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How on earth did Pakistan lose the 4th ODI to Australia?
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Haris sohail majorily and Rizwan also cost pakistan match
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Poor batting plan, its as simple as that. Abid Ali & Rizwan, even though batted well, really slowed their innings down to get their 100s. Individual milestone were bigger than team today.
Haris Sohail played a terrible selfish innings. He is also to blame.
Haris Sohail played a terrible selfish innings. He is also to blame.
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Pakistan's "think-tank". You're sending in Yasir at 8 and seriously expecting to close out matches against Australia?
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Pakistan were still cruising. Infact we require 58 in last 9 overs with 8 wickets in hand.
Haris played bad as does Shan but cant say he was selfish.
There was only 1 player who was selfish. Hint: he was celebrating his century as if he he won the match.
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Match ke mujrim ---> 
It's easy if you can see: When players play for personal milestones, teams lose. That's the reason I used to criticize Misbah too. Rizwan could have scored big shots instead of taking singles in the 90s but he was too much focussed on increasing one hundred against australia. He celebrated it too, like winning isn't something he had on his mind first.
Hussain Talat is another such from this lot. This behavior was also visible in Test series, when Pakistani players scored 40-50 for their place in team, instead of batting with patience and effort to bat long.
Hussain Talat is another such from this lot. This behavior was also visible in Test series, when Pakistani players scored 40-50 for their place in team, instead of batting with patience and effort to bat long.
Couldn't have said better myself. Can't see why someone legend as Saj fails to see this.
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Poor innings from Haris, but we recovered from that.
Later on, horrible by Umar Akmal and Imad.
I thought Abid's dismissal was a bit disappointing as well. That was a very low percentage shot and he was likely to get out the moment he played it. Tiredness, perhaps, but our top order bats need to show more hunger to finish games. Specially in UAE, where new batsmen often struggle to go after the bowling. Nevertheless, he played a top knock and the others should have finished off the match.
Later on, horrible by Umar Akmal and Imad.
I thought Abid's dismissal was a bit disappointing as well. That was a very low percentage shot and he was likely to get out the moment he played it. Tiredness, perhaps, but our top order bats need to show more hunger to finish games. Specially in UAE, where new batsmen often struggle to go after the bowling. Nevertheless, he played a top knock and the others should have finished off the match.
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Both the centurion makers slowed down near their centuries.
After their centuries, they thought job done.
The aim is NOT to score a century, but to WIN the game.
Especially when you have Umar Akmal, Saad Ali and Imad and tailenders coming after you.
After their centuries, they thought job done.
The aim is NOT to score a century, but to WIN the game.
Especially when you have Umar Akmal, Saad Ali and Imad and tailenders coming after you.
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Inexperience?
you can see from the eyes of both Hussain Talat and Rizwan that these guys are selfish
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You can make your point without manufacturing lies.
Rizwan didn't celebrate his hundred exuberently as if he had won the match. He didn't take his helmet off and neither did he applaud the crowd (I mean the empty seats) properly. He only gave a brief signal to the dressing room and just raised his bat for a couple of seconds.
He should have done better in the last 5 overs, but he still scored his century at a 100+ SR. The real culprit was Haris who played a pathetic innings, and also Umar.
After Rizwan convincingly outperformed Sarfaraz, you have been forced to drive home the "but Rizwan is selfish and Sarfraz is selfless" narrative to deflect attention from the fact that he has done more in one series than Sarfaraz in two years.
You are better than a troll. Don't stoop to that level.
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Thing is if he had closed the match for Pakistan even without the century, people would be heralding him even more. It's been pretty rare that someone's scored a large score down the order at a good SR to clinch the match. Especially when he came in, Pakistan were batting slow.
Why I'm not convinced he was being selfish. It was just typical Pakistan batting plan, the guy who's in on a high score focus on staying in, guys new to the crease hit out and get the score. It didn't work, so we lost.
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Lol Rizwan should be blamed
Umar Akmal, Saad and Imad scored 15 runs in 26 balls isn't blamed and also Haris's moronic innings
Umar Akmal, Saad and Imad scored 15 runs in 26 balls isn't blamed and also Haris's moronic innings
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Apart from personal milestones, the chasing philosophy is screwed up, India and the Big 5 look to finish the game by the 48th over, they never take it to the final over but Pakistan has still not got on with the times. We also don't have reliable six hitters from ball one who can hit the ball to all parts of the ground, this weakness has cost us god knows how many matches in the last 10 years.
Pakistan is not taking six hitting seriously in domestic cricket and the academies. England hired a baseball coach to fix their ODI batting and six hitting problems and it has worked dividends.
Pakistan is not taking six hitting seriously in domestic cricket and the academies. England hired a baseball coach to fix their ODI batting and six hitting problems and it has worked dividends.
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Lower order failed. Saad Ali, Umar Akmal and Imad couldn't capitalize. Add to that, our tail is unusually long.
That's why it's important to have good team selection. Having Zafar Gohar instead of Yasir Shah would've meant that you're chasing less runs, and also have a stronger batting lineup.
That's why it's important to have good team selection. Having Zafar Gohar instead of Yasir Shah would've meant that you're chasing less runs, and also have a stronger batting lineup.
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I don't agree with blaming Rizwan. From 80-90, he took 11 balls. From 90-100, he took 7 balls.
He was trying to play percentage shots to get the runs which was the right approach. If the others played their part, we would've won. He doesn't have the game to hit big shots, hitting big shots means he would've thrown his wicket away, and Yasir was at #8 today.
I also don't think he celebrated his hundred that exuberantly. Just waved his bat to acknowledge the applause, no taking off the helmet, jumping around or sajda. He knew there was a match to be won.
He was trying to play percentage shots to get the runs which was the right approach. If the others played their part, we would've won. He doesn't have the game to hit big shots, hitting big shots means he would've thrown his wicket away, and Yasir was at #8 today.
I also don't think he celebrated his hundred that exuberantly. Just waved his bat to acknowledge the applause, no taking off the helmet, jumping around or sajda. He knew there was a match to be won.
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Finally a sane post.
not sure who you talking about but my problem is with UA. For the longest time people are failed to see that its not only about getting ball on the bat, you need to construct an innings which UA can never do in a million years.
Seeing him from the day he debut, he should stop dreaming about playing for pakistan and play in those mickey mouse T20 cricket where he can slog n make an impact with his 20-30 and an occasional 50. Enough with the garbage our selectors and cricket experts keep forgetting how he bottled crucial games for pakistan
Look at Maxwell he was in high 90's and going for dangerous 2's and slogging blindlessly and see Rizwan he was more interested in his century than winning match for Pakistan. I seriously have doubt in team culture. players dont have any interest in winning. Pakistan will soon become minnows if this approach continue like that. These players currently playing for Pakistan dont have any passion to win instead they perform to get leagues contracts. If Pakistan wants to become top team the team culture needs to change. On players performances we dont have any single match winner in team. Also why on earth they tried TTF Umar akmal he never improves look at his shot to get out. Leg side slog on the ball which was way out side off stump and he was never set at that time. Also we all know we didnt have any proper batsman in the team who can take calculated risk. All batsmen are of same style even people were asking for Asif Ali he is just a brainless slogger. Absolutely no hope in worldcup again.
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Apart from Umar Akmal, who has the six hitting shots. Mickey Arthur talks a good talk about playing an aggressive modern brand of cricket but why is the team filled with accumulators 80-90% of the times?
Mickey just talks
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This is easy to explain...
Yasir is useless and shouldn’t have been in the side let alone batting at 8.
Shadab is a far superior ODI bowler and batsmen and his ceiling is electric too..
Hasan Ali bats at ten and he can smack a few too...
Faheem is an extremely useful bowler and can also hit a few when the stars are aligned...
That’s three lower order batsmen gone and replaced with bunnies...
Then you look at the top order.. Suhail might be a solid batsmen but he not a patch on Barbar Azam.
Umar Akmal is Umar Akmal and should never have been selected. Shadab may not have Akmal’s array of strokes but even he is on par just because of his game awareness...
We were always going to do poorly with these selections..
Yasir is useless and shouldn’t have been in the side let alone batting at 8.
Shadab is a far superior ODI bowler and batsmen and his ceiling is electric too..
Hasan Ali bats at ten and he can smack a few too...
Faheem is an extremely useful bowler and can also hit a few when the stars are aligned...
That’s three lower order batsmen gone and replaced with bunnies...
Then you look at the top order.. Suhail might be a solid batsmen but he not a patch on Barbar Azam.
Umar Akmal is Umar Akmal and should never have been selected. Shadab may not have Akmal’s array of strokes but even he is on par just because of his game awareness...
We were always going to do poorly with these selections..
huh Mickey was supposed to make Faheem klusner HAHAHAHA Faheem neither can bat or bowl now. You make a player if he is half decent all Mickey, Azhar,Flower have done is destroy players. #GOMICKEYGO
I agree with what you said. But when a batsman is batting during a chase and 8 an over is required, 20 off 18 balls isn't enough. He should have kept the strike with him & scored the runs at the required rate. He did play a solid innings, but for himself. Others may disagree, but I also find the innings by Saad to be selfish as well i.e. 7 off 12 balls
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Who cares when a couple of guys got their centuries including a debutant. There’s no victory like a moral victory, right?
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We don't have the personnel. Asif Ali was tried but he didn't avail his chances.
Regardless, six hitting was not required here. The equation was 60 off 53 when Abid got out. Six hitters rarely work in UAE unless they have a well-rounded game, hitting from ball 1 is not easy. Even Maxwell has taken some time to get going.
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It's the opposition - Australia . Pakistan have had a serious mental block against them for 2 decades .
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Also hate to say it but Hafeez is about a billion times better batting at 5 or 6 then Akmal, even st this age...
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Rizwan did his job. Umar Akmal and Haris Sohial were pathetic. Umar Akmal clearly has no brains. He should have played himself in. Haris Sohail should have shown more intent.
Umar Akmal, Asif ali Sohaib type of players all belong to same category brainless sloggers they can on the day can score 60-70 fast runs but most of the time they will fail. Look at how Maxwell slogged calculated slogs keeping in mind where the 5 fielders are in boundary so even miss hit can go to vacant areas.
Maxwell shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph while talking about tested selfish losers
Pakistan have lacked a lower order finisher since Abdul Razzaq and even he was hit and miss.
We've lost many chases like this in recent years - we need someone who can strike the ball from the off and hit a winning 40 from 30.
Umar Akmal doesn't have the brain for it. Asif Ali cannot seem to concentrate for long enough. Faheem and Shadab are rubbish. Maybe Imad can do it but he failed today. I think our best option for the WC is Hafeez if he can swallow his ego and accept batting in lower order.
We've lost many chases like this in recent years - we need someone who can strike the ball from the off and hit a winning 40 from 30.
Umar Akmal doesn't have the brain for it. Asif Ali cannot seem to concentrate for long enough. Faheem and Shadab are rubbish. Maybe Imad can do it but he failed today. I think our best option for the WC is Hafeez if he can swallow his ego and accept batting in lower order.
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We’re basically mental midgets chasing anything against anyone. I can’t believe we ended up panicking and throwing away wickets when in cruise control. Well, actually I can believe it.
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With enough determination and resilience you can achieve anything and we are obviously the most determined and resilient nation.
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Par for the course mate especially with the team/squad available
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That's clever and dry humor.
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On this occasion, a finisher wasn’t even required just needed to keep going but the thought of winning the match made us self destruct. Abid Ali should have kept going instead of trying to hit the big shot.
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Lessons learnt from Australia ODI series:
1. Pakistan's 'B' team is pretty bad. Not that first team is setting the world on fire.
2. This tour should take the following out of Pakistan's reckoning:
a. Umar Akmal
b. Shoaib Malik (although it won't.)
c. Shan Masood
d. Yasir Shah (although it won't.)
e. Amir (although it won't.)
f. Shinwari (although it won't.)
3. Inzamam has truly been found out - having not given chances to domestic scorers because of nepostism, lack of hard work and incompetence - all rolled into one. Needs to go after World Cup.
4. Mickey - on last legs. He looks bereft of ideas. His team's attitude is in shambles. Not just in lack of skills but also lack of intensity. Fielding is a big example.
5. First team players will heave a big sigh of relief. Apart from one or two distant possibilities, their jobs are safe.
All this points to a potential Pakistan good showing at the world cup - because this is how generally the country rolls. But it shouldn't make things any easier for Inzi and Mickey.
1. Pakistan's 'B' team is pretty bad. Not that first team is setting the world on fire.
2. This tour should take the following out of Pakistan's reckoning:
a. Umar Akmal
b. Shoaib Malik (although it won't.)
c. Shan Masood
d. Yasir Shah (although it won't.)
e. Amir (although it won't.)
f. Shinwari (although it won't.)
3. Inzamam has truly been found out - having not given chances to domestic scorers because of nepostism, lack of hard work and incompetence - all rolled into one. Needs to go after World Cup.
4. Mickey - on last legs. He looks bereft of ideas. His team's attitude is in shambles. Not just in lack of skills but also lack of intensity. Fielding is a big example.
5. First team players will heave a big sigh of relief. Apart from one or two distant possibilities, their jobs are safe.
All this points to a potential Pakistan good showing at the world cup - because this is how generally the country rolls. But it shouldn't make things any easier for Inzi and Mickey.
True they should've finished the game but I won't be too harsh on the debutant - let's be honest getting 60 off 53 is a cakewalk for the top 5 teams.
The game was perfectly set up but we still choked. This is exactly why we're 6th and haven't beaten a top ODI side in a bilateral in ages.
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Imad is the only one who can do it, he couldn't today, but that happens at times. But he has proved in the past that he is one of the few reliable finishers of the innings for us.
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Ok, then whose bright idea was it to take the chase down to the last over, the likes of India and the Big 5 teams look to finish the game by the 48th over. Our players have simply not move on with the times.
I don't buy the excuse of not have personnel, you find them and fit them in the squad. Imad Wasim is certainly not that player. When you need 24 of 2 overs, you need to hit a few sixes to ease the pressure.
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Umar Akmal's stupid batting went for a needless shot against the best opposition bowler (that was the turning point).
Sending Saad Ali ahead of Imad Wasim at a crucial stage. (Saad Ali was on Debut he played with caution)
Mohd Rizwan's inability to finish it. He lacks ability to hit big in final overs.
Malik is still the best at this, which is saying something
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When can we find a batsmen from domestics who actually has won it for the team many times while chasing...Aka like a Kohli or at least a Razzaq?
I don't think we have such a batsmen as each one plays for his hundred and then gets out....
I don't think we have such a batsmen as each one plays for his hundred and then gets out....
You spoke my heart.Rizwaan was honest trier and i did not see him slowing for century but it was his capacity,HAris saaad,umar and Imad were poor and cost us the match.
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If it was only that easy to find a Kohli...
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Abid said they were aiming to finish 1-2 overs early.
The point is that it shouldn't have gotten to 20 off 2 overs. With a batsman who lacks hitting ability at one end, and a new batsman at the other end, it's really tough.
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Btw thi is not the first instance where Rizwan has showed selfishness. The way he treated Saud Shakeel pathetically by bringing him up at 4 while Saad Ali and Saud batted at 6/7 showed some hint of selfish genes. Just so that he score some runs and get selected to the National side while poor Saud who was in great form had to bat in lower middle order.
Still i think he is not as bad as Shehzad when it comes to selfishness and hopefully will realize now that team comes first.
Still i think he is not as bad as Shehzad when it comes to selfishness and hopefully will realize now that team comes first.
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Or even a proper Razzaq would do...
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I think Saud Shakeel should have been tried here as well to know of his abilities at the international level..Saad Ali looked out of sorts
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There was a time i was a big fan of Umar Akmal when he came to the international scene. I felt he was miles ahead of Virat Kohli in terms of timing and ease of playing shots. He has disappointed me big time. I was not sold as a Virat fan but slowly and slowly he won me over. Virat kept his head down, worked on his fitness, technique and mental toughness and became the King Kohli. Its too late for Umar now. He plays like a hack. Has no genuine confidence to take the game till the end, hits and gets out under pressure. Minnow mentality.
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I will also like to add, had Pakistan been paying their full strength team they still would had lost.
The problem is obvious, we dont have a finisher or a proper striker at the lower order.
MIckey had the chance of trying Iftikhar Ahmed or giving Asif Ali a final chance.
Both are good finishers.
Instead they go for Umar Akmal giving him his 300th final chance.
The problem is obvious, we dont have a finisher or a proper striker at the lower order.
MIckey had the chance of trying Iftikhar Ahmed or giving Asif Ali a final chance.
Both are good finishers.
Instead they go for Umar Akmal giving him his 300th final chance.
Guys like Dhoni and Bevan would finish games like this in their sleep - 60 off 53 should be a doddle in this day and age.
Now I'm not saying we have a Dhoni or Bevan in our setup but we're desperately lacking a finisher who can hit 40 off 30 in these situations. Heck, even Mohammad Hafeez will suffice and he MUST bat at 6 in the World Cup.
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God bless Pakistan. Just when the fans think they've seen it all.
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Hafeez is another mental midget, the only reason he scored in the CT final was primarily because we were batting first with platform laid. Hafeez is one of the first to fold under pressure.
Tbh, Hafeez has shown mental toughness recently when he played a few clutch knocks coming down the order. He's way better than the trash we currently have.
I'm not saying he's a long term option and I don't want him staying beyond the WC (which being realistic he'll be selected for).
However at 6 he could have some utility at the WC coming in with just 10-15 overs to go when he's forced to score at a high SR. He can hit the ball cleanly when in his zone.
He played the finisher's role well in Port Elizabeth v South Africa chasing 260 plus.
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Crucial knock in the final helping us to a good total - Complain
If he had gotten a 7(10) -- Even more complaining that he bottled it.
Give credit where credit is due.
Majority of our players are bottlers, even the greats in the past...
Hafeez is one of our best batsmen currently.
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You guys need to relax. How on earth can you blame Rizwan? During whole innings he batted with intent. Abid made his debut and the pressure must have beem huge on him. A failure here and he might had never played for Pak again. Umar Akmal is a TTF and should have batted at 7 as he can only bat for 8 deliveries on average.
Imad should have taken the charge and come in once Abid got out.
Basically it never should have come to 22 of 12...
Any ways the bigger picture is the WC and Rizwan has proven he can easily replace Malik in the playing 11. Rizwan can dominate the spinners/ milk them in the middle overs. We dont need Malik and Hafeez at the WC.
The bowling in ENG and in those conditions will be at its best and hopefully by having a lengthy preparation the batsmen will adjust in the UK.
Imad should have taken the charge and come in once Abid got out.
Basically it never should have come to 22 of 12...
Any ways the bigger picture is the WC and Rizwan has proven he can easily replace Malik in the playing 11. Rizwan can dominate the spinners/ milk them in the middle overs. We dont need Malik and Hafeez at the WC.
The bowling in ENG and in those conditions will be at its best and hopefully by having a lengthy preparation the batsmen will adjust in the UK.
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I'm more angry with this loss than I was for any of the losses when the series was alive. How did we manage to lose after that partnership between Rizwan and Abid Ali.
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Abid Ali played a rather irresponsible slog.
This is what seperates a good player from a great player. Great players finish the job.
This is what seperates a good player from a great player. Great players finish the job.
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Rizwan himself was architect behind the loss.
I watched only last 7 overs and at no point of time (except 2nd last over after he got his century) it seemed like he was trying to win. He was taking singles and the run rate was going up. Lmaoo
And no i wont blame new batsmen much as its difficult to come under pressure and score right away plus one was debutant. They get their due share of criticism but Rizwan was the main culprit.
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He was finished at that point, clearly had no energy to continue.
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These guys need to get fitter, it's not like he was batting on 212.
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This isn't the match to blame Abid Ali/Mohammad Rizwan.
If your middle order can't chase from that position, they're to blame. That's horrible batting.
If your middle order can't chase from that position, they're to blame. That's horrible batting.
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Because we are minnows.
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Disagree a lot with Mamoon, but this post is SPOT ON.
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Just when you think its all good we snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.. I am a seasoned follower & believe me it took a while to sink this one in but as Nasser said.. one minute up next... few months down
but I still believe 
... Abid gives me hope too 
but I still believe ... Abid gives me hope too 
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Because Pakistan is a mediocre ODI team.
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