"I can't understand these American terms, like depression": Kapil Dev's statements cause a storm

[MenInG]

"I can't understand these American terms, like depression": Kapil Dev's statements cause a storm

Speaking at the ‘Chat with Champions’ event, Kapil Dev admitted that he never understood words like "pressure" and "depression", mocking them as "American words" and opined that if players feel there is a pressure in playing IPL, then they should rather opt out. He then added that even students of class 10 and 12 now-a-days feel the "pressure", which again, he admitted that he never found logic in it.

"I hear a lot of times on TV that there's a lot of pressure on players to play in the IPL. Then I only say one thing, don't play. If a player has passion, there will be no pressure. I can't understand these American terms, like depression. I'm a farmer and we play because we enjoy the game, and there can't be any pressure while enjoying the game," Kapil said.

“I remember going to a school where students of class 10 and 12 told him they face lot of pressure. I said, 'So also face pressure!'. You people sit in air-conditioned rooms with fees paid by your parents, teachers cannot beat you up, then were is this pressure coming from? Ask me what pressure is all about. Teachers used to beat us up and then would ask where we had gone. Students need to convert this into pleasure and fun, pressure is a very wrong word.” he added.

 

[Energy]

That's a strong view point from Kapil. But he's got to understand we're living in a land of softies now, all over the world. It's not 60s and 70s and 80s when men were tougher.

Too many instances depression and pressure and anxieties evolving around player armchairs today.

Another 2-3 decades from now and there will be men, women and a non binary category in the ICC events. And depression will increase as to which category to play for.

 

[Mamoon]

I kind of see where he is coming from. On a similar note, mental health has become a fashion these days. It is largely an attention-seeking move.

This behavior is facilitated and encouraged in the sporting world even though these athletes live the most privileged life.

What Ben Stokes did last year, i.e. miss the all important home series against India and the WT20 because his head was not in the right place was unforgivable. It was pure selfishness , and ECB pampered him and rewarded him with captaincy.

These entitled athletes are out of touch with reality and the only way you can make them get in touch with reality is to not pamper them.

In the real world, if you go to your boss or employer and ask for time off because of “mental health”, you are more likely to get fired than have your mental health catered to.

The more this behavior is facilitated the more soft these players are going to get. During the pandemic days, these players would start crying after being confined in a 5-star hotel for a couple of weeks.

In the real world, people suffered a lot more and lost their jobs, couldn’t put food on the table.

The big factor is obviously the amount of money they earn. It forces them into a bubble of their own. I remember Tom Banton passing the opportunity to play in a BBL tournament because he didn’t want two spend two weeks in a 5-star hotel.

He could afford to do this because he already had way more more at the age of 19 than he should have.

He lost respect for the game and for money.

 

[IAJ]

I kind of see where he is coming from. On a similar note, mental health has become a fashion these days. It is largely an attention-seeking move.

This behavior is facilitated and encouraged in the sporting world even though these athletes live the most privileged life.

What Ben Stokes did last year, i.e. miss the all important home series against India and the WT20 because his head was not in the right place was unforgivable. It was pure selfishness , and ECB pampered him and rewarded him with captaincy.

These entitled athletes are out of touch with reality and the only way you can make them get in touch with reality is to not pamper them.

In the real world, if you go to your boss or employer and ask for time off because of “mental health”, you are more likely to get fired than have your mental health catered to.

The more this behavior is facilitated the more soft these players are going to get. During the pandemic days, these players would start crying after being confined in a 5-star hotel for a couple of weeks.

In the real world, people suffered a lot more and lost their jobs, couldn’t put food on the table.

The big factor is obviously the amount of money they earn. It forces them into a bubble of their own. I remember Tom Banton passing the opportunity to play in a BBL tournament because he didn’t want two spend two weeks in a 5-star hotel.

He could afford to do this because he already had way more more at the age of 19 than he should have.

He lost respect for the game and for money.

This is shocking coming from a 'doctor'. I'm starting doubting if you really are a doctor or not.

There will always be people who will fake things, in every profession or what state you are healthwise. But to just brush it under the carpet and calling it 'fashion', 'attention-seeking' move, is just pure ignorance.

Ask the people who really are struggling mentally. I just don't know where to start looking at your post and it was very disappointing.

In the real world good employers will take this seriously and they do it at least where I live.

And you can't compare two issues like 'having mental problems' and 'not be able to put food on the table'. Both are serious issues, at their own respective places.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Another know it all boomer.

 

[SamNJ]

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Entertaining press conf from legend Kapil

 

[TheSultan]

It's a fair point by Kapil. Kids need to start learning to deal with adversity and players too.

Before some start having a go, yes Mental Health, Depression etc is a thing, but it is becoming a bit too prevalent. There is a risk that it is easy to blame that than face some real tests.

 

[MenInG]

He is right - it maybe an "American" thing because in the West, people do care about each other in that way. In Pakistan/India, mental issues are considered a sign of weakness and those with such issues suffer in silence forever.

 

[Savak]

Kapil is talking nonsense.

Not everyone has to understand depression, but it is a reality and the most and least civil thing you can do if you can't understand it is to atleast respect it.

Depression can even be genetic and passed on from family members.

Even the most so called Alpha male cricketer of this generation ie Virat Kohli with no shortage of fame, adulation, wealth has admitted to periods of depression in his career and the stigma attached to admitting it in the subcontinent.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

People from a poor and under privileged background like Kapil don't have the time to feel depression.

 

[Bilal7]

I agree with him although there are exceptions.

It's also interesting to note the apparent correlation between irreligiousness and atheism and depression, mental health issues and suicide.

 

[Bilal7]

Kapil is talking nonsense.

Not everyone has to understand depression but it is a reality and the most and least civil thing you can do if you can't understand it is to atleast respect it.

Depression can even be genetic and passed on from family members.

Even the most so called Alpha male cricketer of this generation ie Virat Kohli with no shortage of fame, adulation, wealth has admitted to periods of depression in his career and the stigma attached to admitting it in the subcontinent.

Depression and simply being tired and needing a break are completely different things.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Tom cruise stirred a pot and entered into a feud with Brooke shields on this when he talked about pills being used for curing depression. He suggested doing exercise is enough to cure depression. He was talking about certified depression like postpartum depression. Until I saw first hand I was like Kapil dev. Depression due to debt, jobless situation, and bad health conditions are different from hormonal depression.

But what Kapil dev talking about is not that kind of depression. He doesn't exactly have the greatest command over English. He combined the words "pressure" and "depression". Both are completely different. His point about "pressure" is different. IIT such a prestigious institute in India has many suicide cases. Also coaching center-related suicides. If you get a chance watch the Amazon prime web series "Crash Course" which illustrates how students are pressurized to ace the entrance exams. Then pressure in finding a job. pressure in keeping your job. But this is the case for people around the world. In a capitalist country like the US, it is even worse.

But in cricket i say pressure is different for different players. Apart from a few exceptions like Afridi, Sehwag most players feel the pressure. Pressure goes high when the expectation goes high. Just look at Shadab's tweet on "middle order". Clearly they feel the pinch.

 

[Markhor]

I kind of see where he is coming from. On a similar note, mental health has become a fashion these days. It is largely an attention-seeking move.

This behavior is facilitated and encouraged in the sporting world even though these athletes live the most privileged life.

What Ben Stokes did last year, i.e. miss the all important home series against India and the WT20 because his head was not in the right place was unforgivable. It was pure selfishness , and ECB pampered him and rewarded him with captaincy.

These entitled athletes are out of touch with reality and the only way you can make them get in touch with reality is to not pamper them.

In the real world, if you go to your boss or employer and ask for time off because of “mental health”, you are more likely to get fired than have your mental health catered to.

The more this behavior is facilitated the more soft these players are going to get. During the pandemic days, these players would start crying after being confined in a 5-star hotel for a couple of weeks.

In the real world, people suffered a lot more and lost their jobs, couldn’t put food on the table.

The big factor is obviously the amount of money they earn. It forces them into a bubble of their own. I remember Tom Banton passing the opportunity to play in a BBL tournament because he didn’t want two spend two weeks in a 5-star hotel.

He could afford to do this because he already had way more more at the age of 19 than he should have.

He lost respect for the game and for money.

While I agree some of the moaning about biobubbles reeked of overprivileged players - Ben Stokes had a valid reason as his dad died of brain cancer in 2020.

He said in the documentary he felt aggrieved he couldn't see him more often because of the schedule.

 

[The_KING]

While I don’t agree with Kapik Dev entirely, I do believe that a lot of people play the mental health card nowadays. They can’t handle a bit of pressure. Play the mental health card. They do something horrible. Play the mental health card.

Mental health has become an easy excuse for many people and I think it does a disservice to people who actually have mental health issues.

 

[sam_ahm]

Anyone who thinks mental health is a non issue needs to go through it to understand. Can't say anything more.

 

[Cosmic]

that's the reason Kapil Dev have No position in BCCI.

Depression is a big issue..

Family issues, Financial issues, Celebrity issue..

People who went through will know it.. from president to the shop keeper. It's just about maintaining it and properly executing the task you are responsible..sometime you fail sometime you pass. there is no one excellent in the whole world...its Just Par.

 

[Cosmic]

this absolutely truth..sometime people who come from village thinks they are more strong mentally..its just an myth.

 

[sweep_shot]

That's a strong view point from Kapil. But he's got to understand we're living in a land of softies now, all over the world. It's not 60s and 70s and 80s when men were tougher.

Too many instances depression and pressure and anxieties evolving around player armchairs today.

Another 2-3 decades from now and there will be men, women and a non binary category in the ICC events. And depression will increase as to which category to play for.

Great post.

Men have become softer over the years thanks to leftist narratives.

Also, cricket has become way too robotic. There are too many games. I can see why players no longer feel as passionate as before.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Mental health is a real issue and needs to be taken care of. However, it should not be an excuse of continuous failure to stand up.

Ben Stokes, I believe does have an element of being a privileged snob(he wanted to quit cricket because of scar tissue in his fingers after a surgery), but he may well have real mental health problems as well. The guy who didn't buckle down after getting thrashed for 4 sixes in the wt20 final is a fairly strong minded guy. It's only been one year or so that he has started to show signs of getting pushed under otherwise Stokes wouldn't budge at anything.

There should be more awareness that is the only way forward.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Kapil used the word "pressure" 10 times. "depression" 2 times lol Obviously he was not talking about clinical depression which I am sure he has no clue about.

 

[Suleiman]

Your brain is an organ like any other part of your body, why would its health and function not be important? If you have a broken bone- you get it checked, you go through physical rehab etc etc and have it looked after. Gotta look after your mind too if it seems off for a prolonged period of time and its condition worsens.

Yes it can be used as a cop out or excuse since unlike a broken bone, depression, anxiety etc don’t really have physical symptoms save for extreme cases. But it doesn’t invalidate the people who genuinely suffer from them.

But this mentality Kapil is exhibiting is far too common in our Subcontinental culture. I’d say possibly Asia as a whole.

 

[HitWicket]

Ben Stokes, I believe does have an element of being a privileged snob(he wanted to quit cricket because of scar tissue in his fingers after a surgery)

Source?

 

[cerebralrattlesnake]

the entire field of clinical psychology vs an idiot farmer who hit a ball with a stick real good


hmmm this is a tough one fellas

 

[Stewie]

I think you guys are missing the point that back when Kapil played, it was mostly for the privilege, respect and honor for representing your country because players made not a whole lot of money as they do now. So he is coming from a different place where there was different sort of pressure on players. Most of them had other jobs and professions as well and cricket was played seasonally with not too many games schedule each calendar year.

Now, if you are a professional cricketer, you have to do a lot of things that were not expected of you back then.
There is a lot more structure that you have to follow because its your fulltime job, the competition is a lot more cut throat and the calendar is so busy that these guys spend very little time at home with their families so it all takes a toll on your mental health. These are not things Kapil and his contemporaries dealt with mostly. Besides, Kapil does seem like a very tough guy, just look at his longevity. Just because of that, he cannot relate to the people who have such challenges.

 

[Savak]

I remember how well Kapil reacted when he was accused of match fixing by prahbakar in 2000. Would loved to have asked him back then if depression is a real thing.

 

[NishanKonar]

People from a poor and under privileged background like Kapil don't have the time to feel depression.

Lol. Kapil Dev came from a very affluent background. His father was wealthy businessman

 

[NishanKonar]

I think you guys are missing the point that back when Kapil played, it was mostly for the privilege, respect and honor for representing your country because players made not a whole lot of money as they do now. So he is coming from a different place where there was different sort of pressure on players. Most of them had other jobs and professions as well and cricket was played seasonally with not too many games schedule each calendar year.

Now, if you are a professional cricketer, you have to do a lot of things that were not expected of you back then.
There is a lot more structure that you have to follow because its your fulltime job, the competition is a lot more cut throat and the calendar is so busy that these guys spend very little time at home with their families so it all takes a toll on your mental health. These are not things Kapil and his contemporaries dealt with mostly. Besides, Kapil does seem like a very tough guy, just look at his longevity. Just because of that, he cannot relate to the people who have such challenges.

This is actually true. During Kapil's time there was no so mch pressure and scrutiny from fans on a daily basis. Nobody really cared that much for sports

But nowadays every time you lose a match - the fans , media , social media are all out to get you. The player - fanbase dynamics have totally changed. And put unnecessary pressure on the players

 

[MenInG]

The irony of this all when we see Kapil made these remarks

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Nonsense.

Everyone is under pressure in life.

The pressure to obtain food, to marry children, to win games or to simply attain heaven.

Some people ride it like crest of a wave.

Other people struggle to cope with the waves.

Kapil forgot when he was accsued of match fixing he was under so much pressure he cried.

This "no pressure" or "softie" term is coined by people who believe their mental strength should be the benchmark of everyone.

They forget everyone has a different "breaking point".

 

[MenInG]

Nonsense.

Everyone is under pressure in life.

The pressure to obtain food, to marry children, to win games or to simply attain heaven.

Some people ride it like crest of a wave.

Other people struggle to cope with the waves.

Kapil forgot when he was accsued of match fixing he was under so much pressure he cried.

This "no pressure" or "softie" term is coined by people who believe their mental strength should be the benchmark of everyone.

They forget everyone has a different "breaking point".

Here is our own Abdul Razzaq when asked about Mental Health...listen to this answer and tell me if he actually understood the issue!?

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[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Here is our own Abdul Razzaq when asked about Mental Health...listen to this answer and tell me if he actually understood the issue!?

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Yep, so he basically talked about the importance of mental strength, rather than addressing how to deal with mental health issues. At the end of the video he does somewhat address about not doubting yourself (which can lead to mental health issues), but I agree that the main point was missed.

Perhaps the content producer didn’t explain the question to him in greater detail. Mental health is ofcourse relevant and important, however the term ‘Mental Health’ is modern jargon in describing health issues that have existed forever. Thus I think Razzaq misunderstood the topic. No biggie.

 

[bujhee kom]

I kind of see where he is coming from. On a similar note, mental health has become a fashion these days. It is largely an attention-seeking move.

This behavior is facilitated and encouraged in the sporting world even though these athletes live the most privileged life.

What Ben Stokes did last year, i.e. miss the all important home series against India and the WT20 because his head was not in the right place was unforgivable. It was pure selfishness , and ECB pampered him and rewarded him with captaincy.

These entitled athletes are out of touch with reality and the only way you can make them get in touch with reality is to not pamper them.

In the real world, if you go to your boss or employer and ask for time off because of “mental health”, you are more likely to get fired than have your mental health catered to.

The more this behavior is facilitated the more soft these players are going to get. During the pandemic days, these players would start crying after being confined in a 5-star hotel for a couple of weeks.

In the real world, people suffered a lot more and lost their jobs, couldn’t put food on the table.

The big factor is obviously the amount of money they earn. It forces them into a bubble of their own. I remember Tom Banton passing the opportunity to play in a BBL tournament because he didn’t want two spend two weeks in a 5-star hotel.

He could afford to do this because he already had way more more at the age of 19 than he should have.

He lost respect for the game and for money.

I am a HS English teacher. I have seen first hand the damage depression has wrought on countless lives. As a Dr, you should be ashamed.

 

[Hitman]

I can only laugh at Kapil's comments. I'm 36 years old, and I was diagnosed with clinical depression and schizophrenia at the age of 16. I have been under medications ever since. And the those medicines are the reason I'm still alive. 2 of my cousins who suffered from mental health issues have committed suicide.

 

[shaz619]

I can only laugh at Kapil's comments. I'm 36 years old, and I was diagnosed with clinical depression and schizophrenia at the age of 16. I have been under medications ever since. And the those medicines are the reason I'm still alive. 2 of my cousins who suffered from mental health issues have committed suicide.

South Asians in general are ignorant on this subject, it’s in the DNA and will take generations before there is more understanding.

It is surprising on Kapil’s part though because he must be an educated guy and if not that he has travelled the world…

 

[Suleiman]

Nonsense.

Everyone is under pressure in life.

The pressure to obtain food, to marry children, to win games or to simply attain heaven.

Some people ride it like crest of a wave.

Other people struggle to cope with the waves.

Kapil forgot when he was accsued of match fixing he was under so much pressure he cried.

This "no pressure" or "softie" term is coined by people who believe their mental strength should be the benchmark of everyone.

They forget everyone has a different "breaking point".

Yep. Most of the people who throw out the word softies have their own deeply rooted insecurities about not being tough enough, they’re simply projecting.

This is not an opinion or hot take, this is backed by Jungian and other schools of psychology. What you lack is what you’re going to be calling out in other people, but you won’t realize it because it’s at the subconscious level.

 

[MenInG]

Yep, so he basically talked about the importance of mental strength, rather than addressing how to deal with mental health issues. At the end of the video he does somewhat address about not doubting yourself (which can lead to mental health issues), but I agree that the main point was missed.

Perhaps the content producer didn’t explain the question to him in greater detail. Mental health is ofcourse relevant and important, however the term ‘Mental Health’ is modern jargon in describing health issues that have existed forever. Thus I think Razzaq misunderstood the topic. No biggie.

In contrast listen to this.

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[Rana]

Here is our own Abdul Razzaq when asked about Mental Health...listen to this answer and tell me if he actually understood the issue!?

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He thinks mental health means being mentally strong enough to play professional cricket

For that you need to be physically fit.

That’s his point.

I admire this guy. Cold, ruthless, brute

 

[SalimBhai]

Mental health issues are real. Yes some people might fake them. But that's a minority. Kapil should shut up and comment on cricket. Leave clinical depression issues to yes Doctors.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Yep. Most of the people who throw out the word softies have their own deeply rooted insecurities about not being tough enough, they’re simply projecting.

This is not an opinion or hot take, this is backed by Jungian and other schools of psychology. What you lack is what you’re going to be calling out in other people, but you won’t realize it because it’s at the subconscious level.

I think there’s two ways of looking at it.

On the one hand, mental health is incredibly important, so I never want to discount that.

I also do believe that mental health issues are also a symptom of the society we live in today, where everything is instant gratification. Life nowadays is a collection of moments rather than a deeper through line, and when people get distracted enough from the cycle of instant gratification and experience some form of intense difficulty it doubtlessly has an impact on their mental health.

In the context of Kapils statement, his generation never had this type of lifestyle. You could actually shut off from life, be with family, etc. This is why there’s a disconnect from his side. Just my two cents.

 

[MenInG]

He thinks mental health means being mentally strong enough to play professional cricket

For that you need to be physically fit.

That’s his point.

I admire this guy. Cold, ruthless, brute

So if a player under him is looking jaded, he will tell him to run round the stadium a few times.

 

[Sarwar89]

I think social media also plays a role in modern player’s attitude ( either softness, toughnut or somewhere in between)

2 examples i want to cite.

1) when miandad hit chetan sharma last ball six, it caused major up roar & media attention across the ( cricketing world). But it was confined to newspapers, radio & tv. There was no social media. Imagine if there was social media, how it would have impacted him mentally ?

2) when remember the name guy braithwaite hit stokes 4 ball 4 sixes in final, social media was at peak, it impacted stokes big time, but British press, public & team supported him.
Imagine if chetan sharma would have been supported that way in sub continent ? It would have never happened.

Western societies particularly UK & EU are more tolerant towards mental state of mind a lot more.

I remember graham thorpe took a year off he was supported on his return

Stokes was supported 2/3 times
Trott was supported in 13 Ashes ( later he afmitted he faked it)

 

[Mainul]

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Entertaining press conf from legend Kapil

I really enjoyed Sir Kapil's interview. Excellent. I agreed to each of these words

 

[ElRaja]

clinical depression is a real issue, and externalities such as exposure to social media prior to maturing mentally is exacerbating it.

that being said i can see where kapil is coming from, to me he is trying to communicate that playing cricket for him was such a privilege, compared to his ancestors or peers professions, that he could not see how it could possibly have a negative mental effect on a person.

if i you are truly grateful and understand what a privilege it is to play a sport for a living it cannot lead to depression, in the vast majority of cases where sports people are depressed, it is usually related to having to give up the sport and comradery of being in a team, or in other instances something unrelated to sport.

this is a nuanced subject, and quite unsurprisingly people are jumping on shallow literal interpretations of what he said. english isnt his first language.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

"I can't understand these American terms, like depression": Kapil Dev

May be this statement in itself is a sign of depression, and he needs to see a good psychiatrist?

 

[PakLFC]

There is the pressure to win whenever representing your country at any Sport. There is also the pressure of keeping your place in the side as well and living up to fan's expectations. Even the richest and wealthiest people in the world suffer from depression as well. Mental health is a major issue nowadays Kaps so please do some research on it. In many countries like Pakistan there is no point talking about your mental health issues unless you want to be mocked and called "pagal".

 

[jnaveen1980]

clinical depression is a real issue, and externalities such as exposure to social media prior to maturing mentally is exacerbating it.

that being said i can see where kapil is coming from, to me he is trying to communicate that playing cricket for him was such a privilege, compared to his ancestors or peers professions, that he could not see how it could possibly have a negative mental effect on a person.

if i you are truly grateful and understand what a privilege it is to play a sport for a living it cannot lead to depression, in the vast majority of cases where sports people are depressed, it is usually related to having to give up the sport and comradery of being in a team, or in other instances something unrelated to sport.

this is a nuanced subject, and quite unsurprisingly people are jumping on shallow literal interpretations of what he said. english isnt his first language.

+1 Which is what I also said. He just used the word "depression". He didn't say anything about clinical depression. He talks about people feeling pressure playing the IPL which is not even remotely related to clinical depression. He mainly talks about mental strength in cricket. In his view pride of playing the country should give you enough motivation to overcome anything.

 

[Champ_Pal]

People from a poor and under privileged background like Kapil don't have the time to feel depression.

I have to agree with this. When people have no time to feel depressed by pondering over bad incidents, they will not feel as depressed as a rich fellow who has tons of time to overthink and overanalyze everything in life. Poor do not have time for that. Their stomach will not let them think anything other than hunger.

 

[Local.Dada]

Nonsense.

Kapil forgot when he was accsued of match fixing he was under so much pressure he cried.

".

That’s a false analogy. If Kapil went into depression or hiding after the accusation you might have had a point.

Also I would assume an accusation like selling your country/ fixing will have only one reaction regardless of it’s crocodile tears or real. It’s not the same as handling pressures in your profession.

 

[rhony]

Ignorant comments from Kapil but one shouldn't be asking these questions to him. Sachin once said in an interview that all Kapil did was ask the players to do some drills and bat and bowl in the nets. When Sachin wanted strategy discussions, Kapil laughed it off. This was when Kapil was the head coach and Sachin was the captain. Kapil has a very rudimentary understanding of these things

 

[Champ_Pal]

Ignorant comments from Kapil but one shouldn't be asking these questions to him. Sachin once said in an interview that all Kapil did was ask the players to do some drills and bat and bowl in the nets. When Sachin wanted strategy discussions, Kapil laughed it off. This was when Kapil was the head coach and Sachin was the captain. Kapil has a very rudimentary understanding of these things

Kapil is a proper village Jatt.

 

[Anis Shivani]

Didn't listen to the video but in his awkward way he's making a good point.
Naomi Osaka took it to another level, this wokeness in professional sports, where they are not even aware of their privelege, and make out that they are some kind of victim. Poor me, I have to put up with the media! Spare me the tears.

 

[Robert]

In a way I agree, remembering what Keith Miller said about pressure being a Messerschmitt on your six.

But depression is real too. Lots of England players have succumbed to it.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Didn't listen to the video but in his awkward way he's making a good point.
Naomi Osaka took it to another level, this wokeness in professional sports, where they are not even aware of their privelege, and make out that they are some kind of victim. Poor me, I have to put up with the media! Spare me the tears.

Now that was a ridiculous comment.

Unless, you are living the life of Naomi Osaka you have no idea what the US open winner went through.

Sort of like saying if you win, you shouldnt have the right to be depressed.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

clinical depression is a real issue, and externalities such as exposure to social media prior to maturing mentally is exacerbating it.

that being said i can see where kapil is coming from, to me he is trying to communicate that playing cricket for him was such a privilege, compared to his ancestors or peers professions, that he could not see how it could possibly have a negative mental effect on a person.

if i you are truly grateful and understand what a privilege it is to play a sport for a living it cannot lead to depression, in the vast majority of cases where sports people are depressed, it is usually related to having to give up the sport and comradery of being in a team, or in other instances something unrelated to sport.

this is a nuanced subject, and quite unsurprisingly people are jumping on shallow literal interpretations of what he said. english isnt his first language.

Forget the cricket part, read the last paragraph. That's a constant refrain young school or college going kids hear in India from older adults.

That should tell you enough about it. I read somewhere just today that something like 200 million in India may have mental health issues.

Having been through the education system here, I can guarantee that a huge chunk of that would be school going kids or college students.

Also, he seems to be suggesting that many of these issues are self created, lol.

When someone has little knowledge or has very little knowledge of things like depression , they shouldn't be running their mouths off - whether it is in English or Punjabi.

 

[Messiah]

Clueless boomer. Yeah let's criticize teenagers and kids for feeling the pressure of a competitive and ruthless school system we have in the world today.

Also cricket was much less watched and there was less competition for a spot in the team back in his day.

 

[sabre1486]

I kind of see where he is coming from. On a similar note, mental health has become a fashion these days. It is largely an attention-seeking move.

This behavior is facilitated and encouraged in the sporting world even though these athletes live the most privileged life.

What Ben Stokes did last year, i.e. miss the all important home series against India and the WT20 because his head was not in the right place was unforgivable. It was pure selfishness , and ECB pampered him and rewarded him with captaincy.

These entitled athletes are out of touch with reality and the only way you can make them get in touch with reality is to not pamper them.

In the real world, if you go to your boss or employer and ask for time off because of “mental health”, you are more likely to get fired than have your mental health catered to.

The more this behavior is facilitated the more soft these players are going to get. During the pandemic days, these players would start crying after being confined in a 5-star hotel for a couple of weeks.

In the real world, people suffered a lot more and lost their jobs, couldn’t put food on the table.

The big factor is obviously the amount of money they earn. It forces them into a bubble of their own. I remember Tom Banton passing the opportunity to play in a BBL tournament because he didn’t want two spend two weeks in a 5-star hotel.

He could afford to do this because he already had way more more at the age of 19 than he should have.

He lost respect for the game and for money.

absolutely horrible take. I would even venture this post is attention seeking. I do not know where you are based but at least in north america and in the wider western world there is some acknowledgment of mental health and various large corporate environments now cater to taking mental health days off.

With respect to Ben Stokes you really should watch his Amazon prime documentary to understand where his mental state was at the time.

Suffering is not a competitive sport. If a sportsperson broke their hand and couldnt play you would probably tell him to 'walk it off' would you?

Kapil Dev like typical desi uncles is out of touch with the world at large. There was no 24/7 media and social media and unstoppable vitriol or this much cricket at this intensity when he was playing.

Out of all of your horrible opinions i have seen over the years, honestly this one might be the absolute bottom of the barrel. Almost seems like trolling

 

[sabre1486]

I can only laugh at Kapil's comments. I'm 36 years old, and I was diagnosed with clinical depression and schizophrenia at the age of 16. I have been under medications ever since. And the those medicines are the reason I'm still alive. 2 of my cousins who suffered from mental health issues have committed suicide.

Hope you are doing better brother. I went through mental hell on my own away from home when i went to college. was diagnosed with clinical depression at 18 (i am 36 now too) and had to be on medicines for a while. the toughest part was the stigma that comes with this type of diagnosis and before i went through it i had the same opinion that 'depression kuch nai hota'....took self harm and eating disorders along with depression to actually get help. Some of the opinions on here are ridiculously uninformed.

 

[sabre1486]

This is shocking coming from a 'doctor'. I'm starting doubting if you really are a doctor or not.

There will always be people who will fake things, in every profession or what state you are healthwise. But to just brush it under the carpet and calling it 'fashion', 'attention-seeking' move, is just pure ignorance.

Ask the people who really are struggling mentally. I just don't know where to start looking at your post and it was very disappointing.

In the real world good employers will take this seriously and they do it at least where I live.

And you can't compare two issues like 'having mental problems' and 'not be able to put food on the table'. Both are serious issues, at their own respective places.

harold shipman was also a doctor. Being a doctor doesnt mean you have empathy.

 

[gazza619]

I guess Kapil wasn’t stressed / depressed at all in the video and these were his tears of joy.


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[Grunge101]

I'm a shrink by profession so I guess I should know atleast something about all this.

1) As to what Kapil is saying, there is obviously no argument that can justify his claimed beliefs. What he needs to understand is that whilst in terms of basic needs the world is a much better place now than what he grew up in, as in most people in the developed food have enough food, safety and a roof over their heads, it is also a place where family systems have disintegrated greatly, beliefs and value systems uprooted. The world is a far more chaotic and confusing place than it used to be.

2) There is an argument to be had for the opposite as well in some ways. We sometimes come across cases where a young person seeks salvage from trepidation in the form of using a label of mental illness. Some times, people don't want to get better because it's harder. That however is not a usual event at all and does not apply to the vast majority of the population. Nearly all people seeking help for mental issues are actually ill.

*As to the argument of Stokes not getting such facilitation if he wasn't a big name cricketer, that's actually not quite true now in the developed world. People employed at mainstream institutions of any profession can seek help if they are not well and mostly get paid compensation as well. I actually know a number of colleagues who were granted paid time off extending to a year even in some cases.

*For the mental health denial squad, karma is usually a witch. I've met Old school medicine and surgery consultants who would openly state in clinical meetings about their lack of belief in psychiatric illnesses and treatment.
Far too frequently though, you would see them at your door a few years later because they need to get a loved one checked.

 

[adzzy786]

This is shocking coming from a 'doctor'. I'm starting doubting if you really are a doctor or not.

There will always be people who will fake things, in every profession or what state you are healthwise. But to just brush it under the carpet and calling it 'fashion', 'attention-seeking' move, is just pure ignorance.

Ask the people who really are struggling mentally. I just don't know where to start looking at your post and it was very disappointing.

In the real world good employers will take this seriously and they do it at least where I live.

And you can't compare two issues like 'having mental problems' and 'not be able to put food on the table'. Both are serious issues, at their own respective places.

In the real world, if you go to your boss or employer and ask for time off because of “mental health”, you are more likely to get fired than have your mental health catered to. << first of all this largely depends where you are from and the job you are doing, secondly for arguments sake if this is the case then surely it is an issue that needs to be tackled.

One of my parents suffered from mental health issues their whole life and I know how much that affected them. They couldn’t live day to day, and believe me this wasn’t for fashion, they didn’t have contact with anyone. They suffered in their own depression.

Also I have to ask you, if he is a doctor would a doctor say that? He’s not even Pakistani. He’s a Indian 17 year old boy.

 

[topspin]

I'm no doctor but what I do know is in the UK, 40% of all GP appointments involve mental health which tells me the condition is very real.

Embarrassing stuff from Kapil Dev and Abdul Razzaq.

 

[Mp812]

Kapil is from old times where school teachers used to beat up students to discipline them.
Today teachers cannot even yell to discipline. Forget teachers, even parents are afraid to scold kids.
That was a different era and in my opinion people were tougher overall.

One can understand mental issue if some extraordinary life altering event has happened... like person A loosing his family in an accident or person B being getting diagnosed by cancer outof blue . In other words events where a person can do nothing about it and is just bad fate.

But people clinging on to mental health because their income dropped or boss scolded them because they did not meet target or because they failed to win a game and fans made fun of them is not justified. If income has dropped go find a second job or go try better to be at targets or at the game you play. Thats what Kapil is saying. If you are under pressure which can be controlled by you or by your actions, do it. Dont be a baby an play mental victim card for day to day events which occur not in your life but in every 9 out of 10 people on daily basis.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Kapil speaks like he played, just a free spirit who played without complication or fear. Maybe coming from a simple farming background helped him in this regard. Still looks in great shape though mashallah.

 

[Zerotohero]

Kapil may be a great player but has very poor understand of real world and looks like he is still stuck in 83. Now people are coming out than few decades back and in this age of apps and social media it is being discussed more. Not that these were not present before.

 

[Robert]

I kind of see where he is coming from. On a similar note, mental health has become a fashion these days. It is largely an attention-seeking move.

This behavior is facilitated and encouraged in the sporting world even though these athletes live the most privileged life.

What Ben Stokes did last year, i.e. miss the all important home series against India and the WT20 because his head was not in the right place was unforgivable. It was pure selfishness , and ECB pampered him and rewarded him with captaincy.

These entitled athletes are out of touch with reality and the only way you can make them get in touch with reality is to not pamper them.

In the real world, if you go to your boss or employer and ask for time off because of “mental health”, you are more likely to get fired than have your mental health catered to.

The more this behavior is facilitated the more soft these players are going to get. During the pandemic days, these players would start crying after being confined in a 5-star hotel for a couple of weeks.

In the real world, people suffered a lot more and lost their jobs, couldn’t put food on the table.

The big factor is obviously the amount of money they earn. It forces them into a bubble of their own. I remember Tom Banton passing the opportunity to play in a BBL tournament because he didn’t want two spend two weeks in a 5-star hotel.

He could afford to do this because he already had way more more at the age of 19 than he should have.

He lost respect for the game and for money.

And look how well that turned out! England went from winning one test in seventeen under Root to winning six tests out of seven under Stokes.

Compare with Robin Smith and Marcus Trescothick, whose mental health issues were not handled well, so these very fine players lost their places when they still had years to give. ECB is more enlightened now.

I live in the "real world". I took a month off with stress because I was getting chest pains, belly was tensing up, IBS and couldn't sleep. I didn't get fired. They gave me a psych referral.