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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gender equality, 2018.<br><br>1. Iceland<br>2. Norway<br>3. Sweden<br><br>12. France<br>14. Germany<br>15. UK<br>16. Canada<br>19. South Africa<br>29. Spain<br>48. Bangladesh<br>50. Mexico<br>51. US<br>70. Italy<br>75. Russia<br>85. Indonesia<br>95. Brazil<br>103. China<br>108. India<br>130. Turkey<br>141. Saudi Arabia<br>148. Pakistan<br><br>(WEF)</p>— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) <a href="https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1218956286815096836?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Even lower than Saudi Arabia is a rock bottom. I think MBS is doing some good things as Saudi slowly but surely heading towards modernization but if I told you in 70s that the Pakistan would be one of the worst countries in terms of gender equality, you wouldn't believe it.
 
Should be more serious, like very other nation on the planet.

OP should ask the same question of India, for obvious reasons.
 
Should be more serious, like very other nation on the planet.

OP should ask the same question of India, for obvious reasons.

India is really but its still at least 40 places above Pakistan and look at Bangladesh, the reason behind the economic development is women empowerment.
 
India is really but its still at least 40 places above Pakistan and look at Bangladesh, the reason behind the economic development is women empowerment.

India is far worse, this table means nothing in reality.

Both were part of one land and now we have a millions of children in India who slaves and forced into prostitution.

ITS CUSTOM for some in India to sell their daughters to peados. This is a few days old, watch it.

India: The Child Sex Highway

https://www.aljazeera.com/programme...JXS8cHGIAiDhL5L5b2lmnTPo13e-pY5X0RqDgBGMEgfks

@mods please change title to how serious is the world, this is not a Pakistani issue alone.
 
India is far worse, this table means nothing in reality.

Both were part of one land and now we have a millions of children in India who slaves and forced into prostitution.

ITS CUSTOM for some in India to sell their daughters to peados. This is a few days old, watch it.



https://www.aljazeera.com/programme...JXS8cHGIAiDhL5L5b2lmnTPo13e-pY5X0RqDgBGMEgfks

@mods please change title to how serious is the world, this is not a Pakistani issue alone.
Sounds awful...What a terrible country.
 
Pakistan is among the lower ranked countries for gender equality however I find it hard to believe it's ranked lower than Saudi Arabia. A lot of these rankings are politically motivated and we don't know what methodology they used.

Also the account isn't even verified so it isn't very credible plus it's against forum rules.
 
Pakistan is among the lower ranked countries for gender equality however I find it hard to believe it's ranked lower than Saudi Arabia. A lot of these rankings are politically motivated and we don't know what methodology they used.

Also the account isn't even verified so it isn't very credible plus it's against forum rules.

It has 1.4m followers and same account was used to say that Pakistan is #1 Tourist destination of 2020.
 
Even though I criticize modern feminism, I have to say women rights are very important. All nations should give sufficient women rights (up to a certain limit).
 
Well its pretty obvious where Pakistan should be ranked. Making arguments about whether it should be ranked at 140th or 120th or below or above India is just the kind of idiotic arguments that makes it one of the least liveable countries in the world.
 
Well its pretty obvious where Pakistan should be ranked. Making arguments about whether it should be ranked at 140th or 120th or below or above India is just the kind of idiotic arguments that makes it one of the least liveable countries in the world.
It doesn't make sense for it to be ranked 7 places below Saudi Arabia, the "rights" that MBS gave Saudi women only a year ago are rights Pakistan's constitution has guaranteed its women since Pakistan's formation. I also don't get how India and Bangladesh are ranked much higher up, maybe it's cause of Bollywood and Bangladesh having a female PM.
 
It has 1.4m followers and same account was used to say that Pakistan is #1 Tourist destination of 2020.

Doesn't mean anything. Unverified accounts shouldn't be used as sources and it's actually against the forum's policy.
 
It doesn't make sense for it to be ranked 7 places below Saudi Arabia, the "rights" that MBS gave Saudi women only a year ago are rights Pakistan's constitution has guaranteed its women since Pakistan's formation. I also don't get how India and Bangladesh are ranked much higher up, maybe it's cause of Bollywood and Bangladesh having a female PM.

Hasina focused heavily on women empowerment. It has nothing to do with having a female PM (although I would love to see a male PM for a change).
 
It doesn't make sense for it to be ranked 7 places below Saudi Arabia, the "rights" that MBS gave Saudi women only a year ago are rights Pakistan's constitution has guaranteed its women since Pakistan's formation. I also don't get how India and Bangladesh are ranked much higher up, maybe it's cause of Bollywood and Bangladesh having a female PM.

Who gives a f###, they are all in depressing situations. Look to compete with the top 10 not the bottom 50.
 
Hasina focused heavily on women empowerment. It has nothing to do with having a female PM (although I would love to see a male PM for a change).

In what ways, all the Bangladeshi women I've spoken to tell me about the pervasive patriarchy and sexism in Bangladeshi society which isn't any different in other Desi cultures so I don't what metric they're using to rank these countries.
 
Who gives a f###, they are all in depressing situations. Look to compete with the top 10 not the bottom 50.

Ain't no way you're competing with the top 10 lol, you gotta make small steps. I think Pakistan should aim to achieve the level of gender equality that we see in the English-speaking countries. Scandinavia is too radical, they make little boys wear dresses and play with barbies at school.
 
Should be more serious, like very other nation on the planet.

OP should ask the same question of India, for obvious reasons.

OP is Indian under the guise of a Pakistani. Pretty pathetic some of our neighbors have nothing to do.
 
Even though I criticize modern feminism, I have to say women rights are very important. All nations should give sufficient women rights (up to a certain limit).

You really one bigoted and nasty individual. The fact you're in the West is pretty astonishing.
 
You really one bigoted and nasty individual. The fact you're in the West is pretty astonishing.

How was my comment nasty or bigoted? Do you want limitless rights for everyone? That can result in anarchy.

I support sufficient rights.
 
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How was my comment nasty or bigoted? Do you want limitless rights for everyone? That can result in anarchy.

I support sufficient rights.

That you think men are ones that would give rights to women.
It’s not for you to support “sufficient rights”, equal rights is their right.. it took 40 years for ERA to be implemented in States.
 
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"Letting a woman drive a car is like to make a monkey fly a plane. Very dangerous!" - Borat.

Jokes aside, I think Imran Khan is the right guy to improve women empowerment in Pakistan.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] why are you pointing fingers at others,it doesn't matter who is up and down,the truth is both are worse and need to improve it.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] why are you pointing fingers at others,it doesn't matter who is up and down,the truth is both are worse and need to improve it.

Have you never read what he posts?
 
How was my comment nasty or bigoted? Do you want limitless rights for everyone? That can result in anarchy.

I support sufficient rights.

????

They should have all the same rights as men. Like I said its amazing you live in the West.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gender equality, 2018.<br><br>1. Iceland<br>2. Norway<br>3. Sweden<br><br>12. France<br>14. Germany<br>15. UK<br>16. Canada<br>19. South Africa<br>29. Spain<br>48. Bangladesh<br>50. Mexico<br>51. US<br>70. Italy<br>75. Russia<br>85. Indonesia<br>95. Brazil<br>103. China<br>108. India<br>130. Turkey<br>141. Saudi Arabia<br>148. Pakistan<br><br>(WEF)</p>— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) <a href="https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1218956286815096836?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Even lower than Saudi Arabia is a rock bottom. I think MBS is doing some good things as Saudi slowly but surely heading towards modernization but if I told you in 70s that the Pakistan would be one of the worst countries in terms of gender equality, you wouldn't believe it.

Seriously, this does not even stand a chance when you look at India.

At an average, 50,000 baby girls or female fetuses are killed in India every month, Yes that's 50,000 EVERY MONTH!

And this is reported by an Independent third party American news that is not influenced by Pakistan to put India in a bad light.

Here is the report.
https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headli...s-elizabeth-vargas-explores-indias-gendercide

And then you have it verified by an Indian minister
https://time.com/3830874/2000-girls-killed-every-day-india-minister/


In my opinion, no other human right violation against women can beat these bitter facts and harsh realities.

This is what you REALLY call terrorism.

And you worry about, "How Pakistan is serious about women rights"?

This has to be one of most bogus list of women rights I've ever seen after they put India at 108.
 
In what ways, all the Bangladeshi women I've spoken to tell me about the pervasive patriarchy and sexism in Bangladeshi society which isn't any different in other Desi cultures so I don't what metric they're using to rank these countries.

Education for a start. Female literacy rate among 15-24 year old women is 95% in Bangladesh compared to 68% in Pakistan.
 
It doesn't make sense for it to be ranked 7 places below Saudi Arabia, the "rights" that MBS gave Saudi women only a year ago are rights Pakistan's constitution has guaranteed its women since Pakistan's formation. I also don't get how India and Bangladesh are ranked much higher up, maybe it's cause of Bollywood and Bangladesh having a female PM.

You are too ignorant about Bangladesh. Bangladesh is in a much better economic condition than Pakistan and even India and the women empowerment has to do a lot with it.

https://www.thedailystar.net/city/news/bangladesh-becoming-role-model-womens-empowerment-1713703
 
Pakistan is among the lower ranked countries for gender equality however I find it hard to believe it's ranked lower than Saudi Arabia. A lot of these rankings are politically motivated and we don't know what methodology they used.

Also the account isn't even verified so it isn't very credible plus it's against forum rules.

I believe this doesn’t only include women rights but also women safety etc. While Saudis deeply discriminate against women and is a heavily patriarchal society, it is relatively safer than Pakistan in terms of protection from rape, honor killing etc.
 
People who think India is worse than Pakistan need to understand something:

India is far more efficient than Pakistan when it comes to recording statistics, so take these numbers with a pinch of salt. More than half of rapes are unrecorded in Pakistan and thus are not part of the official data.

Both countries are in a deplorable position as far as women rights are concerned, and no one can claim superiority on this front.
 
I think the younger generation to come might be a more progressive one towards women's rights.

Sadly exists the old school generation who think women should have limited education and their only career belongs in the household.
 
Do Pakistanis in Pakistan have any rights in the first place?

Sad as it is the state of affairs in the country for decades means that whoever is powerful holds the most prestige and can do anything for their own advantage meaning harming others who may come in their way.
 
Forget women rights there are no human rights in Pakistan as of yet.
Lots of work needs to be done.
 
Most women have no rights in Pakistan. There are treated as lesser beings. Their lives are not valued and they face significant difficulties when it comes seeking employment and accessing education.

Some are killed for choosing a spouse of their choice and some have their faces burned by acid for refusing a suitor. Pakistan is a horrible place to be a woman.
 
Are we talking about women's rights from a western POV? Pakistan and quite a lot of other countries in the east still view women totally differently from men.
 
Are we talking about women's rights from a western POV? Pakistan and quite a lot of other countries in the east still view women totally differently from men.

No we are talking about it from a human POV. Women in Pakistan and many similar countries are oppressed.
 
Most women have no rights in Pakistan. There are treated as lesser beings. Their lives are not valued and they face significant difficulties when it comes seeking employment and accessing education.

Some are killed for choosing a spouse of their choice and some have their faces burned by acid for refusing a suitor. Pakistan is a horrible place to be a woman.

None of my female relative, friends and sisters are lesser than me.

All of them are educated.

Most of them have profession that earn them good living.

Women harassment exist every where.

Stop making crap up.
 
No we are talking about it from a human POV. Women in Pakistan and many similar countries are oppressed.

How do you judge a human POV? Eastern perspective? Western perspective? Hindu perspective? Islamic perspective?

Or perhaps a human perspective should transcend all these and there should be a common standard? Is this where you are coming from?
 
How do you judge a human POV? Eastern perspective? Western perspective? Hindu perspective? Islamic perspective?

Or perhaps a human perspective should transcend all these and there should be a common standard? Is this where you are coming from?

Let women decide.. if anytime men feel their rights are being affected coz women they can chip in and decide against it.

The idea that a woman has to be someone that is a home maker should be her choice.. not the society’s or man’s.

Why does religion come into picture here?
 
There is absolutely no denying that women across the board need better access to health care, education, household decision making, and employment opportunities (if they do choose to work). Unfortunately, most people on this thread are approaching it from a colonial mindset where anything from the west is automatically superior.

We need indigenous solutions that take into account economic and social realities on the ground combined with the good aspects of our tradition. Blindly copying and pasting western solutions will only lead to further social chaos.

For example: setup a gov't system where women with young children are given a monthly stipend in their own back account (not their husbands/fathers). Then give out microloans to encourage women owned small businesses.
 
There is absolutely no denying that women across the board need better access to health care, education, household decision making, and employment opportunities (if they do choose to work). Unfortunately, most people on this thread are approaching it from a colonial mindset where anything from the west is automatically superior.

We need indigenous solutions that take into account economic and social realities on the ground combined with the good aspects of our tradition. Blindly copying and pasting western solutions will only lead to further social chaos.

For example: setup a gov't system where women with young children are given a monthly stipend in their own back account (not their husbands/fathers). Then give out microloans to encourage women owned small businesses.

While what you are saying is true, if we let women decide it could help even further.

Checkout about women of Rwanda how they built back the country.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bo...SkaN9v0ZwaTvFqYzZuK/story.html?outputType=amp
 
OP is Indian under the guise of a Pakistani. Pretty pathetic some of our neighbors have nothing to do.

Nothing new here.

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] why are you pointing fingers at others,it doesn't matter who is up and down,the truth is both are worse and need to improve it.

Not read your posts before but I was pointing out this is a universal issue and since both nations were part of one land , we should discuss and compare. What happens in India cannot be compared to any country , the worse place for women on Earth.
 
None of my female relative, friends and sisters are lesser than me.

All of them are educated.

Most of them have profession that earn them good living.

Women harassment exist every where.

Stop making crap up.

You can say that because are are from a privileged background. You probably live abroad, speak English and have access to the Internet.

However, 90% of Pakistan’s population are not like you. Violence against women is the norm in most of such households. Women are denied education and employment. Statistics do not lie. Literacy rate among females in Pakistan is a mere 45%. The rate drops to below 20% in Baluchistan and some areas in KP.
 
Honor killings, rape, forceful conversions and marriages are common news in Pakistan. When it comes to providing basic rights to women, Pakistan will never be serious. Its a terrible country for a women.
 
How do you judge a human POV? Eastern perspective? Western perspective? Hindu perspective? Islamic perspective?

Or perhaps a human perspective should transcend all these and there should be a common standard? Is this where you are coming from?

Very pertinent questions. Violence and harassment of women should be rooted out from every part of the world. Everything else is subjective.
 
You know things are pretty bad when your own PM is indulging in casual sexism and 95% of people are defending him
 
Women from elite backgrounds and higher backgrounds, although have their fair share of problems(like fair wages,discrimination,harrasment etc) are still progressing in some way for example education, a say in their marriage(some still dont have that) their share to their money and property etc.

It is the rural areas and the less privileged backgrounds or even middle class backgrounds where it is the worst and believe me the elite population does not constitute alot of our overall population. Acid attacks, rapes, honor killings, stoned by jirga decisions, maligned because of being divorced and widowed, no share given in property, domestic violence, being sold off for money(i am not even exaggerating, this still happens. We once had a house help who told us that her eldest daughter was sold off years ago by her father to a 70+ man to pay off some debts and she had no connection with her but she also had no desire for anyone's interventions because she did not want to be husband-less and that broke my heart because some women go through stuff behind closed doors I cant even imagine), dowry issues and so much more. Equal education is the least of their concerns given the other problems they have to go through on a daily basis. It is important to listen to such women because it maoes you realize the problems you thought were so 18th century still exist.

And we are far far behind and it hurts to see that many people do not realize the actual problems.And even though the Government hasnt taken decisive actions(still no ruling on everyday rapes of minors etc) i believe that if we as citizens and especially men(since we do live in a patriarchy afterall with men in ruling positions) behave the way they should we can go a long way.

Conversations with Kanwal is an amazing show which highlights such stories and even of women who might appear to be from privileged backgrounds but have gone through a lot. And i believe awareness is the first step towards treatment. And there are people who are striving towards that but there is a long way to go.

Unfortunately there are some groups who focus on their own agendas and the real problems take a backseat. For example the Aurat March seemed like a progressive step and could have been used in a great way but it was not. Their were good messages but they were buried beneath the cheap stunts of some groups because of whom the actual problems of our society were overshadowed. So yeah, we need to play a responsible role in the society and it will start from each person. And this group itself is a heavily male dominated forum and if everyone of the posters starts to respect their fellow females and treat them right Pakistan can go a long way.

Unfortunately here alone there are a number of misogynistic posters who do not realize the amount of deep rooted sexism they posses but it is a reflection of our society as a whole i guess.

Ok i am done with my thesis.
 

PM Shehbaz approves women’s inclusion on Privatisation Commission Board​


Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif on Tuesday approved the expansion of the Privatisation Commission Board, increasing its membership from eight to eleven, following the recommendations of the Privatisation Division.

The newly added seats will be allocated to women, fulfilling the prime minister's directive for greater female representation on significant national boards.

The decision, which aligns with PM Shehbaz’s commitment to gender inclusivity, was announced during a cabinet meeting held on International Women’s Day.

The PM Office Media Wing stated that this move is part of the government’s broader vision to ensure that women have a voice in the country’s key decision-making bodies.

In addition to the expansion of the board, the cabinet directed the continuation of measures to stabilise urea fertiliser prices and ensure an uninterrupted gas supply to urea manufacturing plants beyond September 2024.

The decision aligns with the Economic Coordination Committee's resolution from August 2.

The cabinet also ratified decisions from recent meetings, including those related to the privatisation of State-Owned Enterprises (SOEs), and directed the submission of a comprehensive plan for the approved privatisations.

Other approvals included the regularisation of daily-wage teachers in the Federal Directorate of Education and the signing of MoUs with Guatemala and Ecuador for political consultations.

 

Amna Baloch, Pakistan’s second female Foreign Secretary, takes charge​


Amna Baloch took charge as Pakistan’s 33rd Foreign Secretary on Wednesday, succeeding Ambassador Syrus Sajjad Qazi, who retired upon reaching superannuation.

Ambassador Syrus was honored with a formal farewell dinner at the Foreign Ministry on Tuesday night, recognising his professionalism and contributions as the 32nd Foreign Secretary.

Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar commended the outgoing Foreign Secretary for his adept handling of intricate global diplomacy with strategic insight and precision.

In his farewell address, he expressed deep gratitude to all who supported his career, including mentors, colleagues, and the dedicated teams he worked with.

He specifically thanked the ambassadors, staff, and members of the Foreign Secretary’s Office for their unwavering support and acknowledged the valuable guidance provided by the Foreign Ministers he served under.

Assuming the position in a period of considerable challenges, Ambassador Amna steps into the role with a wealth of experience.

She has held key positions in Pakistan’s diplomatic missions abroad.

Her previous roles include Consul General in Chengdu, China (2014-2017); High Commissioner to Malaysia (2019-2023); and Ambassador to the European Union, Belgium, and Luxembourg (2023-2024).

Amna’s appointment marks a significant moment, as she is the second female Foreign Secretary of Pakistan and the first from Sindh in a long time.

In February 2017, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif appointed Tehmina Janjua as Pakistan's Foreign Secretary, succeeding Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry.

This appointment marked Tehmina as the first woman to achieve the highest-ranking position in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Ambassador Amna is also noted for her work in promoting science diplomacy and enhancing educational ties between Pakistan and Europe.

With a Master’s degree in History, she joined the Foreign Service in 1991 and has served in various capacities, including as Joint Secretary at the Prime Minister’s Office and Additional Secretary in the Foreign Ministry.Her tenure is expected to provide stability to the office, with a term extending until September 2026.

 
OIC, MWL laud Pakistan for hosting Girls’ Education Conference

The Secretary General of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, Hissein Brahim Taha has appreciated Pakistan for its role in hosting the International Conference on Girls’ Education in Muslim Communities.

Moreover, Secretary General of the Muslim World League, Sheikh Dr. Muhammad Bin Abdul Karim Al-Issa has also commended in same remarks.

These remarks were made as the dignitaries concluded their visit to Islamabad, where they participated in an event that brought together more than 150 representatives from 44 Muslim and allied nations.

They expressed optimism that this initiative would stimulate collaborative efforts aimed at enhancing the quality of education and promoting women’s empowerment within the Muslim World.

Earlier, Nobel Peace Prize laureate Malala Yousafzai urged Muslim leaders not to “legitimise” the Afghan Taliban government and to “show true leadership” by opposing their curbs on women and girls’ education.

“Do not legitimise them,” she said at a summit on girls’ education in Muslim nations held in Pakistan’s capital Islamabad.

“As Muslim leaders, now is the time to raise your voices, use your power. You can show true leadership. You can show true Islam,” said 27-year-old Yousafzai.

The two-day conference has brought together ministers and education officials from dozens of Muslim-majority countries, backed by the Muslim World League.

 
PK women's rights groups are totally owned by the establishment and Foreign govts. If it suits an agenda they pipe up. Where have they been for the last 3 years?
 
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US-based Pakistani chef set to appear on popular American culinary show​


Maryam Ishtiaq, a Dallas-based Pakistani chef, has announced she will be a contestant on the upcoming season of the popular American culinary reality show, Next Level Chef.

The show, which will return for its fourth season on February 13 on Fox, is hosted by celebrated chefs Gordon Ramsay, Nyesha Arrington, and Richard Blais.

The 32-year-old chef, a self-taught culinary enthusiast, shared her excitement on Instagram, expressing pride in representing her community on an international platform. “My world is about to get rocked, and I couldn’t be more thrilled to represent my community on such a prominent platform while doing what I love most! Let’s do this!” she wrote.

Ishtiaq is the co-founder of Its Actually, an American food company specialising in halal broth. She has years of experience catering for large families and private events.

Ishtiaq revealed she had applied for Next Level Chef years ago and had forgotten about it until she unexpectedly received a call from the show’s staff. You go through multiple rounds of interviews, auditions, background checks,” she said.

Last month, Ishtiaq was also featured in Forbes, where she discussed her plans to open a café that caters to halal food while accommodating other dietary restrictions.

As Next Level Chef returns to television, viewers can expect to see Ishtiaq face off in culinary challenges alongside other talented chefs from around the world.

 
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