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How should Pakistani authorities deal with the religious establishment to stop spread of COVID-19?
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Every citizen of Pakistan must be encouraged to take responsibility. After the 20 point 'Ijma' on prayers in masajid, it is upto us to implement it. Such images must be tweeted to make us proud. Let us make discipline a norm rather than an exception. This is in Dhoraji Karachi. <a href="https://t.co/latslpOLjm">pic.twitter.com/latslpOLjm</a></p>— Dr. Arif Alvi (@ArifAlvi) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArifAlvi/status/1251873073441255430?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 19, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Since people over 50 are not allowed I am assuming Mufti Muneeb and Taqi Usmani will also offer their prayers from home and should be disallowed if they go to a mosque. Easiest way to see how strictly the rules are being followed.
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PM has directed release of all clerics, worshippers arrested for violating mosque restrictions: Awan
Special Assistant to the Prime Minister Minister on Information and Broadcasting Firdous Ashiq Awan said the premier has clearly given instructions for the release of all ulema, clerics and worshippers arrested by authorities all over the country for violating government's restrictions on congregational prayers in mosques.
Awan said the premier had already asked authorities to "treat ulema and worshippers softly".
Special Assistant to the Prime Minister Minister on Information and Broadcasting Firdous Ashiq Awan said the premier has clearly given instructions for the release of all ulema, clerics and worshippers arrested by authorities all over the country for violating government's restrictions on congregational prayers in mosques.
Awan said the premier had already asked authorities to "treat ulema and worshippers softly".
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PM Imran hopes all ulema and mosques will follow SOPs set for Ramazan: Qadri
Minister for Islamic Affairs Maulana Moorul Haq Qadri has said that Prime Minister imran Khan has expressed the hope that all ulema, mosques and citizens will follow the SOPs set for Ramazan.
In a press conference along with Special Assistant to Prime Minister on Information Firdous Ashiq Awan, Qadri said that the government hopes for full cooperation on the matter.
"Citizens should follow laws on their own as this is a free country, governments have to force laws upon citizens in countries that are not liberated," Awan said.
Minister for Islamic Affairs Maulana Moorul Haq Qadri has said that Prime Minister imran Khan has expressed the hope that all ulema, mosques and citizens will follow the SOPs set for Ramazan.
In a press conference along with Special Assistant to Prime Minister on Information Firdous Ashiq Awan, Qadri said that the government hopes for full cooperation on the matter.
"Citizens should follow laws on their own as this is a free country, governments have to force laws upon citizens in countries that are not liberated," Awan said.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In my discussions with Ulema for ensuring 20 point SOPs for Taraveeh, I had a talk with Mufti Muhammad Naeem of Jamia Binoria in Karachi yesterday. He informed me that he had sent an Arabic translation of our 'Ijma' of 20 points to Saudi Arabia. Ulema & Citizens must take lead.</p>— Dr. Arif Alvi (@ArifAlvi) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArifAlvi/status/1252543796543393792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 21, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Govt will be forced to take action if people don't observe action plan for mosques: PM
Prime Minister Imran Khan has urged the people to pray at their homes but said that if they wish to offer prayers in mosques, they will have to follow the 20-point action plan agreed between the government and the ulema.
While addressing the media, he cautioned that if people don't follow the said precautions and the virus spreads, "then we will have no choice but to take action and close mosques which nobody wants".
Prime Minister Imran Khan has urged the people to pray at their homes but said that if they wish to offer prayers in mosques, they will have to follow the 20-point action plan agreed between the government and the ulema.
While addressing the media, he cautioned that if people don't follow the said precautions and the virus spreads, "then we will have no choice but to take action and close mosques which nobody wants".
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'We are an independent nation' — PM Imran on why mosques will remain open in Pakistan
Prime Minister Imran Khan while responding to the discussion about mosques being closed in other Muslim countries but remaining open in Pakistan has said that "we are an independent nation".
"I felt very bad when I saw police beating up people. Ramazan is a month of worship, people want to go to mosques.
"Do we forcefully tell them to not go to mosques? And if they go, will the police put worshippers in jail? This does not happen in an independent nation."
Prime Minister Imran Khan while responding to the discussion about mosques being closed in other Muslim countries but remaining open in Pakistan has said that "we are an independent nation".
"I felt very bad when I saw police beating up people. Ramazan is a month of worship, people want to go to mosques.
"Do we forcefully tell them to not go to mosques? And if they go, will the police put worshippers in jail? This does not happen in an independent nation."
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Prime Minister Imran Khan on Tuesday said that Pakistan is "an independent nation" while addressing a question regarding the government's decision to continue to keep mosques open even as Muslim countries around the world have decided to keep them closed in view of the coronavirus pandemic.
"I felt very bad when I saw police beating up people. Ramazan is a month of worship, people want to go to mosques.
"Do we forcefully tell them to not go to mosques? And if they go, will the police put worshippers in jail? This does not happen in an independent society. In an independent society [we] make people come together. In an independent society, people use their independent minds and then decide what is better for the country and what is not," the premier said.
He reiterated that the nation was "fighting against the coronavirus together". The prime minister also clarified that the government will be forced to review its decision if worshippers fail to follow the 20 guidelines agreed upon by religious scholars.
"I would urge people to pray at home but if you want to go to mosques, keep in mind that you will have to follow these 20 points," he said. "If [these points] are not followed and if this virus spreads through any mosque in Ramazan then we will have no choice — and this has been agreed upon — but to take action and close [the mosques]."
Minister rebukes India over 'ridiculous narrative'
Planning Minister Asad Umar, who is also heading the National Command and Operations Centre (NCOC), told the media that recommendations to implement a "smart lockdown" have been discussed with provincial chief ministers, health ministers, and chief and health secretaries.
He said that a structure has been made that will enable the targetted lockdown to be implemented on all levels, from provinces to Union Committees.
The minister said that the government was mobilising all resources available and expressed the hope that once the new system was implemented, citizens would be able to work and economic activities in the country can resume.
Umar also addressed the "ridiculous narrative" that is being propagated by the Indian media that Pakistan, through Azad Jammu and Kashmir, was sending infected people to India in order to spread the novel coronavirus.
"What Mr Modi did by gathering 10,000-15,000 people in one place — Pakistan does not need to do anything and nor do we [intend to].
"For God's sake, take care of your citizens. First, you blamed Muslims as if this (virus) was spread by them, now you are blaming Pakistan — stop this, take care of your citizens and we will take care of ours," he said, addressing the Indian leadership.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1551093/w...sponds-to-questions-over-keeping-mosques-open
"I felt very bad when I saw police beating up people. Ramazan is a month of worship, people want to go to mosques.
"Do we forcefully tell them to not go to mosques? And if they go, will the police put worshippers in jail? This does not happen in an independent society. In an independent society [we] make people come together. In an independent society, people use their independent minds and then decide what is better for the country and what is not," the premier said.
He reiterated that the nation was "fighting against the coronavirus together". The prime minister also clarified that the government will be forced to review its decision if worshippers fail to follow the 20 guidelines agreed upon by religious scholars.
"I would urge people to pray at home but if you want to go to mosques, keep in mind that you will have to follow these 20 points," he said. "If [these points] are not followed and if this virus spreads through any mosque in Ramazan then we will have no choice — and this has been agreed upon — but to take action and close [the mosques]."
Minister rebukes India over 'ridiculous narrative'
Planning Minister Asad Umar, who is also heading the National Command and Operations Centre (NCOC), told the media that recommendations to implement a "smart lockdown" have been discussed with provincial chief ministers, health ministers, and chief and health secretaries.
He said that a structure has been made that will enable the targetted lockdown to be implemented on all levels, from provinces to Union Committees.
The minister said that the government was mobilising all resources available and expressed the hope that once the new system was implemented, citizens would be able to work and economic activities in the country can resume.
Umar also addressed the "ridiculous narrative" that is being propagated by the Indian media that Pakistan, through Azad Jammu and Kashmir, was sending infected people to India in order to spread the novel coronavirus.
"What Mr Modi did by gathering 10,000-15,000 people in one place — Pakistan does not need to do anything and nor do we [intend to].
"For God's sake, take care of your citizens. First, you blamed Muslims as if this (virus) was spread by them, now you are blaming Pakistan — stop this, take care of your citizens and we will take care of ours," he said, addressing the Indian leadership.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1551093/w...sponds-to-questions-over-keeping-mosques-open
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In foreboding letter, doctors urge govt to take back decision to allow congregational prayers
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A group of senior doctors in Pakistan and abroad on Tuesday wrote a letter to the government, urging it to review its decision to allow congregational prayers to be held in mosques and limit the prayers to 3-5 persons as it had done previously in view of the coronavirus outbreak.
The letter, the veracity of which was confirmed to Dawn.com by Indus Hospital CEO Dr Abdul Bari Khan, has also been addressed to the ulema and business community. While thanking the government and ulema for developing a consensus over the issue, the letter has listed the medical community's "strong reservations" over the decision to allow prayer congregations.
On Saturday, President Dr Arif Alvi had announced that neither the state machinery nor clerics would stop citizens from visiting mosques as the government accepted almost all demands of the clerics related to the holding of Friday, Tara*weeh and daily congregational prayers with the condition of social distancing and other precautionary measures.
But the letter written by the doctors warned that with mosques across the country being filled predominantly by people over the age of 50, the risk of the virus spreading is high. It said videos that surfaced in the past 48 hours had shown that more than 80 per cent of the people attending prayers in mosques were mostly in their 60s and 70s.
"Clearly this has resulted in the violation of the first and foremost principle of preventing the spread of the virus in the most vulnerable group" of elderly people, stated the letter, which has been endorsed by the Pakistan Islamic Medical Association (PIMA).
"With Ramazan approaching, we would understandably expect higher number of namazis (worshippers) attending the prayers. Moreover, long Taraweeh prayers and waiting times will lead to prolonged gatherings. It is all but certain that this will cause significant mayhem, as the mosques practising social distancing will only be able to accommodate 20-25pc of the regular namazis, which will further worsen the situation," it added.
According to the letter, the mismanagement could also result in conflicts between worshipers, mosque administrations and law enforcement agencies, as observed in some areas of Karachi recently.
Hospitals in Karachi have started experiencing a "significant influx of corona positive patients", the communique reveals, adding: "We anticipate these numbers and resultant mortality to expand exponentially in the next few days."
"This will undeniably result in significant pressure on our already compromised health system."
The doctors explained that increased exposure to the virus increases the likelihood of getting infected and, as a consequence, of complications and death. "We fear that allowing congregational prayers in larger number in our mosques may contribute to such fatal outcomes," the letter states.
It expressed the fear that all of the above issues will have the combined effect of jeopardising the "reputation of Islam and that of our ulema" and will lead to "unwanted loss of lives".
The letter has been signed by the following doctors:
Dr Abdul Bari Khan, Karachi
Dr Faisal Mahmood, Karachi
Dr Khurram Khan, London
Dr Shamvil Ashraf, Karachi
Dr Saad Niaz, Karachi
Dr Abdul Basit, Karachi
Dr Hanif Chatni, Karachi
Dr Muhammad Razi, Mirpurkhas
Dr Fareed Shah, Madina
Dr Zahid Jamal, Karachi
Dr Yahya Chawla, Karachi
Dr Mughees, Makkah
Dr Raza Sayyed, Karachi
The letter, the veracity of which was confirmed to Dawn.com by Indus Hospital CEO Dr Abdul Bari Khan, has also been addressed to the ulema and business community. While thanking the government and ulema for developing a consensus over the issue, the letter has listed the medical community's "strong reservations" over the decision to allow prayer congregations.
On Saturday, President Dr Arif Alvi had announced that neither the state machinery nor clerics would stop citizens from visiting mosques as the government accepted almost all demands of the clerics related to the holding of Friday, Tara*weeh and daily congregational prayers with the condition of social distancing and other precautionary measures.
But the letter written by the doctors warned that with mosques across the country being filled predominantly by people over the age of 50, the risk of the virus spreading is high. It said videos that surfaced in the past 48 hours had shown that more than 80 per cent of the people attending prayers in mosques were mostly in their 60s and 70s.
"Clearly this has resulted in the violation of the first and foremost principle of preventing the spread of the virus in the most vulnerable group" of elderly people, stated the letter, which has been endorsed by the Pakistan Islamic Medical Association (PIMA).
"With Ramazan approaching, we would understandably expect higher number of namazis (worshippers) attending the prayers. Moreover, long Taraweeh prayers and waiting times will lead to prolonged gatherings. It is all but certain that this will cause significant mayhem, as the mosques practising social distancing will only be able to accommodate 20-25pc of the regular namazis, which will further worsen the situation," it added.
According to the letter, the mismanagement could also result in conflicts between worshipers, mosque administrations and law enforcement agencies, as observed in some areas of Karachi recently.
Hospitals in Karachi have started experiencing a "significant influx of corona positive patients", the communique reveals, adding: "We anticipate these numbers and resultant mortality to expand exponentially in the next few days."
"This will undeniably result in significant pressure on our already compromised health system."
The doctors explained that increased exposure to the virus increases the likelihood of getting infected and, as a consequence, of complications and death. "We fear that allowing congregational prayers in larger number in our mosques may contribute to such fatal outcomes," the letter states.
It expressed the fear that all of the above issues will have the combined effect of jeopardising the "reputation of Islam and that of our ulema" and will lead to "unwanted loss of lives".
The letter has been signed by the following doctors:
Dr Abdul Bari Khan, Karachi
Dr Faisal Mahmood, Karachi
Dr Khurram Khan, London
Dr Shamvil Ashraf, Karachi
Dr Saad Niaz, Karachi
Dr Abdul Basit, Karachi
Dr Hanif Chatni, Karachi
Dr Muhammad Razi, Mirpurkhas
Dr Fareed Shah, Madina
Dr Zahid Jamal, Karachi
Dr Yahya Chawla, Karachi
Dr Mughees, Makkah
Dr Raza Sayyed, Karachi
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As 50 doctors in Pakistan write a letter criticising the Govt's decision allowing communal prayers in Ramadan (w/ some conditions), the Religious Affairs Minister admits to us it's a "risky decision" but denies the Govt is "surrendering" to clerics.. says rules can be reviewed <a href="https://t.co/qWXo3wiUeR">pic.twitter.com/qWXo3wiUeR</a></p>— Secunder Kermani (@SecKermani) <a href="https://twitter.com/SecKermani/status/1252892698241044480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2020</a></blockquote>
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All SOPs being followed at Lahore's Badshahi Mosque, says khateeb
Maulana Abdul Khabeer Azad, the khateeb of Lahore's Badshahi Mosque, said that all of the government's standard operating procedures for curbing the spread of the coronavirus were being followed.
In a statement, he urged other mosques to follow suit. "I urge all those mosques violating the government's directives to refrain from doing so in order to protect people's health."
He added that if the current situation persists, then Eidul Fitr prayers will also be held according to the government's directives.
Maulana Abdul Khabeer Azad, the khateeb of Lahore's Badshahi Mosque, said that all of the government's standard operating procedures for curbing the spread of the coronavirus were being followed.
In a statement, he urged other mosques to follow suit. "I urge all those mosques violating the government's directives to refrain from doing so in order to protect people's health."
He added that if the current situation persists, then Eidul Fitr prayers will also be held according to the government's directives.
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Shia clerics insist on bringing out processions
ISLAMABAD: Several Shia groups have conveyed to the government that they will bring out processions to commemorate the martyrdom of Hazrat Ali and it cannot ban them.
The resolve was expressed by top Shia clerics belonging to different religio-political groups during a meeting with Minister for Religious Affairs Pir Noor-ul-Haq Qadri here on Friday. The Shia clerics belonging to Sindh and Punjab participated in the meeting through video link.
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ISLAMABAD: Several Shia groups have conveyed to the government that they will bring out processions to commemorate the martyrdom of Hazrat Ali and it cannot ban them.
The resolve was expressed by top Shia clerics belonging to different religio-political groups during a meeting with Minister for Religious Affairs Pir Noor-ul-Haq Qadri here on Friday. The Shia clerics belonging to Sindh and Punjab participated in the meeting through video link.
The minister said the current situation required the protection of people from coronavirus and it should be the top priority. He said that permission for the processions would be granted after consultation with the provinces.
The meeting was called to discuss the mourning processions and gatherings related to the martyrdom of Hazrat Ali falling on May 13 to 15 (19th to 21st Ramazan).
While the Sindh government took the decision to ban the processions on April 28, the leaders of Shia groups expressed their defiance only two days ago.
“This created a conflict-like situation. The government should have controlled the social media activism by sectarian groups,” said a senior Shia cleric. He said some proscribed groups had issued provocative and derogatory statements on social media following the Sindh government’s decision.
During the meeting, Mr Qadri lauded the clerics’ role and said religious circles had largely implemented the 20-point action plan agreed between the government and ulema. He praised the managements of Shia mosques for abiding by the directives.
The meeting was attended by Majlis Wahdatul Muslimeen head Allama Nasir Abbas, Shia Ulema Council secretary general Allama Arif Wahidi and Tehreek Nifaz-i-Fiqah Jafaria (TNFJ) senior leaders Allama Basharat Imami and Allama Qamar Zaidi.
Allama Nasir Abbas and Allama Arif Wahidi pointed out that President Arif Alvi had announced that the processions commemorating the martyrdom of Hazrat Ali too would be allowed following the SOPs agreed under the 20-point action plan.
However, Allama Qamar Zaidi told the religious affairs minister that the TNFJ would not accept any obstruction or binding to restrict the processions.
The meeting was called to discuss the mourning processions and gatherings related to the martyrdom of Hazrat Ali falling on May 13 to 15 (19th to 21st Ramazan).
While the Sindh government took the decision to ban the processions on April 28, the leaders of Shia groups expressed their defiance only two days ago.
“This created a conflict-like situation. The government should have controlled the social media activism by sectarian groups,” said a senior Shia cleric. He said some proscribed groups had issued provocative and derogatory statements on social media following the Sindh government’s decision.
During the meeting, Mr Qadri lauded the clerics’ role and said religious circles had largely implemented the 20-point action plan agreed between the government and ulema. He praised the managements of Shia mosques for abiding by the directives.
The meeting was attended by Majlis Wahdatul Muslimeen head Allama Nasir Abbas, Shia Ulema Council secretary general Allama Arif Wahidi and Tehreek Nifaz-i-Fiqah Jafaria (TNFJ) senior leaders Allama Basharat Imami and Allama Qamar Zaidi.
Allama Nasir Abbas and Allama Arif Wahidi pointed out that President Arif Alvi had announced that the processions commemorating the martyrdom of Hazrat Ali too would be allowed following the SOPs agreed under the 20-point action plan.
However, Allama Qamar Zaidi told the religious affairs minister that the TNFJ would not accept any obstruction or binding to restrict the processions.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In this holy month of Ramadan make your homes your Mosque. But in case of praying at the Mosque, it is necessary to strictly follow the safety measures provided by the government. Keeping yourself & your loved ones safe during <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Corona?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Corona</a> is a social & a sacred responsibility. <a href="https://t.co/A2RBFPgkoz">pic.twitter.com/A2RBFPgkoz</a></p>— Prime Minister's Office, Pakistan (@PakPMO) <a href="https://twitter.com/PakPMO/status/1259163333527306241?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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