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Pakistan is obviously deep in trouble at 97-8 in response to Australia's 429 all out at Brisbane.

But I actually think today was pretty even. It was yesterday when Pakistan lost the Test - not today.

On Day 2:
Australia was 141-7 in daylight.
Pakistan was 97-8 under lights.

It is important that Misbah and Mickey Arthur get the team to understand that that isn't so terrible. And that batting is always harder in the first hour under lights.

It's absurdly simplistic for people to talk about scoring rates. The problems are actually much, much deeper.

And by the same token, the solutions are not to be found in this squad.

My current problem list is:

1. Batsmen are playing shots outside offstump which are foolish.
2. Younis and Misbah are too old to succeed in Australia.
3. Asad Shafiq has lost it mentally, and needs a break from Test cricket.
4. The third seamer - Rahat Ali - has lost his action.
5. The right-arm quicks in the squad are not good enough.
6. There is no fourth seamer option who can bat at 7 below Sarfraz.
7. Three left-arm quicks was fine against the left-handers, but the damaging partnerships were Smith-Handscomb and Bird-Lyon who are right-handers.
8. Sami Aslam has a dangerous, potentially life-threatening, vulnerability to short-pitched bowling.

It is crucial that we understand that there are no solutions, no answers, in the selected squad.

Sharjeel Khan is not selectable because his off-side game is even worse. He can cut, but has never had any off-side strokes for full deliveries.

Mohammad Rizwan showed in NZ that he struggles outside off-stump too.

I have often seen Pakistan improve with reinforcements in Australia.

Imran Khan and Sarfraz Nawaz stopped the losing trend in 1983-84. Salim Malik strengthened the team in 1995-96.

And Mike Denness dropping himself strengthened England in 1974-75.

We all saw today that Father Time has made Younis and Misbah into liabilities in Australian conditions, and that youngsters like Sami Aslam and Babar Azam offer more, even Sarfraz Ahmed and Mohammad Amir offer more with the bat.

The best thing that Misbah and Younis could do is make themselves unavailable for the last two Tests. Batting reinforcements would hugely strengthen this team: Salman Butt averages 42 in Australia and Umar Akmal averages 33. Even at their career averages in Australia, the score would be 168-8 instead of 97-8. Or more likely, it would be 110-4.

If Misbah and Younis don't declare themselves unavailable, then Misbah needs to tell Younis that after 11 failures in 12 innings outside Asia since mid-July he is dropped. No team can carry such a consistently hopeless Number 4, but his advanced age also means that this is not a "form is temporary, class is permanent" situation but rather a "time waits for no man" one.

The failure to drop Younis Khan is starting to move from being "quaintly loyal" to "cowardly and unprofessional." Shafiq is playing just as badly, but at least he will return to form and to the team at some point in the future. Younis is just too old to improve now.

Only one currently active Pakistan batsman has a fluent enough offside game to succeed in Australia, and that's Salman Butt. Ideally he would open with Sami, with Azhar dropping to 3, Babar dropping to 4 in place of Younis and Umar Akmal replacing Shafiq at 6 if Misbah won't fall on his sword.

With Younis finished by age and Shafiq mentally disintegrated, Salman Butt and Umar Akmal strengthen this batting line-up immeasurably in Australian conditions.

In terms of the bowling, a right-armer must replace Rahat Ali. I agree with Arthur and Misbah's conclusion that Sohail Khan and Imran Khan are unselectable. I would call up Mohammad Asif, and if that is deemed impossible I'd call up Hasan Ali.

Australia has lost 5 of its last 6 Tests since July. And their performance on Day 2 was barely better than Pakistan's.

Pakistan can fight back. But they need to understand that the weapons they require are not currently in this squad.
 
Match is already lost. No two opinions about it. Talk about the next match.
 
There is hardly anything that can be done to stop a 3-0 thrashing by Australia. The gap between the two teams in terms of bowling and catching is massive. Even OZ batting looks better than Pakistan's. I'm sorry but this is going to be a painful tour.
 
You know things are bad, when a score of 97/8 and a deficit of 332 is labelled as "not so bad" :afridi
 
*Meanwhile in a practice somewhere in Australia*

"Hello doctor thanks for seeing me at such notice. It's just....my wife left me, my kids are in college, my career is going nowhere...I've been turning to alcohol to ease the pain every night, I wake up not wanting to get out of bed in the morning. What should I do doc please I'm on my last legs here!!"

Junaids: "I know just the people to help you!"

*presses button under desk, book shelf reclines revealing a small space where Salman Butt and Mohammed Asif walk out from*

Junaids: These guys have solved every case I've treated! Depression??? Asif bowling should do the trick! Anxiety?? Salman Butt is the answer! The imminent feeling of leading a meaningless existence?? Asif and Butt to the rescue!!

Patient: But doctor these guys are just Pakistani crick

Junaids: Mohammed Asif took the best bowling figures in the first innings of the QEA Trophy Final in conditions exactly like the Gabba. Salman Butt possess an off-side game unmatched by Pakistani openers. Besides look at these credentials!! Now off you go

*pushes patient out the door with the two players*
 
Match is already lost. No two opinions about it. Talk about the next match.

I am. That's what this thread is.

I'm making clear that Younis and Shafiq have to be dropped and replaced by Salman Butt and Umar Akmal.

And that either Mohammad Asif replaces Rahat Ali or Hasan Ali does.

Not Sharjeel.
Not Rizwan.
Not Imran Khan.
Not Sohail Khan.
 
Match is already lost. No two opinions about it. Talk about the next match.

The only way we can compete in the next match is if Rahat mysteriously gets 'injured' and Asif is flown in on emergency basis.

Also need to bench ATG Younis for some batsman who has done well in the recently concluded QeA trophy. My money would have been on Usman Salahuddin but at this point I would even take fixer Butt. Atleast you know that whoever replaces Younis will manage to survive more than 10 balls.
 
Pakistan is obviously deep in trouble at 97-8 in response to Australia's 429 all out at Brisbane.

But I actually think today was pretty even. It was yesterday when Pakistan lost the Test - not today.

On Day 2:
Australia was 141-7 in daylight.
Pakistan was 97-8 under lights.

You conveniently ignore the fact that the first 3 wickets are not the same as the last 3 wickets. With this kind of analysis you only end up fooling yourself.
 
Even OZ batting looks better than Pakistan's.


Even their bowlers look like they can probably bat better than Pakistan batsmen. Maybe their batsmen can bowl better as well. If you reversed their roles so batsmen bowled and bowlers went up the order it might be an interesting contest.
 
I am. That's what this thread is.

I'm making clear that Younis and Shafiq have to be dropped and replaced by Salman Butt and Umar Akmal.

And that either Mohammad Asif replaces Rahat Ali or Hasan Ali does.

Not Sharjeel.
Not Rizwan.
Not Imran Khan.
Not Sohail Khan.

Bash this poster all you want but younis Khan is a walking wicket and rahat Ali bowls a four ball every over.

Need to be dropped asap and anybody is an upgrade.
 
Only if you make 600 in your second innings, you can come back. Even after following on so bad you can win. Ask VVS and Dravid....

Great attitude from you. Not sure if Pakistan team has it....
 
Sohail Khan will probably replace Rahat in the next match unless something extraordinary happens in this test.
 
I am. That's what this thread is.

I'm making clear that Younis and Shafiq have to be dropped and replaced by Salman Butt and Umar Akmal.

And that either Mohammad Asif replaces Rahat Ali or Hasan Ali does.

Not Sharjeel.
Not Rizwan.
Not Imran Khan.
Not Sohail Khan.

I think Imran Khan might do okay out there to be honest. He bowls a consistent line and gets the ball to go off the seam. Even if he wasn't taking wickets at least he wouldn't be throwing in a dolly ball every over like Rahat Ali.
 
Even their bowlers look like they can probably bat better than Pakistan batsmen. Maybe their batsmen can bowl better as well. If you reversed their roles so batsmen bowled and bowlers went up the order it might be an interesting contest.

Don't worry though. Salman Butt, Umar Akmal and Mohammad Asif will magically enter the squad and give Australia a proper thrashing i n the next two tests :srini
 
*Meanwhile in a practice somewhere in Australia*

"Hello doctor thanks for seeing me at such notice. It's just....my wife left me, my kids are in college, my career is going nowhere...I've been turning to alcohol to ease the pain every night, I wake up not wanting to get out of bed in the morning. What should I do doc please I'm on my last legs here!!"

Junaids: "I know just the people to help you!"

*presses button under desk, book shelf reclines revealing a small space where Salman Butt and Mohammed Asif walk out from*

Junaids: These guys have solved every case I've treated! Depression??? Asif bowling should do the trick! Anxiety?? Salman Butt is the answer! The imminent feeling of leading a meaningless existence?? Asif and Butt to the rescue!!

Patient: But doctor these guys are just Pakistani crick

Junaids: Mohammed Asif took the best bowling figures in the first innings of the QEA Trophy Final in conditions exactly like the Gabba. Salman Butt possess an off-side game unmatched by Pakistani openers. Besides look at these credentials!! Now off you go

*pushes patient out the door with the two players*

I like it!

It's less than 24 hours since little WAPDA won the domestic First Class competition.

And it was Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif who won it.

The News of the World demanded them for the 2010 spotfixing sting because they were two of the best three players.

They still are.

But in Australian conditions they need Umar Akmal too.
 
The issues you pointed out are correct.

Except you missed that Azhar is also very susceptible against swing and pace. He's not any better than Sharjeel in such a situation, where Sharjeel can actually score and Azhar can't.

Also, of the batting solutions you gave, only Umar Akmal is good enough. Salman was an awfully hopeless failure outside Asia. You keep pointing out YK has failed X times in X innings outside Asia.

Well Mr. a surprise for you, Salman has failed in almost all his X innings outside Asia.

The only batsmen who are good enough to bat in Australia are Haris Sohail and Umar Akmal. No one else, I'm afraid.

Of the bowlers, you're right - Rahat, Imran Khan and Sohail are useless. Pak must call up Asif at ANY cost, if we want to win.

Hassan Ali is the 2nd best option, but there's a big gap between 1st (Asif) and 2nd.
 
I like it!

It's less than 24 hours since little WAPDA won the domestic First Class competition.

And it was Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif who won it.

The News of the World demanded them for the 2010 spotfixing sting because they were two of the best three players.

They still are.

But in Australian conditions they need Umar Akmal too.

News of the world demanded them because they are the most corruptible players

Stop rewriting history. If you say the same thing a thousand times it still doesn't become true

In Australian conditions they need an Umar Akmal who averaged 33 there when he was in the peak form of his career :))
 
We actually had the better of the day up until Babar Azam edged one to slip.

We wrapped Australia up after they looked set for 500+ and despite losing Azhar early, Aslam and Babar were looking good. Then Babar flashes at one outside off and all hell breaks loose.

Well I guess we were never going to win in Brisbane which is a fortress for Australia. We usually seem to get thrashed in the opening Test of an Australia tour anyway.

The key is how we bounce back. Melbourne and Sydney pitches probably will be flat and dry so the batsmen shouldn't have any reason not to improve drastically from their recent atrocious form. Replace Rahat with Sohail for the next match.
 
The issues you pointed out are correct.

Except you missed that Azhar is also very susceptible against swing and pace. He's not any better than Sharjeel in such a situation, where Sharjeel can actually score and Azhar can't.

Also, of the batting solutions you gave, only Umar Akmal is good enough. Salman was an awfully hopeless failure outside Asia. You keep pointing out YK has failed X times in X innings outside Asia.

Well Mr. a surprise for you, Salman has failed in almost all his X innings outside Asia.

The only batsmen who are good enough to bat in Australia are Haris Sohail and Umar Akmal. No one else, I'm afraid.

Of the bowlers, you're right - Rahat, Imran Khan and Sohail are useless. Pak must call up Asif at ANY cost, if we want to win.

Hassan Ali is the 2nd best option, but there's a big gap between 1st (Asif) and 2nd.

Except Salman Butt averaged 42 in six Tests in Australia.

We know his technique works here.
 
We actually had the better of the day up until Babar Azam edged one to slip.

We wrapped Australia up after they looked set for 500+ and despite losing Azhar early, Aslam and Babar were looking good. Then Babar flashes at one outside off and all hell breaks loose.

Well I guess we were never going to win in Brisbane which is a fortress for Australia. We usually seem to get thrashed in the opening Test of an Australia tour anyway.

The key is how we bounce back. Melbourne and Sydney pitches probably will be flat and dry so the batsmen shouldn't have any reason not to improve drastically from their recent atrocious form. Replace Rahat with Sohail for the next match.

Yeah, all started with Babar's pathetic fishing. :danish

At the end of the day, you really don't need to recall such memories of anguish. :danish
 
When you count 7/8 wickets for teams then tail of Aus is getting compared with top order of Pakistan here. You can't say that 1 wicket of Aus was equivalent of 1 wicket of Pakistan on 2nd day.
 
When you count 7/8 wickets for teams then tail of Aus is getting compared with top order of Pakistan here. You can't say that 1 wicket of Aus was equivalent of 1 wicket of Pakistan on 2nd day.
Okay.

Australia lost Smith, Handscomb, Maddinson and Wade, as well as Starc and Hazlewood, for 57 runs.
 
It just boggles the mind how Junaids expects players flown in emergency basis to do well and not have problems when players who have been doing well for the past couple of years cannot hack it in such conditions

It is just amazing how he reconciles the contradictions between the posts he makes in different threads
 
Surely there's no way back from here in this test match. They'd do well to avert an innings defeat. As for later in the series, the problem is that Australia will have recovered their confidence from five wins in a row across formats. Winning the series must be out of the question. I agree that it might be time to consider dropping Younis, however I would keep Misbah because I don't see anyone else who can captain the side. Also Shafiq can be axed, too, along with Rahat. Get three replacements in and win the toss in the next test, and Pakistan will at least have enough about them to not surrender like they did in this test.

It amazes me how optimistic Junaids is for a doctor.

It's different kinds of doctors. Your kind, the medical sort, and dentists are most likely to be pessimists. Then there's Junaid's kind who are more optimistic. I'm fixing to be a doctor of philosophy, and we would be the most optimistic :))
 
It just boggles the mind how Junaids expects players flown in emergency basis to do well and not have problems when players who have been doing well for the past couple of years cannot hack it in such conditions

It is just amazing how he reconciles the contradictions between the posts he makes in different threads

Doing well on the UAE counts for nothing in Australia.

With Asad Shafiq mentally disintegrated, your only batsmen who can score outside off-stump are Salman Butt, Umar Akmal and Babar Azam.
 
Doing well on the UAE counts for nothing in Australia.

With Asad Shafiq mentally disintegrated, your only batsmen who can score outside off-stump are Salman Butt, Umar Akmal and Babar Azam.
Umar Akmal - the serial edge behind the stumps, is one of the best offstump batsmen ?
 
There is no guarantee that the players you want in the team will do well. But Rahat and Younis need replacing. Younis can't even get past 10 and Rahat can't even bowl 1 over without giving a loose ball. These 2 have to be replaced.
 
Okay.

Australia lost Smith, Handscomb, Maddinson and Wade, as well as Starc and Hazlewood, for 57 runs.

You started with entire day to make your argument and now you want to talk about some period where Aus lost most wickets. Clutching at straws here.
 
Sami out, Sharjeel in. We could afford two plodders opening for us if he had strokemakers from 4-6 but that's not the case. Yes, he judges his offstump well but at the end of the day he's there to score runs not play out balls.
 
Hate to say this but Akmals are better than weak minded Shafiq. Butt and Asif's inclusion will definitely strengthen the team.
 
Sami out, Sharjeel in. We could afford two plodders opening for us if he had strokemakers from 4-6 but that's not the case. Yes, he judges his offstump well but at the end of the day he's there to score runs not play out balls.

Better would be to drop ATG and move everyone up one slot having Sharjeel coming in at 6.
 
Well the more Butt, Asif and Umar sit out the more worthy they'll become. I think they'd rather prefer that, than to get selected and be exposed.
 
Only if you make 600 in your second innings, you can come back. Even after following on so bad you can win. Ask VVS and Dravid....

Great attitude from you. Not sure if Pakistan team has it....

They are not playing in India to score 600 runs in a comeback inning, then have the pitch become a square rank turner and pick up all 10 wickets from spinners in the 4th inning. This is being played in Australia. No funky stuff here.
 
Get close to the follow on but don't avoid it,hope australia take it and need to score big in the 2nd innings,in daylight it will be easier and with set batsmen you can avoid giving many wickets during nighplay especially if amir and sarfi play more than 10 overs tommorow morning so pak avoid batting against second new ball under lights.
 
Get close to the follow on but don't avoid it,hope australia take it and need to score big in the 2nd innings,in daylight it will be easier and with set batsmen you can avoid giving many wickets during nighplay especially if amir and sarfi play more than 10 overs tommorow morning so pak avoid batting against second new ball under lights.

We need another 133 runs to avoid the follow on.

Our first eight wickets scored 97 and you expect the other two to score 100 odd?
 
Get close to the follow on but don't avoid it,hope australia take it and need to score big in the 2nd innings,in daylight it will be easier and with set batsmen you can avoid giving many wickets during nighplay especially if amir and sarfi play more than 10 overs tommorow morning so pak avoid batting against second new ball under lights.

" get close but avoid follow on"...

Is Smith going to consult Misbah
 
The only way we can compete in the next match is if Rahat mysteriously gets 'injured' and Asif is flown in on emergency basis.

Also need to bench ATG Younis for some batsman who has done well in the recently concluded QeA trophy. My money would have been on Usman Salahuddin but at this point I would even take fixer Butt. Atleast you know that whoever replaces Younis will manage to survive more than 10 balls.

I couldn't understand, whom Pakistani players wanted to satisfy today by their second to none batting performance?
Australians? No.Probably they will demand return of ticket money of this match and possibly rest of the series.
Neutrals? No.Pakistanis don't play to satisfy neutrals.Information courtesy:Syed 1.
Pakistanis?No.People of the country of Miandad,Jahir,Yousuf,Injamam can't be satisfied by this.
So, Syed 1? Definitely yes.:djb
 
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Pakistan is obviously deep in trouble at 97-8 in response to Australia's 429 all out at Brisbane.

But I actually think today was pretty even. It was yesterday when Pakistan lost the Test - not today.

On Day 2:
Australia was 141-7 in daylight.
Pakistan was 97-8 under lights.

It is important that Misbah and Mickey Arthur get the team to understand that that isn't so terrible. And that batting is always harder in the first hour under lights.

It's absurdly simplistic for people to talk about scoring rates. The problems are actually much, much deeper.

And by the same token, the solutions are not to be found in this squad.

My current problem list is:

1. Batsmen are playing shots outside offstump which are foolish.
2. Younis and Misbah are too old to succeed in Australia.
3. Asad Shafiq has lost it mentally, and needs a break from Test cricket.
4. The third seamer - Rahat Ali - has lost his action.
5. The right-arm quicks in the squad are not good enough.
6. There is no fourth seamer option who can bat at 7 below Sarfraz.
7. Three left-arm quicks was fine against the left-handers, but the damaging partnerships were Smith-Handscomb and Bird-Lyon who are right-handers.
8. Sami Aslam has a dangerous, potentially life-threatening, vulnerability to short-pitched bowling.

It is crucial that we understand that there are no solutions, no answers, in the selected squad.

Sharjeel Khan is not selectable because his off-side game is even worse. He can cut, but has never had any off-side strokes for full deliveries.

Mohammad Rizwan showed in NZ that he struggles outside off-stump too.

I have often seen Pakistan improve with reinforcements in Australia.

Imran Khan and Sarfraz Nawaz stopped the losing trend in 1983-84. Salim Malik strengthened the team in 1995-96.

And Mike Denness dropping himself strengthened England in 1974-75.

We all saw today that Father Time has made Younis and Misbah into liabilities in Australian conditions, and that youngsters like Sami Aslam and Babar Azam offer more, even Sarfraz Ahmed and Mohammad Amir offer more with the bat.

The best thing that Misbah and Younis could do is make themselves unavailable for the last two Tests. Batting reinforcements would hugely strengthen this team: Salman Butt averages 42 in Australia and Umar Akmal averages 33. Even at their career averages in Australia, the score would be 168-8 instead of 97-8. Or more likely, it would be 110-4.

If Misbah and Younis don't declare themselves unavailable, then Misbah needs to tell Younis that after 11 failures in 12 innings outside Asia since mid-July he is dropped. No team can carry such a consistently hopeless Number 4, but his advanced age also means that this is not a "form is temporary, class is permanent" situation but rather a "time waits for no man" one.

The failure to drop Younis Khan is starting to move from being "quaintly loyal" to "cowardly and unprofessional." Shafiq is playing just as badly, but at least he will return to form and to the team at some point in the future. Younis is just too old to improve now.

Only one currently active Pakistan batsman has a fluent enough offside game to succeed in Australia, and that's Salman Butt. Ideally he would open with Sami, with Azhar dropping to 3, Babar dropping to 4 in place of Younis and Umar Akmal replacing Shafiq at 6 if Misbah won't fall on his sword.

With Younis finished by age and Shafiq mentally disintegrated, Salman Butt and Umar Akmal strengthen this batting line-up immeasurably in Australian conditions.

In terms of the bowling, a right-armer must replace Rahat Ali. I agree with Arthur and Misbah's conclusion that Sohail Khan and Imran Khan are unselectable. I would call up Mohammad Asif, and if that is deemed impossible I'd call up Hasan Ali.

Australia has lost 5 of its last 6 Tests since July. And their performance on Day 2 was barely better than Pakistan's.

Pakistan can fight back. But they need to understand that the weapons they require are not currently in this squad.

Misbah and Younis will not make themselves unavailable. Umar Akmal and the big bad Butt will not be picked mate.

You should try to alleviate the situation by making changes in terms of the squad we have in AUS. At the very least if changes are made, Sharjeel or Rizwan will come in for Shafiq at no.6 and Imran/Sohail will replace Rahat Ali.

Quiet frankly I don't believe in those squad replacements either! but I still believe Pakistan can win at leas 1 Test match on tour, we're acclimatising to the conditions at the moment. That's a shame because we much rather win the series! In the ideal world this would be my ideal line up:

Sami Aslam
Azhar Ali
Babar Azam
Younis Khan
Misbah ul Haq
Hammad Azam
Sarfraz Ahmed
Mohammad Amir
Yasir Shah
Wahab Riaz
Mohammad Asif
 
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We need another 133 runs to avoid the follow on.

Our first eight wickets scored 97 and you expect the other two to score 100 odd?
We are around 330 behind if we can get around 250-270 deficit it will be really good(amir-sarfraz parthnership is already around 30)after that lot depend on aussies taking follow on and pak need to score around aussie first innings score so they can give them a target around 150-200 which will be tricky batting last especially if they come to bat on day 4 under lights.
Of course it's unlikely and you need many things going your way like smith taking follow on ,pak being able to put a big score (but batting in daylight is far more easier and i don't expect everyone to fail like today) and bowlers being able to clean them off cheaply but you have nothing to lose from here.
 
There is no fight back. Pakistan is going to lose this test by an inning and 200 runs. The end series result will be 3-0 with Pakistan losing 2 matches by an inning.
 
I couldn't understand, whom Pakistani players wanted to satisfy today by their second to none batting performance?
Australians? No.Probably they will demand return of ticket money of this match and possibly rest of the series.
Neutrals? No.Pakistanis don't play to satisfy neutrals.Information courtesy:Syed 1.
Pakistanis?No.People of the country of Miandad,Jahir,Yousuf,Injamam can't be satisfied by this.
So, Syed 1? Definitely yes.:djb

Bhai I don't know what you wrote..

A handy trick is to first formulate the sentence in your mind before putting 'pen to paper'.
 
I am. That's what this thread is.

I'm making clear that Younis and Shafiq have to be dropped and replaced by Salman Butt and Umar Akmal.

And that either Mohammad Asif replaces Rahat Ali or Hasan Ali does.

Not Sharjeel.
Not Rizwan.
Not Imran Khan.
Not Sohail Khan.

What you are asking for is more difficult to do than to replace Nawaz Shrief.
 
It just boggles the mind how Junaids expects players flown in emergency basis to do well and not have problems when players who have been doing well for the past couple of years cannot hack it in such conditions

It is just amazing how he reconciles the contradictions between the posts he makes in different threads

I just fail to understand one. If the emergency players to be flown in were so good and sure to succeed ...then why did they not get selected in first place ???
And one bad collective batting failure in innings of a test series is very common ..nothing to press panic button . Is it?
 
We are around 330 behind if we can get around 250-270 deficit it will be really good(amir-sarfraz parthnership is already around 30)after that lot depend on aussies taking follow on and pak need to score around aussie first innings score so they can give them a target around 150-200 which will be tricky batting last especially if they come to bat on day 4 under lights.
Of course it's unlikely and you need many things going your way like smith taking follow on ,pak being able to put a big score (but batting in daylight is far more easier and i don't expect everyone to fail like today) and bowlers being able to clean them off cheaply but you have nothing to lose from here.

I like your optimism . However even a Kolkatta 2001 Dravid/Laxman type of innings may not be enough to save the match.
 
I just fail to understand one. If the emergency players to be flown in were so good and sure to succeed ...then why did they not get selected in first place ???
And one bad collective batting failure in innings of a test series is very common ..nothing to press panic button . Is it?

Pakistani batting has been collapsing for the last 6 innings.

The last innings of the Windies tour, the four innings in the NZ tour and the first innings in the Australia tour.

Still think there is no cause for panic?
 
If Australia enforces follow-on, we might not get to Sunday.
 
Everything was going good till you dismissed Imran Khan. He is our best Test fast bowler. Haters can't digest it, lol.
 
They are not playing in India to score 600 runs in a comeback inning, then have the pitch become a square rank turner and pick up all 10 wickets from spinners in the 4th inning. This is being played in Australia. No funky stuff here.

So in Australia its impossible to score 600? Its day 3, if they follow on and play their best cricket they should get 600. And on day 5 who knows, they might get OZ out.. Its close to impossible but this is the best chance to get a win in this test... Its like 0.00000000001% but still there is a chance bro.... You never lose until your last wicket is not out...
 
If this isn't bad then I wouldn't like to be around when they are.

However there is plenty of time to salvage some pride which is the best that can be hoped from this test.
 
Love the optimism and mentality. Much better than just moaning and giving up all the time. We can win this, just need to score 500 in the second innings. Nothing is impossible!!!!!
 
I agree, Axe Younis and Shafiq. Fly in Butt and Kamran Akmal (bat down the order) immediately and let them acclimatise. This will most certainly be a batting upgrade. I recently saw Kamran and at this stage and at this time I prefer him over his Brother for the next 2 Tests.

Umar Akmal may be better but I have not seen him bat recently.

Next is taking 20 wickets.

Rahat needs to be dropped
Wahab needs to be dropped

But I am not sure who from Pakistan needs to replace them.

Asif is clearly not going to last 5 days. Not sure but Junaid may be one option but then who else?

Aussies scored at a miserable runrate so the bowling kept them quiet (unusually for Australia). What this Pakistani attack needs is an Injection of Pace, Swing and Seam and who offers them in Pakistan?

Containment at Military Medium pace won't get you 20 wickets "cheaply" in Australia.


But Mickey et al may not be bold enough to make the changes and we may see Sohail and Imran in...Even if they do well that is not the long term answer...
 
So in Australia its impossible to score 600? Its day 3, if they follow on and play their best cricket they should get 600. And on day 5 who knows, they might get OZ out.. Its close to impossible but this is the best chance to get a win in this test... Its like 0.00000000001% but still there is a chance bro.... You never lose until your last wicket is not out...

Sir what you said might be true, but this is cricket not Russian Roulette. We are going to lose our two remaining wickets within the first hour on day 3. Aussies are going to enforce follow on and we will be dismissed again by the end of day 3 or early on day 4.
 
I just fail to understand one. If the emergency players to be flown in were so good and sure to succeed ...then why did they not get selected in first place ???
And one bad collective batting failure in innings of a test series is very common ..nothing to press panic button . Is it?
Why weren't Salman Butt, Mohammad Asif and Umar Akmal in the original squad?

1. The selectors were kidding themselves that batsmen and bowlers who had lost three Tests in a row in Sharjah, Christchurch and Hamilton were so good that they would move on to Australia and win.

2. At a high level in the PCB there has been an urge to punish Asif, Butt and the Akmals forever, and a failure to accept that Asif, Butt and Umar Akmal have good techniques for Australia, which is why they performed there in the past.

3. Inzi had a fairly poor record in Australia and in my opinion is not a sophisticated enough strategist to pick different squads for different conditions.

The Asif and Butt exclusions are becoming self-defeating. The combination of their stellar QEA Final performances and the predictable exposure of Dad's Army in Australia (anyone English knows that that is an affectionate nickname) just makes the return of Salman Butt so certain that he is starting to be the favourite to be the next captain.

That's the risk now for the PCB. In trying to exclude him, they may well be left with him as the only captaincy option.
 
If this isn't bad then I wouldn't like to be around when they are.

However there is plenty of time to salvage some pride which is the best that can be hoped from this test.
Better to be bundle out for 50 in the 2nd inning than playing just to "save some pride" atleast there is going to be some changes then.
 
Better to be bundle out for 50 in the 2nd inning than playing just to "save some pride" atleast there is going to be some changes then.

There aren't going to be any changes to the squad for this tour. Best bet is gaining some confidence going into the next couple of matches.
 
2. At a high level in the PCB there has been an urge to punish Asif, Butt and the Akmals forever, and a failure to accept that Asif, Butt and Umar Akmal have good techniques for Australia, which is why they performed there in the past.

Apparently, there're people in selection committee who have been playing dirty politics and blocking Butt and Asif' inclusion in the squad. However, those who do not want him might have to resign (or rather forced to) as there's tremendous pressure building on the board to include them.
 
Sir what you said might be true, but this is cricket not Russian Roulette. We are going to lose our two remaining wickets within the first hour on day 3. Aussies are going to enforce follow on and we will be dismissed again by the end of day 3 or early on day 4.

Dont think they will enforce the follow on. Personally believe they will look to wrap things up early tomorrow and then bat around 60 overs and add 200 or so runs. This then gives us an unlikely 500+ to chase and gives them an opportunity to bowl with the new ball under the lights and take some top order wickets before close.

However saying that, they may have a change of plans if they are concerned about the weather on day 4.
 
Sir what you said might be true, but this is cricket not Russian Roulette. We are going to lose our two remaining wickets within the first hour on day 3. Aussies are going to enforce follow on and we will be dismissed again by the end of day 3 or early on day 4.

I do agree with you. It is most likely thing. But noone predicted a win after Australia enforced a follow on vs India few years back. And you said it right its CRICKET not Russian Roulette. Things can change quickly than a Russian Roulette.

OP asked me how can Pakistan fight back and perhaps this is the only way. You have to score big in 2nd innings.
 
I do agree with you. It is most likely thing. But noone predicted a win after Australia enforced a follow on vs India few years back. And you said it right its CRICKET not Russian Roulette. Things can change quickly than a Russian Roulette.

OP asked me how can Pakistan fight back and perhaps this is the only way. You have to score big in 2nd innings.

The batsmen in the selected squad just don't have the offside low-risk scoring shots to succeed in Australia.

And the reserves - Sharjeel and Rizwan - are worse than the starting eleven.

The only active Pakistan batsmen with those offside shots are Babar Azam, Sarfraz, Umar Akmal and Salman Butt.

Yet they are trying to contest a Test series in Australia with two of the four viable serviceable batsmen at home!

The selectors need to be held to account.
 
I would play Sharjeel at 4 then. His game's too risky to bat at 6.
No 4 is for your best batsman, you want to put debutant and most risky at that spot 🤔

I would bring Rizwan and Sharjeel for YK and Shafiq. Move Misbah up and then Sharjeel, Rizwan... It's better for Sharjeel to bat when bowlers are tired and all is old so that he can cut and pull... New ball will move a bit, no point in putting Sharjeel informant of Greg Strac and HW in the very first match.

Pakistan will not dare to drop YK, unless Sami and Babar make big impact in second innings, one of them would be drop. I hope they both play long innings. Pakistan need players like them.

Although Sami is blocker, but he is very good one, he will develop shots, he has been playing in worst conditions against best bowlers and still able to see off new ball, that is no small feet. Debut in Edgebaston, played on wet green NZ, now night time GABBA.

Yesterday he played 100 balls and score 22 runs out of 29 overs, rest of Pakistan scored 35/5 in 55 balls, I would not dare to disturb Sami and Azhar, middle order is huge problem, YK and Shafiq who are getting out without facing many balls and that too with 25/40 overs old ball, every freaking time, why?? - it's not like we are 10/2 in 5 overs. 🙄
 
The batsmen in the selected squad just don't have the offside low-risk scoring shots to succeed in Australia.

And the reserves - Sharjeel and Rizwan - are worse than the starting eleven.

The only active Pakistan batsmen with those offside shots are Babar Azam, Sarfraz, Umar Akmal and Salman Butt.

Yet they are trying to contest a Test series in Australia with two of the four viable serviceable batsmen at home!

The selectors need to be held to account.

with all due respect, do you really think Butt can handle 145 kph at this stage in his career vs Starc and Hazlewood? Yes he did fairly decently against Aus in 04 but he was over a decade younger and mainly facing medium pace. (Brett Lee did not play in 04)

Six years later, he faced a decent Aussie attack but no one the caliber of Hazlewood or Starc. Johnson was too wayward then.

Sarfraz and Harris Sohail are the better players vs quicks that we have. Umar Akmal can play then quite well but he is brainless. And Azam does have a lot of potential.
 
No 4 is for your best batsman, you want to put debutant and most risky at that spot ��

I would bring Rizwan and Sharjeel for YK and Shafiq. Move Misbah up and then Sharjeel, Rizwan... It's better for Sharjeel to bat when bowlers are tired and all is old so that he can cut and pull... New ball will move a bit, no point in putting Sharjeel informant of Greg Strac and HW in the very first match.

Pakistan will not dare to drop YK, unless Sami and Babar make big impact in second innings, one of them would be drop. I hope they both play long innings. Pakistan need players like them.

Although Sami is blocker, but he is very good one, he will develop shots, he has been playing in worst conditions against best bowlers and still able to see off new ball, that is no small feet. Debut in Edgebaston, played on wet green NZ, now night time GABBA.

Yesterday he played 100 balls and score 22 runs out of 29 overs, rest of Pakistan scored 35/5 in 55 balls, I would not dare to disturb Sami and Azhar, middle order is huge problem, YK and Shafiq who are getting out without facing many balls and that too with 25/40 overs old ball, every freaking time, why?? - it's not like we are 10/2 in 5 overs. ��

Misbah is not good enough to bat at 4. Rather Sharjeel dash away up the order than at 6. If we had a strong top 5 then you can afford to play him at 6. Number 6 usually comes in a situation when the game is in the balance or to recover from a collapse, especially in our case. Sharjeel's game doesn't suit either situation.
 
with all due respect, do you really think Butt can handle 145 kph at this stage in his career vs Starc and Hazlewood? Yes he did fairly decently against Aus in 04 but he was over a decade younger and mainly facing medium pace. (Brett Lee did not play in 04)

Six years later, he faced a decent Aussie attack but no one the caliber of Hazlewood or Starc. Johnson was too wayward then.

Sarfraz and Harris Sohail are the better players vs quicks that we have. Umar Akmal can play then quite well but he is brainless. And Azam does have a lot of potential.

Mitchell Johnson was World Cricketer of the Year.

And in 2004-05 he did it against McGrath and Gillespie.
 
Didn't even bother reading the full post & knew that Salman butt, Asif & akmal would be proposed the magic pill to our problems. After hearing this, I think Judgement day is nearing
 
Now than : What is the possibility of Day 4 complete Washout ? What is rain prediction ?
 
Now than : What is the possibility of Day 4 complete Washout ? What is rain prediction ?
Zero.

There will be periods of rain, but the Gabba drains quickly.

I'm not going, but I reckon there will be at least 70 overs playable.
 
Unlucky smith is a unaustralian captain ,he kills the game for pak by not enforcing the follow on,will need a complete washout tommorow to have a slight chance of drawing this.
 
Unlucky smith is a unaustralian captain ,he kills the game for pak by not enforcing the follow on,will need a complete washout tommorow to have a slight chance of drawing this.

Smith could have been eyeing a easy century.
 
The batsmen in the selected squad just don't have the offside low-risk scoring shots to succeed in Australia.

And the reserves - Sharjeel and Rizwan - are worse than the starting eleven.

The only active Pakistan batsmen with those offside shots are Babar Azam, Sarfraz, Umar Akmal and Salman Butt.

Yet they are trying to contest a Test series in Australia with two of the four viable serviceable batsmen at home!

The selectors need to be held to account.

KAkmal and Hafeez have that too tbf.:31:
 
Unlucky smith is a unaustralian captain ,he kills the game for pak by not enforcing the follow on,will need a complete washout tommorow to have a slight chance of drawing this.

Not really unaustralian. Australia has avoided the follow on ever since Dravid and Laxman in Eden Gardens.
 
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