad Shafiq until he recalled the same Fawad Alam whose playing place he had taken a decade earlier.

And then he selected Abid Ali.

And he kept picking Mohammad Abbas. Abbas played 11 Tests in the Misbah era, of which 5 were with his favoured Dukes Ball. But he took just 24 wickets in 11 Tests, at an average of 34.45, and with a disastrous strike rate of 87.4 That is not a misprint!

3. And kids!
Misbah precipitated the retirement of Mohammad Amir from Tests when he indicated that he would not honour Inzamam's agreement that he would play only Pink Ball and SENA Tests.

The bowling attack was already youthful due to the development of Shaheen Shah Afridi, but Misbah and Waqar then decided that what was required in Australia was two kids of very short height, in Naseem Shah and Musa Khan.

Mickey Arthur had already gained some kudos by bringing along Babar Azam (who had been blocked from the team Misbah captained), Shaheen, Shadab and Faheem, all of whom performed creditably in England and South Africa.

Misbah just needed to keep them in the team and bring in younger players one at a time - probably by grooming Naseem Shah and Rohail Nazir and calling up Saud Shakeel and Usman Salahuddin.

Instead he lost his mind completely, pairing Shaheen in Australia with Naseem Shah in one Test and Musa Khan in the other.

Picking dummy captains
We all know that by convention, an international cricket captain is the boss of the coach - the opposite of most other sports.

Misbah was well aware that he lacked the qualifications or credentials to coach even a district cricket team, let alone an international one. He needed to reinforce his power by his control over the skipper, or so he thought.

So Azhar Ali, whom Mickey Arthur had planned to release into retirement, not only stayed in the team, he became Misbah's puppet captain. In 27 innings in the Misbah Era he reached 50 just 5 times, and failed to reach 40 TWENTY TWO TIMES.

When Azhar had to be replaced - he was averaging 14.28 after four away Tests in the Misbah era as captain - there were three potential replacements. Shan Masood was more intelligent and more highly educated than Misbah, so that wasn't going to happen. Mohammad Rizwan is a tough, strong-minded individual, so that wasn't going to happen. But Babar Azam is semi-educated and has no leadership qualities, so he was the ideal man to appoint so that Misbah could still be in charge.

Alienating his players
In England in 2018 and in South Africa eight months later a new core had developed within the team. Hasan Ali, Faheem Ashraf and Shadab Khan - along with Mohammad Amir - were contributing significantly more than Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Yasir Shah and Sarfraz Ahmed, and were essentially driving the team forward. But Misbah threw the new core of the team overboard, and ensured that a rift developed within the team which undermined his power and control.

He basically discarded four of his best five players to accommodate his cronies, and he never recovered from this political miscalculation. We saw his hostility towards Mohammad Amir, but we also heard the carefully leaked criticisms of the attitudes of Hasan Ali, Shadab Khan and Faheem Ashraf, and we all knew why they were happening. Nobody was fooled, and the players he needed the most resented him for his actions.

The final denouement
The results were predictable. Misbah had packed his team with extreme age in terms of both youth and old age. And he had also chosen weak on-field leadership to ensure that the captain would not use his rightful status to over-rule him.

Gradually a pattern emerged.

On tour in Australia, then England, then finally New Zealand everyone could compare Misbah's team's performance with Arthur's a couple of years earlier.

And in every case, the Misbah team performed much worse than the Arthur one that preceded it.

Fans and employers will generally tolerate a bad run if things are improving and if you have made a generational change by phasing out veterans in favour of a younger generation.

But Misbah had done the opposite. He had replaced men in their twenties with a combination of men in their mid-thirties and boys. He had appointed weak skippers to consolidate his own power, and he had alienated four of the five players who had contributed the most on the field in the previous year.

He made himself so easy to sack. It's just extraordinary.
 
To be fair, Misbah made umpteen stupid mistakes, but he did do one good thing.

He replaced Sarfraz Ahmed with Mohammad Rizwan.
 
Yeah and Rambo finished the job

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This thread is not intended to explore the deterioration in Pakistan's performances in every format compared with the Inzamam/Arthur era. Those results are a matter of record and do not require further analysis.

What I want to discuss is the elementary errors that Misbah and Waqar made in how they did their jobs, which made them so easy to remove. These are schoolboy errors that very few of us would make in our own jobs.

1. Stripping the team of players at their peak
This is a brave move for any Chief Selector.

Most people can see that players don't reach their peak until their early to mid-twenties, and pass it by the age of around 30.

Most self-respecting sports coaches will therefore stack the team with players aged 23-30. Misbah actually removed almost all players in that age group, and replaced them with grandpas or kids, with predictable results. By the second Test in Australia the bowling line-up took 3 wickets in the entire match.

2. Packing the team with veterans
The final Inzamam/Arthur Test side contained 3 players aged over 30 - Azhar Ali who was presumed to be playing his final Test, Asad Shafiq and Sarfraz Ahmed.

The first Misbah/Misbah Test side suddenly ran this number up to 7 players aged over 30 - in the very next Test.

Suddenly players who had been culled by Inzamam and Arthur were back. The transition from Yasir Shah to Shadab Khan was reversed (after Shadab took 4-80 and scored 5 and 47 not out in the previous Test).

But the players whom Misbah brought back were either has-beens or nobodies.

His four new older players were:

Haris Sohail (who scored less than 10 in every innings except one on tour).

Yasir Shah - who in 11 Tests after his recall took 32 wickets at an average of 46.06!

Iftikhar Ahmed

Imran Khan

Would you bet your career on people like this succeeding in Australia?

Meanwhile he persisted with Asad Shafiq until he recalled the same Fawad Alam whose playing place he had taken a decade earlier.

And then he selected Abid Ali.

And he kept picking Mohammad Abbas. Abbas played 11 Tests in the Misbah era, of which 5 were with his favoured Dukes Ball. But he took just 24 wickets in 11 Tests, at an average of 34.45, and with a disastrous strike rate of 87.4 That is not a misprint!

3. And kids!
Misbah precipitated the retirement of Mohammad Amir from Tests when he indicated that he would not honour Inzamam's agreement that he would play only Pink Ball and SENA Tests.

The bowling attack was already youthful due to the development of Shaheen Shah Afridi, but Misbah and Waqar then decided that what was required in Australia was two kids of very short height, in Naseem Shah and Musa Khan.

Mickey Arthur had already gained some kudos by bringing along Babar Azam (who had been blocked from the team Misbah captained), Shaheen, Shadab and Faheem, all of whom performed creditably in England and South Africa.

Misbah just needed to keep them in the team and bring in younger players one at a time - probably by grooming Naseem Shah and Rohail Nazir and calling up Saud Shakeel and Usman Salahuddin.

Instead he lost his mind completely, pairing Shaheen in Australia with Naseem Shah in one Test and Musa Khan in the other.

Picking dummy captains
We all know that by convention, an international cricket captain is the boss of the coach - the opposite of most other sports.

Misbah was well aware that he lacked the qualifications or credentials to coach even a district cricket team, let alone an international one. He needed to reinforce his power by his control over the skipper, or so he thought.

So Azhar Ali, whom Mickey Arthur had planned to release into retirement, not only stayed in the team, he became Misbah's puppet captain. In 27 innings in the Misbah Era he reached 50 just 5 times, and failed to reach 40 TWENTY TWO TIMES.

When Azhar had to be replaced - he was averaging 14.28 after four away Tests in the Misbah era as captain - there were three potential replacements. Shan Masood was more intelligent and more highly educated than Misbah, so that wasn't going to happen. Mohammad Rizwan is a tough, strong-minded individual, so that wasn't going to happen. But Babar Azam is semi-educated and has no leadership qualities, so he was the ideal man to appoint so that Misbah could still be in charge.

Alienating his players
In England in 2018 and in South Africa eight months later a new core had developed within the team. Hasan Ali, Faheem Ashraf and Shadab Khan - along with Mohammad Amir - were contributing significantly more than Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Yasir Shah and Sarfraz Ahmed, and were essentially driving the team forward. But Misbah threw the new core of the team overboard, and ensured that a rift developed within the team which undermined his power and control.

He basically discarded four of his best five players to accommodate his cronies, and he never recovered from this political miscalculation. We saw his hostility towards Mohammad Amir, but we also heard the carefully leaked criticisms of the attitudes of Hasan Ali, Shadab Khan and Faheem Ashraf, and we all knew why they were happening. Nobody was fooled, and the players he needed the most resented him for his actions.

The final denouement
The results were predictable. Misbah had packed his team with extreme age in terms of both youth and old age. And he had also chosen weak on-field leadership to ensure that the captain would not use his rightful status to over-rule him.

Gradually a pattern emerged.

On tour in Australia, then England, then finally New Zealand everyone could compare Misbah's team's performance with Arthur's a couple of years earlier.

And in every case, the Misbah team performed much worse than the Arthur one that preceded it.

Fans and employers will generally tolerate a bad run if things are improving and if you have made a generational change by phasing out veterans in favour of a younger generation.

But Misbah had done the opposite. He had replaced men in their twenties with a combination of men in their mid-thirties and boys. He had appointed weak skippers to consolidate his own power, and he had alienated four of the five players who had contributed the most on the field in the previous year.

He made himself so easy to sack. It's just extraordinary.

For once, I agree with everything in your post.
 
This thread is not intended to explore the deterioration in Pakistan's performances in every format compared with the Inzamam/Arthur era. Those results are a matter of record and do not require further analysis.

What I want to discuss is the elementary errors that Misbah and Waqar made in how they did their jobs, which made them so easy to remove. These are schoolboy errors that very few of us would make in our own jobs.

1. Stripping the team of players at their peak
This is a brave move for any Chief Selector.

Most people can see that players don't reach their peak until their early to mid-twenties, and pass it by the age of around 30.

Most self-respecting sports coaches will therefore stack the team with players aged 23-30. Misbah actually removed almost all players in that age group, and replaced them with grandpas or kids, with predictable results. By the second Test in Australia the bowling line-up took 3 wickets in the entire match.

2. Packing the team with veterans
The final Inzamam/Arthur Test side contained 3 players aged over 30 - Azhar Ali who was presumed to be playing his final Test, Asad Shafiq and Sarfraz Ahmed.

The first Misbah/Misbah Test side suddenly ran this number up to 7 players aged over 30 - in the very next Test.

Suddenly players who had been culled by Inzamam and Arthur were back. The transition from Yasir Shah to Shadab Khan was reversed (after Shadab took 4-80 and scored 5 and 47 not out in the previous Test).

But the players whom Misbah brought back were either has-beens or nobodies.

His four new older players were:

Haris Sohail (who scored less than 10 in every innings except one on tour).

Yasir Shah - who in 11 Tests after his recall took 32 wickets at an average of 46.06!

Iftikhar Ahmed

Imran Khan

Would you bet your career on people like this succeeding in Australia?

Meanwhile he persisted with Asad Shafiq until he recalled the same Fawad Alam whose playing place he had taken a decade earlier.

And then he selected Abid Ali.

And he kept picking Mohammad Abbas. Abbas played 11 Tests in the Misbah era, of which 5 were with his favoured Dukes Ball. But he took just 24 wickets in 11 Tests, at an average of 34.45, and with a disastrous strike rate of 87.4 That is not a misprint!

3. And kids!
Misbah precipitated the retirement of Mohammad Amir from Tests when he indicated that he would not honour Inzamam's agreement that he would play only Pink Ball and SENA Tests.

The bowling attack was already youthful due to the development of Shaheen Shah Afridi, but Misbah and Waqar then decided that what was required in Australia was two kids of very short height, in Naseem Shah and Musa Khan.

Mickey Arthur had already gained some kudos by bringing along Babar Azam (who had been blocked from the team Misbah captained), Shaheen, Shadab and Faheem, all of whom performed creditably in England and South Africa.

Misbah just needed to keep them in the team and bring in younger players one at a time - probably by grooming Naseem Shah and Rohail Nazir and calling up Saud Shakeel and Usman Salahuddin.

Instead he lost his mind completely, pairing Shaheen in Australia with Naseem Shah in one Test and Musa Khan in the other.

Picking dummy captains
We all know that by convention, an international cricket captain is the boss of the coach - the opposite of most other sports.

Misbah was well aware that he lacked the qualifications or credentials to coach even a district cricket team, let alone an international one. He needed to reinforce his power by his control over the skipper, or so he thought.

So Azhar Ali, whom Mickey Arthur had planned to release into retirement, not only stayed in the team, he became Misbah's puppet captain. In 27 innings in the Misbah Era he reached 50 just 5 times, and failed to reach 40 TWENTY TWO TIMES.

When Azhar had to be replaced - he was averaging 14.28 after four away Tests in the Misbah era as captain - there were three potential replacements. Shan Masood was more intelligent and more highly educated than Misbah, so that wasn't going to happen. Mohammad Rizwan is a tough, strong-minded individual, so that wasn't going to happen. But Babar Azam is semi-educated and has no leadership qualities, so he was the ideal man to appoint so that Misbah could still be in charge.

Alienating his players
In England in 2018 and in South Africa eight months later a new core had developed within the team. Hasan Ali, Faheem Ashraf and Shadab Khan - along with Mohammad Amir - were contributing significantly more than Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Yasir Shah and Sarfraz Ahmed, and were essentially driving the team forward. But Misbah threw the new core of the team overboard, and ensured that a rift developed within the team which undermined his power and control.

He basically discarded four of his best five players to accommodate his cronies, and he never recovered from this political miscalculation. We saw his hostility towards Mohammad Amir, but we also heard the carefully leaked criticisms of the attitudes of Hasan Ali, Shadab Khan and Faheem Ashraf, and we all knew why they were happening. Nobody was fooled, and the players he needed the most resented him for his actions.

The final denouement
The results were predictable. Misbah had packed his team with extreme age in terms of both youth and old age. And he had also chosen weak on-field leadership to ensure that the captain would not use his rightful status to over-rule him.

Gradually a pattern emerged.

On tour in Australia, then England, then finally New Zealand everyone could compare Misbah's team's performance with Arthur's a couple of years earlier.

And in every case, the Misbah team performed much worse than the Arthur one that preceded it.

Fans and employers will generally tolerate a bad run if things are improving and if you have made a generational change by phasing out veterans in favour of a younger generation.

But Misbah had done the opposite. He had replaced men in their twenties with a combination of men in their mid-thirties and boys. He had appointed weak skippers to consolidate his own power, and he had alienated four of the five players who had contributed the most on the field in the previous year.

He made himself so easy to sack. It's just extraordinary.


We may be harping on how did they destroy themselves, but they must be laughing and fully content after making A LOT of money and having enjoyed a joy ride of their lives.

No, they didn’t destroy themselves. They scammed us and walked away with the last laugh.

If we had hired the right and honest professionals, you would not have such a long list of “school boy errors” to begin with.

They didn’t make any mistake - these were the horrors they were supposed to do due to their incompetence.

Ask them, and they will NEVER EVER acknowledge to have made a mistake. Not because they are lying but because they truly believe in it.
 
I probably let Waqar Younis off too lightly in my original post.

Waqar was a legendary fast bowler. But he has never shown any capacity for self-analysis, let alone analysing the bowling of the people whom he is employed to coach.

In Adelaide during the Second Test of 2019-20, I asked him about a stunning spell that I watched him bowl at The Oval in 1991, when his county was playing against Aaqib Javed's. He could not remember Aaqib taking a five wicket bag and he could not remember his own spells of six wickets in each innings.

This is not a man for details. He can't remember details about his own career, let alone anyone else's.

Before the Brisbane Test a month earlier he had been asked about the bizarre selection of Musa Khan an Imran Khan for that tour, when their domestic First Class records that season were appalling.

Waqar did not even know that Imran and Musa had appalling domestic First Class records that season. He told the media they had been picked due to strong domestic First Class performances!

Some times in life you encounter a chancer who just bluffs his way through his job, badly.

Waqar was a great fast bowler, but his coaching career is all bluff, and no substance.
 
Earlier I wrote that a failing coach or selector is often given more time if he has presided over a generational change from veterans to younger players - but Misbah actually stripped the team he inherited of almost all the players who were in their twenties, and replaced them with geriatrics and raw kids.

But there is another way a coach with poor results can be given more time, in most ball sports.

If that coach is presiding over a new brand of cricket, and the new brand is more positive and attacking, often the coach will be given more time.

But Misbah failed there too. His team played negative attritional cricket. He only picked 5 batsmen, of whom three - Abid Ali, Azhar Ali and Fawad Alam - scored so slowly that in an hour at the crease they might only add 25 runs, allowing 40-2 to become 65-3.

The same was true with the bowling. Faheem Ashraf is a negative, defensive stock bowler. That's fine - he averages 40 with the bat since his recall and his job is to keep the strike bowlers fresh.

But Mohammad Abbas was bowling the same negative, economical spells, and Shaheen Shah Afridi effectively was the only strike bowler.

A failing coach may get longer in charge if he is rejuvenating an ageing team or if he is making a defensive team more exciting to watch.

But Misbah did the opposite!
 
Soon there will be a thread on how Ramiz destroyed the so called Shaheen's as our media calls them.
 
Soon there will be a thread on how Ramiz destroyed the so called Shaheen's as our media calls them.

You know how in football there are certain coaches who take players around with them from club to club, and you often find yourself scratching your head thinking "why him?".

I don't believe that any other Chief Selector, if appointed to the Pakistan job, would have selected:

Imran Khan
Sohail Khan
Iftikhar Ahmed
Musa Khan
Mohammad Irfan

These were selections which were absolutely outrageous. They went far, far beyond what any other human in the world would have done -no other selector in the world would have picked Sohail Khan or Imran Khan.

I know that there are people like [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] who will dispute my next comment, but in my opinion between:

1. His role in Mickey Arthur's removal, and
2. His subsequent appointment to a job he was unqualified for, and
3. His comically ridiculous selection picks like Imran and Sohail, and
4. His appalling results, and
5. His cowardly excuse for his exit......

.........the only word that I can use for Misbah is to call him "the disgraced former Pakistan captain, coach and chief selector".

There is no other word for Misbah's tenure apart from disgrace.

If you are going to discard players in their peak years and replace them with old men then your old men had better win, and they'd better average over 40 with the bat or under 40 with the ball.

Misbah gambled his entire reputation on his geriatric friends. And he lost.
 
Whilst I agree the last 2 years were a complete waste and a horror show, it is not something that was unexpected.

We knew Misbah’s penchant for selecting his failing friends from his days as captain.

Misbah proved himself to be a shameless individual who didn’t care about the losses and humiliation. His only aim was to serve his self-interests.

It’s telling that after holding the roles of both the chief selector and head coach, both have been lost in only 2 years.

Is that the fault of Misbah? The blame really needs to go to PCB as they gambled on a guy that was unproven.

Instead, we’re now left with going into WC’s with no middle order. Something Misbah failed miserably to address.

As far as Waqar is concerned, this guy is just there for a free ride. He’ll probably be back at some point in the future with another ‘coaching’ role.
 
Such threads are usless when fake lies are used.

Regarding the mickey removal, it has been proven what happened and what the timelines were, but posters here want to believe a narrative they build in their own mind to hate misbah so they go around telling that even after disproving them.

Infact many of such posters after telling them the actual story dont even have the guts to reply like [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] and eill still go on telling lies on different threads.

Even this thread requires the OP to make repetative post about a single player :))


Give it a rest.
 
Such threads are usless when fake lies are used.

Regarding the mickey removal, it has been proven what happened and what the timelines were, but posters here want to believe a narrative they build in their own mind to hate misbah so they go around telling that even after disproving them.

Infact many of such posters after telling them the actual story dont even have the guts to reply like [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] and eill still go on telling lies on different threads.

Even this thread requires the OP to make repetative post about a single player :))


Give it a rest.

Yes, we do know the timelines of the Mickey Arthur sacking.

Pakistan was eliminated from the World Cup on 7 July 2019.

The PCB cricket committee interviewed Arthur in late July 2019, three weeks after the team missed the World Cup semi-final only on net run rate, having defeated both of the eventual finalists. Misbah-ul-Haq was on that committee which chose to dismiss Mickey Arthur on 2 August 2019.

The job of Chief Coach was then recruited to in record time, with the job description suspiciously rewritten to allow applicants to apply if they were not fully qualified coaches but had "comparable" experience, and with the role of Head Coach combined with Chief Selector.

By 4 September 2019 Misbah was unveiled as the successful applicant.

Just 33 days had passed from the meeting at which he decided to sack Mickey Arthur, from the job being rewritten, to applications opening and closing, to interviews happening and to Misbah emerging as his successor.

In other words, 33 days was all it took for this Conflict of Interest to vanish.

It's a disgraceful and shameful story of unethical behaviour.
 
Such threads are usless when fake lies are used.

Regarding the mickey removal, it has been proven what happened and what the timelines were, but posters here want to believe a narrative they build in their own mind to hate misbah so they go around telling that even after disproving them.

Infact many of such posters after telling them the actual story dont even have the guts to reply like [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] and eill still go on telling lies on different threads.

Even this thread requires the OP to make repetative post about a single player :))


Give it a rest.

Why don't you address the points made by OP? - so you can expose the "fake lies" you speak off but the only lies I have come across relating to the topic from Misbah are from you.

For example you once claimed that Misbah (as captain) never wanted Amir back in the side, when the fact of the matter is he actually went out of his way to get him back into the test team during his captaincy days.

You're not fooling anyone bro.
 
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Why don't you address the points made by OP? - so you can expose the "fake lies" you speak off but the only lies I have come across relating to the topic from Misbah are from you.

For example you once claimed that Misbah (as captain) never wanted Amir back in the side, when the fact of the matter is he actually went out of his way to get him back into the test team during his captaincy days.

You're not fooling anyone bro.

bro, these points have been addressed a million times. Problem is, even after addressing them the people who dislike Misbah dont care and will keep making posts based on the narrative they like. It doesnt matter if its true or not.

Its just waste of time trying to argue the same thing over and over when they are not gonna change their opinion
 
ALL Hail KING MISBAH. He brought an end to the dressing room politics and fights as the captain. He won Pak the last bilateral ODI series against India in 2013. Pakistan needed Misbah. Misbah was the perfect person to lead a volatile team like Pak as he brought the stability.
 
Soon there will be a thread on how Ramiz destroyed the so called Shaheen's as our media calls them.

This is Rambo's team and he wanted power hitters. These players will play with DIL and Gurda as Rambo says.
 
To be fair, Misbah made umpteen stupid mistakes, but he did do one good thing.

He replaced Sarfraz Ahmed with Mohammad Rizwan.

That was his biggest mistake

The T20i team is totally unbalanced in order to accommodate the golden boy Rizwan, and it’s only a matter of time Rizwan will become another villain in ODI cricket
 
You missed the part where he selected an old Grandpa Mohammad Irfan for T20s in Australia. Also Misbah was the one who first suggested the name of Azhar Ali to be made captain for both Odis and Tests.
 
I probably let Waqar Younis off too lightly in my original post.

Waqar was a legendary fast bowler. But he has never shown any capacity for self-analysis, let alone analysing the bowling of the people whom he is employed to coach.

In Adelaide during the Second Test of 2019-20, I asked him about a stunning spell that I watched him bowl at The Oval in 1991, when his county was playing against Aaqib Javed's. He could not remember Aaqib taking a five wicket bag and he could not remember his own spells of six wickets in each innings.

This is not a man for details. He can't remember details about his own career, let alone anyone else's.

Before the Brisbane Test a month earlier he had been asked about the bizarre selection of Musa Khan an Imran Khan for that tour, when their domestic First Class records that season were appalling.

Waqar did not even know that Imran and Musa had appalling domestic First Class records that season. He told the media they had been picked due to strong domestic First Class performances!

Some times in life you encounter a chancer who just bluffs his way through his job, badly.

Waqar was a great fast bowler, but his coaching career is all bluff, and no substance.

Absolutely agree with everything you have written in this whole thread. If misbah is the chief architect of the disaster in the last 2 years, Waqar is just as responsible for all the selections made in the bowling department.

Went to see the T20 in sydney, vs australia, and they picked a 37 year old Mohd Irfan for the T20 team from nowhere, proceeded to play him in 2 games and then drop him to be replaced by Musa and hasnain for the last game where they got smacked for 10 rpo, leading into the test series :facepalm: :))
 
The same old story OP, give it a rest. He's gone now so rejoice
 
Did Misbha and Waqar ruined Pakistan team by Making Babar as Captain and removing Sarfarz from team and Captaincy?

I mean this team is in a same position now as it was when Azhar Ali was a clueless Captain. Sorry to say Babar Azam is a pathetic captain, which does not even know basics do's and don't of the situations. I am sure if Sarfarz was the captain he could not have bat worse than Agha Salman or could not have worse captaincy than Babar Azam or could not have done worse keeping than Rizwan.

Babar Azam is facing his Karma and he will disgracefully and we will trash by Media after world cup and he will be no longer a captain.
 
I see that these 3 individuals are 3 of the loudest voices right now following Pakistan’s humiliating World Cup 2023 campaign.

-Ramiz Raja as usual blaming the system, non performing players and everyone under the sun but Babar Azam

-Misbah ul Haq with his usual monotonous tone of grief sitting on TV telling everyone how he tried to warn the team and the management

-Waqar Younis giving interviews to Indian broadcasters about all the wrongs Pakistan displayed in this World Cup etc.

I can’t help but to think that these three individuals are not owning up to the many mistakes that they made when the PCB, management and coaching was under their control. They for me are totally to blame for this horror show, yet they seem to want to shift the blame on others. Absolutely shocking!

-Waqar and Misbah using their new found power post Mickey Arthur to implement weird, double standards in selection and player availability to create extreme rifts amongst players and fans

+the pointless witch hunt against Sarfaraz and his illogical sacking as the T20 captain at least.

+CLEAR favouritism towards certain players in order to remove and discard others. Playing serious players out of their positions to make mediocre players somehow survive at international level

+Not completing their tenure as coaches on the eve of a tournament in order to avoid the blame if the team fails at the World Cup. Definition of cowardice

The less said about Ramiz the better…

-Took Pakistan cricket back into the 80s when the captain was supposedly everything, yet he didn’t realise that his captain (Babar Azam) doesn’t have 1/10th of the character, brain and Charisma as his idol Imran Khan.

-wasn’t willing to listen to any criticism of his captain and his timid style of play whilst oppositions were continuously making a mockery of Pakistan cricket in their own backyard

-openly putting down players by saying that their career’s are over, whereas one of those players completely proved him wrong when he outscored everyone in the Test series against New Zealand

-Extreme, pointless vendetta against tainted players who have served their punishment and have gone on to represent Pakistan after learning from their mistakes in a harsh way.

These three individuals have played a HUGE role in shaping up this pathetic cricket team today. I believe they deserve ZERO sympathy and respect, and should not be absolved of the great disservice they have delivered to Pakistan in the past 4 years because of their own personal agendas and grudges towards current and ex players.
 
I would like to further add,

Ramiz delivered one of those nonsense monologues about the system not being correct for Babar to not perform as a captain the way that he likes…

Absolute Horse B…..x

You can all hate Sethi and Zaka all that you like due to their political ties not being in line with yours, but one thing they didn’t do is interfere in Babar’s selection policies and the team that he would have liked to build up for the World Cup 2023

Zaka on the eve of the World Cup and due to his fresh appointment wisely did not make ANY drastic changes in Babar’s plans and offered to give him as much support that he needs for his vision to be implemented. This is an undeniable fact! Babar Azam’s power and selection has been unchecked for a long, long time now!

So Ramiz, only try and fool those who are looking for reasons to take digs at the current political regimes….not the true fans of cricket.
 
To be fair, Misbah made umpteen stupid mistakes, but he did do one good thing.

He replaced Sarfraz Ahmed with Mohammad Rizwan.
The single most devastating mistake in Pakistan cricket history
 
Neither Misbah or Waqar should be involved with the national team.

We need Ramiz back as chairman though. He delivered a massive wake up call to a billion dollar side and is still to cash the blank cheque available to him.

We need Rambo back.
 
Neither Misbah or Waqar should be involved with the national team.

We need Ramiz back as chairman though. He delivered a massive wake up call to a billion dollar side and is still to cash the blank cheque available to him.

We need Rambo back.

If Ramiz comes back, he’ll keep Babar as captain and continue to give him all the authority he needs because he believes what worked for Imran Khan will also work for him.

Ramiz made a good call to kick out Misbah and Waqar. I’ll give him credit for that.
 
If Ramiz comes back, he’ll keep Babar as captain and continue to give him all the authority he needs because he believes what worked for Imran Khan will also work for him.

Ramiz made a good call to kick out Misbah and Waqar. I’ll give him credit for that.
Success has many father's, failure has none.

Babar a year ago was the hot ticket item in Pakistan. Everybody was scared to criticise him, those that did, very quickly were brought to their knees.

However his stock has fallen considerably. Apart from his own father no serious person would keep him as captain.

Even Misbah realised this, he like many others has been a fan of Babar but realised that he was too stubborn to listen to ANY criticism.

I know Pakistani politics. Any new chairman will dump Babar. Its a low hanging fruit. Ramiz would be no different.
 
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