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"I am desperate to show my worth and gain a place in the national team" : Zafar Gohar

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">rehab making my self fit again hopefully will be back on the feild again with full strength#shoulderinjury sucks <a href="https://t.co/x8zanpGgop">pic.twitter.com/x8zanpGgop</a></p>— Zafar Gohar (@iamzafargohar) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamzafargohar/status/901171979860013056">August 25, 2017</a></blockquote>
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His career is over. I don't expect him to make comeback with an injury that bad but even if he regains full fitness, he made a total fool out of himself by sleeping on his flight. Imad and Shadab have left no room for any spinner in the side in LOI's while Yasir takes the throne in Tests.

And lets not forget, Nawaz, Asghar and that drug addict are also on the sidelines.
 
His career is over. I don't expect him to make comeback with an injury that bad but even if he regains full fitness, he made a total fool out of himself by sleeping on his flight. Imad and Shadab have left no room for any spinner in the side in LOI's while Yasir takes the throne in Tests.

And lets not forget, Nawaz, Asghar and that drug addict are also on the sidelines.

He's 22 years old... how exactly is his career over already? :ibutt
 
Where is Zafar Gohar these days?

This boy was an amazing spinner and we desperately need a specialist spinner in ODIs when we play Australia next year
the last match he played was in April
any idea where he is?he hasnt played any FC matches this season.....
still remember his innings in the U19 WC SF against England!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">float like a butterfly sting like a bee#muhammad ali#rehabsucks#nationalacademy✅ <a href="https://t.co/BqBgwDSavm">pic.twitter.com/BqBgwDSavm</a></p>— Zafar Gohar (@iamzafargohar) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamzafargohar/status/921025322585415680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 19, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Impressive performance today for him.
 
Gohar wins the best bowler award in the Naya Nazimabad Ramadan Cup T20 Cricket Tournament 2018.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One of my favourite spells. Was under pressure to perform after returning from injury. <a href="https://twitter.com/IsbUnited?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IsbUnited</a> showed faith in me and I am glad I showed what I am capable of. <a href="https://t.co/qqqkaOtSxP">pic.twitter.com/qqqkaOtSxP</a></p>— Zafar Gohar (@iamzafargohar) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamzafargohar/status/1085124781245001728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 15, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Most definitely the biggest turner of cricket ball in pakistan.

Hope he gets a call up soon , a very good bowler indeed.
 
Sumit Patel blocking his way in PSL, otherwise would have been playing in all the formats for Pakistan.
 
Bring this guy in! He could be the next Abdur Rehman, useful spinner who can bat at no. 8
 
Kaun sa Gohar????

In fact, Mo Wasim is his latest video hasn't mentioned Gohar - in 8 games he has scored close to 300 runs & taken 27 wickets at 26 with 2 5fors in 11 innings - economy of 2.4 is brilliant as well, on unresponsive (to spin) wickets and his batting average is 20+, often batting at 3. Wasim named several spinners, including Kashif twice, but no mention of Zafar, hence I do believe unless he changes FC team from Lahore Blues to a Corporate side, they'll keep ignoring him.

He would have won the AUS series 2-0 & Kiwi Series at least 2-1, most likely 3-0.
 
Kaun sa Gohar????

In fact, Mo Wasim is his latest video hasn't mentioned Gohar - in 8 games he has scored close to 300 runs & taken 27 wickets at 26 with 2 5fors in 11 innings - economy of 2.4 is brilliant as well, on unresponsive (to spin) wickets and his batting average is 20+, often batting at 3. Wasim named several spinners, including Kashif twice, but no mention of Zafar, hence I do believe unless he changes FC team from Lahore Blues to a Corporate side, they'll keep ignoring him.

He would have won the AUS series 2-0 & Kiwi Series at least 2-1, most likely 3-0.

Bilal is much better according to CS and the coach, lets not forget the captain.
 
Wake up on time when the next opportunity knocks on the door.
 
We did not select Fawad during his peak, now we not selecting likes of Zafar, Saud S, Saad A, and then we claim Pak mein talent nahin.
 
Don't know how a talent like him has not got opportunities. He really deserves a chance. He can even bat a bit as a number 8. I know Samit was playing well but dropping Zafar after 4 wickets was pathetic.
 
I think Umer Khan has gone ahead in the pecking order, partly beacuase of Zafar's lack of chances. Hope he does well today

2 wickets so far. Impressive bowling. Elite celebration as well for the 2nd wicket lol.
 
I want him in the Test side, but we have Yasir who already spins the ball away and teams like SL have so many lefties.
 
Was it you who laughed at me for calling Zafar world class a few weeks ago?


This guy is special
Apology accepted.

It was me who laughed at your “world class” term. He’s talented and has the potential to be a fine player but he has done nothing to be labelled as a world class player. Man ain’t even established at Intl level let alone delivering MOTM performances at Intl level.

You are from the same breed that calls any youngster world class and any established player at ODI level a legend. :))
 
lol at Umer Khan going ahead of him. The guy is yet to spin one off the straight this PSL. Zafar is in a different class.
 
It was me who laughed at your “world class” term. He’s talented and has the potential to be a fine player but he has done nothing to be labelled as a world class player. Man ain’t even established at Intl level let alone delivering MOTM performances at Intl level.

You are from the same breed that calls any youngster world class and any established player at ODI level a legend. :))

You clearly look for stats in everything rather than base a player on his ability.

He’s a bigger turner of the ball than anyone in Pakistan and has amazing pace variation and drift.

Yes- world class.

And show me on here where I have called any established player a legend? I am a huge critic of most overrated Pak players like Shafiq Umar Akmal etc
 
I want him in the Test side, but we have Yasir who already spins the ball away and teams like SL have so many lefties.

I don't get the fascination with having the ball spin away from the batsmen. A good spinner will get batsmen out regardless of their batting hand. Yasir Shah has almost as many wickets against left handers as he does right handers IIRC.
 
I don't get the fascination with having the ball spin away from the batsmen. A good spinner will get batsmen out regardless of their batting hand. Yasir Shah has almost as many wickets against left handers as he does right handers IIRC.


It's not fascination, rather understanding of cricket (or lack of it).

A spinner whose stock ball is going away from batsman always is much, much more potent for penetration (wicket taking ability), because he can bring many more wicket taking variations in his plan - remember, there are 10 ways a batsman can be out and 7 of those goes in bowlers' credit. A spinner who takes the ball away can bring slip catchers in play, can bring WK for stamping, can bring cover cordon for mis-timed drives, can bring short squire fielders (point, gully, short 3rd man) for miscued cuts. On top of that, he becomes twice effective if he can bring the odd ball in or held it's line without changing action much - it brings LBW, Bowled & Short Leg, Short Cover fielder in play. For SLAO spinner that tool is his armer, for leggi it's Googly or Flipper (Or something Warne used to call slider). The best in the business could drift inwards/outwards through air and then turn it other way after pitching - best I have seen ** Bedi, Qadir and Warne, who would drift in air towards right-handers leg and held line between sticks or whistle pass outside edge after pitching, while Qadir could drift away before a BIG Googly coming into wickets.

Some effect could be achieved by Off-spinner as well with big inward turners, but for one particular cricket Law - to get LBW, while playing shot batsman has to be stuck on line. Theoretically, unless batsman is deliberately padding up, an Offie should never get LBW against right hander, unless he beats the front pad and hit back leg - by the law of mechanics, a turning off-spin can't hit front leg in line and doesn't miss leg stick - the margin is only 6 inches. Against decent spin players, for an Offie on a good wicket, only realistic option is teasing batsman's patience by keeping it tight, and may be bring the 3 leg side catchers in play. But, there is also a problem - after Body-line, cricket rule was changed and now one can keep only 2 fielders behind Leg-umpire's line; so an Offie can only keep two of four such fielders - leg slip for thin edge, short leg at 45 degree for top edged sweep, back-ward squire leg for miscued flicks and deep leg boundary for solid hits.

SLAO spinner (Ala Gohar), will face similar sort of problems against left-handers, but naturally around 75-80% batsmen are right handers, hence Off-spinners without doosra, finds it extremely difficult on true surfaces. Moreover, right handed batsmen can always stress their front leg outside line and keep kicking or sweeping for whole day against an Offie - unless the bowler gets some awkward bounce -it's almost impossible to get a Test batsman out. However, Aussies are groomed on hard, true wickets and their game is dominated by squire of the wicket back-foot shots - a tight Offie can block their bread & butter shots and choke them, hence Offies have done well against Aussies by cramping them on back foot compared to SLAO spinners, whom Aussies play like a slow medium pacer and free their arm along the line.

Coming to Yasir - HE IS NOT A CONVENTIONAL LEGGI. Among top class Leggis, he has the least variations, has the least amount of turn - what he has is extreme accuracy and variation in pace, which works brilliantly on docile UAE or WIN wickets backed by his unreal stamina. Most of his wickets are not conventional Leg-spinners wicket (i. e. Caught behind batsman in arc, stumping or miscued drives), rather he gets among highest % of LBWs on typical UAE type wickets. Also, he bowls flipper almost like stock ball rather than as a surprise element which actually goes away from lefties slightly or keeps straight - but flipper pitched in line will always earn more LBWs against Lefties than right handers because Umpires need not to bother for "pitching out side leg" considerations in that case. Another tactical issue is, Yasir is playing in DRS era - umpires are bold enough to give LBW; I have seen left-handed batsmen get away with plumb LBWs against Qadir's flipper or conventional Leggis. Above all, Yasir is lucky to play in an era when spin play is at it's lowest point probably since 1st World War, hence his stakes are high with so little variation and spin. I can comfortably say that 3 WKs of 1990s - Kalu, Mongia & Moin would have been among top spin players of modern T20 era. These days anyone tacking the ball away from batsman is a hero because of lack of foot-work, inability to read the spin in air or from delivery action and using 3KG mallets called bat, which helps thinnest of edges reach fielders.

Zafar Gohar is a fantastic prospect and easily the best conventional spinner from PAK in last 10-12 years - comfortably a better potential than Shadab Khan, who is sinking by every day because he didn't develop his leg-spin bowling. Had Gohar been picked at the right time, PAK would have won SRL series 2-0, or at least made it 1-1, NZ series at least 2-1 and AUS series 2-0 as well...... and probably would have made a less shameful outing in SAF.
 
It's not fascination, rather understanding of cricket (or lack of it).

A spinner whose stock ball is going away from batsman always is much, much more potent for penetration (wicket taking ability), because he can bring many more wicket taking variations in his plan - remember, there are 10 ways a batsman can be out and 7 of those goes in bowlers' credit. A spinner who takes the ball away can bring slip catchers in play, can bring WK for stamping, can bring cover cordon for mis-timed drives, can bring short squire fielders (point, gully, short 3rd man) for miscued cuts. On top of that, he becomes twice effective if he can bring the odd ball in or held it's line without changing action much - it brings LBW, Bowled & Short Leg, Short Cover fielder in play. For SLAO spinner that tool is his armer, for leggi it's Googly or Flipper (Or something Warne used to call slider). The best in the business could drift inwards/outwards through air and then turn it other way after pitching - best I have seen ** Bedi, Qadir and Warne, who would drift in air towards right-handers leg and held line between sticks or whistle pass outside edge after pitching, while Qadir could drift away before a BIG Googly coming into wickets.

Some effect could be achieved by Off-spinner as well with big inward turners, but for one particular cricket Law - to get LBW, while playing shot batsman has to be stuck on line. Theoretically, unless batsman is deliberately padding up, an Offie should never get LBW against right hander, unless he beats the front pad and hit back leg - by the law of mechanics, a turning off-spin can't hit front leg in line and doesn't miss leg stick - the margin is only 6 inches. Against decent spin players, for an Offie on a good wicket, only realistic option is teasing batsman's patience by keeping it tight, and may be bring the 3 leg side catchers in play. But, there is also a problem - after Body-line, cricket rule was changed and now one can keep only 2 fielders behind Leg-umpire's line; so an Offie can only keep two of four such fielders - leg slip for thin edge, short leg at 45 degree for top edged sweep, back-ward squire leg for miscued flicks and deep leg boundary for solid hits.

SLAO spinner (Ala Gohar), will face similar sort of problems against left-handers, but naturally around 75-80% batsmen are right handers, hence Off-spinners without doosra, finds it extremely difficult on true surfaces. Moreover, right handed batsmen can always stress their front leg outside line and keep kicking or sweeping for whole day against an Offie - unless the bowler gets some awkward bounce -it's almost impossible to get a Test batsman out. However, Aussies are groomed on hard, true wickets and their game is dominated by squire of the wicket back-foot shots - a tight Offie can block their bread & butter shots and choke them, hence Offies have done well against Aussies by cramping them on back foot compared to SLAO spinners, whom Aussies play like a slow medium pacer and free their arm along the line.

Coming to Yasir - HE IS NOT A CONVENTIONAL LEGGI. Among top class Leggis, he has the least variations, has the least amount of turn - what he has is extreme accuracy and variation in pace, which works brilliantly on docile UAE or WIN wickets backed by his unreal stamina. Most of his wickets are not conventional Leg-spinners wicket (i. e. Caught behind batsman in arc, stumping or miscued drives), rather he gets among highest % of LBWs on typical UAE type wickets. Also, he bowls flipper almost like stock ball rather than as a surprise element which actually goes away from lefties slightly or keeps straight - but flipper pitched in line will always earn more LBWs against Lefties than right handers because Umpires need not to bother for "pitching out side leg" considerations in that case. Another tactical issue is, Yasir is playing in DRS era - umpires are bold enough to give LBW; I have seen left-handed batsmen get away with plumb LBWs against Qadir's flipper or conventional Leggis. Above all, Yasir is lucky to play in an era when spin play is at it's lowest point probably since 1st World War, hence his stakes are high with so little variation and spin. I can comfortably say that 3 WKs of 1990s - Kalu, Mongia & Moin would have been among top spin players of modern T20 era. These days anyone tacking the ball away from batsman is a hero because of lack of foot-work, inability to read the spin in air or from delivery action and using 3KG mallets called bat, which helps thinnest of edges reach fielders.

Zafar Gohar is a fantastic prospect and easily the best conventional spinner from PAK in last 10-12 years - comfortably a better potential than Shadab Khan, who is sinking by every day because he didn't develop his leg-spin bowling. Had Gohar been picked at the right time, PAK would have won SRL series 2-0, or at least made it 1-1, NZ series at least 2-1 and AUS series 2-0 as well...... and probably would have made a less shameful outing in SAF.

what I meant from my statement was that you should pick you best spinners regardless of which hand most of the opposition batsmen are. I understand the thd ball spinning away is much more dangerous than spinning inwards, but you shouldn't be selecting teams based on that.

During the 2017 CT game between Australia and England, Shane Warne talked about this. Steve Smith brought Glenn Maxwell (I think) in the attack before Adam zampa because there as a left hander, even though Zampa was clearly the superior bowler.

As I said, good bowlers will get batsmen out regardless of which hand they bat with. I wouldn't select Bilal Asif over Zafar Gohar just because he's an off spinner and there are many left handers, which is what our team management did. Zafar Gohar is 5 times the spinner Bilal Asif is.
 
It's not fascination, rather understanding of cricket (or lack of it).

A spinner whose stock ball is going away from batsman always is much, much more potent for penetration (wicket taking ability), because he can bring many more wicket taking variations in his plan - remember, there are 10 ways a batsman can be out and 7 of those goes in bowlers' credit. A spinner who takes the ball away can bring slip catchers in play, can bring WK for stamping, can bring cover cordon for mis-timed drives, can bring short squire fielders (point, gully, short 3rd man) for miscued cuts. On top of that, he becomes twice effective if he can bring the odd ball in or held it's line without changing action much - it brings LBW, Bowled & Short Leg, Short Cover fielder in play. For SLAO spinner that tool is his armer, for leggi it's Googly or Flipper (Or something Warne used to call slider). The best in the business could drift inwards/outwards through air and then turn it other way after pitching - best I have seen ** Bedi, Qadir and Warne, who would drift in air towards right-handers leg and held line between sticks or whistle pass outside edge after pitching, while Qadir could drift away before a BIG Googly coming into wickets.

Some effect could be achieved by Off-spinner as well with big inward turners, but for one particular cricket Law - to get LBW, while playing shot batsman has to be stuck on line. Theoretically, unless batsman is deliberately padding up, an Offie should never get LBW against right hander, unless he beats the front pad and hit back leg - by the law of mechanics, a turning off-spin can't hit front leg in line and doesn't miss leg stick - the margin is only 6 inches. Against decent spin players, for an Offie on a good wicket, only realistic option is teasing batsman's patience by keeping it tight, and may be bring the 3 leg side catchers in play. But, there is also a problem - after Body-line, cricket rule was changed and now one can keep only 2 fielders behind Leg-umpire's line; so an Offie can only keep two of four such fielders - leg slip for thin edge, short leg at 45 degree for top edged sweep, back-ward squire leg for miscued flicks and deep leg boundary for solid hits.

SLAO spinner (Ala Gohar), will face similar sort of problems against left-handers, but naturally around 75-80% batsmen are right handers, hence Off-spinners without doosra, finds it extremely difficult on true surfaces. Moreover, right handed batsmen can always stress their front leg outside line and keep kicking or sweeping for whole day against an Offie - unless the bowler gets some awkward bounce -it's almost impossible to get a Test batsman out. However, Aussies are groomed on hard, true wickets and their game is dominated by squire of the wicket back-foot shots - a tight Offie can block their bread & butter shots and choke them, hence Offies have done well against Aussies by cramping them on back foot compared to SLAO spinners, whom Aussies play like a slow medium pacer and free their arm along the line.

Coming to Yasir - HE IS NOT A CONVENTIONAL LEGGI. Among top class Leggis, he has the least variations, has the least amount of turn - what he has is extreme accuracy and variation in pace, which works brilliantly on docile UAE or WIN wickets backed by his unreal stamina. Most of his wickets are not conventional Leg-spinners wicket (i. e. Caught behind batsman in arc, stumping or miscued drives), rather he gets among highest % of LBWs on typical UAE type wickets. Also, he bowls flipper almost like stock ball rather than as a surprise element which actually goes away from lefties slightly or keeps straight - but flipper pitched in line will always earn more LBWs against Lefties than right handers because Umpires need not to bother for "pitching out side leg" considerations in that case. Another tactical issue is, Yasir is playing in DRS era - umpires are bold enough to give LBW; I have seen left-handed batsmen get away with plumb LBWs against Qadir's flipper or conventional Leggis. Above all, Yasir is lucky to play in an era when spin play is at it's lowest point probably since 1st World War, hence his stakes are high with so little variation and spin. I can comfortably say that 3 WKs of 1990s - Kalu, Mongia & Moin would have been among top spin players of modern T20 era. These days anyone tacking the ball away from batsman is a hero because of lack of foot-work, inability to read the spin in air or from delivery action and using 3KG mallets called bat, which helps thinnest of edges reach fielders.

Zafar Gohar is a fantastic prospect and easily the best conventional spinner from PAK in last 10-12 years - comfortably a better potential than Shadab Khan, who is sinking by every day because he didn't develop his leg-spin bowling. Had Gohar been picked at the right time, PAK would have won SRL series 2-0, or at least made it 1-1, NZ series at least 2-1 and AUS series 2-0 as well...... and probably would have made a less shameful outing in SAF.

Great post
 
Easily the best spinning talent in Pak who can actually turn it big on most surfaces, got a decent variation and control as well, I remember him being a darter in u16 moin khan academy matches, he was dead accurate and now he can turn it big as well, let's give him a chance in worldcup.
 
No idea why is out of contention for national side where a hack like Nawaz getting a free ride, gohar can bat as well as Nawaz if not better.
 
lol at Umer Khan going ahead of him. The guy is yet to spin one off the straight this PSL. Zafar is in a different class.

I was talking from a selection PoV. Zafar for some reason is already not a selectors favourite, and Umer's performance would have put him further down the radar. To add to that, Umer is in Mickey's team which obviously works in his favour too.

As far as their bowling goes, both are very good prospects, Zafar is the biggest turner of the ball in the country, Umer relies more on out-thinking the batsmen and varying his pace and drift.

Also Umer did spin a few deliveries away from the batsman yesterday, nowhere near as big as the turn Zafar got, but it did show he can spin the ball unlike Nawaz or Imad.
 
I was talking from a selection PoV. Zafar for some reason is already not a selectors favourite, and Umer's performance would have put him further down the radar. To add to that, Umer is in Mickey's team which obviously works in his favour too.

As far as their bowling goes, both are very good prospects, Zafar is the biggest turner of the ball in the country, Umer relies more on out-thinking the batsmen and varying his pace and drift.

Also Umer did spin a few deliveries away from the batsman yesterday, nowhere near as big as the turn Zafar got, but it did show he can spin the ball unlike Nawaz or Imad.

Apparently rumour has it that Tauseef Ahmed the dinosaur doesn’t rate Gohar and as he’s a part of the selection committee Gohar will continue to be ignored.

Umer clearly has potential but Gohar is miles ahead as a complete package. Proper spinner, good fielder and gutsy with the bat.
 
Apparently rumour has it that Tauseef Ahmed the dinosaur doesn’t rate Gohar and as he’s a part of the selection committee Gohar will continue to be ignored.

Umer clearly has potential but Gohar is miles ahead as a complete package. Proper spinner, good fielder and gutsy with the bat.

Dang, who is this fool? Hopefully he gets kicked out so that Zafar can finally have a chance. or maybe Zafar should perform so well in PSL and domestics so that he can't be ignored by these idiot selectors!
 
Apparently rumour has it that Tauseef Ahmed the dinosaur doesn’t rate Gohar and as he’s a part of the selection committee Gohar will continue to be ignored.

Umer clearly has potential but Gohar is miles ahead as a complete package. Proper spinner, good fielder and gutsy with the bat.

Tauseef will probably get his son selected before Gohar.
 
How has it taken IU this long to play him? They have desperately needed a wicket taking option in the middle overs.
 
They wanted to play the Legend that is Samit Patel instead of him.

IU's thinking this season has been weird. They were playing Parnell as a batsman ahead of Phil Salt and were then surprised when they kept collapsing. Very irritating the likes of Amad, Nasir and Zafar have been warming the bench.
 
In case people are wondering what happened when Zafar was selected but didn't arrive:

For any young player to be called in for a major international series would be a dream come true and when he was called in to replace the injured Yasir Shah for the first Test in Abu Dhabi in late 2015, it appeared that a Test debut was in the offing. As fate would have it, this was not to be. Scheduled to fly overnight to the UAE, Gohar missed his flight due to bizarre reasons which he clarified.

“I was at fault at that time as I overslept and missed the flight to the UAE. I was under the impression that I could take the next flight in the morning but this turned out to be an incorrect assumption. The whole embarrassing issue was really my fault for which I have apologised already.”
 
IU's thinking this season has been weird. They were playing Parnell as a batsman ahead of Phil Salt and were then surprised when they kept collapsing. Very irritating the likes of Amad, Nasir and Zafar have been warming the bench.

Zafar wasn't given a chance for ISLU because Shadab backs his own bowling way to much, he's not remotely as good a bowler as Zafar has been. His bowling ever since trying to be a superstar all-rounder has produced figures which are almost equal to those of a batsman who is asked to bowl a few times.

I strongly believe that Zafar should leave ISLU for his own good, but who knows if he gets picked by another team. If I were the management of any PSL team, I'd look to acquire him if he ever tries to leave ISLU, because he's frankly under rated in T20 cricket as well. ISLU need to get their head out of the clouds and use the all-rounder resources they have, which are the best in the PSL. They have Shadab, Faheem, Zafar, and Amad Butt all available.
 
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