How rich is Malik Riaz?

[shah_1]

SC rejects Bahria Town's offer to deposit Rs250 billion to avoid NAB reference

https://www.dawn.com/news/1457710/sc-rejects-bahria-towns-offer-to-deposit-rs250-billion-to-avoid-nab-reference


He is willing to pay around $1.80 billion to dispose off the case He must be the biggest tax chor in the world

 

[Major]

lets just say, if you are murdered inside bahria town by a complete stranger, the news report wont come as a murder in Bahria town, but the outside city town that touches it, like Rawat.

Thing is, the guy has paid off reporters to not write anything against him or his product. And there are many journalist and news channels in this country.

The guy has done one thing good, kept his reputation clean. He pays off people the right people, he makes the right friends.

Hes our Pablo. But he is very cunning, the product he sell isn't illegal, and no matter how rich he is, he will never make the mistake of entering politics.

 

[shah_1]

lets just say, if you are murdered inside bahria town by a complete stranger, the news report wont come as a murder in Bahria town, but the outside city town that touches it, like Rawat.

Thing is, the guy has paid off reporters to not write anything against him or his product. And there are many journalist and news channels in this country.

The guy has done one thing good, kept his reputation clean. He pays off people the right people, he makes the right friends.

Hes our Pablo. But he is very cunning, the product he sell isn't illegal, and no matter how rich he is, he will never make the mistake of entering politics.

He is a tax evader.


I'm wondering so many like him understate the worth and pay less taxes. We need to reach 8 trillion rupees tax collection to have a chance of 8% growth. Target these people and make them pay taxes. We are only targeting small fishes

 

[shah_1]

This is actually peanut according to the judges. He has bought army generals, journalists and police.


Kitna loota hai goverment ko.

 

[Bewal Express]

lets just say, if you are murdered inside bahria town by a complete stranger, the news report wont come as a murder in Bahria town, but the outside city town that touches it, like Rawat.

Thing is, the guy has paid off reporters to not write anything against him or his product. And there are many journalist and news channels in this country.

The guy has done one thing good, kept his reputation clean. He pays off people the right people, he makes the right friends.

Hes our Pablo. But he is very cunning, the product he sell isn't illegal, and no matter how rich he is, he will never make the mistake of entering politics.

He is also a good friend of your favourite dynasty. He is the head of the mafia and the SC has only got the courage to go after him because IK is in power. Without IK, he would have offered nothing. All the other politicians have connived to steal off a poor country.

 

[yasir]

lets just say, if you are murdered inside bahria town by a complete stranger, the news report wont come as a murder in Bahria town, but the outside city town that touches it, like Rawat.

Thing is, the guy has paid off reporters to not write anything against him or his product. And there are many journalist and news channels in this country.

The guy has done one thing good, kept his reputation clean. He pays off people the right people, he makes the right friends.

Hes our Pablo. But he is very cunning, the product he sell isn't illegal, and no matter how rich he is, he will never make the mistake of entering politics.

This is taking it too far. Malik Raiz is the richest Pakistani, his business empire is pretty legit. I am not saying he has done everything legitimacy, but that is also true for 80% of all businessman around the country, this is only way to do business in the country unfortunately. But nobody else has created private sector housing society as Bharia Town in 70 years. Bharia Town is not a fad, people living their are happy with services and it has been running for 20+ years(in Pindi atleast).

He has got the Bharia Town's land cheaply and or illegally, but he added lot of value to that land. That land in Rawat was sitting there and doing nothing for decades and decades, if it was not for M Raiz, that land would have been doing just that now as well.

Another way to look at when Islamabad was made, Pakistan Govt and CDA got that land very cheaply from locals, but then they made city by pouring in lot of money. Same is true for all DHA projects, they buy land cheaply and stamp Army's name on it and guarantee security, add infrastructure, that multiple the value of land by many folds. Lot of that is tax payer money distributed freely and policies that are focusing on making Army elite, those things can be categorized as corruption of whole different level and has not served well for country in many ways.

Malik Raiz is using same model. He has delivered on the promise of Bharia Town that's why people buy it even now. He has to do that with his own money (I know land is cheap or illegal, but infrastructure and services are real). This is not unusual all across the world. Like many others (in rest of the world), he had advantage of been first. Many business done first time have advantage of big margins if you can pull it off. Challenge of pulling it off is not easy. Modern China is built on the cheap and illegal labor, which was needed by west and provided by China. There was something init for both. Similarly M Raiz town are not completely run down communities, most people are happy with the services they got in this part of the world. There was something init for them too.

Now if Pakistani Govt goes after Bharia town, and M Raiz so that they can make some extra money, that would not be fair. Its like BJP going after every Muslim property and town name and claiming it was build 400 years ago illegally. Now when Malik Raiz has made 1 Crore land 100 Crore in 20 years, you cannot take that away from him. You can fine him something illegal and move on. Focus on building right checks and balances for future. Otherwise big Banks in US should have not been bailed out by Govt, who all used loop holes and bad practices that caused great recession back in 2008. Pakistan has to create a business environment where its easy to do business, if you have bribe everybody, its not only businessman's fault. You have to fix your system first too. Its easy to dump everything on one guy.

 

[Syed1]

He is also a good friend of your favourite dynasty. He is the head of the mafia and the SC has only got the courage to go after him because IK is in power. Without IK, he would have offered nothing. All the other politicians have connived to steal off a poor country.

Baby Billoo travels on Bahria Town airplane.

 

[Syed1]

Imagine how much money he has such that $1.8b is disposable income for him.

 

[slipcatch]

This is taking it too far. Malik Raiz is the richest Pakistani, his business empire is pretty legit. I am not saying he has done everything legitimacy, but that is also true for 80% of all businessman around the country, this is only way to do business in the country unfortunately. But nobody else has created private sector housing society as Bharia Town in 70 years. Bharia Town is not a fad, people living their are happy with services and it has been running for 20+ years(in Pindi atleast).

He has got the Bharia Town's land cheaply and or illegally, but he added lot of value to that land. That land in Rawat was sitting there and doing nothing for decades and decades, if it was not for M Raiz, that land would have been doing just that now as well.

Another way to look at when Islamabad was made, Pakistan Govt and CDA got that land very cheaply from locals, but then they made city by pouring in lot of money. Same is true for all DHA projects, they buy land cheaply and stamp Army's name on it and guarantee security, add infrastructure, that multiple the value of land by many folds. Lot of that is tax payer money distributed freely and policies that are focusing on making Army elite, those things can be categorized as corruption of whole different level and has not served well for country in many ways.

Malik Raiz is using same model. He has delivered on the promise of Bharia Town that's why people buy it even now. He has to do that with his own money (I know land is cheap or illegal, but infrastructure and services are real). This is not unusual all across the world. Like many others (in rest of the world), he had advantage of been first. Many business done first time have advantage of big margins if you can pull it off. Challenge of pulling it off is not easy. Modern China is built on the cheap and illegal labor, which was needed by west and provided by China. There was something init for both. Similarly M Raiz town are not completely run down communities, most people are happy with the services they got in this part of the world. There was something init for them too.

Now if Pakistani Govt goes after Bharia town, and M Raiz so that they can make some extra money, that would not be fair. Its like BJP going after every Muslim property and town name and claiming it was build 400 years ago illegally. Now when Malik Raiz has made 1 Crore land 100 Crore in 20 years, you cannot take that away from him. You can fine him something illegal and move on. Focus on building right checks and balances for future. Otherwise big Banks in US should have not been bailed out by Govt, who all used loop holes and bad practices that caused great recession back in 2008. Pakistan has to create a business environment where its easy to do business, if you have bribe everybody, its not only businessman's fault. You have to fix your system first too. Its easy to dump everything on one guy.

What?

I logged into comment then I realize why waste time?

But I’d like to say this just because grabbing of land happen in the past doesn’t mean it should continue to.

 

[slipcatch]

Imagine how much money he has such that $1.8b is disposable income for him.

None of them will be comfortable in jail and they would pay any amount as long as they get to keep their business and stay out of jail.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Imagine how much money he has such that $1.8b is disposable income for him.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bahria has minted so much money off of dubious business practices that it is willing to pay almost 25% of the SBP's foreign exchanges reserves as a fine. Let that sink in folks! <a href="https://t.co/gAbmmiSiyf">https://t.co/gAbmmiSiyf</a></p>— Uzair Younus عُزیر یُونس (@UzairYounus) <a href="https://twitter.com/UzairYounus/status/1085186424125612033?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 15, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Angrez Pakistani]

One problem when judging ppl like MR is that our system does not allow legit businesses to prosper. So we should acknowledge the fact that there is need to make the economy fair and competitive for everyone.

 

[Bewal Express]

Baby Billoo travels on Bahria Town airplane.

What a surprise. One set of crooks in Cahoots with another.

 

[Bewal Express]

This is taking it too far. Malik Raiz is the richest Pakistani, his business empire is pretty legit. I am not saying he has done everything legitimacy, but that is also true for 80% of all businessman around the country, this is only way to do business in the country unfortunately. But nobody else has created private sector housing society as Bharia Town in 70 years. Bharia Town is not a fad, people living their are happy with services and it has been running for 20+ years(in Pindi atleast).

He has got the Bharia Town's land cheaply and or illegally, but he added lot of value to that land. That land in Rawat was sitting there and doing nothing for decades and decades, if it was not for M Raiz, that land would have been doing just that now as well.

Another way to look at when Islamabad was made, Pakistan Govt and CDA got that land very cheaply from locals, but then they made city by pouring in lot of money. Same is true for all DHA projects, they buy land cheaply and stamp Army's name on it and guarantee security, add infrastructure, that multiple the value of land by many folds. Lot of that is tax payer money distributed freely and policies that are focusing on making Army elite, those things can be categorized as corruption of whole different level and has not served well for country in many ways.

Malik Raiz is using same model. He has delivered on the promise of Bharia Town that's why people buy it even now. He has to do that with his own money (I know land is cheap or illegal, but infrastructure and services are real). This is not unusual all across the world. Like many others (in rest of the world), he had advantage of been first. Many business done first time have advantage of big margins if you can pull it off. Challenge of pulling it off is not easy. Modern China is built on the cheap and illegal labor, which was needed by west and provided by China. There was something init for both. Similarly M Raiz town are not completely run down communities, most people are happy with the services they got in this part of the world. There was something init for them too.

Now if Pakistani Govt goes after Bharia town, and M Raiz so that they can make some extra money, that would not be fair. Its like BJP going after every Muslim property and town name and claiming it was build 400 years ago illegally. Now when Malik Raiz has made 1 Crore land 100 Crore in 20 years, you cannot take that away from him. You can fine him something illegal and move on. Focus on building right checks and balances for future. Otherwise big Banks in US should have not been bailed out by Govt, who all used loop holes and bad practices that caused great recession back in 2008. Pakistan has to create a business environment where its easy to do business, if you have bribe everybody, its not only businessman's fault. You have to fix your system first too. Its easy to dump everything on one guy.

So moral of the story- stealing land is good.

 

[Bewal Express]

One problem when judging ppl like MR is that our system does not allow legit businesses to prosper. So we should acknowledge the fact that there is need to make the economy fair and competitive for everyone.

Our system was created by the very people he is in business with.

 

[gazza619]

Wow so rich!

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Our system was created by the very people he is in business with.

The system precedes those he is in business with. They are just carrying on the legacy.

 

[Bewal Express]

The system precedes those he is in business with. They are just carrying on the legacy.

The Bhuttos have been around since the 60`s. and the Sharifs since the late 70`s.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

The Bhuttos have been around since the 60`s. and the Sharifs since the late 70`s.

Sharifs and Bhuttos weren't born in a vacuum. Corruption was not invented by the Sharifs and Bhuttos. They are the bi-product of accepting and encouraging societal attitudes towards corruption. Anyway, the thread is not about Sharifs or Bhuttos.

 

[Bewal Express]

Sharifs and Bhuttos weren't born in a vacuum. Corruption was not invented by the Sharifs and Bhuttos. They are the bi-product of accepting and encouraging societal attitudes towards corruption. Anyway, the thread is not about Sharifs or Bhuttos.

It might well be- just watch the videos Sadiq Jan and you will see the role of the AZ and the Sharifs in this scam

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

It might well be- just watch the videos Sadiq Jan and you will see the role of the AZ and the Sharifs in this scam

Thats why Rao Anwar gets so much protection from the corridors of power. He was the key cog in MR's land grabbing mechanism and obviously the political elite benefited from it.

 

[Bewal Express]

Thats why Rao Anwar gets so much protection from the corridors of power. He was the key cog in MR's land grabbing mechanism and obviously the political elite benefited from it.

Lets see what he pays up, hopefully somewhere in the region of 1000bn and 20 years in jail. And for each year off the jail sentence he pays 100bn.

 

[Bewal Express]

This is taking it too far. Malik Raiz is the richest Pakistani, his business empire is pretty legit. I am not saying he has done everything legitimacy, but that is also true for 80% of all businessman around the country, this is only way to do business in the country unfortunately. But nobody else has created private sector housing society as Bharia Town in 70 years. Bharia Town is not a fad, people living their are happy with services and it has been running for 20+ years(in Pindi atleast).

He has got the Bharia Town's land cheaply and or illegally, but he added lot of value to that land. That land in Rawat was sitting there and doing nothing for decades and decades, if it was not for M Raiz, that land would have been doing just that now as well.

Another way to look at when Islamabad was made, Pakistan Govt and CDA got that land very cheaply from locals, but then they made city by pouring in lot of money. Same is true for all DHA projects, they buy land cheaply and stamp Army's name on it and guarantee security, add infrastructure, that multiple the value of land by many folds. Lot of that is tax payer money distributed freely and policies that are focusing on making Army elite, those things can be categorized as corruption of whole different level and has not served well for country in many ways.

Malik Raiz is using same model. He has delivered on the promise of Bharia Town that's why people buy it even now. He has to do that with his own money (I know land is cheap or illegal, but infrastructure and services are real). This is not unusual all across the world. Like many others (in rest of the world), he had advantage of been first. Many business done first time have advantage of big margins if you can pull it off. Challenge of pulling it off is not easy. Modern China is built on the cheap and illegal labor, which was needed by west and provided by China. There was something init for both. Similarly M Raiz town are not completely run down communities, most people are happy with the services they got in this part of the world. There was something init for them too.

Now if Pakistani Govt goes after Bharia town, and M Raiz so that they can make some extra money, that would not be fair. Its like BJP going after every Muslim property and town name and claiming it was build 400 years ago illegally. Now when Malik Raiz has made 1 Crore land 100 Crore in 20 years, you cannot take that away from him. You can fine him something illegal and move on. Focus on building right checks and balances for future. Otherwise big Banks in US should have not been bailed out by Govt, who all used loop holes and bad practices that caused great recession back in 2008. Pakistan has to create a business environment where its easy to do business, if you have bribe everybody, its not only businessman's fault. You have to fix your system first too. Its easy to dump everything on one guy.

28th September 2018, 07:53
"What are you drinking today? - I don’t get where Pakistanis get there numbers from, $200 B outside, $10B from Malik Raiz"

So do you want to know where we get these Numbers from?

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

This is taking it too far. Malik Raiz is the richest Pakistani, his business empire is pretty legit. I am not saying he has done everything legitimacy, but that is also true for 80% of all businessman around the country, this is only way to do business in the country unfortunately. But nobody else has created private sector housing society as Bharia Town in 70 years. Bharia Town is not a fad, people living their are happy with services and it has been running for 20+ years(in Pindi atleast).

He has got the Bharia Town's land cheaply and or illegally, but he added lot of value to that land. That land in Rawat was sitting there and doing nothing for decades and decades, if it was not for M Raiz, that land would have been doing just that now as well.

Another way to look at when Islamabad was made, Pakistan Govt and CDA got that land very cheaply from locals, but then they made city by pouring in lot of money. Same is true for all DHA projects, they buy land cheaply and stamp Army's name on it and guarantee security, add infrastructure, that multiple the value of land by many folds. Lot of that is tax payer money distributed freely and policies that are focusing on making Army elite, those things can be categorized as corruption of whole different level and has not served well for country in many ways.

Malik Raiz is using same model. He has delivered on the promise of Bharia Town that's why people buy it even now. He has to do that with his own money (I know land is cheap or illegal, but infrastructure and services are real). This is not unusual all across the world. Like many others (in rest of the world), he had advantage of been first. Many business done first time have advantage of big margins if you can pull it off. Challenge of pulling it off is not easy. Modern China is built on the cheap and illegal labor, which was needed by west and provided by China. There was something init for both. Similarly M Raiz town are not completely run down communities, most people are happy with the services they got in this part of the world. There was something init for them too.

Now if Pakistani Govt goes after Bharia town, and M Raiz so that they can make some extra money, that would not be fair. Its like BJP going after every Muslim property and town name and claiming it was build 400 years ago illegally. Now when Malik Raiz has made 1 Crore land 100 Crore in 20 years, you cannot take that away from him. You can fine him something illegal and move on. Focus on building right checks and balances for future. Otherwise big Banks in US should have not been bailed out by Govt, who all used loop holes and bad practices that caused great recession back in 2008. Pakistan has to create a business environment where its easy to do business, if you have bribe everybody, its not only businessman's fault. You have to fix your system first too. Its easy to dump everything on one guy.

With all due respect, you can't improve the system by letting go of the corrupt individuals like Malik Riaz. Bailing out those who have been guilty of harmful banking/financial practices only incentivise those practices.

 

[PetroDollars]

i dnt think he is a tax evader, i belive he must be the biggest taxpayer in the country however there are probably scams he done in selling illegal land and plots when he never owned the land.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

i dnt think he is a tax evader, i belive he must be the biggest taxpayer in the country however there are probably scams he done in selling illegal land and plots when he never owned the land.

He confessed on live television that he bribed government organisations and individuals in exchange for the real estate on cheaper rates.

 

[PetroDollars]

He confessed on live television that he bribed government organisations and individuals in exchange for the real estate on cheaper rates.

well thats not exactly tax evasion.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

well thats not exactly tax evasion.

That's not really a giant leap either.

 

[shah_1]

i dnt think he is a tax evader, i belive he must be the biggest taxpayer in the country however there are probably scams he done in selling illegal land and plots when he never owned the land.

Lol he is a tax evader

Malik Riaz let off over alleged tax evasion worth 119.4 billion report

https://www.dawn.com/news/1031077

 

[shah_1]

It like me owning 20,000 but stating only 1,000 in my tax returns. I’m paying tax only on 1,000 only. If this isn’t tax evasion what is this exactly?

 

[Bewal Express]

well thats not exactly tax evasion.

Why not, tax evasion is when you don't pay tax on income/wealth that you should.

 

[last_knight]

Imagine how much money he has such that $1.8b is disposable income for him.

With little more efforts in next 5/6 months, we may unearth few more Malik Riaz.

 

[saeedhk]

He is filthy rich. He had bought all the journalists in the country. Most of the Malik Riaz’s real estate is built on illegally grabbed and forcibly occupied lands of peasants and the downtrodden.

There have been protests from the victims but journalists and TV channel do not cover such events. I have seen many poor people from Karachi/Sindh in social media videos begging for their lands to be returned.

Last time, a stage collapsed during a social event in Bahria Town in which almost two dozen people were injured but the news came out after 17 days.


He is a crook!

 

[yasir]

It like me owning 20,000 but stating only 1,000 in my tax returns. I’m paying tax only on 1,000 only. If this isn’t tax evasion what is this exactly?

99.9999% of Pakistanis evade taxes, nobody has ever stated true value of their property, whenever it gets registered into the local books. 90% of Pakistani economy runs on black money, means you cannot trace how much it is and what is the source of that money. You know how west solved that problem, by taking more and more from the hands of people and run by technology. Pakistan fundamentally has broken system, you cannot take all the venom out on one guy, Which is Pakistanis favorite pass time, find that guy who they can blame for all their issues and sleep in piece at night and start their rubbish all over again the next day

I had same problem when whole world and Pakistanis of all people where going after Amir and Asif, as the villain. Those were actually our top performers, they were winning us matching, 80%(if not more) of the time they were performing like Champ on the field. If system does not know who to manage top talent, solution is not to get rid them, is to fix the system. Focusing on people is never a smart thing, although that is popular for dumb masses. :

Malik Raiz is the best business man in the country. He is not selling Heroine or Panzi scheme like Murdock. He is a Realstate Tycoon, like many other all over the world, things are never black and white. Trump also have similar business practices, do you really think all the land he grabbed even in US was legit? - He is now using US Govt Powers to grab prime real-estate all over the world

 

[yasir]

28th September 2018, 07:53
"What are you drinking today? - I don’t get where Pakistanis get there numbers from, $200 B outside, $10B from Malik Raiz"

So do you want to know where we get these Numbers from?

I still think those numbers are greatly exaggerated. MR is willing to give $2B, that does not means he has $10B, its because he has been black mail and pushed to corner, by all Govt machinery. He knows if he has to live, he has to pay them off.

Suppose MR has made $10B, out of that $8B is because of ecosystem he build, real-estate that he has developed. Govt has no right to come out so late in the game and try to grab all the cream from his pie??

 

[yasir]

So moral of the story- stealing land is good.

If done right, its not good, but its great

All past great empires, civilizations were build on looting and grabbing land and resources from poor. You great religion "Islam" was built on that. The mongol empire, British empire and now the US power rests on how to grab the right resources from the poor guys. We as a species are best at looting the planet we live in and make sure it is not livable for anybody but us. Lets not talk about morals, that is the last thing we as a species care about

 

[Bewal Express]

If done right, its not good, but its great

All past great empires, civilizations were build on looting and grabbing land and resources from poor. You great religion "Islam" was built on that. The mongol empire, British empire and now the US power rests on how to grab the right resources from the poor guys. We as a species are best at looting the planet we live in and make sure it is not livable for anybody but us. Lets not talk about morals, that is the last thing we as a species care about

Please let me know which properties you own and I am sure, me taking them will not be a problem as it happened in the past and it should be allowed by you.

 

[Bewal Express]

I still think those numbers are greatly exaggerated. MR is willing to give $2B, that does not means he has $10B, its because he has been black mail and pushed to corner, by all Govt machinery. He knows if he has to live, he has to pay them off.

Suppose MR has made $10B, out of that $8B is because of ecosystem he build, real-estate that he has developed. Govt has no right to come out so late in the game and try to grab all the cream from his pie??

I am sorry to humiliate with your own quote but the $10bn is underestimate.
Your desperation to defend a crook with drivel is sad but no unexpected. MR is not willing, he has no choice because the land he stole with the connivance of AZ, SS and co is clearly in the public domain. He should be fined $12bn, and all his business should be audited. He needs to be jailed for life. If you think it's ok, then you pay. I am sure crooks and their supporters have got each others back.

 

[King-Misbah]

If done right, its not good, but its great

All past great empires, civilizations were build on looting and grabbing land and resources from poor. You great religion "Islam" was built on that. The mongol empire, British empire and now the US power rests on how to grab the right resources from the poor guys. We as a species are best at looting the planet we live in and make sure it is not livable for anybody but us. Lets not talk about morals, that is the last thing we as a species care about

Pathetic attitude!

 

[Mamoon]

This is taking it too far. Malik Raiz is the richest Pakistani, his business empire is pretty legit. I am not saying he has done everything legitimacy, but that is also true for 80% of all businessman around the country, this is only way to do business in the country unfortunately. But nobody else has created private sector housing society as Bharia Town in 70 years. Bharia Town is not a fad, people living their are happy with services and it has been running for 20+ years(in Pindi atleast).

He has got the Bharia Town's land cheaply and or illegally, but he added lot of value to that land. That land in Rawat was sitting there and doing nothing for decades and decades, if it was not for M Raiz, that land would have been doing just that now as well.

Another way to look at when Islamabad was made, Pakistan Govt and CDA got that land very cheaply from locals, but then they made city by pouring in lot of money. Same is true for all DHA projects, they buy land cheaply and stamp Army's name on it and guarantee security, add infrastructure, that multiple the value of land by many folds. Lot of that is tax payer money distributed freely and policies that are focusing on making Army elite, those things can be categorized as corruption of whole different level and has not served well for country in many ways.

Malik Raiz is using same model. He has delivered on the promise of Bharia Town that's why people buy it even now. He has to do that with his own money (I know land is cheap or illegal, but infrastructure and services are real). This is not unusual all across the world. Like many others (in rest of the world), he had advantage of been first. Many business done first time have advantage of big margins if you can pull it off. Challenge of pulling it off is not easy. Modern China is built on the cheap and illegal labor, which was needed by west and provided by China. There was something init for both. Similarly M Raiz town are not completely run down communities, most people are happy with the services they got in this part of the world. There was something init for them too.

Now if Pakistani Govt goes after Bharia town, and M Raiz so that they can make some extra money, that would not be fair. Its like BJP going after every Muslim property and town name and claiming it was build 400 years ago illegally. Now when Malik Raiz has made 1 Crore land 100 Crore in 20 years, you cannot take that away from him. You can fine him something illegal and move on. Focus on building right checks and balances for future. Otherwise big Banks in US should have not been bailed out by Govt, who all used loop holes and bad practices that caused great recession back in 2008. Pakistan has to create a business environment where its easy to do business, if you have bribe everybody, its not only businessman's fault. You have to fix your system first too. Its easy to dump everything on one guy.

Well said. Unfortunately most Pakistanis are too naive and idealistic to understand.

In the subcontinent, you cannot become a tycoon without stepping on others and befriend the right people. Malik Riaz is no different, but Pakistan needs enterprising people like him to drive the country forward. Look Ambani - he is above the law in India, but he has done more for the Indian economy than any "clean" person.

People need to realise that corruption is not the biggest problem; a corrupt but competent person is much better than an honest but incompetent one. Malik Riaz is an asset for Pakistan and need to utilise his ambition and expertise and not embark on a witch-hunt against him.

 

[Bewal Express]

Well said. Unfortunately most Pakistanis are too naive and idealistic to understand.

In the subcontinent, you cannot become a tycoon without stepping on others and befriend the right people. Malik Riaz is no different, but Pakistan needs enterprising people like him to drive the country forward. Look Ambani - he is above the law in India, but he has done more for the Indian economy than any "clean" person.

People need to realise that corruption is not the biggest problem; a corrupt but competent person is much better than an honest but incompetent one. Malik Riaz is an asset for Pakistan and need to utilise his ambition and expertise and not embark on a witch-hunt against him.

What a surprise-Another one to defend the corrupt. Here is an idea, give your land and property to MR. Remember guys it's for the greater good.

 

[Mamoon]

What a surprise-Another one to defend the corrupt. Here is an idea, give your land and property to MR. Remember guys it's for the greater good.

It is funny how PTI supporters have a problem with him but have no issues with the grade A crook Jahangir Tareen serving as PTI Secretary General and running the show behind the scenes even after getting disqualified by the Supreme Court. Not forget, his 21 year old son has invested in PSL as well.

P.S. By "PTI supporters", I don't mean you. You were not allowed to vote and hence have played no part in bringing PTI into power, so you don't qualify as a supporter. In fact, I am a bigger supporter than you because I voted for them.

 

[King-Misbah]

It is funny how PTI supporters have a problem with him but have no issues with the grade A crook Jahangir Tareen serving as PTI Secretary General and running the show behind the scenes even after getting disqualified by the Supreme Court. Not forget, his 21 year old son has invested in PSL as well.

P.S. By "PTI supporters", I don't mean you. You were not allowed to vote and hence have played no part in bringing PTI into power, so you don't qualify as a supporter. In fact, I am a bigger supporter than you because I voted for them.

So why do you give JKT stick?

 

[PetroDollars]

Lol he is a tax evader

Malik Riaz let off over alleged tax evasion worth 119.4 billion report

https://www.dawn.com/news/1031077

It says alleged, nothing proven, Can you proove this?


In terms of bribing officals and jounalists, i dont see anything wrong with that, without bribes you can not get by in pakistan - lets say your house gets robbed and the police find the robber, well if you want him arrested you have to pay the police otherwise they dont care, get my point.

 

[Adijazz1706]

If done right, its not good, but its great

All past great empires, civilizations were build on looting and grabbing land and resources from poor. You great religion "Islam" was built on that. The mongol empire, British empire and now the US power rests on how to grab the right resources from the poor guys. We as a species are best at looting the planet we live in and make sure it is not livable for anybody but us. Lets not talk about morals, that is the last thing we as a species care about

Yahan bhi atheism ghusa diya, kamaal hai bhai

 

[Bewal Express]

It is funny how PTI supporters have a problem with him but have no issues with the grade A crook Jahangir Tareen serving as PTI Secretary General and running the show behind the scenes even after getting disqualified by the Supreme Court. Not forget, his 21 year old son has invested in PSL as well.

P.S. By "PTI supporters", I don't mean you. You were not allowed to vote and hence have played no part in bringing PTI into power, so you don't qualify as a supporter. In fact, I am a bigger supporter than you because I voted for them.

I have a problem with all crooks. JKT ha paid a heavy price, he has been humiliated publicly and political career is over.
BTW he isn't a grade A crook because if he was you would be on here defending him day and night. He would join the long list of A grade crooks: NS, SS, MN, Billo, AZ and now Malik Riaz that are good people in your eyes.

 

[Bewal Express]

It is funny how PTI supporters have a problem with him but have no issues with the grade A crook Jahangir Tareen serving as PTI Secretary General and running the show behind the scenes even after getting disqualified by the Supreme Court. Not forget, his 21 year old son has invested in PSL as well.

P.S. By "PTI supporters", I don't mean you. You were not allowed to vote and hence have played no part in bringing PTI into power, so you don't qualify as a supporter. In fact, I am a bigger supporter than you because I voted for them.

Back to the point- you are happy for crooks to steal off the poor so I take it that you are happy for your property to be stolen by MR.

 

[Bewal Express]

Sadiq Jan taking Talat to the cleaners for him lies about the Malik Riaz case. He also gave a full account of the delibrations in the court.

 

[yasir]

Please let me know which properties you own and I am sure, me taking them will not be a problem as it happened in the past and it should be allowed by you.

Please go ahead and take all the land and houses and what not I have in Pakistan, maybe here as well, if you stop by... Maybe do a little bit a ground work in figuring out who am I and what I own, if that is not too much work...I am sure MR is not asking so nicely to everyone, "Please" handover your property, I am the next biggest Crook in Pakistan

 

[Bewal Express]

Please go ahead and take all the land and houses and what not I have in Pakistan, maybe here as well, if you stop by... Maybe do a little bit a ground work in figuring out who am I and what I own, if that is not too much work...I am sure MR is not asking so nicely to everyone, "Please" handover your property, I am the next biggest Crook in Pakistan

So what's sauce for the goose is not sauce for the gander when it comes to your possessions.
No, I want you to hand to him like AZ did on a plate to him. Why wouldn't you? If you believe it's ok, to steal from a poor country, then please volunteer your own. But obviously you are too cowardly to do that.

 

[Mamoon]

So why do you give JKT stick?

I have a problem with all crooks. JKT ha paid a heavy price, he has been humiliated publicly and political career is over.
BTW he isn't a grade A crook because if he was you would be on here defending him day and night. He would join the long list of A grade crooks: NS, SS, MN, Billo, AZ and now Malik Riaz that are good people in your eyes.

If Jahangir Tareen contributes to the development and infrastructure of Pakistan as much as Malik Riaz, I won’t have a problem with him. Both are crooks, but only one of them is actively working for the country.

Jahangir Tareen’s loyalty seems to be to Imran and not the country. Furthermore, the fact that Imran did nothing about all the charges against and was happy to welcome a fraud like him in his party and make him SG clearly shows his bogus stance against corruption and dishonesty.

These things do not matter to him; they are only a problem when they are done by the wrong people. As long as you are with him, your past does not matter and you can steal to your heart’s content.

After SC’s verdict, Jahangir Tareen was still allowed to run the show from the backdrop. He went from one end of the country to another and “bought” the loyalties of independent candidates with his black money.

Now his 21 year old son is investing in PSL and no one has a problem. Imagine the hoopla if the son of Malik Riaz or any other crook politician would have invested in PSL.

The question is - why is the family of someone who has been declared dishonest by the SC still allowed to run the show from behind the scenes and invest in the country?

Is this how things are going to work in this newly established Madinah state? As I have said multiple times, the only distinction in Naya Pakistan is whether you are with Imran or against Imran.

If you are with Imran, everything is halal; if you are against Imran, everything is haram.

It is funny how people have a problem with Bilawal traveling in Malik Riaz’s private jet, but had no issues with Imran was zooming around the country in Jahangir Tareen’s jet.

Imran has a problem with Malik Riaz because he did not chew on the bone that he threw him. He has not shown any interest in becoming his cheerleader and jumping on the Naya Pakistan bandwagon.

If Malik Riaz has a change of heart and starts to back him, all of his crimes will be forgotten and he will be dry cleaned like everyone else, and PTI supporters will soften their stance as well.

 

[Greenstorm]

I have to respect Malik Riaz. He went from nothing to a real estate giant with politicians, retired generals and media channels working for him. Moreover, almost everything he has is in Pakistan and he hasn't stashed cash abroad unlike most of our top crooks. Problem for him is that he cannot buy Imran Khan so as long as IK is in power, he will make MR's life difficult.
In my opinion, SC should fine him for 500-600 billion rupees, compensate the affectees of illegal land grabbing with that money and deposit the rest if any into dam fund, while keeping a close eye on future projects of Bahria town.

 

[Bewal Express]

If Jahangir Tareen contributes to the development and infrastructure of Pakistan as much as Malik Riaz, I won’t have a problem with him. Both are crooks, but only one of them is actively working for the country.

Jahangir Tareen’s loyalty seems to be to Imran and not the country. Furthermore, the fact that Imran did nothing about all the charges against and was happy to welcome a fraud like him in his party and make him SG clearly shows his bogus stance against corruption and dishonesty.

These things do not matter to him; they are only a problem when they are done by the wrong people. As long as you are with him, your past does not matter and you can steal to your heart’s content.

After SC’s verdict, Jahangir Tareen was still allowed to run the show from the backdrop. He went from one end of the country to another and “bought” the loyalties of independent candidates with his black money.

Now his 21 year old son is investing in PSL and no one has a problem. Imagine the hoopla if the son of Malik Riaz or any other crook politician would have invested in PSL.

The question is - why is the family of someone who has been declared dishonest by the SC still allowed to run the show from behind the scenes and invest in the country?

Is this how things are going to work in this newly established Madinah state? As I have said multiple times, the only distinction in Naya Pakistan is whether you are with Imran or against Imran.

If you are with Imran, everything is halal; if you are against Imran, everything is haram.

It is funny how people have a problem with Bilawal traveling in Malik Riaz’s private jet, but had no issues with Imran was zooming around the country in Jahangir Tareen’s jet.

Imran has a problem with Malik Riaz because he did not chew on the bone that he threw him. He has not shown any interest in becoming his cheerleader and jumping on the Naya Pakistan bandwagon.

If Malik Riaz has a change of heart and starts to back him, all of his crimes will be forgotten and he will be dry cleaned like everyone else, and PTI supporters will soften their stance as well.

Your instinct is to back any crook that you can find and the bigger the crook the more excuses you use from them. I am son of a poor soldier and thankfully i have never EVER benefited from corruption of any sort. Malik Riaz stole land and he knows and hence he is willing to pay billions he owes, and this alone is a massive step forward for PK because he is the mafia boss along with AZ and NS. The SC has him by the short and curlies and no matter how much you cry on the internet forums for these crooks, he will have to pay up. He will no doubt face jail because along with people that connived with him. Its only a matter time before you tell that this is an attack on democracy.
As far as JKT is concerned- he has paid a big price and when the cases came to court he was convicted and rightly so of hiding assets and trust deeds, if you or the Nooras had the evidences, then that was your time to present them. As These cases relate to his time before the PTI came to power, your desperation to link this to IK using his influence is just a pathetic lie. JKT has paid more tax than all the SHARIFS and Zardaris put together- who according to their tax returns are very poor, and his son using that money to buy a Franchise isnt a problem with me a as long as his tax returns reflect it. If you have evidence otherwise then lets see it.
IK will destroy MR because MR cant buy him like he has brought everyone else. MR has a simple formula- he buys everyone from the Generals, to Judges to Bureaucrats to the family Dynasties but he cant buy IK and you know that and he knows that.

 

[Greenstorm]

Your instinct is to back any crook that you can find and the bigger the crook the more excuses you use from them. I am son of a poor soldier and thankfully i have never EVER benefited from corruption of any sort. Malik Riaz stole land and he knows and hence he is willing to pay billions he owes, and this alone is a massive step forward for PK because he is the mafia boss along with AZ and NS. The SC has him by the short and curlies and no matter how much you cry on the internet forums for these crooks, he will have to pay up. He will no doubt face jail because along with people that connived with him. Its only a matter time before you tell that this is an attack on democracy.
As far as JKT is concerned- he has paid a big price and when the cases came to court he was convicted and rightly so of hiding assets and trust deeds, if you or the Nooras had the evidences, then that was your time to present them. As These cases relate to his time before the PTI came to power, your desperation to link this to IK using his influence is just a pathetic lie. JKT has paid more tax than all the SHARIFS and Zardaris put together- who according to their tax returns are very poor, and his son using that money to buy a Franchise isnt a problem with me a as long as his tax returns reflect it. If you have evidence otherwise then lets see it.
IK will destroy MR because MR cant buy him like he has brought everyone else. MR has a simple formula- he buys everyone from the Generals, to Judges to Bureaucrats to the family Dynasties but he cant buy IK and you know that and he knows that.

You have seen some posters here who say that corruption is not a big issue, they say this because it does not affect them as almost all of them belong to higher middle class or elite upper class so if anything, large scale corruption at higher level actually helps them by keeping them at the top.

But it definitely effects lower middle class and poor people in every way. And no, blaming an average constable taking bribes at a checkpoints does not absolve the ruling elite from the crimes they commit because there corruption has a very large impact on society.

You also have noticed that the same people are filled with acute hate towards its own armed forces and one big reason is that they cannot fathom that people who have studied at lower quality schools/colleges than them, belonging to middle or lower middle class actually hold more or same power as compared to them. Gen Ashfaq Kiyani, son of a poor soldier, remained the most powerful man in the country for many years, obviously the rich civilian elite will dislike army as it challenges their hegemony.

 

[Bewal Express]

You have seen some posters here who say that corruption is not a big issue, they say this because it does not affect them as almost all of them belong to higher middle class or elite upper class so if anything, large scale corruption at higher level actually helps them by keeping them at the top.

But it definitely effects lower middle class and poor people in every way. And no, blaming an average constable taking bribes at a checkpoints does not absolve the ruling elite from the crimes they commit because there corruption has a very large impact on society.

You also have noticed that the same people are filled with acute hate towards its own armed forces and one big reason is that they cannot fathom that people who have studied at lower quality schools/colleges than them, belonging to middle or lower middle class actually hold more or same power as compared to them. Gen Ashfaq Kiyani, son of a poor soldier, remained the most powerful man in the country for many years, obviously the rich civilian elite will dislike army as it challenges their hegemony.

Corruption is not a problem if you get a cut of the loot. PK has been been destroyed by crooks and their pathetic supporters. People who lack morals support corruption, no person worth a grain of salt would ever support the corrupt.

 

[Reddy]

Well said. Unfortunately most Pakistanis are too naive and idealistic to understand.

In the subcontinent, you cannot become a tycoon without stepping on others and befriend the right people. Malik Riaz is no different, but Pakistan needs enterprising people like him to drive the country forward. Look Ambani - he is above the law in India, but he has done more for the Indian economy than any "clean" person.

People need to realise that corruption is not the biggest problem; a corrupt but competent person is much better than an honest but incompetent one. Malik Riaz is an asset for Pakistan and need to utilise his ambition and expertise and not embark on a witch-hunt against him.

99.9999% of Pakistanis evade taxes, nobody has ever stated true value of their property, whenever it gets registered into the local books. 90% of Pakistani economy runs on black money, means you cannot trace how much it is and what is the source of that money. You know how west solved that problem, by taking more and more from the hands of people and run by technology. Pakistan fundamentally has broken system, you cannot take all the venom out on one guy, Which is Pakistanis favorite pass time, find that guy who they can blame for all their issues and sleep in piece at night and start their rubbish all over again the next day

I had same problem when whole world and Pakistanis of all people where going after Amir and Asif, as the villain. Those were actually our top performers, they were winning us matching, 80%(if not more) of the time they were performing like Champ on the field. If system does not know who to manage top talent, solution is not to get rid them, is to fix the system. Focusing on people is never a smart thing, although that is popular for dumb masses. :

Malik Raiz is the best business man in the country. He is not selling Heroine or Panzi scheme like Murdock. He is a Realstate Tycoon, like many other all over the world, things are never black and white. Trump also have similar business practices, do you really think all the land he grabbed even in US was legit? - He is now using US Govt Powers to grab prime real-estate all over the world

The PAKMIL establishment does not want such rich Billionaires to grow in Pakistan, with money comes influence, instead they want to capture as much business as possible for themselves.

Specially in the case of Malik Riaz he is the establishment's main business competitor, both have same land grabbing for cheap and making Billions formula.

The Pakistani establishment and IRI/IRGC in Iran behave in the same manner, capture as many business and economy of country as possible. The only thing is such organisations are always worse than real businessman when it comes to running business and thus you get low value addition and low growth.

 

[MenInG]

The PAKMIL establishment does not want such rich Billionaires to grow in Pakistan, with money comes influence, instead they want to capture as much business as possible for themselves.

Specially in the case of Malik Riaz he is the establishment's main business competitor, both have same land grabbing for cheap and making Billions formula.

The Pakistani establishment and IRI/IRGC in Iran behave in the same manner, capture as many business and economy of country as possible. The only thing is such organisations are always worse than real businessman when it comes to running business and thus you get low value addition and low growth.

I understand you are not from Pakistan so understandably you look for some anti-pak angle and find sympathy with a few from our side of the fence too but this PAKMILestablishment thing - please keep it off our forums.

 

[Bewal Express]

The PAKMIL establishment does not want such rich Billionaires to grow in Pakistan, with money comes influence, instead they want to capture as much business as possible for themselves.

Specially in the case of Malik Riaz he is the establishment's main business competitor, both have same land grabbing for cheap and making Billions formula.

The Pakistani establishment and IRI/IRGC in Iran behave in the same manner, capture as many business and economy of country as possible. The only thing is such organisations are always worse than real businessman when it comes to running business and thus you get low value addition and low growth.

Your knowledge of PK is next to nil, stick to Modi and his fascists.

 

[Bewal Express]

I understand you are not from Pakistan so understandably you look for some anti-pak angle and find sympathy with a few from our side of the fence too but this PAKMILestablishment thing - please keep it off our forums.

Have you noticed that all the people that support corruption or hate the PK army army are supportive of Malik Riaz.

 

[Pakpak]

The PAKMIL establishment does not want such rich Billionaires to grow in Pakistan, with money comes influence, instead they want to capture as much business as possible for themselves.

Specially in the case of Malik Riaz he is the establishment's main business competitor, both have same land grabbing for cheap and making Billions formula.

The Pakistani establishment and IRI/IRGC in Iran behave in the same manner, capture as many business and economy of country as possible. The only thing is such organisations are always worse than real businessman when it comes to running business and thus you get low value addition and low growth.

Another troll. Malik Riaz has proudly many times boasted of his contacts within the Army. Have some basic knowledge about Pakistan.

 

[Syed1]

The PAKMIL establishment does not want such rich Billionaires to grow in Pakistan, with money comes influence, instead they want to capture as much business as possible for themselves.

Specially in the case of Malik Riaz he is the establishment's main business competitor, both have same land grabbing for cheap and making Billions formula.

The Pakistani establishment and IRI/IRGC in Iran behave in the same manner, capture as many business and economy of country as possible. The only thing is such organisations are always worse than real businessman when it comes to running business and thus you get low value addition and low growth.

Mind your own business.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

All said and done, how is Rafi Stadium coming along?

 

[Bewal Express]

MR has offered to 358 bn and the SC has refused the offer. Malik sahib has to pay around 10-12bn as a minimum. At least one of the Dams has to be paid for.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1459108/s...or-karachi-land-regularisation-unsatisfactory

 

[Deewana Mastana]

All said and done, how is Rafi Stadium coming along?

Only Rafi can tell you that

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Having met him and his family a fair few times over the years, I know how rich he is.

 

[shah_1]

SC Rejects Bahria Town’s Settlement Offer of Rs. 358 Billion
https://propakistani.pk/2019/01/22/sc-rejects-bahria-towns-settlement-offer-of-rs-358-billion/

 

[Bewal Express]

I should said $10-12bn.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

He's a smart man with country's smartest lawyers on his payroll. They know that the daddy hammer of Justice will come upon him hard that's why he's looking for a payoff.

In Sha Allah, SC will apply the law and do the justice k nothing more nothing less; for without constitutional rights and laws we are mere savages.

PS: he's rich. Like the 0.01% elite of Pakistan who got looted money stashed all around the world! Any Panama papers info?

 

[Syed1]

SC Rejects Bahria Town’s Settlement Offer of Rs. 358 Billion
https://propakistani.pk/2019/01/22/sc-rejects-bahria-towns-settlement-offer-of-rs-358-billion/

Wth.... bhai lehlo issay pehlay offer chali jaye

 

[Syed1]

He just offered to give $3 billion for a settlement

 

[shah_1]

He just offered to give $3 billion for a settlement

And he is not even in the frobe list of billionaire. All black money

 

[Syed1]

And he is not even in the frobe list of billionaire. All black money

Well just Bahria Town Karachi is expected to be worth $15b, then you have the ones in Pindi, Lahore and whole plethora of cities. This guy is easily sitting on $30-40b of hard cash.

 

[Bewal Express]

Well just Bahria Town Karachi is expected to be worth $15b, then you have the ones in Pindi, Lahore and whole plethora of cities. This guy is easily sitting on $30-40b of hard cash.

There should be 3 way split- money for Dam, money for Karachi ( don't give to PPP to spend because we all know where that will end up) and money for the housing IK wants for the poor. Do the same for Pindi and Lahore, but with Lahore it should be split between housing and the Dam because they have had billions already spent on the metro.

 

[Greenstorm]

Wth.... bhai lehlo issay pehlay offer chali jaye

He will go upto Rs. 500-600 billion, just wait.

 

[yasir]

SC is saying 358B Rs are not enough for 16,896 acres. That is about 21M Rs per Acres or 2.6M Rs per Canal of under developed land. Parks, roads and open space generally constitute 20-35% of the community. If you take that into account price looks even more unreasonable. SC and establishment is using muscle power to bully MR. I don't know if there is any under developed piece of land anywhere in the country that can be so expensive, specially 17000 acres of them

Its also not cleared to me issue is of 7000 Acres or all of 16,896?? - If its 7000, issue is much more damming from SC and establishment side...

Looking at this, I don't know if anybody wants to do business in Pakistan without Establishment backing(aka MIL backing), because if you are successful you are doomed, not just you but your generations...Sort of that happens to Politicians as well. Bhuttos are completely wiped out, in few decades... Exceptions are the ones, who are in bed with MIL, otherwise you need to find a new home, Pakistan is not a place for you...MIL don't want Entrepreneur culture in Pakistan, they see them as threat not somebody who is helping you built the country...

This is in strake contrast to US, where 50% of DOD budget goes to private defense contractors. R&D is pretty much outsourced to private sector(Govt based R&D is isolated from Army, they are mostly separate and independent culturally), Drone Tech was build by private sector that leveraged the US leadership in Software Tech. US MIL don't have stomach nor capability to go after private sector, actually some time they give away tech to private sector for Tech to really flourish, like Internet, Laser, microwave and many techs like that. Key cultural difference is in Capitalist society private sector is only proper channel to make money. Where as in Pakistan entire focus is to be part of Establishment and make money off of public sector, this is where the fundamental corruption lies. If you want to get rid of corruption, you have to privatize as much as you can and regulate private sector, with focus of how to let it flourish. People like MR are pioneer of private sector, in many ways like Rockafella, Carney, Edison, Gates and many other US Enterpreneur, most of them did not built everything clean. Society leverage and learned from them and improve the system so that next generation is not allowed to made same mistakes, but country need these pioneer as much as these guys need country to play with, its a partnership...

There is a reason MIL based or backed businesses are very successful. They don't have to pay taxes, can get their debt forgiven. I wonder if SC will investigate all the debt forgiveness services Pakistan has been providing to MIL, Corrupt Politicians, Businessman (relatives of MIL and POL) in last 50 years??

 

[Bewal Express]

SC is saying 358B Rs are not enough for 16,896 acres. That is about 21M Rs per Acres or 2.6M Rs per Canal of under developed land. Parks, roads and open space generally constitute 20-35% of the community. If you take that into account price looks even more unreasonable. SC and establishment is using muscle power to bully MR. I don't know if there is any under developed piece of land anywhere in the country that can be so expensive, specially 17000 acres of them

Its also not cleared to me issue is of 7000 Acres or all of 16,896?? - If its 7000, issue is much more damming from SC and establishment side...

Looking at this, I don't know if anybody wants to do business in Pakistan without Establishment backing(aka MIL backing), because if you are successful you are doomed, not just you but your generations...Sort of that happens to Politicians as well. Bhuttos are completely wiped out, in few decades... Exceptions are the ones, who are in bed with MIL, otherwise you need to find a new home, Pakistan is not a place for you...MIL don't want Entrepreneur culture in Pakistan, they see them as threat not somebody who is helping you built the country...

This is in strake contrast to US, where 50% of DOD budget goes to private defense contractors. R&D is pretty much outsourced to private sector(Govt based R&D is isolated from Army, they are mostly separate and independent culturally), Drone Tech was build by private sector that leveraged the US leadership in Software Tech. US MIL don't have stomach nor capability to go after private sector, actually some time they give away tech to private sector for Tech to really flourish, like Internet, Laser, microwave and many techs like that. Key cultural difference is in Capitalist society private sector is only proper channel to make money. Where as in Pakistan entire focus is to be part of Establishment and make money off of public sector, this is where the fundamental corruption lies. If you want to get rid of corruption, you have to privatize as much as you can and regulate private sector, with focus of how to let it flourish. People like MR are pioneer of private sector, in many ways like Rockafella, Carney, Edison, Gates and many other US Enterpreneur, most of them did not built everything clean. Society leverage and learned from them and improve the system so that next generation is not allowed to made same mistakes, but country need these pioneer as much as these guys need country to play with, its a partnership...

There is a reason MIL based or backed businesses are very successful. They don't have to pay taxes, can get their debt forgiven. I wonder if SC will investigate all the debt forgiveness services Pakistan has been providing to MIL, Corrupt Politicians, Businessman (relatives of MIL and POL) in last 50 years??

Firstly you told he didn't have this sort of money and know you are telling us that's it's too much. No it's not, and he will pay every penny. And how did we know that you will blame the army, even though most of his top staff are hired from the army to stop this sort of thing. Get over it, the guy is crook and is having to pay the price.

 

[Bewal Express]

The SC will give it's decision in the next few weeks. We need $10bn from the crook. It's funny and tragic for PK that institutions in Sindh are lying to protect a crook. And if IK wasn't in power there is no way anyone would have paid any attention to the SC.

 

[Bewal Express]

The crook is up to his tricks, this time in Lahore.

 

[Pakpak]

When do you think decision is expected

 

[Bewal Express]

When do you think decision is expected

I think they said the end of next week. I think the best thing that could ever happen is if MR turns on AZ. And IA it will happen because there is no honour amongst thieves and MR is not only looking at a huge fine but a long prison sentence. My deal for the crook to avoid jail would be that he pay $12bn and promise to build 1/2mn homes for the poor