Huddersfield man shot dead by police in 'pre-planned operation' near M62 motorway

[Gabbar Singh]

Stats don't really mean much in the context of this incident, all we can go on is what happened and in the OP which you posted, the police clearly went to intercept this fellow fully armed, in unmarked police cars and unloaded on said driver until he was dead.

If you have a theory on why this should have happened the way it did, please share.

I don't have a theory but the facts do suggest that the British police do not have a shoot first, ask questions later culture.

In this case they had intelligence that there was a weapon in the car (which we now know was correct), they had a suspect who not only had been shot before but had also been on trial for shooting someone else. And he was a known drug dealer.

 

[Thivagar]

Just to add to above:
Did he go for the gun because he thought the Merc which blocked them contained gunmen out to get him considering that it was an unmarked police car, meaning that he wouldn't have known it was the police if everything happened suddenly in a matter of seconds?

This is what I'm assuming as well. Even the most idiotic criminal wouldn't point a gun at a police officer when they stop him like that. He most likely thought someone other than the police was after him. Maybe the Police exactly wanted him to think it was someone else so they can kill him ?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

I see that his funeral has already taken place. It's disappointing that even the local Imam is quick to criticise the police without knowing what the full facts of the case were.

Hundreds of mourners have today attended the funeral of an alleged drug dealer shot dead by police on a motorway sliproad as his local Imam accused police of killing him in a 'vigilante' attack.
Yassar Yaqub's family claim he was 'assassinated' in a pre-planned 'hit' by West Yorkshire Police on the M62 outside Huddersfield on Monday evening.
The 28-year-old father-of-two's funeral was held at the Masjid Bilal mosque and his mother Safia was visibly distraught and had to be physically supported by mourners as his body was taken to a cemetery for burial.
His death has sparked protests in West Yorkshire and his father Mohammed said he was the 'perfect son' and not a criminal - some friends wore hoodies with 'Justice for Yassar' printed on the front at the funeral.
Afterwards Mohammed Akram, Imam at the Masjid Bilal mosque where Yassar Yaqub's funeral was held said: 'They [the police] are there to protect us and these actions were like a vigilante-style operation and there is bad feeling in the community because of what they did.


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[90MPH]

I don't have a theory but the facts do suggest that the British police do not have a shoot first, ask questions later culture.

In this case they had intelligence that there was a weapon in the car (which we now know was correct), they had a suspect who not only had been shot before but had also been on trial for shooting someone else. And he was a known drug dealer.

I still don't understand your theory when you say "the British police do not have a shoot first, ask questions later" when the fact is the British police are not armed in General so how could they have such a policy even if they wanted it ??

Secondly he was a known drug dealer does now make it ok to start shooting them before an arrest can not be made ?? This is not some third world country with a kangaroo court system. It's a country of laws and a system is in place to deal with people who break the law. Maybe in countries like India and Pakistan the army and police can get away with such fake staged encounters, it shouldn't be the case in Britain.

Also these were unmarked police cars that boxed him in. Lastly how convenient for the marksman not to have his body camera switched on because "he forgot" to switch it on. What baloney.

 

[90MPH]

I see that his funeral has already taken place. It's disappointing that even the local Imam is quick to criticise the police without knowing what the full facts of the case were.

What do you want the imam to say ?? It was a controversial shooting unless your a blind supporter of the police which seems the case.

 

[HitWicket]

Also these were unmarked police cars that boxed him in. Lastly how convenient for the marksman not to have his body camera switched on because "he forgot" to switch it on. What baloney.

Body cameras on police are slightly less common out of London where they're currently being trialed so it was a case of them not having one rather 'forgetting to turn it on'.

Just to add to above:
Did he go for the gun because he thought the Merc which blocked them contained gunmen out to get him considering that it was an unmarked police car, meaning that he wouldn't have known it was the police if everything happened suddenly in a matter of seconds?

Unmarked police cars still have sirens and flashing lights (that would be unmissable in the dark). Take a look at this picture :



The officer, presumably in the passenger seat of the unmarked car shown in the picture would have had to get out the car and walked fully around the front of the vehicle given the apparent angle of the shots.

 

[in_cutter]

Word is going around that he was out to see a person who owed him money & had threatened to kill this other person, who informed the police. Could this explain the gun he was carrying?

 

[Salma_T]

Out of interest, has there been any similar incidents in Australia where police have stopped a drug dealer's car in unmarked police cars and gunned him down? It would be interesting to hear a neutral view as well as yours.

Im sydney atleast the drug gangs take each other out so police just stay out of it!
The police here is very trigger happy because they carry weapons all the time. I guess it is all about perspective to people who have lived here all their lives it is the norm but not for someone like me from the UK and isn't use to police with guns.

 

[Yossarian]

This is what I'm assuming as well. Even the most idiotic criminal wouldn't point a gun at a police officer when they stop him like that. He most likely thought someone other than the police was after him. Maybe the Police exactly wanted him to think it was someone else so they can kill him ?

No way! Thats absurd. If they wanted to kill him they wouldn't do it on the motorway in full view of nearby houses. They would have done it quietly somewhere else such that no one could point the finger at the police.

 

[Yossarian]

Body cameras on police are slightly less common out of London where they're currently being trialed so it was a case of them not having one rather 'forgetting to turn it on'.




Unmarked police cars still have sirens and flashing lights (that would be unmissable in the dark). Take a look at this picture :

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The officer, presumably in the passenger seat of the unmarked car shown in the picture would have had to get out the car and walked fully around the front of the vehicle given the apparent angle of the shots.

Don't know what photos you're making that assumption from. It can't be from the photo above.

1. The officer in the passenger seat couldn't have got out of the car via the front passenger door unless he crawled out via the rolled down car window! He most likely got out of the car via the drivers side door. Surely even you can see that from the photos.

2. From the angle of the shots (fired at YY sitting in the passenger seat of the Audi) it would seem that the officer in the Mercs passenger seat took the shots whilst he was still in the car, through the rolled down car window.

 

[Gilly]

What do you want the imam to say ?? It was a controversial shooting unless your a blind supporter of the police which seems the case.

Well he could say nothing, but should he blindly support a drug criminal.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well he could say nothing, but should he blindly support a drug criminal.

Drug criminals usually end up in jail, not blockaded by police then shot in their cars. Considering the unusual circumstances in how this incident unfolded I think it's fair to raise questions. Perhaps if the day arrives when all drug dealers are executed on the motorways by the police no one will raise an eyebrow.

 

[Gilly]

Drug criminals usually end up in jail, not blockaded by police then shot in their cars. Considering the unusual circumstances in how this incident unfolded I think it's fair to raise questions. Perhaps if the day arrives when all drug dealers are executed on the motorways by the police no one will raise an eyebrow.

Criminals are considered innocent until proven guilty, should the police be afforded the same courtesy.

 

[90MPH]

Criminals are considered innocent until proven guilty, should the police be afforded the same courtesy.

Yes it was an accident. The poor police should never have fingers pointed at them.

 

[Gilly]

Yes it was an accident. The poor police should never have fingers pointed at them.

When police officers put their lives on the line to protect the public at least deserve to be judged in accordance with the law and not by social media.

If the imam has more information than the rest of us then he could be within his rights but if he is not informed of all the information should he be backing a criminal drug dealer over the law of the land, his decision but he also can be judged for his actions too.

 

[s28]

Some people suggesting this was not a police operation.

https://skwawkbox.org/2017/01/07/military-expert-mohammed-yasser-yaqub-shooters-not-police/

The SKWAWKBOX has been contacted by a senior military officer, who suggested that the ‘shooters’ in the operation were not police officers.

The officer, known on this blog as ‘Major X’ has provided evidence to this blog previously about the activities of military personnel masquerading as police officers – and he speaks with considerable expertise on the subject, as he has been responsible for placing those military personnel with police units and reporting on their operations to at least two serving Prime Ministers.

Here’s what he had to say about the Ainley Top operation:

The “police” shooters who killed Yassar Yaqub were described as not wearing identifying numbers or squad details [see here and here for other instances] on their uniforms…and they shot a (roughly) 3-inch group of 3 shots through the windscreen from 6-8 feet while running/jumping onto the bonnet of a car that may have still been moving.

That’s not likely to be actual “police”.

 

[Boom boom legend]

In my opinion, the police were bang out of order for shooting him dead. There have been far worse crimes where the criminal has not been killed so why should this be any different.

If it was a planned operation surely they should have had cameras. I think they are just using the media to portray him as the bad guy to justify the murder, which should not have happened.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088fx3d

Drugs in West Yorkshire
The Briefing Room

How did British-Pakistani gangs come to dominate the drugs trade in Yorkshire?

Earlier this month, police shot dead 28-year-old Mohammed Yasser Yaqub on a motorway slip road near Huddersfield. Their target was apparently armed and dangerous – a big time drug dealer, allegedly with a record of using violence to get his way.

Yasser Yaqub’s death was followed by protests on the streets of Bradford and in nearby Huddersfield, hundreds turned up to a mosque for his funeral.

The drugs business in West Yorkshire is largely controlled by gangs of Pakistani-Muslim heritage, who use their community contacts to aid their criminal operations - but how does such a religiously conservative community contain within it such a dangerous criminal element?

David Aaronovitch heads to Dewsbury to find out.

CONTRIBUTORS

Tony Saggers, Head of Drugs Threat & Intelligence at the National Crime Agency

Danny Lockwood, editor of The Dewsbury Press

Mo Ali Qasim, who has spent four years doing academic research into Pakistani-origin drug dealers in West Yorkshire

Researcher: Samuel Bright
Editor: Innes Bowen

 

[Thivagar]

I have no sympathy towards any violent criminals. They are borderline predators.

 

[Yossarian]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088fx3d

Drugs in West Yorkshire
The Briefing Room

How did British-Pakistani gangs come to dominate the drugs trade in Yorkshire?

Earlier this month, police shot dead 28-year-old Mohammed Yasser Yaqub on a motorway slip road near Huddersfield. Their target was apparently armed and dangerous – a big time drug dealer, allegedly with a record of using violence to get his way.

Yasser Yaqub’s death was followed by protests on the streets of Bradford and in nearby Huddersfield, hundreds turned up to a mosque for his funeral.

The drugs business in West Yorkshire is largely controlled by gangs of Pakistani-Muslim heritage, who use their community contacts to aid their criminal operations - but how does such a religiously conservative community contain within it such a dangerous criminal element?

David Aaronovitch heads to Dewsbury to find out.

CONTRIBUTORS

Tony Saggers, Head of Drugs Threat & Intelligence at the National Crime Agency

Danny Lockwood, editor of The Dewsbury Press

Mo Ali Qasim, who has spent four years doing academic research into Pakistani-origin drug dealers in West Yorkshire

Researcher: Samuel Bright
Editor: Innes Bowen

Why is "Muslim" relevant in that article? For that matter why is even "Pakistani" relevant in that article? These gang members are by and large UK born British citizens, often even 3rd or 4th generation UK born. So why bring "Pakistani-Muslim" into it?

If a drug gang member's grandparents, or great grandparents, came from, say, Poland or Italy, will the BBC describe them as being of "Polish-Christian" or "Italian-Christian" heritage? And if the drug dealer had a great grandparent who was from Poland and who escaped the Holocaust, would the drug dealer be described as being of "Polish-Jewish heritage"?

 

[Thivagar]

Why is "Muslim" relevant in that article? For that matter why is even "Pakistani" relevant in that article? These gang members are by and large UK born British citizens, often even 3rd or 4th generation UK born. So why bring "Pakistani-Muslim" into it?

If a drug gang member's grandparents, or great grandparents, came from, say, Poland or Italy, will the BBC describe them as being of "Polish-Christian" or "Italian-Christian" heritage? And if the drug dealer had a great grandparent who was from Poland and who escaped the Holocaust, would the drug dealer be described as being of "Polish-Jewish heritage"?

3rd and 4th generation Italian-Christians or Portuguese-Catholics don't associate themselves with their religion or ethnicity overtly. Portuguese-Catholics don't shed tears over gang violence in Brazil just cause they speak the same language. Pakistani-Muslims do shed tears over Palestinians who don't care in reverse at all for Pakistan or Kashmir, and hence it is relevant.

 

[Yossarian]

3rd and 4th generation Italian-Christians or Portuguese-Catholics don't associate themselves with their religion or ethnicity overtly. Portuguese-Catholics don't shed tears over gang violence in Brazil just cause they speak the same language. Pakistani-Muslims do shed tears over Palestinians who don't care in reverse at all for Pakistan or Kashmir, and hence it is relevant.

Did you read the last sentence of my post? I suggest you do that since all of what you've just written also applies to that example. And yet see if the BBC or any other media organisation dares to use that phrase.

Anyway, what has the political views of someone who is 3rd or 4th generation UK born have to do with them being racially singled out in the manner indicated? It's phrases such as these, and the Islamophobia they subtly spread, along with Islamophobia apologist posts (as above), especially from Indian posters on this forum, plays a large part in spreading racial divides.

 

[Thivagar]

Did you read the last sentence of my post? I suggest you do that since all of what you've just written also applies to that example. And yet see if the BBC or any other media organisation dares to use that phrase.

Anyway, what has the political views of someone who is 3rd or 4th generation UK born have to do with them being racially singled out in the manner indicated? It's phrases such as these, and the Islamophobia they subtly spread, along with Islamophobia apologist posts (as above), especially from Indian posters on this forum, plays a large part in spreading racial divides.

Pakistani-Muslims identify themselves as just that, i.e Amir Khan with Pakistani flag for example. Hence the community is identified. 2nd and 3rd generation Italian gangs caused lot of problems in US, they too identified themselves by their ethnicity and hence media referred to them as Italian mafia.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakistani-Muslims identify themselves as just that, i.e Amir Khan with Pakistani flag for example. Hence the community is identified. 2nd and 3rd generation Italian gangs caused lot of problems in US, they too identified themselves by their ethnicity and hence media referred to them as Italian mafia.

Amir Khan started his career flying both the Pakistani and British flag, I don't recall him ever wearing Pakistan colours alone. I think he dropped the references to Pakistan quite early in his career.

 

[Yossarian]

Pakistani-Muslims identify themselves as just that, i.e Amir Khan with Pakistani flag for example. Hence the community is identified. 2nd and 3rd generation Italian gangs caused lot of problems in US, they too identified themselves by their ethnicity and hence media referred to them as Italian mafia.

And the last sentence of the post in question I referred you too? That particular community is very proud, and staunchly defends (and rightly so) it's religious identity. But can you ever imagine a drug dealer with a grandparent or great grandparent who was of that religious persuasion being described by the BBC in the manner I described?

I suggest you reflect on that because the atmosphere that such types of media manipulation (racism?) creates leads to all sorts of racists and bigots crawling out of the woodwork. These racists and bigots usually can't tell the difference between Indians, Pakistanis, Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs from appearances alone. (Remember that racist who attacked a gurdwara in Wisconsin, USA and killed six innocent Sikh worshippers because he thought it was a mosque and he was killing Muslims?).

Even the post you made, whether or not that was your intention, gives ammunition to, and emboldens the types of racists and bigots that I mention above.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

An update to this case.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More details have now emerged...<a href="https://t.co/1qvilEVZDk">https://t.co/1qvilEVZDk</a></p>— YorkshireEveningPost (@LeedsNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/LeedsNews/status/1063722121677979648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">M62 police shooting: Three in court over gun find <a href="https://t.co/mEgbYfvnDL">https://t.co/mEgbYfvnDL</a></p>— BBC Yorkshire (@BBCLookNorth) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCLookNorth/status/1063500609947660288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Gabbar Singh]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yassar Yaqub's friend convicted of planning a shooting with him before drug dealer was shot dead by police marksman <a href="https://t.co/BgJsDckEMq">https://t.co/BgJsDckEMq</a></p>— ExaminerLive (@Examiner) <a href="https://twitter.com/Examiner/status/1071048889770409993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[shortbread]

Good riddance!