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"I can perform the role of a hitter and finisher for the Pakistan side" : Khushdil Shah

When you get an opportunity, you make the most of it or you go home. Simple
 
I've been saying this for a long time.

Not many people listen or believe me. They just believe the domestic average and Khushdil's leg side hacks against 3rd class bowling.

He's not an international class batsman. At best he can take some singles and doubles at the international level.

Doesn't have the technique and timing to face even low tier international bowling.

Will continue to prey on third class domestic trundling with his leg side hacks.
 
Reminds me of Awais Zia. Pak has bee producing some garbage batsmen of late but he is on top of that.
 
Told you before he is pretty useless like that asif ali and that something hussain guy , as poor as those Farhans and others. Just another hack dominating Pakistan cricket, someone who doesn’t know how to time the ball. Atleast take singles, his poor batting cost Pakistan so dearly and hafeez a 100.
 
He's the type of batsman we can "tennesy" in cricket circles here in KP. A tennis ball player who has feasted on slow wickets and third-class bowlers in domestics. Not even remotely international material. They have to give him the third game too and discard him permanently after that. Danish Aziz, Sharjeel, and Azam Khan are real options if you have any eye at all for international-level talent.
 
The only shot he's got is the slog to a waist-high medium pace and probably the slog sweep. A hack of the worst kind. Mamoon is right about KP batsmen. We don't produce good ones here.
 
Selection is not about picking someone with the best stats. You've got to look for the rough diamonds out there who may not have the best stats but with a little bit of polishing, can be turned into international class cricketers.

Someone like Nasir Nawaz for example may not have great stats, but when you look at him bat, you immediately see an English-style modern limited-overs batsman. The good thing is that Mohammad Wasim sees that, and will hopefully help him get a PSL contract this year.
 
How many matches this guy has played already? I have to give credit to team management to give him all the chances so he can show his real aukat. This guy has spoken more than actually performed.
 
Let the guy get some games under his belt and a consistent run in the side . I mean if we can give the likes of Malik and Hafeez over 200 international matches each for very mediocre output why can’t he be given 5-10 games to prove himself at least before we start writing him off.
 
Pakistani players have such a bad habit of running their mouths before they prove themselves worthy of playing international cricket.

‘I will take 10 wickets.’
‘I can be the next pinch hitter Pakistan needs.’
‘Pakistan middle-order needs me.’
‘I want to bowl at 150 km/h.’

And , their statements come back to bite their ....
 
He is not international class for me, no matter how many games you give him. He makes Umar Akmal look like Viv Richard.
 
Been using stats for one year now to prove that Iftikhar is much better than any other 5/6 in the country right now. He’s not particularly better, but he’s really our only option.

PP tends to have a habit of overhyping youngsters without looking into their game and reasons for success.

The reason Khushdil is successful domestically is because no one in the opposition is smart enough to use stats to analyse his game — that is, Khushdil never gets checked on his off side.

All of his major scores are leg side dominant premeditated shots. He’s still the second best in the country after Iftikhar, which tells us a lot about our grave middle order situation in T20s.

We need DATA in domestic cricket. And we ABSOLUTELY need data in international cricket.
 
It is better to give him 5 extra games and find out if he has it, rather than drop an inexperienced player too quickly. Uncle Ifti isn't the answer
 
saeedhk said:
Pakistani players have such a bad habit of running their mouths before they prove themselves worthy of playing international cricket.

‘I will take 10 wickets.’
‘I can be the next pinch hitter Pakistan needs.’
‘Pakistan middle-order needs me.’
‘I want to bowl at 150 km/h.’

And , their statements come back to bite their ....
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So you want them to say they aren't the people for the job. Try to get a job with that attitude and let me know how you get on
 
Markhor said:
Sorry but Zimbabwe isn't the barometer of whether a player has what it takes. He is far too leg-side dominant against the pacers and any top team that do their homework will work him over unless he improves his shot range.
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You were warned...
 
GreenKhan said:
Let the guy get some games under his belt and a consistent run in the side . I mean if we can give the likes of Malik and Hafeez over 200 international matches each for very mediocre output why can’t he be given 5-10 games to prove himself at least before we start writing him off.
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Agreed. He's playing down under against a world class attack with hardly any match practice beforehand.

How many inexperienced batsmen would thrive in these conditions?

Misbah could easily have selected Shoaib Malik and Ifti chacha and you all would have moaned at that too. If you don't want to return to that then learn to be patient before writing someone off.
 
hitthestump said:
Agreed. He's playing down under against a world class attack with hardly any match practice beforehand.

How many inexperienced batsmen would thrive in these conditions?

Misbah could easily have selected Shoaib Malik and Ifti chacha and you all would have moaned at that too. If you don't want to return to that then learn to be patient before writing someone off.
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Shoaib Malik should be selected, Iftikhar should be kept away from the team.

Most importantly, Misbah and Waqar need to be removed from their roles if we are to have a chance in the upcoming WC - worst coaches / influencers ever.

PCB tried to fix something that was not broken in the first place - Mickey Arthur and Sarfaraz were doing a good job. There was no need for an overhaul.

I can only repeat this so many time - Misbah-ul-Haq is the worst thing that could've happened to Pakistan Limited Overs cricket. And he keeps coming back to prove it over and over again.

Has never performed as an LOI captain / player / coach / selector. Please let's get rid of him.
 
Tabishbeigh said:
Told you before he is pretty useless like that asif ali and that something hussain guy , as poor as those Farhans and others. Just another hack dominating Pakistan cricket, someone who doesn’t know how to time the ball. Atleast take singles, his poor batting cost Pakistan so dearly and hafeez a 100.
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Agreed. He seemed like a very poor batsman. No technique, no temperament and worst of all no understanding of the game.

Thank you for yet another series loss Misbah / Waqar. You are amazing.
 
Another bits and pieces slogger is now at PCBs disposal. He may come good 10% of the matches, rest will be a disaster.
 
He is supposed to be our main lower order hitter but till now he has scored total 30 runs in 40 balls. His strike rate is 75 which is worst by any Pakistani batsmen in this series.
 
If Khushdil Shah is the standard we have, why was Asif Ali discarded? (I don't know where he is these days)
 
Played just his 3rd overseas T20I against a very good side. I believe he needs to be persisted with and should be given a long run. He is young and his list A record is too good to discard him after handful of matches. He should atleast be given as many matches as Asif Ali was given despite Asif's mediocre domestic record.

If he can settle at international level he has good upside as a hitter/finisher. Asif Ali averaged 27 in List A and his ODI average is 27 as well, if Khushdil can come anywhere close to his domestic list A record at international level he can be handful.
 
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Titan24 said:
Played just his 3rd overseas T20I against a very good side. I believe he needs to be persisted with and should be given a long run. He is young and his list A record is too good to discard him after handful of matches. He should atleast be given as many matches as Asif Ali was given despite Asif's mediocre domestic record.

If he can settle at international level he has good upside as a hitter/finisher. Asif Ali averaged 27 in List A and his ODI average is 27 as well, if Khushdil can come anywhere close to his domestic list A record at international level he can be handful.
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I would give him more chances but the problem isn’t that he isn’t scoring or do I sting but the problem is he didn’t look in control at any point yesterday despite getting in
 
I'm not convinced with him either. I think we should look towards Hussain Talat, he can play all around the ground. He was also a lot more consistent for SP than Khushdil Shah. Khushdil scored that one century and I think one or 2 more fifties and failed the rest of the times.
 
Very average with very little ability. Though he should be given few more games before he's dumped at least till SA T20s
 
Slog said:
I would give him more chances but the problem isn’t that he isn’t scoring or do I sting but the problem is he didn’t look in control at any point yesterday despite getting in
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Had he scored even at 120 SR Pak would have scored around 180. Hafeez literally had zero support
 
Bewal Express said:
So you want them to say they aren't the people for the job. Try to get a job with that attitude and let me know how you get on
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I do not want them to run their mouths before they even take a single wicket or before they score a single run. I want them to let their performance do the talking.
 
Greenstorm said:
Never got the hype behind him.

He is a mediocre cricketer even for our standards.
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I heard so much about him over here but nothing to show so far. He has a side crouching stance and technically looks like abatsmen who wait for the ball in the slot to slog over mid wicket. Seems very tapeballish.
 
Every youngster has failed on this tour yet there is this targetted criticism against one guy.

People.bring his first class average yet no one talk about his list A stats which is average of 47 and strike rate of 95 (approx), he is a better white ball player than a red ball, and is selected for LOIs and not for test matches.

As far as being a hack is concerned, Pakistan needs hacks and a few of them. Next world cup is India and we need Khusdil to play all of the remaining t20s to settle in at the international level. No one among the Shafiqs, haiders and Shahs have performed on New Zealand pitches one factor is the lack of exposure to foreign conditions and the only way to improve on that is through regular A tours while that isn't available yet let them play at the international level and not involve them in musical chair for a position in national team.
 
Cut him some slack. We had lost early wickets, he was building a partnership, playing in unfamiliar conditions against good bowling side. The shot he got out was inches from being a six and if he had that bit of luck he may have teeed off from there and ending with 40+ with decent strike rate in the end. Sometimes you need a bit of luck also.
He was poor in the field though. Fielding is something we seem to be getting worse at since we lost Steve Rixon.
Most likely he will be benched for Ifti in the last game, but I would still keep him in squad for future.
 
mon858 said:
Cut him some slack. We had lost early wickets, he was building a partnership, playing in unfamiliar conditions against good bowling side. The shot he got out was inches from being a six and if he had that bit of luck he may have teeed off from there and ending with 40+ with decent strike rate in the end. Sometimes you need a bit of luck also.
He was poor in the field though. Fielding is something we seem to be getting worse at since we lost Steve Rixon.
Most likely he will be benched for Ifti in the last game, but I would still keep him in squad for future.
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Inches from being a six on one of the smallest boundaries in the world is a little lackluster, no?

But yes, I’d give him the last game.
 
anonymous_guy said:
Every youngster has failed on this tour yet there is this targetted criticism against one guy.

People.bring his first class average yet no one talk about his list A stats which is average of 47 and strike rate of 95 (approx), he is a better white ball player than a red ball, and is selected for LOIs and not for test matches.

As far as being a hack is concerned, Pakistan needs hacks and a few of them. Next world cup is India and we need Khusdil to play all of the remaining t20s to settle in at the international level. No one among the Shafiqs, haiders and Shahs have performed on New Zealand pitches one factor is the lack of exposure to foreign conditions and the only way to improve on that is through regular A tours while that isn't available yet let them play at the international level and not involve them in musical chair for a position in national team.
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Pakistani international team is rubbish so what could be the standard of our List A cricket. Khushdil is not international material and if he has an average of 47 at a SR of 95 in List A, it clearly shows that our List A is played at a joke level.

This is the same List A where Masood bats like Dhawan and Manzoor bats like Rohit.
 
anonymous_guy said:
Every youngster has failed on this tour yet there is this targetted criticism against one guy.

People.bring his first class average yet no one talk about his list A stats which is average of 47 and strike rate of 95 (approx), he is a better white ball player than a red ball, and is selected for LOIs and not for test matches.

As far as being a hack is concerned, Pakistan needs hacks and a few of them. Next world cup is India and we need Khusdil to play all of the remaining t20s to settle in at the international level. No one among the Shafiqs, haiders and Shahs have performed on New Zealand pitches one factor is the lack of exposure to foreign conditions and the only way to improve on that is through regular A tours while that isn't available yet let them play at the international level and not involve them in musical chair for a position in national team.
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Ifti, Rizwan and Khushdil seem to get the most hatred. Everyone ignoring a double duck by Abdullah and two failures by Haider

Pakistan will neevr fully succeed considering how quickly it discards players. Teams aren't built in a day, has Ifti ever gotten ten consecutive games with the bat to prove himself? No? The closest he got was the Srilanka and Australia tour and his average ended up being 58 in T20. People act as if the greats of the game were all amazing in their first 5 games.

Steve Smith was a failed spinner and now he's one of the best Bats in the world
 
GudduBadmash said:
Ifti, Rizwan and Khushdil seem to get the most hatred. Everyone ignoring a double duck by Abdullah and two failures by Haider

Pakistan will neevr fully succeed considering how quickly it discards players. Teams aren't built in a day, has Ifti ever gotten ten consecutive games with the bat to prove himself? No? The closest he got was the Srilanka and Australia tour and his average ended up being 58 in T20. People act as if the greats of the game were all amazing in their first 5 games.

Steve Smith was a failed spinner and now he's one of the best Bats in the world
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Are you suggesting khushdil should become a spinner :murali
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistani international team is rubbish so what could be the standard of our List A cricket. Khushdil is not international material and if he has an average of 47 at a SR of 95 in List A, it clearly shows that our List A is played at a joke level.

This is the same List A where Masood bats like Dhawan and Manzoor bats like Rohit.
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The condition isnt as extreme as you described.

Every team around the world is struggling out of their comfort zone.
Australia struggles when they tour the subcontinent.
India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh struggle in SENA.
Pakistan gets a pasting in Australia and South Africa.

Thus is the current situation of teams, there is absolutely no ELITE team in world cricket right now, every teams just dominates in its home pitches or the pitches that resembles their home condition and whenever they tour all they do is to just somehow salvage something out of the tour.
 
Third Man said:
Selection is not about picking someone with the best stats. You've got to look for the rough diamonds out there who may not have the best stats but with a little bit of polishing, can be turned into international class cricketers.

Someone like Nasir Nawaz for example may not have great stats, but when you look at him bat, you immediately see an English-style modern limited-overs batsman. The good thing is that Mohammad Wasim sees that, and will hopefully help him get a PSL contract this year.
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Completely agree. I have been a huge supporter of Umar Amin previously and without doubt I have this confidence in me that had Umar worked under Mickey for a year or more he would have yielded amazing results in international circuit till retirement especially in tests.

Nasir Nawaz is also someone I had noticed previously and completely agree he should be trained and mentored for future. Covid gave the team a massive opportunity to take 40 players on tour and if on such tours we cannot find room for future players then we aint going to succeed now or later.

Last point, I'm quite confident that Misbah and think tank co. would have been completely aware that Khushdil would fail in international cricket but they still selected him and one of the reason was they didn't had the spine to face backlash from media if they didn't select him.

I'm also sure they knew Abdullah Shafique would not do well in T20 hence they still selected him, on flip side Abdullah can do better in ODI circuit but alas they wouldn't select him there when the time comes.

All we want is a consistent think tank who can back their choices and think forward rather than just stats and media pressure.
 
T20 Cricket is truly a mesmerizing format of the game. The best teams have caught onto something so simple and unique which is often overlooked, which separates them from the rest. It's something most Pakistanis fail to comprehend.

T20 cricket is not about hitting the big shots on every ball. If everyone goes chasing the ball from the first over, you'll end up at 29/5.

The best teams have learned how to rotate strike efficiently and change the field settings to their advantage. Taking singles and doubles is equally as important as hitting the ball cleanly.

Our youngsters have all failed to impress me with rotation of strike. They consume dot balls and put pressure on top of themselves. They try to go after every single ball and then fail to do so, and produe scores of 16 from 20.

Simple rotation of strike with the odd boundary can put your strike rate at 125-130. After that comes the ability to power the ball over the infield to raise the strike rate even higher.

Hafeez is a 40 year old man but runs faster between the wickets than our so-called youngsters. He is the silver lining that we have yet again put our faith in on this tour.

If it were up to me, I'd play him in the tests over our mediocre openers, because the form he is in, he'd probably score heaps of runs.

Anyway, the topic was on Khushdil Shah. He neither rotates strike nor finds the gaps. There are such boundaries along the ground which are extremely safe, yet, he takes unnecessary risks. Hopefully we see a change, otherwise, it might be the end of the road for him.
 
anonymous_guy said:
Nah, he is just suggesting that Khusdil along with other youngsters should be given with ample chances to prove themselves and only then anyone will be able to perform at their best.
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Yes, if you pick someone for the national team give them 10 games. That's basic, they may flop five times in a row but then finally get that lucky break and go on from there.

That gaikwad guy for Chennai had continuous failures. Think five ducks in a row. They persisted and he started to score heavily. India now has another potentially solid opener. We would have dropped the guy after five failures like that and never heard of them again
 
6 then out for Khushdil, nails a pull but straight to the fielder. Another underwhelming innings from him, a run-a-ball 12.

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Power hitters don't make overnight he needs atleast 2 years of international t20 to develop and he is still young if you have that patience because he us the best Pakistan has.
 
I fear another Asif Ali type situation. He’ll do well in domestics, will keep slogging away, but won’t be able to get the job done in Internationals. And cause he’ll keep performing in domestics, we’ll keep recalling him to the National Team thinking now he’s good enough, but he probably won’t be. I honestly hope that’s not the case, but it seems to be with every middle order power hitter we’ve produced recently.
 
Kroll said:
Yeah, I'll back him for now, shown glimpses of what he can do when he fires.
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To be fair (giving some leniency) he did hit the shot well but just found a fielder any other day would've been 4. He's fun to watch when he gets going. Let's see what he does in the next games.
 
this thread just shows how clueless most of this forum is about pakistan cricket, and cricket in general.

hes been dominating in PSL , national t20, pakistan cup, his whole life, and you guys judge him based on 8 matches ? of which most of them he was not out...... batting at number 6 lol

geniouses on this board honestly.


leg side hack? didnt he score most of his boundaries offside in his big knocks in PSL? almost all his sixes off haris rauf and all the good bowlers were long off or deep extra cover

did eveyrbody fall asleep on january 4th 2021? or did people actually watch his 70 off 42 where he played magnificant cut shots and cover drives?

unreal some of these fans
 
Not being himself at international stage currently and is trying to get used to the pressure at international stage. Its very common for many players coming into international cricket. The shot he got out on today, he would have dispatched 9 times out of 10 in domestic cricket which shows he is still trying to adjust to this level mentally. Considering the lack of power hitting options, I think we need to invest more in him considering the ability he has shown at domestic level.

He has really good List A and PSL record and definitely deserves more chances as he is one of the better hitters we have whether we like it or not. Also it takes some time to develop players and we as fans along with management are sometimes too impatient. Yes after considerable number of opportunities if he still struggles than someone who stands up in domestic cricket in the meantime can be given a proper run but, at the moment he has earned it and should be continued with in my opinion.
 
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You can’t be the Pakistani Morgan if you can’t play the reverse sweep
 
Maybe its time for Sohaib Maqsood again. I wouldnt be surprised if Fakhar Zaman offered more at 6 than this fellow.
 
This guy is a hitter and finisher right? Because he is currently 3 from 10 in the 16th over of a T20.

And now all the dot ball pressure he built up has got Rizwan out.
 
This player is in the same mediocre league as Cha Cha Ifti and Talat. It is baffling how such clowns make it to international cricket in Pakistan.
 
Markhor said:
Sorry but Zimbabwe isn't the barometer of whether a player has what it takes. He is far too leg-side dominant against the pacers and any top team that do their homework will work him over unless he improves his shot range.
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Said this on Nov 10th, so this isn't a surprise.

Now yes I keep banging on about importance of domestic numbers, but you also have to use your eyes too.
 
Very ordinary innings.

Looks like a limited batsman to me and the sort that better bowlers will work out very quickly.
 
Not a fan of Asif Ali but do we really think Khushdil is a better player than Asif?
 
A perfect representation of the talent crisis in Pakistan today.

Our players are just not good enough. They lack the talent to excel at the highest level.
 
Painful innings comes to an end:

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Same Khushdil will be smacking the poor bowlers of PSL all around the park.
 
Mamoon said:
Same Khushdil will be smacking the poor bowlers of PSL all around the park.
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Don't remember him doing that much in the PSL either. He might have had one or two innings, but mostly he was probably just whacking the odd spinner.
 
His biggest problem besides the technical flaw is he doesn't seem mentally very strong.
Chokes up in international cricket.
Very apparent in his play. Seen him get out to full tosses in internationals.
 
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