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"I can't see Pakistan getting 20 wickets in these conditions" : Mickey Arthur

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Mickey Arthur on Day 1 of the Adelaide Test:

"I thought Pakistan were ragged in the field, your 3rd and 4th bowler have gone for 170 in 27 overs when you've picked only 4 bowlers. They didn't exert any control and never built any pressure, it was a poor day all around for Pakistan"

"Shaheen Shah Afridi looked good. Abbas has gone at under 3 giving an element of control, but he didn't look like getting a wicket and didn't attack the stumps, but he controlled the game to a point. Musa, disappointing. He's 19 so it's a learning curve but it's tough to learn in Test cricket, there nowhere to hide. Yasir was disappointing, his plans were wrong, bowling at Warner's pads with men back. He never applied any pressure and took LBW and bowled out of the equation. It was just so disjointed"

"I was bemused that Pakistan would have even thought of bowling first, luckily they didn't win the toss. You can not think about bowling first at Adelaide, I can't believe that crossed their minds"

"They were bowling with 2.5 seamers to be honest and their gun bowler in Yasir Shah didn't get it right. That meant that they had to bowl part timers, and they aren't going to get you wickets. This is Test cricket, this is why I keep harping on that they have to play 5 bowlers. Otherwise you're going to get exposed in these conditions. To win Tests, you need to take 20 wickets otherwise you won't win. I can't see Pakistan getting 20 wickets in these conditions"

"Shaheen is a whole hearted guy, he's not the best fielder but he gives it his all, he had a poor day in the field today. The soccer skills are horrendous, but I think we should get him partnering Lacazetter up front for Arsenal! He's a whole hearted trier, I like the fact that he could laugh at himself. It wasn't good enough, he knows that and it'll hurt him, he'll train hard"

"Shaheen was the best bowler without a doubt, he hit the areas well and troubled the batsmen, he bowled some good short balls and his pace was up there"

"The bowlers' pitch map, despite the left hand and right hand combo at that time, looks like some spray paint up against the wall. Those balls should be in a far more concise area, it's all over the place. Normally you get a fairly good grouping and bouncers. That's just way too many in poor areas and hence the score"

"It's hard to criticise Musa, it's his first Test and he's a young boy making his debut and I think he's going to be very good but that's not good enough for international bowling. As an international bowler, the expectation is you can build some pressure, you find your length, you find the length where the ball will hit the top of off, you pepper that length and use your bouncer and build some pressure. That is far too scattered, he can't build pressure, he's giving width, his lengths are indifferent and he's going at 6/over. A nightmare for the captain since he's got to get his overs from somebody else"

"Pakistan are going to have a serious discussion about their tactics and plans, the only way back is to get wickets otherwise it will drift away. We saw it drifting away in the 2nd session where they were defensive, they started it with a part-time bowler when it was their best opportunity to take wickets"

"They have to give Yasir the license to take wickets, he's going for runs anyway. Give him an attacking field and let him bowl the attacking, today he bowled a very defensive line. Let him attack and let's have Shaheen Shah Afridi come in and attack. Then you have Abbas, Iftikhar or whoever, bowl tightly and stop the game from one end. Otherwise they will sit back tomorrow and wait for a declaration, which will come when it's dark. Cummins, Hazlewood and Starc will come running at them with a brand new pink ball under the lights and that won't be good"
 
So he is going from

I think Pakistan could surprise Australia in the next Test

To this. Real funny fellow.
 
What I dont get though is, if he can analyze this well, why were we losing even home tests under him?
 
This guy is so shameless lol.

Like one should have some modicum of respect for himself and ones own reputation.
 
What I dont get though is, if he can analyze this well, why were we losing even home tests under him?

Because of his cheesy lines, our average PPer is under the impression we were a good team under him, and were winning things. At the bottom in Tests now.

"We're a proud team. We hate losing" - PPers saw it as words from a great successful coach.
 
This guy is so shameless lol.

Like one should have some modicum of respect for himself and ones own reputation.

And has the audacity to lead the calls for bringing back Malik, Sarfraz.
 
Because of his cheesy lines, our average PPer is under the impression we were a good team under him, and were winning things. At the bottom in Tests now.

"We're a proud team. We hate losing" - PPers saw it as words from a great successful coach.

"We aim to play fearless cricket in Australia" : Misbah-ul-Haq

Appoints Azhar Ali as captain.

312/1
302/1

:salute
 
What I dont get though is, if he can analyze this well, why were we losing even home tests under him?

Because analyzing and coaching are two different things. We don’t know what he said in the dressing room. We only know what happen outside of it. Its possible communication barrier played a huge role?
 
What I dont get though is, if he can analyze this well, why were we losing even home tests under him?

The conclusion you just found is that he was a good coach working with a terrible team.
 
To think that Azhar would have bowled first had he won the toss and PAK was lucky that only 73 overs were bowled (& 50% of those by two lead pacers) .....

Imagine, Azhar inverting Aussies in and 90 overs are bowled with Shaheen and Abbas forced to bowl 23-25 overs each!!!!!
 
Honestly Pak bowling isn't good enough to pick 20 wickets anywhere irrespective of the toss, pitch, condition and opponent.
 
Because analyzing and coaching are two different things. We don’t know what he said in the dressing room. We only know what happen outside of it. Its possible communication barrier played a huge role?

If he is an analyst, what is he doing coaching for so long?

And why is he joining Sri Lanka for a coaching position.

I have nothing against Mickey. He might be a good coach. But after the performances he doled out for Pakistan, he would do better than to offer his "insight" at this particular time. When the time was there for his insight, we lost all the tests that mattered.
 
Honestly Pak bowling isn't good enough to pick 20 wickets anywhere irrespective of the toss, pitch, condition and opponent.

i think they are ok in UAE sometimes and can take 20 wickets sometimes (again not consistently as NZ and Aus showed last year)
 
"This is Test cricket, this is why I keep harping on that they have to play 5 bowlers" - Talk is cheap. Wasn't Mickey Pakistan's coach on their last tour to Australia, when in each of the 3 test matches, 5th bowler was Azhar Ali?
 
i think they are ok in UAE sometimes and can take 20 wickets sometimes (again not consistently as NZ and Aus showed last year)
With Yasir going down and Abbas found out I highly doubt that, remember they won't have Amir and Wahab this time.
 
If he is an analyst, what is he doing coaching for so long?

And why is he joining Sri Lanka for a coaching position.

I have nothing against Mickey. He might be a good coach. But after the performances he doled out for Pakistan, he would do better than to offer his "insight" at this particular time. When the time was there for his insight, we lost all the tests that mattered.

He is a expert on Tensports. He is here to give analyze for this Test series. Hence why you see his opinions. I did mention communication barrier could have played a part in why Pakistan never performed as well. Who knows maybe Sri-Lanka will better use him than we have?
 
"This is Test cricket, this is why I keep harping on that they have to play 5 bowlers" - Talk is cheap. Wasn't Mickey Pakistan's coach on their last tour to Australia, when in each of the 3 test matches, 5th bowler was Azhar Ali?

It was Misbah's team then, Mickey did not want to challenge the captain who was seen as a father figure, especially first year in his coaching.

To be fair, he did resort to five bowler strategy, and it did pay dividends against Ireland and England last year.
 
He is a expert on Tensports. He is here to give analyze for this Test series. Hence why you see his opinions. I did mention communication barrier could have played a part in why Pakistan never performed as well. Who knows maybe Sri-Lanka will better use him than we have?

But some of his opinions are exactly contradictory to what he did himself.

Anyways, as I said I will see how Sri Lanka fares with him but to be honest Pakistan did well in T20 under him but really were in a rut in Tests and ODIs.
 
He is a expert on Tensports. He is here to give analyze for this Test series. Hence why you see his opinions. I did mention communication barrier could have played a part in why Pakistan never performed as well. Who knows maybe Sri-Lanka will better use him than we have?

Srilanka, with a population of less than Karachi, will find it difficult to bring forth quality players with consistency.

Mickey did not always get what he wanted. He wanted Sarfaraz removed back around January, as per reports, but did not have his way.

Nonetheless, he did have flaws, but he wasnt a terrible coach and a longer rope might have resulted in better fortunes for the Pakistan team.

With Misbah, its all doom and gloom for Pakistan cricket
 
But some of his opinions are exactly contradictory to what he did himself.

Anyways, as I said I will see how Sri Lanka fares with him but to be honest Pakistan did well in T20 under him but really were in a rut in Tests and ODIs.

It did not help when our captain was a liability to the team. Funny thing is Azhar is that for his Test team. We went from one unperformer to another.
 
Don’t shoot the messenger: he is right about what went wrong. He never said Pakistan can surprise Australia if Pakistan
- bowl first on a bat first wicket
- continue to bowl the legside line with Yasir that Misbah implemented in 2016
- select an uncapped pacer who is not ready
- forget how they bowled on day 2 of the last test

And for what it’s worth his job as is the channels job to hype the positives from losses. They are trying to attract viewership and advertising. If you want Opus Dei : join the million of whatsapp groups that exist in Pakistan forever lamenting how Pakistan is going bad because something happened in 1971
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Srilanka, with a population of less than Karachi, will find it difficult to bring forth quality players with consistency.

Mickey did not always get what he wanted. He wanted Sarfaraz removed back around January, as per reports, but did not have his way.

Nonetheless, he did have flaws, but he wasnt a terrible coach and a longer rope might have resulted in better fortunes for the Pakistan team.

With Misbah, its all doom and gloom for Pakistan cricket

Sri-Lanka despite its population still produced some fine players. Talent wise they are not so below either. What they need is a strong personality to push them forward. Mickey seems like that guy. If given the right authority I can see him doing well for Sri-Lanka.

Yeah Misbah has been consistently horrible. Heck don’t even need to see the match to know how bad we are. We are now consistently bad. Expect rankings to drop further in all three formats of the game.
 
Don’t shoot the messenger: he is right about what went wrong. He never said Pakistan can surprise Australia if Pakistan
- bowl first on a bat first wicket
- continue to bowl the legside line with Yasir that Misbah implemented in 2016
- select an uncapped pacer who is not ready
- forget how they bowled on day 2 of the last test

And for what it’s worth his job as is the channels job to hype the positives from losses. They are trying to attract viewership and advertising. If you want Opus Dei : join the million of whatsapp groups that exist in Pakistan forever lamenting how Pakistan is going bad because something happened in 1971
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But the so called "Messenger" has an agenda if you read between the lines lol

"Pakistan are going to have a serious discussion about their tactics and plans, the only way back is to get wickets otherwise it will drift away. We saw it drifting away in the 2nd session where they were defensive, they started it with a part-time bowler when it was their best opportunity to take wickets"

This is basically saying "new coach has no tactics, plans please recall me"
 
When pro-Misbah opinions are less about cricket or Pakistan team performance and going personal against Arthur and Sarfaraz, shows they don't care about Pakistan team or cricket.

One has enough ammo to rebut their nefarious defenses by bringing in Misbah the greats record in odi, t20 and test format. How we became 9th ranked team in odi by 2015. And how captain misbah/Waqar did against top 5 ranked team. But we are more concerned about the Pakistan team unlike them

One does'nt need expert opinion about today's ghastly performance by Misbah's XI. They were on the defensive after initial overs. Terrible sight to watch. Extremely worried about the state of Pakistan cricket.
 
But the so called "Messenger" has an agenda if you read between the lines lol

"Pakistan are going to have a serious discussion about their tactics and plans, the only way back is to get wickets otherwise it will drift away. We saw it drifting away in the 2nd session where they were defensive, they started it with a part-time bowler when it was their best opportunity to take wickets"

This is basically saying "new coach has no tactics, plans please recall me"

Where’s the lie, though?
 
But the so called "Messenger" has an agenda if you read between the lines lol

"Pakistan are going to have a serious discussion about their tactics and plans, the only way back is to get wickets otherwise it will drift away. We saw it drifting away in the 2nd session where they were defensive, they started it with a part-time bowler when it was their best opportunity to take wickets"

This is basically saying "new coach has no tactics, plans please recall me"
He didn't say that at all, stop adding needless masala.

Mickey has been paid by the television channel to give his analysis. I'm not sure what people want him to do, sit there and praise the team management for one boneheaded decision after another ?
 
He didn't say that at all, stop adding needless masala.

Mickey has been paid by the television channel to give his analysis. I'm not sure what people want him to do, sit there and praise the team management for one boneheaded decision after another ?

He was taking similar boneheaded decisions
 
When the Aussies were 70 odd for one yesterday I said a 300 partnership is due. Totally agree we seem incapable of taking wickets in a cluster. Every Aussie partnership seems as if they are gonna put on 100's! We have no chance of winning this Test either. Our bowling and batting are both terrible.
 
This is possibly the worst Pakistani bowling attack I have seen in my lifetime. Absolutely no venom.

I always expect Pakistani batting to struggle in Australia but their bowlers tend to do well in Australia.

Really confusing bowling performance from team Pakistan.
 
What I dont get though is, if he can analyze this well, why were we losing even home tests under him?

This guy is so shameless lol.

Like one should have some modicum of respect for himself and ones own reputation.

And has the audacity to lead the calls for bringing back Malik, Sarfraz.

Truly disgraceful comments.

Mickey had two problems: in Asia he picked too few spinners and outside Asia he was let down by the veterans Azhar, Shafiq, Sarfraz and Yasir. I am no Mickey fan.

But by the time he left, he had fixed the bowling outside Asia by dumping Yasir and adopting a five man attack.

Mickey’s Final Series in South Africa: Opposition Scores

223 and 151-4
431 and 43-1
262 and 303

They took 45 wickets for 1413 runs, at an average of 31.4 runs per wicket.

All that was needed was to drop Azhar and Sarfraz forever and to stop selecting Yasir outside Asia.

Instead Misbah dumped all five bowlers (all in their twenties) who dismissed SA for 262 and 303 in the previous Test.

And consequently Australia closed Day 1 in each Test at:

312-1
302-1

The people whose replies I listed above owe Mickey Arthur a grovelling apology. The facts are the facts.
 
Truly disgraceful comments.

Mickey had two problems: in Asia he picked too few spinners and outside Asia he was let down by the veterans Azhar, Shafiq, Sarfraz and Yasir. I am no Mickey fan.

But by the time he left, he had fixed the bowling outside Asia by dumping Yasir and adopting a five man attack.

Mickey’s Final Series in South Africa: Opposition Scores

223 and 151-4
431 and 43-1
262 and 303

They took 45 wickets for 1413 runs, at an average of 31.4 runs per wicket.

All that was needed was to drop Azhar and Sarfraz forever and to stop selecting Yasir outside Asia.

Instead Misbah dumped all five bowlers (all in their twenties) who dismissed SA for 262 and 303 in the previous Test.

And consequently Australia closed Day 1 in each Test at:

312-1
302-1

The people whose replies I listed above owe Mickey Arthur a grovelling apology. The facts are the facts.

Neither could we under your brainless Test coaching.
I think the actual facts in my reply pretty much demolish you far fetched claims.
 
Truly disgraceful comments.

Mickey had two problems: in Asia he picked too few spinners and outside Asia he was let down by the veterans Azhar, Shafiq, Sarfraz and Yasir. I am no Mickey fan.

But by the time he left, he had fixed the bowling outside Asia by dumping Yasir and adopting a five man attack.

Mickey’s Final Series in South Africa: Opposition Scores

223 and 151-4
431 and 43-1
262 and 303

They took 45 wickets for 1413 runs, at an average of 31.4 runs per wicket.

All that was needed was to drop Azhar and Sarfraz forever and to stop selecting Yasir outside Asia.

Instead Misbah dumped all five bowlers (all in their twenties) who dismissed SA for 262 and 303 in the previous Test.

And consequently Australia closed Day 1 in each Test at:

312-1
302-1

The people whose replies I listed above owe Mickey Arthur a grovelling apology. The facts are the facts.

Nice try!
We got hammered 3 - 0 in SA under mickey.
In england we usually play well, mickeys first series draw in england (2 -2) was really waqar's team.
The second shorter tour were we drew 1 -1, we battered england in the first test(absolutely an amazing performance) then got battered in the second test, a virtual inversion of the first test.

But lets get to the point, lets compare apples to apples . Can you compare mickeys disastrous aussie tour with this one? Please compare results, thanks!

Also, mickey did not have a clue about how to win in asia, playing only one spinner was beyond incompetent!
 
I can't believe how worse Pakistan bowling has become. But I still believe if we had picked rahat sameen and ehsan adil for this tour we still could have been better.
 
What I dont get though is, if he can analyze this well, why were we losing even home tests under him?

Not in way we are now. Wining and losing are part of game and with him as coach, we had very close game with new team but this new team is beyond repair and outright embarrassment.

Ironically Misbah supporters were taunting him left and right. And now - nowhere to be found. :facepalm:
 
It depends if he meant 20 wickets with the ball or bat? As batting wise I’m sure these boys are more than capable of getting all out twice even in these conditions.
 
Doubt they can even take 10 wickets let alone 20. The bowling attack in this test has to be the worst attack Pakistan has ever fielded.
 
Mickey had us on the right track for overseas test cricket. I keep saying it and people don't like it. Well those same people that don't like it, I hope they enjoyed the last 4 days that we bowled
 
Well people can easily see what Mickey was doing and why so many were unhappy with him. He was a hard task master. Steve Rixon after leaving the job said the same thing so many players are lethargic and we do not have this culture of putting so much effort in fielding or fitness etc and that's definitely due to bad habits coming from such a junior level and domestic level.

I hope if Misbah has any shame he should resign and try to take Mickey on board again or anyone else someone like Dean Jones. Waqar can stay he possibly can be a good coach under someone like Mickey or Deano.

The only thing bad thing about Mickey was he never gave ratings to any spinner and that's why test team suffered a lot.
 
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Mickey Arthur was a sincere personality, if he had been given a seat in selection committee, there would be 2 players ready for every position in the team. Sarfaraz also was a great captain, we've seen hs uneasy relationship with Hasan Ali, but both still used to fight hard for Pakistan team win. Least youngsters respected his decision making and fought for him. Azhar Ali is not even respected by the new players, a complete panicking stooge of Misbah.

Its absolute shame to watch this Misbah XI where every guy is playing for himself.

Heads need to roll, Senate Committee needs to bring Ehsan Mani and Wasim Khan to Parliamentary committee and ask them what they are doing to the national side.
 
Mickey is spot on. Picking a pace attack with combined test experience of 18 matches in AUS is a recipe for disaster. Yasir Shah, who is the smiling self-assassin, is no better.
 
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