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Very true... Nehru refusing a Security Council seat has handicapped the world's biggest democracy for a long time. With a Security Council seat, we could have dealt with controlling the Kashmir issue in the international arena much more easily.
Thanks to Modi we are finally making progress in integrating Kashmir with the rest of the country. Also, under Modi's leadership the world's largest democracy and the world's most powerful democracy are becoming strong allies.
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Houston event - the one where he pumped up the miserable stock market just ahead of it
removing article 370 - support this
pulwama response
lol what response. Your Himalayan masterji will be remembered in history as the clown who humiliated us for the first time in our independent history while battling Pakistan. After decades carrying a bruised ego, Pakistanis now laugh at our bumbling clownish response and the humiliation it received a day later.
Masterji's pataka was thrown high into the clouds where it went tusss while they lit their pataka, held it in their hand and waited.
And then flung it, making us scatter frantically and kick it around in panic, until it finally injured SIX of us.
Let the reality of that sink in
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Could you give proof of this? Who offered us? When? Who all supported that? How does one get UNSC permanent seat, the process/procedure? How close were we to getting it? Has it been offered to us since then? How many other countries have been offered the same? How many new members? I am not a fan of whatsapp history sources. But I am eager to learn and change my views if you can convince me. Convince me that we didn't get UNSC permanent seat because of Nehru
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Believe me I have asked myself this same question many times. I am not against opposing view points to mine, in fact actively encourage them to make debates fruitful. But when they reject logic, facts and throw a pile of fake information no doubt scavenged from the Whatsapp sewers, what is the point? It doesn't stop at that, they question your nationality, patriotism, religion, anything but the topic at hand. Have you seen how BJP fans behave on twitter? Every contrarian view is punished with 100s of rape threats to female family member of the dissenter. How they are maligning India's name, what damage they are causing to our social fabric and constitutional values, mind boggles. Imagine how life must be for a minority, seeing so many of your fellow countrymen normalizing hate against your community. Not even getting to our media which is hopelessly beyond repair. I don't want our dissenters and minorities to feel any less or a target of hate/ridicule, is this too much to ask? Apparently yes, in a country where Sadhvi Pragya enjoys popular support. We have badly let down our founding fathers.
Nehru should be given his due credit for holding the democracy fort and focussing on universities instead of going the way of Pakistanis. He didn't listen to his British friends who insisted that democracy wouldn't work in a country like India. That's where the credit ends. He messed up Kashmir, messed up an opportunity to be a UNSC permanant member, messed up industrialization. His legacy is still a curse with his family still ruling congress.
There was not a firm offer but a feeler was sent out by the US to India around 1950 with the idea of booting China from the UNSC and giving the seat to India. Booting China should not have been difficult as at that point it was contested who should represent China: Taiwan or Mainland China. Mainland China (People's Republic of China) only got the seat in 1971.
The diplomatic challenge for India was to convert the feeler into a firm offer and Nehru came up short.
Nehru apparently did not want to antagonize China so he said no to the US. Also his ministers like Krishna Menon (known for his "eloquence, brilliance, and forceful, highly abrasive personality"), where busy bad-mouthing the West so they did not want any negotiations with the US.
While Nehru and Krishna Menon occupied the faux moral high ground with their rants against imperialism and colonialism (rather like the faux secular liberals of today), the majority of the country was condemned to grinding poverty. Nehru lived in his mini-palace Teen Murti.
Fat lot of good Nehru's timidness did, China found him to be weak and went ahead and attacked India and took away territory by force anyway. Later it supplied missile technology to Pakistan which now constitutes a serious security threat to India.
Just google "nehru india security council seat", you will find plenty of links.
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What an event!!!!!
After decades of being inconspicous on the world stage, Modi is actually projecting the image a nuclear power,1.3bn strong,one of the biggest economy of the world should project.
Finally national interests are taking the center stage and not the interests of a family.
The only thing Nehru should be credited with is not agreeing to Jinnah's demands.
Remember Gandhi forced Sardar Patel to withdraw his name,after Congress had actually voted Sardar to be the leader and Nehru started throwing his toys out of the pram.
After decades of being inconspicous on the world stage, Modi is actually projecting the image a nuclear power,1.3bn strong,one of the biggest economy of the world should project.
Finally national interests are taking the center stage and not the interests of a family.
The only thing Nehru should be credited with is not agreeing to Jinnah's demands.
Remember Gandhi forced Sardar Patel to withdraw his name,after Congress had actually voted Sardar to be the leader and Nehru started throwing his toys out of the pram.
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https://amp.ibtimes.co.in/nehru-rej...wice-was-his-1955-statement-misleading-797715
Here read the article.
Not only Nehru denied the offers, TWICE. He also lied to the parliament.
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Nehru also denied nuclear weapons technology offered to India in 1961, by the Kennedy govt. That would have allowed India to test a weapon ahead of China, and be the 5th nation and a recognised nuclear power.
Many say it would have prevented the 1962 war as well.
Many say it would have prevented the 1962 war as well.
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Was just pointing out its a gathering of not the brightest. Modi loves big chest thumping nationalist gatherings so nothing to be upset over.
He was banned for a decade to enter that country, it's rather comical
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I see you are trying really hard here to make a pointless point. You are more than a billion and all over the world lol, it isn't hard to fill up a place anywhere since you haven't left a place. So much for Indians loving India so much, you pack up and run away at the very first opportunity.
It is just another Modi's usual mass gathering like the daily regulars in India I guess.
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Hardly a surprise - the average BJP fan is a choice between dim, dimmer or dimmest.
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Nehru was the biggest curse to India, the way he handled the China conflict was beyond pathetic. A few things I heard about Nehru, not sure if it is true, apparently the below was written by his PA Mathai (my very own fellow Malayalee)
- Jinnah, Nehru & Sheikh Abdullah all had the same father ?
- Nehru was not a Pandit, he married a Pandit.
- He was a muslim by birth and was advised to change his name by Gandhi himself.
- Nehru was a anti -hindu, he allegedly once said, I am muslim by birth, Christian by heart and hindu by accident.
Looking at history, it is pretty evident Nehru did not have India's best interest at hand, had Jinnah been the PM of India it would have been a lot better...
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yeah Agreed, we should all been Congress fans so our IQ could have been as good as Raul-Vinci
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...when you start believing in WhatsApp forwards a bit too much)
Whooaaa, hold up buddy, no one is saying any of what Mathai allegedly said is true....
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If it was a huge event for Indian expats, barely anyone outside of the Indian community would even realise it happened. Trump was there for sure, that's because the US will see India as a giant market.
Other than that, Americans barely even recognise they have Indians in their midst. Other than Apu from the Simpsons they wouldn't be able to name a famous Indian.
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I know you are upset seeing the Indian American community and its leader being so important that the US President attends the event. Its ok. You can learn to live with it.
Thanks for speaking for us Americans. That useless "Squad" in DC will turn many who are in the center left to vote republicans. This event will turn many Indian Americans who tend to vote blue to red. Looks like it's going to another 4 years for Trump. I would rather have a strong leader like Trump as a President leading our fight against Radical Islamic Terrorism or trade war against China.
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Apparently Hasan Minhaj tried getting in but was denied despite having credentials, probably because of his Indian Election episodes on his Patriot Act show.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here to celebrate two great nations coming together. India first. But America first too. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HowdyModi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HowdyModi</a> <a href="https://t.co/tqlGCOKI70">pic.twitter.com/tqlGCOKI70</a></p>— Hasan Minhaj (@hasanminhaj) <a href="https://twitter.com/hasanminhaj/status/1175796958985936896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">An Islamophobic attack on press in 3 acts: Muslim journalist and <a href="https://twitter.com/patriotact?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@patriotact</a> host <a href="https://twitter.com/hasanminhaj?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@hasanminhaj</a> was denied access at Tump/Modi event. Event producers cite lack of credentials (despite credentials set for him), cite lack of space for broadcast (press pool & camera risers 1/2 empty) <a href="https://t.co/4mvjwLrFGy">pic.twitter.com/4mvjwLrFGy</a></p>— The Sparrow Project (@sparrowmedia) <a href="https://twitter.com/sparrowmedia/status/1175831203322257408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here to celebrate two great nations coming together. India first. But America first too. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HowdyModi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HowdyModi</a> <a href="https://t.co/tqlGCOKI70">pic.twitter.com/tqlGCOKI70</a></p>— Hasan Minhaj (@hasanminhaj) <a href="https://twitter.com/hasanminhaj/status/1175796958985936896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">An Islamophobic attack on press in 3 acts: Muslim journalist and <a href="https://twitter.com/patriotact?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@patriotact</a> host <a href="https://twitter.com/hasanminhaj?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@hasanminhaj</a> was denied access at Tump/Modi event. Event producers cite lack of credentials (despite credentials set for him), cite lack of space for broadcast (press pool & camera risers 1/2 empty) <a href="https://t.co/4mvjwLrFGy">pic.twitter.com/4mvjwLrFGy</a></p>— The Sparrow Project (@sparrowmedia) <a href="https://twitter.com/sparrowmedia/status/1175831203322257408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Whatever makes you sleep well at night.
I am as indifferent to this pointless chest thumping gathering as any American, minus Indian American ofcourse. Don't know why some of you get a hint that we are jealous of such pointless political gatherings. Go around USA with a picture of Apu in Simpsons and Modi, and ask if they can name the two. I bet most would only be able to name one Indian character and not the other cartoon. That's how far India's significance go for the majority there.
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Excellent demonstration of how not to debate a topic. No links provided, your personal insights about so and so, digression from the topic. Onus is on you to prove that Nehru was the reason behind us not getting UNSC seat, you have failed to demonstrate that to my satisfaction. Now let me ask some questions and you try and respond to them, that way maybe the discussion can be taken forward. [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] and [MENTION=150746]SakunaPataka[/MENTION] can join in. I won't rely on copy pasting random articles, would prefer to apply my independent mind. Ok so here are the questions.
1. When was UNSC formed? Who were the permanent 5 members, before Indian independence or after?
2. Has the permanent membership changed these last 74 or so years?
3. What is the procedure to get a permanent seat? Who all are eligible to vote (UNGA, UNSC?), required majority, any veto process? Answers available on UN website.
4. Who proposed to Nehru that India should take a permanent seat instead of China? Was he/she serious or some small talk, formal or informal? Did representatives of all 5 countries send feelers? Did that person propose any way how it could come to fruition?
5. How often do the Big 5 agree on some topic? 50s was peak cold war era, was it possible to bring USA and USSR on the same table? Did USSR and China (post communist revolution) have good relations then or not? Which camp did India belong to? What exactly did India offer back then that all the permanent members would cast aside their differences to back us?
6. Question was who represented China in UN? PRC (mainland) or ROC (Taiwan)? How could India possibly get involved? Would either of the Chinas have bent over backwards and asked India to go ahead? Would both parties, ROC and PRC be ok with a 3rd party (alien) snatching their bone of dispute? Is international diplomacy a joke? You said 'booting China out' wouldn't have been difficult, care to elaborate? Would it have been easier than listing a UN designated dreaded terrorist like Masood Azhar?
7. Continuing on the theme of point 6, something similar happened in 1991 when USSR disintegrated? Till then USSR held the seat, now it was given to Russian Federation. Those countries came to an agreement and decided amongst themselves that Russia be given the seat in exchange of all the debts of Ukraine, Georgia, Latvia etc being taken care of by Moscow (a host of other legal issues among them still pending, not going into that). Were offers made to Japan, Germany, Italy, Canada, Australia. Spain, Brazil, Turkey, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Israel or India to take that seat? Any feelers given? Would Russia and other ex-Soviet states have allowed it to happen? Again, is international diplomacy a joke?
8. If getting a permanent seat is so easy, why have Japan, Germany, Canada etc never been accepted? Economic powers, influential, capable democracies, high-tech innovators, NATO partners, cultural powerhouses. Why didn't USA give feelers to them to take a seat? Again would other countries accept it? Is there any veto in the selection process, find out. I am emphasizing on veto because trivial things are often vetoed at that level, this is not trivial. We are talking about the 50s where USA (Truman, Eisenhower) and USSR (Stalin) weren't buddies, would they leave their enmity aside and hug each other for the benefit of India. Did 1950s India have so much clout? All I hear is about the poverty, underdevelopment, famines, debts and refugee crisis in that era? Did I hear them wrong? Maybe the land of snake charmers was so powerful and had such a hold over USA, USSR, China that they would all bow their heads and give us a damn seat, while watching Communist China getting kicked out. I always thought that Stalin hated India, he frowned upon her independence for being counter revolutionary while being in love with Chinese revolutionaries making treaty after treaty with them. I wonder what would have changed his mind.
9. If alleged secret feelers have got so much power why has no other country gained entry all these years? Trust me if American feelers were so damn potent and the process so easy, Israel would have won that seat a long time back. Why exactly do you think the permanent members are so eager to share their power, even with friendly nations?
Some questions for you to answer, take your time,urge you to apply your minds. We can expand on that and make logical conclusions depending on how you reply, don't quote aunty gossips or WA history lessons, something more solid sans digs at secular liberals or my 'ilk'. Sounds fair Messrs [MENTION=147527]MP2011[/MENTION], [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] ? Feel free to express your views if you think my questions are inappropriate.
Cheers .
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Well modi and his puppets thought they can curb all the press that is against Modi or his extremist hindutva ideologies. Little did they know that this is America and free press is here waiting for him with 1000s of protestors outside.
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Sorry for some grammatical errors in previous post, why do we have 2 minutes rule 
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So ridiculous, I can't even
[MENTION=147527]MP2011[/MENTION] [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] [MENTION=139758]pillionrider[/MENTION] many educated people of this country blindly believe these kind of WA University lectures. No wonder we elect clowns, idiots, rapists and murderers to power. No wonder rumour fed lynchings have become so common. Making a general point, it isn't about one poster here or there, this is a nationwide trend. I also get such nonsense (other end of spectrum mostly) on Tamil Whatsapp groups and FB. Our society is being dumbed down gradually, people are losing the ability to reason. Is there any solution to this madness?
?So ridiculous, I can't even
[MENTION=147527]MP2011[/MENTION] [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] [MENTION=139758]pillionrider[/MENTION] many educated people of this country blindly believe these kind of WA University lectures. No wonder we elect clowns, idiots, rapists and murderers to power. No wonder rumour fed lynchings have become so common. Making a general point, it isn't about one poster here or there, this is a nationwide trend. I also get such nonsense (other end of spectrum mostly) on Tamil Whatsapp groups and FB. Our society is being dumbed down gradually, people are losing the ability to reason. Is there any solution to this madness?
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) You heard....Don't you know. You just say Howdy, hug people and Everything is Fine.
The previous 5 years they cut down on education with idiots put in charge of important universities and areas deciding curriculum. Eventually they'll want everyone earning degrees from Whatsapp University. We already have a few sterling examples in this thread.
Meanwhile, the National Gallery of Modern Art is littered with these wonderful works on the Himalayan master.
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If it was some random event with just a speech by Modi, maybe I would have agreed with you. But this is very different. Trump’s presence there mattered a lot because it got the event serious attention from the press and other leaders who wish to be in good terms with America. Both countries have common interests and common goals. That is the base for building diplomatic relations. And Modi delivered a lusty blow to Pakistan when he asked the audience (which included Trump) where the conspirators/perpetrators of America’s 7/11 and India’s 26/11 were found. He explained whatever that needed to be explained in just one sentence. It completely exposed Pakistan and its crocodile tears for human rights.
No recognition and relevance?
Sundar Pichai (CEO, Google) , Satya Nadella (CEO, Microsoft), Shantanu Narayen (CEO, Adobe), Puneet Ranjan(CEO, Deloitte), Ajay Banga (CEO, MasterCard), Dinesh Paliwal (CEO, Harman), Indra Nooyi(ex-CEO, PepsiCo)etc etc the list goes on.
Indians are very much visible in the American society.
Now a homeless person on the street may not recognise these people but the people who matter do. And that is what gaining a clout is all about. A member here was saying that Indians and Pakistanis have very similar presence in the US. In terms of impact, it’s not even comparable.
Nice try fooling oneself - POTUS attending a event and people like you say its irrelevant.
Say what you may - India big Market or whatever - the fact does not change that POTUS and many US Senators and Congressman including Texas Senator and GOP presidential Candidate in past - Ted Cruz were present for the event.
MODI does not need to get popular with all Americans. He just needs to get good with the Americans that matter for Indian Interests...which he did Very very well yesterday 1!!!!!!!!
Time for you to get over it and accept the reality !!!!!
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This article which i had posted already on the thread and you seemed to have missed, lists in detail how Nehru twice rejected the offer and also lied to the parliament.
Given that I had written "Just google "nehru india security council seat", you will find plenty of links", and not having time to waste on endless illogical debate, I stopped reading after having read the above two sentences.
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You can reel off the names of your Indian CEOs on these boards if it makes you feel better, but unless Americans are logging in to read PakPassion, they won't have a clue who they are. American Indians are like worker drones, they have no visible presence where they are shown representing America.
Even this fabulous speech you are congratulating yourselves on won't be on the radar. The only people listening to it are Indian ex pats. And us of course, we get it drip fed by Indian patriots on these forums otherwise I guarantee you we wouldn't know about it either.
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Don't blame me if the American public don't want to see Indians in these heroic roles on their tv screens. Where are they if what you say is true? Name me one role model Indian male who is depicted as such in an American show. If there were any, why would you get Indians whining about Apu being the stereotype Indian in showbiz?
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View about apu seems more like your view than Americans right now cap, let it go he is dead.
There are lot of good roles awarded to Indian Americans, many are becoming influential as wel esp Mindy, Hassan, Asiz, Liza,Archie even Dev Patel seems to be doing Indian American roles from newsroom to some new amazon love series.
Its still not as good as the cast of goodness gracious me who were able to write and produce as they wanted but things are changing.
Mindy time and again has mentioned that it was hard for em to not see anyone of their ethnicity on TV when they grew up but things have changed and they are making Shows with Indian Americans/Canadians.
Role model on American show? When did that become a benchmark? Here, let me educate you why Indian Americans are getting their due recognition.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income
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I read that article, now you answer the questions I raised in my post. Then we can join the dots and come to a conclusion.
Why should I find links, onus was on you to back your statement. If I want to convince someone I wouldn't type 'find it yourself'.
Of course you stopped reading after that, because you know where the Q/A will lead, a cowardly approach. If you want to put a full stop to this topic I understand. Making blanket statements and peddling myths about bad Nehru is easy these days, many takers, but when asked to substantiate problems arise. Saying that Nehru cost us UNSC seat is not just a lazy lie, but devoid of facts and exhibits lack of understanding about how UN functions, how diplomacy is run, also a lack of knowledge about history and world politics.
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Great. Now fingers crossed the rest of America will log onto Pakpassion and click that link.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="hi" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WATCH?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WATCH</a> PM Modi: Bharat apne yahan jo kar raha hai us'se kuch aise logon ko bhi dikkat ho rahi hai, jinse khud apna desh sambhal nahi raha hai...Be it 9/11 in US or 26/11 in Mumbai, where are the conspirators found? Time has come for a decisive battle against terrorism... <a href="https://t.co/rof9m9Jvfk">pic.twitter.com/rof9m9Jvfk</a></p>— ANI (@ANI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1175841716710121478?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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This should get things back on track
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This should get things back on track
I am not in the business of curing deluded people of their delusions.
If you wish to continue your existence in a state of ignorance you are welcome to it, I do not have time to fix the entire world. And my experience has shown that there are numerous posters who will simply ignore evidence and continue with their delusions. It's their choice and it is best for me to respect their choice rather than take time away from productive uses of my time.
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Ah. brilliant. All the Fortune 100 India CEOs mean nothing because there are no Indian characters on 'tv screens' or 'American Show'. Sound logic Cap.
Well, Indians may not be able to capture the Imagination of american TV screens. However, there is a particular group shown as Terrorists in many American Movies and Screens. What does this imply by your own logic?
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Lol So, CEOs of MNCs are useless they have no clout over Americans, number of cartoon characters are the real benchmark now.
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That what I said has hit home and you are now forced into saying "look! Americans like us better than you!"
No, they just don't care.
PP fav NYtimes seems to have changed its mind.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/...4gxAokGXU9yDsxJ_MX9xnvYw0jxlVwQl9yCODRmp4W5A0
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/...4gxAokGXU9yDsxJ_MX9xnvYw0jxlVwQl9yCODRmp4W5A0
As if I created the link on PP. It's been common knowledge for years now
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Common knowledge where? Are you seriously telling me that is common knowledge for your average American? Do you really think Tommy or Pammy from Alabama log onto Pakpassion to read these links?
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So Indian American income is $110k and Pakistani American income is $44k.
You know why it hurts.
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Do you think Americans care what Brit pakistanis like you think or do they care about what their President is doing?
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No, they will just read the front page of NYT or Washington Post.
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It must hurt quite a bit if an Indian sitting in Bengal is now having to brag about Indians in the USA earning more than Pakistanis. All because they couldn't deny that the most famous Indian in the US is Apu from the Simpsons.
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Devastated to see you go. From ' Nehru refusing a Security Council Seat' to 'not a firm offer but a feeler' to 'just google on your own' to 'won't read your post' to finally 'I do not have time to fix the world', quite a journey my dear friend. Most sages take that path in one lifetime, you have managed in less than half a day. I bow to the divine in you. Good luck for the rest of your journey on PP, promise I won't interfere in your stay here. Next part of the post isn't for you, so adios.
Only hope left is [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION], the Tiger of Bengal. I don't share your political leanings dude but one thing I got to give credit is you never back off from arguments no matter what the odds or circumstances. I have always respected that, real heart of a tiger. Now if only you could add some teeth to your assertion that Nehru did indeed cost us UNSC seat that would be a killer blow to my ilk.
How will this unfold comrades [MENTION=147527]MP2011[/MENTION] [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] [MENTION=139758]pillionrider[/MENTION]? As you know I don't generally indulge in these long-winded political debates on PP but I am a rigorous examiner of fake news and WhatsApp University graduates. My posting style adopted in the righteous quest of truth must be of some instructive quality, or so I hope. I would be severely disappointed if esteemed online patriots here give up on their bravado concerning Nehru's deceit and whimper away into nothingness only to reappear in other threads like creaking terminators spouting the same inane gibberish carefully disguised as a potpourri of truths, half-truths and blatant falsehoods.
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Interestingly if you go to the actual source for these numbers, the median household income for Pakistanis for the same year is listed at $73k rather than the $44k listed on Wikipedia. The Indian number, meanwhile, has been written accurately.
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Yes it is $77k. Wikipedia prolly got edited by Indians facing record unemployment
You do a good job hiding your extreme views by bringing money.
Money or no money, indirectly and directly you support the extremists view of RSS.
Another thing, most Pakistani or any american have no time to put other people down because what they earn for living.
It is mostly Indian mentality and it is look down upon with disgust and you display it quite often.
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Hang on there hero ... I will respond to your long winded posts ( which are nothing but an attempt to divert and deflect thru chaos )when I have some time. But for starters - the US is quite literally the owner of UN. Are you suggesting that the owner never approached India with a proposition during Nehru's time to include us as a Perm member ?
If you need a quick answer make your post short and brief. Simple answers will do.
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US may be great bro, but there are others on UNSC panel. USSR wasn't exactly a joke in the 50s and world was quite divided. Doubt some unofficial feeler from some American would have translated to 5-0 in the UNSC vote bro, doubt Chinese (represented by ROC) would have voted to remove their own seat
). If there was a dispute it was between PRC and ROC. Americans couldn't bully their way otherwise UN would have become League of Nations 2.0, all for an impoverished weak country like India? Americans had other close allies in the world in that era, even in Asia. India offered nothing, India had no clout, even today there are a few countries better placed to get that UNSC seat, lesser in number than 1950s but no clear path for us still. Harsh world bro, but really we were in a bad place after Independence. If you go through that long-winded post you will find questions, not chaos. Answer them and you will have one less fault to criticize Nehru.
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Just because a racist, india hater brit pakistani thinks that Indian Americans are all about APU, doesnot make it the truth. Speaking on behalf of Americans now.lolfer.
I know the median income thing really hurts you lot, after all Indians are so ahead of pakistanis financially, be it US or UK.
No brother, it exposes your mentality but you can't see that because you have been indoctrinate and culturally brought up this way to look down upon someone who earn little bit less than you.
Try visit western country and try to brag about it and you'l see how quickly you'l get disgusting look unless you are interacting only with RSS members.
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You need to read up a bit of history before you ask stupid questions.
China's seat was given to RoC and both US and USSR had offered to give it to India instead. Just like they gave it to PRC in 1971.
So just like RoC was kicked out and PRC was given the seat in 1971, same would have applied to India in 1950 or 1955, but Nehru in his attempt to appease the chinese refused it and RoC continued to be a unsc member till 1971.
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I have been brought up to show a racist, his place. A racist post deserves nothing better.
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Impressive crowd, to be honest.
LOL.
You directly and indirectly support RSS and you want to talk about racism.
He is correct, the most famous Indian is 'Apu', not too many American knows the name of CEO of google..
I know it hurts to know this but that is true.
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Excellent, then go and hunt down the dirty smelly extremist chai wala, by the way Google his adress if you can't find it then look in the sewers
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How do you know that is true, did you take a survey?
You are a better poster than this.
Do this, ask a random American and Canadian if they know an Indian character from Simpsons and Google.
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What has RSS got to do with me?LOL
You guys are trying too hard, The US president didnot attend the Howdy Modi event, because of any Apu.
I know it hurts that Pakistani Americans are neither as economically well off as Indian Americans nor do they enjoy the same corporate status.On top of that Pakistanis are on extreme vetting list for US visas.
All this must be really frustrating for you guys. brought up on the daily feed of how you are superior to Indians, and then when you grow up and see the world, reality hits you.
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Because they have a acceptance problem.
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Haha how can you say Americans have no idea who Google’s CEO is?! And again it’s about the impact. The kind of power and influence American Indians have. Money obviously is another factor. We’re in a different league altogether.
Anyways, let’s return to the topic. The problem here again is that you refuse to accept that there are ‘important people’ in every society. Trump listening to Modi’s speech is a million times more important to India than some random guy listening to it. Why is it so hard to understand? That event was organised with a goal in mind and it succeeded in achieving it. I don’t understand why you’re still talking about the number of Americans watching it. It wasn’t organised for them. I was talking about the diplomatic victory for India which has nothing to do with TV ratings
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I work in IT in Dallas, what do you think the answer would be if I ask my colleagues that..
Simple answer to all of the above is No!
Every Pakistani is aware of the reality.
We are told daily about Pakistani passport by Pakistani journalists and other media.
So we arent delusional about the reality unlike RSS members who were before Feb 27th, 2019, the mighty Indian military.
Arent you a supporter of RSS?
How many US citizen work at IT?
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I wouldn’t be surprised if that is true. Tbh Americans aren’t the smartest one around.
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Maybe it should have been called “Howdy Chief Modi”
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A moment of silence for the lynchophiles and useful idiots at our end who were overwhelmed by this stunt. it has a worse return on investment that what softbank paid for wework
Pakistanis are more influential in UK along with indians. In US there is no parity.
Tommy and Pammy have been told by their fav night show hosts, by their President, by their senators that Indian Americans are the richest ethnic group in the country. This is the community with the lowest crime rate, one of the highest education rates as well. You should google.more often
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US may be great bro, but there are others on UNSC panel. USSR wasn't exactly a joke in the 50s and world was quite divided. Doubt some unofficial feeler from some American would have translated to 5-0 in the UNSC vote bro, doubt Chinese (represented by ROC) would have voted to remove their own seat
If you go through that long-winded post you will find questions, not chaos. Answer them and you will have one less fault to criticize Nehru.
Again let me repeat my question - Did America offer India the perm seat in the early days or not ? A simple un-ambiguous clear cut answer will suffice. It appears that the answer is a "No" from your post but lets get that clarified before we proceed.
I think Rishwat as usual is missing the essential point here. Whether Tommy and Pammy know or not is not that important. Rather it is whether Mike and John in the C-Suite know or not is important to India, and they are the ones who get to decide whether India will be the base for their R&D, services, manufacturing etc. Obviously, Mike and John do know about Nadella and Pichai, and know that Apu is a character in a comic show.
I think Rishwat as usual is missing the essential point here. Whether Tommy and Pammy know or not is not that important. Rather it is whether Mike and John in the C-Suite know or not is important to India, and they are the ones who get to decide whether India will be the base for their R&D, services, manufacturing etc. Obviously, Mike and John do know about Nadella and Pichai, and know that Apu is a character in a comic show.
Precisely. See, this is all part of Soft power that every country craves. War is the last resort and the way wars have been going, no one wins at the end of the day. World is run with soft power.
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) Brutal.Masterji's boys are a confused lot. On the one hand, they belittle the UN when it comes to Kashmir but think their Made in China weapon can maim Nehru. Deep down they know China is the big gun in the neighborhood but still want to believe we could have been the greatest if not for Nehru.
Personally I think Nehru was overhyped for years. But overhyping does not mean someone was incompetent. It means all of his greatness was made out to be even grander. The problem is, correction does not entail reducing Nehru to a nobody. An even bigger problem is when they attempt to replace him with Masterji.
How will all this unfold? There's only so far India can run on emotion and religious issues. You can see the religious well is running a little dry. That's why nationalism has taken over. It's just a matter of time before it all goes bust. Doesn't matter whether there exists a political alternative or not. There will be a reaction to Masterji.
I pity our NRI and educated white-collar boys in India when this happens. What will they have left to do with their lives. What will they write online and chat about during breaks at work. From where will they get their misplaced sense of relevance and achievement in the world. There's only so much Karan Johar and folks can do - where Indians are the life of parties and white folk dance to our tunes as we take the lead.
It will also probably leave me even more jobless, with less people to hate
Brutal, absolutely brutal.
Masterji's boys are a confused lot. On the one hand, they belittle the UN when it comes to Kashmir but think their Made in China weapon can maim Nehru. Deep down they know China is the big gun in the neighborhood but still want to believe we could have been the greatest if not for Nehru.
Personally I think Nehru was overhyped for years. But overhyping does not mean someone was incompetent. It means all of his greatness was made out to be even grander. The problem is, correction does not entail reducing Nehru to a nobody. An even bigger problem is when they attempt to replace him with Masterji.
How will all this unfold? There's only so far India can run on emotion and religious issues. You can see the religious well is running a little dry. That's why nationalism has taken over. It's just a matter of time before it all goes bust. Doesn't matter whether there exists a political alternative or not. There will be a reaction to Masterji.
I pity our NRI and educated white-collar boys in India when this happens. What will they have left to do with their lives. What will they write online and chat about during breaks at work. From where will they get their misplaced sense of relevance and achievement in the world. There's only so much Karan Johar and folks can do - where Indians are the life of parties and white folk dance to our tunes as we take the lead.
It will also probably leave me even more jobless, with less people to hate
However, I doubt these sanghi snakes will still see the light.
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