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How would you rate PMLN's Government Performance from 2013-2018?

How would you rate PMLN's Government Performance from 2013-18

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So their tenure is finally ending in 2 days. I guess it's time evaluate their performance.
 
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From the outside, it seemed like Pakistan was a live car crash during the previous PPP government (2008 - 2013), so credit to PML (N) for stabilizing things somewhat, even if there were other problems which have no doubt been amply documented on this forum and elsewhere.
 
7/10.

They have done a good job overall, certainly much better than PPP. I think due to lack of alternatives, I might vote for them this time.
 
Poor. They failed to meet their own standards, enough said. There 2013 manifesto is available online, people can go through it and decide for themselves.

an independent think tank has said that the incumbent government underperformed during the ongoing tenure and failed to fully implement its election manifesto on the economic front, hardly achieving six of the 89 goals.

Even in areas where it had initially shown some progress, the performance deteriorated during January-June period of 2017, says the report from the Islamabad-based Policy Research Institute of Market Economy (PRIME).

The PRIME report gauges the economic performance of the ruling party on the basis of implementation of its economic manifesto announced before the elections. It is the ninth such report covering January-June period of the fourth year of the PML-N government.
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Pathetic!Failed to make improvements in healthcare and there are still 10 million out-of-school children in Punjab.
 
saeedhk said:
Pathetic!Failed to make improvements in healthcare and there are still 10 million out-of-school children in Punjab.
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Someone should prepare a thread about all their fake promises that they failed to deliver.
 
PPP government (2008-2013) was 2/10
PML-N government (2013-2018) was 3/10

So barely any improvement and not enough.
 
What happened to these 1000 schools Maryam father was supposed to open in KPK? That too in only PMLN pro districts.

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What happened to these 40 or 46 state of the art hospitals?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">40 state of the art hospitals to be built in districts lacking health facilities across Pak. Functional in 2017. <a href="https://t.co/htJHBOJx3r">https://t.co/htJHBOJx3r</a></p>— Maryam Nawaz Sharif (@MaryamNSharif) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif/status/771706402876383232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cost of all state-of-the-art 46 hospitals across Pakistan will be borne by federal government. To be completed before April 2018 Insha'Allah</p>— Maryam Nawaz Sharif (@MaryamNSharif) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif/status/774597114231975936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Mian said:
What happened to these 40 or 46 state of the art hospitals?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">40 state of the art hospitals to be built in districts lacking health facilities across Pak. Functional in 2017. <a href="https://t.co/htJHBOJx3r">https://t.co/htJHBOJx3r</a></p>— Maryam Nawaz Sharif (@MaryamNSharif) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif/status/771706402876383232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cost of all state-of-the-art 46 hospitals across Pakistan will be borne by federal government. To be completed before April 2018 Insha'Allah</p>— Maryam Nawaz Sharif (@MaryamNSharif) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif/status/774597114231975936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Don't ask negative questions :afridi
 
Mian sahab maybe our friend will show up and write long posts as to why these hospitals couldn't be built due to deep state sazish :yk
 
Syed1 said:
Mian sahab maybe our friend will show up and write long posts as to why these hospitals couldn't be built due to deep state sazish :yk
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any idea about 1000s of schools they were suppose to open in pro pmln district of KPK? ya wo be deep state le uri!
 
So PIA was also going to be back on track? right?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PIA acquiring new aircrafts. To ensure absolute transparency,as per PM's desire,bid opening was done in the presence of media. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/welldonepmln?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#welldonepmln</a></p>— Maryam Nawaz Sharif (@MaryamNSharif) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif/status/444511631977222144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PIA will soon be back on track InshaAllah. Prime Minister NS determined to restore its lost glory. Transparency ensured at evry step <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PMLN?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PMLN</a></p>— Maryam Nawaz Sharif (@MaryamNSharif) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif/status/444512856542048256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Mian said:
So PIA was also going to be back on track? right?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PIA acquiring new aircrafts. To ensure absolute transparency,as per PM's desire,bid opening was done in the presence of media. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/welldonepmln?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#welldonepmln</a></p>— Maryam Nawaz Sharif (@MaryamNSharif) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif/status/444511631977222144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PIA will soon be back on track InshaAllah. Prime Minister NS determined to restore its lost glory. Transparency ensured at evry step <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PMLN?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PMLN</a></p>— Maryam Nawaz Sharif (@MaryamNSharif) <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif/status/444512856542048256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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What happened to the super high end service by PIA and #Brand Nawaz Sharif
 
Syed1 said:
What happened to the super high end service by PIA and #Brand Nawaz Sharif
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Uska chatha chitha aajkal CJ khol raha he from last 10 years kisne kitna khaya or kitna maal banaya!
 
What happened to 500k homes for poors?

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Maryam Nawaz Sharif promised to get rid of circular debt in 60 days but instead of that it is doubled in last 5 yrs and stands at Rs 922 bn.

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I hope "khaata he to lagata be hai" and "immy ne KP main kia kerlya" brigade shows up their face and answer the questions i raised above.
 
PMLN were in someway lucky that oil prices were down a lot for most of their term otherwise the situation as bad it is would be even worse in terms of foreign debt, circular debt etc. I hope if PTI comes to power they are able to cancel or negotiate some of the outrageously stupid and expensive power purchase agreements PPP and PMLN have both made over the years. Sadly though with the already large power capacity shortfall we don't have much of negotiating power and it could make the power supply situation worse resulting in PTI losing support.
 
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Summary of PMLN economy performance above.
Please note the above chart does not include the years 2017 and 2018. Admittedly, the performance in those two years were far worse and above are supposed to be golden years of PMLN current government.

So lets analyse the numbers here. Trade deficit has widened over the years which has resulted from drop in exports and steady imports. We understand that the drop in exports continued in 2017 and 2018 and with increase in oil prices the overall imports will result in imports value to increase in future suggesting a much wider trade deficit (not a good sign for future).

The exchange rate has depreciated over the years and as I type the current rate is around 115 Rs for 1 USD. This is not a good sign for future considering heavy debts the country has got. The depreciation of currency means an increase in overall debt payments and burden.

The GDP growth rate has been around 4-4.5% during their tenure and never touched anything over 5%, however in their manifesto they promised a GDP growth rate of over 6% and practically speaking we need to increase the growth rate of GDP for the economy to survive. The unemployment rate at the time of their setup was 6% and currently also stands at 6% with no change.

Overall, the economy outlook of Pakistan isn't that great. With increase in imports and falling exports the country is burdening itself with borrowings to meet current trade deficits and there might come a time when the realistic payments of these borrowed amounts would not be possible. Not sure what will happen then but until that time the economy will go further bleak.

I have one big question with PMLN's government. Where did the borrowed money go? Like any setup you borrow money invest in your resources, make money from your resources and then repay the borrowed amount. But I'm not sure where did PMLN invested all that borrowed money into? Surely if they invested in agriculture, tourism, service sector then they should have had a plan on how to repay this amount.
 
People saying they were better than PPP. :)) PMLN never had to face the daily terrorism, tens of thousands of deaths, a big swathe of the country in Taliban's hands and our very national integrity at stake so ofcourse even a chimpanzee would have done better.

I also noted Abdul's vote, the same guy who was bashing Amir mercilessly saying he doesn't stand for fixers yet here is praising killers and looters who have raped our nation ten times over. I mean you can't take these people seriously :))
 
Pakpak said:
People saying they were better than PPP. :)) PMLN never had to face the daily terrorism, tens of thousands of deaths, a big swathe of the country in Taliban's hands and our very national integrity at stake so ofcourse even a chimpanzee would have done better.
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PPP was in govt when oil prices were really high and a global crisis was on still our exports were high and deficit was low
 
Mian said:
And finally their tenure is ending in 2 and a half hour.
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Some sort of justice in the world, they came as all supreme and now are leaving as criminals and convicts. Absolutely glorious. :))
 
Pakpak said:
Some sort of justice in the world, they came as all supreme and now are leaving as criminals and convicts. Absolutely glorious. :))
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lol yea bakre ki maa kab tak khaer manaayegi aik din to churi ke neeche ayega!
 
Noora Goverment was almost certainly multiple times worse than PPP.

The Nooras enjoyed 3 huge advantages which gave it a massive head start over the PPP government. They are the following:

1) PML-N was extremely fortunate that for majority of its tenure the world economy was actually doing really well. As a result there was a great chance to piggy back off the positive global sentiment. On the other hand, during PPP's times the global economy had crashed and was going through its worst period since the 1920s.

2) PML-N was extremely fortunate that during its tenure, crude oil hovered around $50-$60 per barrel. At one point it was as low as the mid $30s. Due to this our import bill was significantly manageable and gave us a golden opportunity to correct our trade imbalance. During PPP's time, barring the first year or so, crude oil hovered all over $100 per barrel resulting in crucial foreign exchange being eaten away.

3) PML-N was fortunate that during its tenure the CPEC projects started which brought in jobs and future sources of energy. And at the worst, generated a good feeling about the economy. Let's be honest here - PML-N had absolutely NOTHING to do with CPEC and the fact that it happened. PML-N was just fortunate to be at the right place at the right time. Regardless of who was in Goverment it was going to start when it did and in any case the Army took ownership of that in terms of security and ensuring safe execution.

However, despite these HUGE advantages at its disposal, PML-N failed to make them count which is why I will argue that PML-N was a greater disaster than PPP.
 
Mamoon said:
7/10.

They have done a good job overall, certainly much better than PPP. I think due to lack of alternatives, I might vote for them this time.
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I disagree - if you take into account the global conditions both faced.

In any case. Their only real achievement is getting power projects started through CPEC which really doesn't have a lot to do with them we both know
 
Slog said:
Noora Goverment was almost certainly multiple times worse than PPP.

The Nooras enjoyed 3 huge advantages which gave it a massive head start over the PPP government. They are the following:

1) PML-N was extremely fortunate that for majority of its tenure the world economy was actually doing really well. As a result there was a great chance to piggy back off the positive global sentiment. On the other hand, during PPP's times the global economy had crashed and was going through its worst period since the 1920s.

2) PML-N was extremely fortunate that during its tenure, crude oil hovered around $50-$60 per barrel. At one point it was as low as the mid $30s. Due to this our import bill was significantly manageable and gave us a golden opportunity to correct our trade imbalance. During PPP's time, barring the first year or so, crude oil hovered all over $100 per barrel resulting in crucial foreign exchange being eaten away.

3) PML-N was fortunate that during its tenure the CPEC projects started which brought in jobs and future sources of energy. And at the worst, generated a good feeling about the economy. Let's be honest here - PML-N had absolutely NOTHING to do with CPEC and the fact that it happened. PML-N was just fortunate to be at the right place at the right time. Regardless of who was in Goverment it was going to start when it did and in any case the Army took ownership of that in terms of security and ensuring safe execution.

However, despite these HUGE advantages at its disposal, PML-N failed to make them count which is why I will argue that PML-N was a greater disaster than PPP.
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I will add one more thing to this - Terrorism during PPP's time was sky high and not at all comparable to what PML-N has faced. And credit for that goes to Raheel Sharif and the Army.
 
With oil prices low compared to what the PPP faced, it will go down as a golden opportunity wasted By these duffers.
 
It's not their fault that Nawaz wasn't even allowed to govern properly because there was always some kind of turmoil and still they have managed to better than PPP. During PPP rule, Pakistan was one of the most dangerous countries in the world and they have done well to recover from that.
 
Patwari said:
It's not their fault that Nawaz wasn't even allowed to govern properly because there was always some kind of turmoil and still they have managed to better than PPP. During PPP rule, Pakistan was one of the most dangerous countries in the world and they have done well to recover from that.
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Out of the 4 years the duffer was in power this time he spent close to a year abroad and you have the audacity to claim he wasnt allowed to govern properly. The pathetic excuses of gormless Nooras have no ending.
 
Patwari said:
It's not their fault that Nawaz wasn't even allowed to govern properly because there was always some kind of turmoil and still they have managed to better than PPP. During PPP rule, Pakistan was one of the most dangerous countries in the world and they have done well to recover from that.
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Why not resign and go home if you can't do your job properly? Reason is simple because they don't care about governance they only care about corruption
 
His only fault was that he wanted good relations with India which many people didn't want. If Pak manages to get good relations with India, They could become an emerging country but your leader I(Taliban)mran Khan is more interested in rejuvenating relations with a useless and possibly the worst country on the earth Afghanistan.
 
Maryam stole US$70 million given to her by Michelle Obama for female education.

How can a person defend such a party?
This money was for our future generation.Shameful!

PML-N supporters have no right to talk about morals or ethics when they have the likes of Malik Ahmed Saeed, Rana Sana and other rapists and killers amongst their midst.
 
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I would say good only because they took decisive action in Karachi. Before 2013 there would be 10-15 "target killings" in Karachi everyday and you feared for your family or loved ones could become another statistic. PMLN allowed army to do it's thing and there is some level of stability in Karachi... now only if PPP can be decimated completely in 2018....
 
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I would say good only because they took decisive action in Karachi. Before 2013 there would be 10-15 "target killings" in Karachi everyday and you feared for your family or loved ones could become another statistic. PMLN allowed army to do it's thing and there is some level of stability in Karachi... now only if PPP can be decimated completely in 2018....
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Noon league taking the credit for Karachi situation :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
 
Syed1 said:
Noon league taking the credit for Karachi situation :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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There is no credit taking, it is what it is. During the PPP era Karachi was the wild wild west, atleast noon did not stop the rangers and army from doing what the police in Sindh was incapable of doing.
 
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There is no credit taking, it is what it is. During the PPP era Karachi was the wild wild west, atleast noon did not stop the rangers and army from doing what the police in Sindh was incapable of doing.
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Army took that action

Lol at N League taking that action
 
Extra_Cover said:
A very good and detailed read of PMLN performance during the year. I encourage everybody to read this repot as it touches on key economic factors that would hamper the life of average Pakistani but since these factors are not tangible like metro bus the masses are not aware of economic burden heading their way.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1411975/t...ifesto-how-many-of-those-promises-did-it-keep
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Seems like the only achievement of this government was to control the rate of food inflation. The government’s lack of vision on environmental protection is very disturbing. No wonder why so many people are dying of heatstroke.
 
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Seems like the only achievement of this government was to control the rate of food inflation. The government’s lack of vision on environmental protection is very disturbing. No wonder why so many people are dying of heatstroke.
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And its very important to note that the relative control over inflation is mainly due to decline in oil prices around the world.

PMLN had no say in the control of global oil prices. In my view, PMLN were very lucky with CPEC, declining oil prices and Army operation to eradicate terrorism and instil peace across the country. With all these mentioned factors, PMLN were still not able to meet their manifesto promises then this just highlights how poor and incapable they were during this tenure.

Let me bring forward couple of key points from the report.

1. Education and health: PMLN in their manifesto mentioned to contribute 4% and 2% of annual GDP into education and health respectively each year. Result: An average of 2% and 0.9% were contributed each year into education and health respectively.

Now this criteria shows their real intention. The main issue of Pakistan is education and health and not having metro trains! This is a real failure of this Government which was unable to invest in its own people.

2. Fiscal Deficit: PMLN in their manifesto mentioned to eliminate VIP culture and launch an austerity drive. Expenses related to the presidency, prime minister, governors and chief ministers will be significantly reduced. Result: Contrary to the promises, the budget for the Prime Minister’s Office went up consistently. In fact, the budget each year had to be revised and increased.

The above are some extracts of their promises not delivered, I would highly recommend to read through the report as it outlines key failures of the Government.

One thing not mentioned in the report is the water crisis that has engulfed the nation currently. I'm not sure how much of the budget is allocated in meeting requirements for sustainable environment and what are the developments carried during their tenure to ensure safe drinking tap water but I won't be surprised if this is not even mentioned in their past budgets as money spent on necessities are not as glamorous or a USP like metro train.
 
So there are 3 posters here who actually think they did a good job? :facepalm:
 
Shaer aik vaari faer!
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Visited Jinnah hospital Lahore & experienced the miserable facilities to the patients in different wards,Broken beds &#55357;&#57039; were for patients,Witnessed many patients were lying outside wards,ppl were smoking all around the hospital,Senior Dr were not available,stinking atmosphere</p>— Mohammad Hafeez (@MHafeez22) <a href="https://twitter.com/MHafeez22/status/1007645985047285760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shocked to c Govt hospitals facilities , Mostly politicians & dignitaries who can afford to go abroad they go abroad for medical issues along with their families what about Pakistan &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816; ppl <a href="https://twitter.com/CMShehbaz?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CMShehbaz</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MaryamNSharif</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> & Cheif Justice Saqib Nisar sb</p>— Mohammad Hafeez (@MHafeez22) <a href="https://twitter.com/MHafeez22/status/1007654892931026945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Mian said:
Shaer aik vaari faer!
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shocked to c Govt hospitals facilities , Mostly politicians & dignitaries who can afford to go abroad they go abroad for medical issues along with their families what about Pakistan ���� ppl <a href="https://twitter.com/CMShehbaz?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CMShehbaz</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MaryamNSharif?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MaryamNSharif</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> & Cheif Justice Saqib Nisar sb</p>— Mohammad Hafeez (@MHafeez22) <a href="https://twitter.com/MHafeez22/status/1007654892931026945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Mian said:
Come on Professor Hafeez is a junooni!
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I welcome both of you as well as Hafeez to come to Peshawar and visit the two biggest govt. hospitals in the province - LRH and KTH, and see the state of affairs first-hand.

However, none of you are up for the challenge.
 
One of our biggest problems is that we are happy to blame the governments but don’t strive to change ourselves.

For example, it is undeniable fact that PML-N generated 10,000 MW electricity, and if has been verified by an independent body.

However, it is also an undeniable fact that more than half of Pakistan doesn’t pay electricity bills.

If you are not paying bills, and if you are not paying taxes, how do you expect electricity and development?
 
Mamoon said:
I welcome both of you as well as Hafeez to come to Peshawar and visit the two biggest govt. hospitals in the province - LRH and KTH, and see the state of affairs first-hand.

However, none of you are up for the challenge.
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We dont need Hafeez to go to Peshawar, we have a Doctor that works in Peshawar who doesnt have to seek attention by making up stuff. Btw, after you avoided the saplings challenge, why have you avoided defending Showbiz after his blatant theft of 400crore. Why no comment? Afterall, you often say how good his performance is and you would vote for the crook.
 
You have to be a truly corrupt human being to keep on defending the thieves who have raped the country.

Blaming people for not paying tax or for utilities again shows their desperation. Corruption starts at the very top. Cut the head of the snake and make institutions strong then we’ll see who doesn’t pay taxes or for their electricity.
 
Mamoon said:
One of our biggest problems is that we are happy to blame the governments but don’t strive to change ourselves.

For example, it is undeniable fact that PML-N generated 10,000 MW electricity, and if has been verified by an independent body.

However, it is also an undeniable fact that more than half of Pakistan doesn’t pay electricity bills.

If you are not paying bills, and if you are not paying taxes, how do you expect electricity and development?
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Generated electricity but forgot to upgrade the transmission lines so the generated electricity is useless. A schoolboy error by an experienced party?

And i pay my bill all my street and mohalla pay bills why we have to suffer this azaab of load shading because of the others who are not paying bills in my city?
 
Mamoon said:
I welcome both of you as well as Hafeez to come to Peshawar and visit the two biggest govt. hospitals in the province - LRH and KTH, and see the state of affairs first-hand.

However, none of you are up for the challenge.
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We have a KP doctor here who is working there and giving us fat better insight not someone who is sitting overseas from last few years and commenting on our internal issues. He use to bash overseas Pakistanis for doing same
 
IMMY69 said:
You have to be a truly corrupt human being to keep on defending the thieves who have raped the country.

Blaming people for not paying tax or for utilities again shows their desperation. Corruption starts at the very top. Cut the head of the snake and make institutions strong then we’ll see who doesn’t pay taxes or for their electricity.
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This is what people don’t understand. Politics is not a top-down process, it is bottom-up. The reason why PTI fans believe in top-bottom process is because this is the only way they can defend Imran’s decision to give tickets to crooks, frauds and tried and tested failures under the guise of “electables”.

The excuse is that since Imran is clean, he will inspire others to work for the betterment of Pakistan and change their colors after getting dry cleaned.

Our governments are corrupt because people our corrupt. We cannot expect change, when we don’t want to spearhead that change ourselves.
 
Mian said:
Generated electricity but forgot to upgrade the transmission lines so the generated electricity is useless. A schoolboy error by an experienced party?

And i pay my bill all my street and mohalla pay bills why we have to suffer this azaab of load shading because of the others who are not paying bills in my city?
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Yes they haven’t upgraded the grids which is their negligence, but we have 28,000 MW electricity now, and the demand is 21,000 MW.

Moreover, they have generated more electricity than over the last five years than any other government.
 
Mian said:
We have a KP doctor here who is working there and giving us fat better insight not someone who is sitting overseas from last few years and commenting on our internal issues. He use to bash overseas Pakistanis for doing same
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I have come through the same system and I am heading back there. You can believe what you want, but the fact is that they have failed to make improvements and live up to their promises.
 
Bewal Express said:
We dont need Hafeez to go to Peshawar, we have a Doctor that works in Peshawar who doesnt have to seek attention by making up stuff. Btw, after you avoided the saplings challenge, why have you avoided defending Showbiz after his blatant theft of 400crore. Why no comment? Afterall, you often say how good his performance is and you would vote for the crook.
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As expected, you are not up for the challenge. Keep believing that they have transformed hospitals in KP.
 
Mamoon said:
As expected, you are not up for the challenge. Keep believing that they have transformed hospitals in KP.
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I think whats not up to challenge is your evasion skills, why are you evading the blatant theft of 400crore by SHOWBIZ and friends? As far as the hospital goes, i rather trust a Doc that works in Peshawar than a guy that spends his time defending thieves and murderers.
 
Mamoon said:
As expected, you are not up for the challenge. Keep believing that they have transformed hospitals in KP.
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It's been months you are running away from sapling challenge you never showed your face again there
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
400 crore from the poorest people needed clean water, are you not upto the challenge to defend your crook? And for once i hope the mods dont step in to protect you like in the saplings challenge.
 
Corruption starts from the people?!?!?!

Arrh how stupid of me.
Guys start paying your taxes and utility bills, stop bribing the police etc and then the politicians will stop thieving and carrying out fraud to the tune of billions and billions of dollars.
 
IMMY69 said:
Corruption starts from the people?!?!?!

Arrh how stupid of me.
Guys start paying your taxes and utility bills, stop bribing the police etc and then the politicians will stop thieving and carrying out fraud to the tune of billions and billions of dollars.
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When people sort themselves out and begin to fulfill their obligations, things eventually fall in place.

There is not a single prosperous country in the world where the majority of the people are corrupt.

Put faith in democracy because it is a self-adjusting mechanism, and the corrupt politicians will eventually filter out.

People who don’t believe in democracy should look at PPP. They have no national standing anymore, and are actually forcing politicians into accepting tickets.

It took 10 years of freedom of choice and PPP have lost considerable power. Shortcuts will not take Pakistan anywhere, as our history proves.
 
Mamoon said:
When people sort themselves out and begin to fulfill their obligations, things eventually fall in place.

There is not a single prosperous country in the world where the majority of the people are corrupt.

Put faith in democracy because it is a self-adjusting mechanism, and the corrupt politicians will eventually filter out.

People who don’t believe in democracy should look at PPP. They have no national standing anymore, and are actually forcing politicians into accepting tickets.

It took 10 years of freedom of choice and PPP have lost considerable power. Shortcuts will not take Pakistan anywhere, as our history proves.
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400 crore? Why are you running? Answer the question.
 
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