"I don’t think we should give an inch" : Border rubbishes India’s Sydney Test demand as ‘mind games’

[hoshiarpurexpress]

"I don’t think we should give an inch" : Border rubbishes India’s Sydney Test demand as ‘mind games’

Allan Border has hit back at suggestions the Sydney Test against India this summer could be pushed back.

India wants its players to be given an extended break after the Boxing Day Test and have requested that the traditional New Year’s Test at the SCG not start until January 7.

With the fourth Test in Brisbane, it would mean that the series wouldn’t be due to finish until the 19th or 20th of January, thus potentially clashing with the Big Bash and the Australian Open.

It also means skipper Virat Kohli could miss some of the series, with he and his Bollywood star wife, Anushka Sharma, announcing six weeks ago that they were expecting their first baby in January – although no specific due date was given.

But Border believes the schedule should not be up for negotiation, regardless of how much power India holds, and that it could just be the beginning of some mind games from the tourists.

“I don’t think it should be a negotiated scenario,” he told Fox Sports News. “If it’s necessary because of what is happening globally with the virus then fair enough, but if it’s just because they want a bit of a spell off between Boxing Day and the New Year’s Test match then that’s rubbish.

“We’ve been doing this for how many years now, back-to-back Test matches? It works a treat through that Christmas-New Year period and I wouldn’t be comfortable with it moving just because India want a couple more days off.

“I think they’re just playing mind games.

“They consider themselves the strength of world cricket, and financially that is the case so they do have a fair say in things. But if the roles were reversed, we wouldn’t have much say in the itinerary, it would just be put in front of us and these are the dates that we’re going to play.

“You can negotiate as much as you like but these are traditional dates that everyone knows have been in the calendar forever, so to start negotiating now… it’s a tough one. I wouldn’t be bowing down to it – we’ve got traditional dates, let’s stick with them.”

He also bemoaned the Brisbane Test match, traditionally the first of the Australian summer as of recent years, moving to become the fourth instalment of the series.

“The Brisbane Test match has traditionally be the first game for a lot of years now,” he added. “It’s such a great ground, it’s a pitch that we know well and play well on and it gives us a huge start to our international summer.

“Now obviously, India don’t want to play that first game in Brisbane, but that shouldn’t be the case. We should just be saying ‘these are the venues and these are the dates’. Unless there’s extenuating circumstances because of what is going on as we all know, then fair enough, but other than that, let’s get on with it.

“I suppose the bottom line is we just want to be seeing cricket played and that’s the main thing out of all of this and India actually agree to come to Australia. As far as of when games should and shouldn’t be played, I don’t think we should give an inch at all.”

Source :
https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricke...t/news-story/67b7b046eedc0e3d17cb2f418734d835

 

[tyron_woodley]

I agree. Shouldnt change dates which have been registered in the calendar for years.
But india play more games than any other country. India has obligations to play bilaterals in all formats. SO it is only fair that they get enough rest in between games.

How about india dont tour at all then if you dont like the situation AB?

 

[Third_Umpire]

I agree. Shouldnt change dates which have been registered in the calendar for years.
But india play more games than any other country. India has obligations to play bilaterals in all formats. SO it is only fair that they get enough rest in between games.

How about india dont tour at all then if you dont like the situation AB?

So basically you are OK with India bullying other boards to get the schedule they want?

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

So basically you are OK with India bullying other boards to get the schedule they want?

Traditionally this series should be held in india because the last border gavaskar was played in Australia.
So much for bullying.
Bcci is doing a favour by touring Australia.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

So basically you are OK with India bullying other boards to get the schedule they want?

No. On the contrary it is bullying by grumpy AB to refuse such a small request to only adjust the schedule by a couple of days to accommodate the visitors.

 

[tyron_woodley]

So basically you are OK with India bullying other boards to get the schedule they want?

Indian players are the busiest out of all nations. they have the hardest and longest schedule. so its only fair to give them a little extra days off to play as it's unfair to them when Australian players often have ample rest in between formats.

top Indian players are required to play all formats because they are marketable hence the reserve players don't get a chance.

Australia often rest Starc and Hazelwood for t20s and Odis even so they remain fresh for tests.

Not saying India India should bully anyone or the other way around. just saying that AB should shut his trap and just focus on his job.

Besides India is doing Australia a favour. Not the other way around.

Maybe India should cancel the tour and tour Pakistan instead. Would be hilarious.

 

[aloo paratha]

Traditionally this series should be held in india because the last border gavaskar was played in Australia.
So much for bullying.
Bcci is doing a favour by touring Australia.

New WTC schedule isn't taking any of that into account. England toured Sri Lanka in 2018 and was scheduled to do so again this year. Sri Lanka toured us in 2017, then did so again in 2019. WI toured Bangladesh in 2018 and will do so again early next year. To make the new schedule work, some tours had to repeat. Indias not doing anything special

 

[Gullycricket]

Smith and Warner returning and Indians quacking in their pants. Typical from Virat Bottler

 

[tyron_woodley]

New WTC schedule isn't taking any of that into account. England toured Sri Lanka in 2018 and was scheduled to do so again this year. Sri Lanka toured us in 2017, then did so again in 2019. WI toured Bangladesh in 2018 and will do so again early next year. To make the new schedule work, some tours had to repeat. Indias not doing anything special

Special or not they should shut their traps and just oblige to India's request.

India doesn't need their money. Australia needs the revenue stream from India touring them.

 

[naseem]

Corona situation in India won't allow too much cricket at home......heard India is scheduled to host England in Jan..... interesting will be how it goes given it will be a full series

 

[tyron_woodley]

Corona situation in India won't allow too much cricket at home......heard India is scheduled to host England in Jan..... interesting will be how it goes given it will be a full series

Yep very dangerous situation for England. think we should play in u.a.e instead.

 

[Hitman]

It's Australia that is desperate for this tour to go through, not India.

 

[aloo paratha]

Special or not they should shut their traps and just oblige to India's request.

India doesn't need their money. Australia needs the revenue stream from India touring them.

Why should they oblige? Why do India need extra days off? Every team (including India) for what? The last 3 or 4 decades has played the boxing day test and then the New years test right after.

Border is right, had the roles been reversed, Indians would never agree to it. Rightfully so, home board decides what's best for themselves, as long as the arrangements aren't ridiculous, which these definitely aren't.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

BORDER GAVASKAR TROPHY TO START WITH A PINK BALL TEST IN ADELAIDE
Also,the tour will start with limited overs series.
ODIs from 25-30 november
t20s from 4-8 dec
first test from 17 dec(Pink ball,Adelaide)
2nd test from 26 dec(MCG)
3rd test from 7 jan (SCG)
4th test from 15 jan(Brisbane,GABBA)

The two boards have internally agreed to this schedule,but will announce this only after getting approval from the state government especially from Queensland(brisbane).

 

[angrypathan]

Hope Virat's baby is due on the 10th and India get pumped.

 

[Varun]

Lol, our superheroes have no problem playing back to back to back IPL games but will throw a hissy fit when it comes to this.

 

[Ab Fan]

Lol, so much of hungama for a dead rubber test match

 

[angrypathan]

Lol, so much of hungama for a dead rubber test match

Winning 3-0 isn't as satisfying as winning 4-0

 

[Varun]

Winning 3-0 isn't as satisfying as winning 4-0

Is it a 4-test series?

I'm calling a 2-2.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Why should they oblige? Why do India need extra days off? Every team (including India) for what? The last 3 or 4 decades has played the boxing day test and then the New years test right after.

Border is right, had the roles been reversed, Indians would never agree to it. Rightfully so, home board decides what's best for themselves, as long as the arrangements aren't ridiculous, which these definitely aren't.

They don't decide squat. money decides. India has the money. India doesn't need to do them a favour. they should shut up and oblige or get lost.

Would Aussies do india or any other asian country a favour by touring if say the Asian country was not a popular side? I don't think so.

So they should just shut it and accept whatever they get.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Did Australia do India a favour in the 80s and early 90s when India were not so financially well off ? Yea that's what I thought. Did they or not try to monopolize the revenue model in 80s and 90s? Why should India give a damn about them? What about all the past restrictions prior to 80s era when cricket was seen as more of a white oriented sport?
Past is never forgotten.

 

[MMHS]

Very immature comments by Border - this things should be settled silently. Now, he has brought it to an ego clash. I didn’t see any reason why India should ask to defer the NY Test by 4 days, when it’s traditionally stats on 2nd Jan (now 3rd as ICC has imposed a rule of three day gap between Tests) but then I see in one post that the Test was scheduled on 7th...I don’t know honk this has anything to do with Kohli’s baby - 4 days hardly matters, particularly when there is one more Test after this and IND is asking to push it back, not bring forward. I think, the Test will start as per pre agreed schedule - 3rd or 7th Jan, I don’t know.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Very immature comments by Border - this things should be settled silently. Now, he has brought it to an ego clash. I didn’t see any reason why India should ask to defer the NY Test by 4 days, when it’s traditionally stats on 2nd Jan (now 3rd as ICC has imposed a rule of three day gap between Tests) but then I see in one post that the Test was scheduled on 7th...I don’t know honk this has anything to do with Kohli’s baby - 4 days hardly matters, particularly when there is one more Test after this and IND is asking to push it back, not bring forward. I think, the Test will start as per pre agreed schedule - 3rd or 7th Jan, I don’t know.

I think the suits in CA will be more mature about this, especially given the financial situation they are in. Or Indian board may let this one go. Border is on a TV show on Fox so he has to say something for the ratings.

 

[topspin]

If India wants a break between Christmas and New Year, they should move the start of the series by a month, so the first test starts in Jan 2021 instead.

But this will create a bad precedent. Cricket Australia needs the Boxing Day test not just because to maintain traditions but also it provides a big financial boost for them.

 

[MMHS]

I think the suits in CA will be more mature about this, especially given the financial situation they are in. Or Indian board may let this one go. Border is on a TV show on Fox so he has to say something for the ratings.

To be honest, no sympathy for Aussies or Poms regarding scheduling- they have bullied subcontinent teams for decades.... just now that can’t handle BCCI any more. For decades England toured AUS-SAF during winter and played Boxing Day/New Years day Test.... but Asian teams had to split the series so that they can visit their home for the happy holidays period - in contrast, PAK players probably play every year in two Eid days...

Similarly, Aussies in past never toured Asia between Nov to Feb, their cricket season - at the same time, they had no problems to tour SAF/NZ in that band - that was pure racism.

 

[MMHS]

If India wants a break between Christmas and New Year, they should move the start of the series by a month, so the first test starts in Jan 2021 instead.

But this will create a bad precedent. Cricket Australia needs the Boxing Day test not just because to maintain traditions but also it provides a big financial boost for them.

Boxing Day tradition is used to fit in their agenda- nothing much in it. 1990 MCG Test against PAK started on 10th January and that year they didn’t have Boxing Day/New years day Test/Australia day Test - PAK played third Test at SCG starting in February. Michel Bevan played an unreal ODI innings against WIN sometimes in 1990s - chasing ~200 on a mine field from 38/6 - on 1st January 1997 (?) - that year there was no NY Test.

Yes, normally the six venues in Australia have their preferred time - Nov Brisbane, early Dec - Hobert, mid Dec - WACA, Boxing Day, New Years Test and Australia Day (26 Jan) at Adelaide. But, this has been changed many times in past to accommodate other schedules.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Surprised the Aussies havent gone with the Gabba 1st to try and get at the Indians early, should be a good even series.

 

[tyron_woodley]

To be honest, no sympathy for Aussies or Poms regarding scheduling- they have bullied subcontinent teams for decades.... just now that can’t handle BCCI any more. For decades England toured AUS-SAF during winter and played Boxing Day/New Years day Test.... but Asian teams had to split the series so that they can visit their home for the happy holidays period - in contrast, PAK players probably play every year in two Eid days...

Similarly, Aussies in past never toured Asia between Nov to Feb, their cricket season - at the same time, they had no problems to tour SAF/NZ in that band - that was pure racism.

Exactly this. They can cry all they want but India won't budge. India is a powerhouse not only in cricket but they also hold a majority stake in the revenue model, therefore Australia have no choice but to oblige.

They need to man up and grovel at bcci's feet again to rescue them.

Post 2000 things have changed. credit deservedly should go to India.

I have no problems with India not touring Australia at all.

 

[topspin]

Boxing Day tradition is used to fit in their agenda- nothing much in it. 1990 MCG Test against PAK started on 10th January and that year they didn’t have Boxing Day/New years day Test/Australia day Test - PAK played third Test at SCG starting in February. Michel Bevan played an unreal ODI innings against WIN sometimes in 1990s - chasing ~200 on a mine field from 38/6 - on 1st January 1997 (?) - that year there was no NY Test.

Yes, normally the six venues in Australia have their preferred time - Nov Brisbane, early Dec - Hobert, mid Dec - WACA, Boxing Day, New Years Test and Australia Day (26 Jan) at Adelaide. But, this has been changed many times in past to accommodate other schedules.

Understood. It will be interesting to see whether CA will oblige or whether they'll stand firm (and perhaps put the tour at risk).

 

[Pakhs]

It's Australia that is desperate for this tour to go through, not India.

Its not about who is desperate its about bullying

 

[tyron_woodley]

Its not about who is desperate its about bullying

They deserve to get bullied.

 

[Hitman]

Its not about who is desperate its about bullying

There's no bullying here. Just a simple request from us. They are the ones who have been begging us for this tour to go through.

 

[Last Monetarist]

CA have already acquiesced to the BCCI's request to delay the New Year's test to January 7 according to the itinerary that's been sent over to the state governments for approval.

This isn't even the most egregious part of the scheduling though, CA also agreed to host the white ball stuff at the start of the tour which has had nasty ramifications for their relationship with Channel 7.

Border's in for a nasty shock, no board can afford to rile up the BCCI these days, we saw what happened with Cricket South Africa under Lorgat.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Border is 100% right, Indian cricket team is quite spoilt.... No Australia should not give India an inch, AGREED

 

[tyron_woodley]

CA have already acquiesced to the BCCI's request to delay the New Year's test to January 7 according to the itinerary that's been sent over to the state governments for approval.

This isn't even the most egregious part of the scheduling though, CA also agreed to host the white ball stuff at the start of the tour which has had nasty ramifications for their relationship with Channel 7.

Border's in for a nasty shock, no board can afford to rile up the BCCI these days, we saw what happened with Cricket South Africa under Lorgat.

Yep

I want the tests to be played first. it's not fair for the away team to play tests last as many of the test squad members also play odi and t20s. They will have less rest.

 

[Pakhs]

There's no bullying here. Just a simple request from us. They are the ones who have been begging us for this tour to go through.

Its does not matter if they are begging or not. The schedule should be decided by home side and Australia always had the exact same date. Once India decided to tour there should be no bullying to change the dates to suit them.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Its does not matter if they are begging or not. The schedule should be decided by home side and Australia always had the exact same date. Once India decided to tour there should be no bullying to change the dates to suit them.

Australia and England did the same in the past back in 80s and even 90s till about early 2000.

India turned the tables post 2000.

So Australia doesn't get to decide squat. they should get off their high horse and acquisce India's request.

 

[Pakhs]

Australia and England did the same in the past back in 80s and even 90s till about early 2000.

India turned the tables post 2000.

So Australia doesn't get to decide squat. they should get off their high horse and acquisce India's request.

two wrongs don't make a right, Most of India's wins already in the last decade have a big asterisk mark for most neutral fans due to taking advantage of their financial muscle and all that big 3 stuff that happened. Hopefully it does not continue in future.

 

[Giannis]

LOL cricket is like one of the only fields in the world where India holds so much financial clout and look at them trying to bully other countries, imagine if rich countries that dominate other industries tried to bully India cause they need them? We all should be glad that India is no where near being a superpower otherwise they would have made it a living hell for every other nation.

 

[Mesozoic]

two wrongs don't make a right, Most of India's wins already in the last decade have a big asterisk mark for most neutral fans due to taking advantage of their financial muscle and all that big 3 stuff that happened. Hopefully it does not continue in future.

Can I know what wins you're referring to that are with big asterisks according to "neutral fans"?

Genuinely curious.

 

[Pakhs]

Can I know what wins you're referring to that are with big asterisks according to "neutral fans"?

Genuinely curious.

All of this Big 3 stuff came out in public where BCCI tried and succeeded in reducing the funding of smaller boards who were already struggling to support their domestic structures specially 4 days games. As a result most team outside of top 3 regressed over time specially when it came to test matches and also reduced the amount they play etc.

This is just one example I could go on but there is no need. Although this post might be just another example.

 

[tyron_woodley]

two wrongs don't make a right, Most of India's wins already in the last decade have a big asterisk mark for most neutral fans due to taking advantage of their financial muscle and all that big 3 stuff that happened. Hopefully it does not continue in future.

Lol at Asterix. What about the past era's when India din't have the financial muscle. all those wins by SENA countries should be discarded as well because they took advantage of their financial muscle.

India din't dominate just due to financial muscle. India dominated because they improved their fitness levels, Training methods and started investing in IPL frachnize cricket which created a platform for young talents to earn a living.

I am sure it will continue and I don't even want India to tour Australia to be honest. India is not obliged to so them a favour. if India gains from doing so then by all means India should them out otherwise it's pointless.

It's not like cricket won't move on without the Aussies.

 

[tyron_woodley]

All of this Big 3 stuff came out in public where BCCI tried and succeeded in reducing the funding of smaller boards who were already struggling to support their domestic structures specially 4 days games. As a result most team outside of top 3 regressed over time specially when it came to test matches and also reduced the amount they play etc.

This is just one example I could go on but there is no need. Although this post might be just another example.

Nope wrong again.

India receive a bigger share of the pie because they have a better marketing structure, attract more fans and also have fans who actually have money to spend on tickets. India also promoted their franchise better and it paid dividends. India attracts the most crowd hence they earn more and plus India are also a great team which obviously helps.

 

[Pakhs]

Lol at Asterix. What about the past era's when India din't have the financial muscle. all those wins by SENA countries should be discarded as well because they took advantage of their financial muscle.

India din't dominate just due to financial muscle. India dominated because they improved their fitness levels, Training methods and started investing in IPL frachnize cricket which created a platform for young talents to earn a living.

I am sure it will continue and I don't even want India to tour Australia to be honest. India is not obliged to so them a favour. if India gains from doing so then by all means India should them out otherwise it's pointless.

It's not like cricket won't move on without the Aussies.

Nope wrong again.

India receive a bigger share of the pie because they have a better marketing structure, attract more fans and also have fans who actually have money to spend on tickets. India also promoted their franchise better and it paid dividends. India attracts the most crowd hence they earn more and plus India are also a great team which obviously helps.

The reality is even with all the money they can generate at home they went after smaller boards that was less due to the money they could recover and more trying to sabotage those boards to increase their win percentage which was badly needed to keep keep cricket as number 1 sport in India.

 

[U$ofA]

The reality is even with all the money they can generate at home they went after smaller boards that was less due to the money they could recover and more trying to sabotage those boards to increase their win percentage which was badly needed to keep keep cricket as number 1 sport in India.

I think the BCCI just wanted to keep more of the $$$ that they generated. Which is fair. Instead of supplying the corrupted boards with endless free money.

I mean there is no way boards like CSA, WI and SLC should be given any money. It will go to complete waste.

 

[U$ofA]

All of this Big 3 stuff came out in public where BCCI tried and succeeded in reducing the funding of smaller boards who were already struggling to support their domestic structures specially 4 days games. As a result most team outside of top 3 regressed over time specially when it came to test matches and also reduced the amount they play etc.

This is just one example I could go on but there is no need. Although this post might be just another example.

How long should these boards be given free money? There has to be some end game. There has to come a point where these boards clean up their act and become self sufficient.

 

[Pakhs]

Lol at Asterix. What about the past era's when India din't have the financial muscle. all those wins by SENA countries should be discarded as well because they took advantage of their financial muscle.

India din't dominate just due to financial muscle. India dominated because they improved their fitness levels, Training methods and started investing in IPL frachnize cricket which created a platform for young talents to earn a living.

I am sure it will continue and I don't even want India to tour Australia to be honest. India is not obliged to so them a favour. if India gains from doing so then by all means India should them out otherwise it's pointless.

It's not like cricket won't move on without the Aussies.

I think the BCCI just wanted to keep more of the $$$ that they generated. Which is fair. Instead of supplying the corrupted boards with endless free money.

I mean there is no way boards like CSA, WI and SLC should be given any money. It will go to complete waste.

How long should these boards be given free money? There has to be some end game. There has to come a point where these boards clean up their act and become self sufficient.

Any money that is generated trough ICC should be distributed equally doesn't matter where most of the money is coming from. BCCI should keep the money from bilateral and IPL etc.

India have all of a sudden become a better team (marginally) than past in the time other boards are struggling and regressing.

 

[tyron_woodley]

The reality is even with all the money they can generate at home they went after smaller boards that was less due to the money they could recover and more trying to sabotage those boards to increase their win percentage which was badly needed to keep keep cricket as number 1 sport in India.

Australia did the exact same thing in early 2000 and 90. Why din't anyone complain then? Inferiority complex?

India put them in their place and rightfully so.

How is India trying to sabotage other asian countries' board's capacity to earn their fair share of revenue?
What proof is there ? India can't promote other teams. They are not going to spoon feed other asian countries.

India invested in the right tools aka ipl frachizes and it paid dividends.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Any money that is generated trough ICC should be distributed equally doesn't matter where most of the money is coming from. BCCI should keep the money from bilateral and IPL etc.

India have all of a sudden become a better team (marginally) than past in the time other boards are struggling and regressing.

No that's not how life works.

India generate more revenue so India keep their fair share. India garner more interest and promote their team better. India also attract more fans and they get the bigger piece of the revenue stream. This is fair.

you have to earn your share.

 

[Pakhs]

Australia did the exact same thing in early 2000 and 90. Why din't anyone complain then? Inferiority complex?

India put them in their place and rightfully so.

How is India trying to sabotage other asian countries' board's capacity to earn their fair share of revenue?
What proof is there ? India can't promote other teams. They are not going to spoon feed other asian countries.

India invested in the right tools aka ipl frachizes and it paid dividends.

India was already a rich board even without IPL, simply IPL meant more games so more money. But yet they went after smaller boards which are largely Asian based the money they got made hardly a difference for BCCI as they are already very rich.

 

[U$ofA]

Any money that is generated trough ICC should be distributed equally doesn't matter where most of the money is coming from. BCCI should keep the money from bilateral and IPL etc.

India have all of a sudden become a better team (marginally) than past in the time other boards are struggling and regressing.

This is a bad idea. It encourages boards like WI to do absolutely nothing. They will never make any effort to become self sufficient. Never go out make deals or promote anything. They have all this free money coming in with no effort on their part. Why would they?

They will just wait for the next check from ICC. Let the Big3 do all the legwork while they put their legs up and wait.

 

[Pakhs]

No that's not how life works.

India generate more revenue so India keep their fair share. India garner more interest and promote their team better. India also attract more fans and they get the bigger piece of the revenue stream. This is fair.

you have to earn your share.

India is bigger country bigger than all other countries combined. The money they generate from the only sport in the country is nothing to be overly proud off if you look at football in China or american sports or football league in Europe the money generated is still peanuts.

But none the less the make enough and there was no need to go after small boards. It certainly wasn't through desperation for the money it was because of the desire to sabotage those nations ability to compete evenly on the field.

 

[Pakhs]

This is a bad idea. It encourages boards like WI to do absolutely nothing. They will never make any effort to become self sufficient. Never go out make deals or promote anything. They have all this free money coming in with no effort on their part. Why would they?

They will just wait for the next check from ICC. Let the Big3 do all the legwork while they put their legs up and wait.

It doesn't matter, what BCCI is doing currently is making sure its becomes from 8 teams sport to effectively 3 or 2 teams sport. test match is already gone that way.

 

[Mesozoic]

All of this Big 3 stuff came out in public where BCCI tried and succeeded in reducing the funding of smaller boards who were already struggling to support their domestic structures specially 4 days games. As a result most team outside of top 3 regressed over time specially when it came to test matches and also reduced the amount they play etc.

This is just one example I could go on but there is no need. Although this post might be just another example.

And what's stopping the "smaller" boards to get their act together and be competent for once instead of crying foul at BCCI and the big 3. Big 3 are only making sure they're taking their fair share.

Regression of Pak, SAF, WI and SL have nothing to do with the big 3 and everything to do with their own incompetence and incapabilities. Anything else is just a classic case of victim complex.

 

[Mesozoic]

But none the less the make enough and there was no need to go after small boards. It certainly wasn't through desperation for the money it was because of the desire to sabotage those nations ability to compete evenly on the field.

Bold part. Can you elaborate on that a little.

When did BCCI "go after" a smaller board?

 

[Mesozoic]

It doesn't matter, what BCCI is doing currently is making sure its becomes from 8 teams sport to effectively 3 or 2 teams sport. test match is already gone that way.

Test cricket went that way only because those "smaller" boards couldn't do enough to get enough Test quality cricketers from their below par domestic systems.

BCCI is not responsible for Pak Test team's no.7 a ranking and the lack of Test class talent coming through from Barbados and Jamaica.

 

[Pakhs]

Bold part. Can you elaborate on that a little.

When did BCCI "go after" a smaller board?

Test cricket went that way only because those "smaller" boards couldn't do enough to get enough Test quality cricketers from their below par domestic systems.

BCCI is not responsible for Pak Test team's no.7 a ranking and the lack of Test class talent coming through from Barbados and Jamaica.

You are lacking basic knowledge in this world. These things are related to money if there is enough money you can always generate players. But having reduced budgets have meant those countries have had to prioritize T20 cricket and biggest proof is Pakistan who were No.1 for a long time as they prioritized it. Even in teh last T20 series they were able to draw the series in England playing at home.

 

[U$ofA]

And what's stopping the "smaller" boards to get their act together and be competent for once instead of crying foul at BCCI and the big 3. Big 3 are only making sure they're taking their fair share.

Regression of Pak, SAF, WI and SL have nothing to do with the big 3 and everything to do with their own incompetence and incapabilities. Anything else is just a classic case of victim complex.

Agree. At least with the PCB they are making an effort to turn things around. But with CSA, WI and SLC things are going further in the other direction. No amount of $$$ can fix.

 

[U$ofA]

You are lacking basic knowledge in this world. These things are related to money if there is enough money you can always generate players. But having reduced budgets have meant those countries have had to prioritize T20 cricket and biggest proof is Pakistan who were No.1 for a long time as they prioritized it. Even in teh last T20 series they were able to draw the series in England playing at home.

No amount of money is going to fix CSA, WI and SLC in the current form.

 

[tyron_woodley]

India was already a rich board even without IPL, simply IPL meant more games so more money. But yet they went after smaller boards which are largely Asian based the money they got made hardly a difference for BCCI as they are already very rich.

That's not true at all. BCCI was poor until early 2000. In the 90s India's economy was actually declining.

Pakistan had a better growth rate in 80s and 90s compared to India and the results obtained in cricket show that it is correlated to how strong and prosperous your country's economy is.

India just turned the tables. India is one of the strongest economies in the world now especially in terms of growth rate hence India have been able to dominate in cricket.

India became a top side post 2007 because they took fitness seriously. Dhoni started it. Kohli revolutionised the fitness factor.

 

[tyron_woodley]

India is bigger country bigger than all other countries combined. The money they generate from the only sport in the country is nothing to be overly proud off if you look at football in China or american sports or football league in Europe the money generated is still peanuts.

But none the less the make enough and there was no need to go after small boards. It certainly wasn't through desperation for the money it was because of the desire to sabotage those nations ability to compete evenly on the field.

No it wasn't.

Australia and England were always disingenuous and they actually intentionally wanted to monopolize the revenue model.india conversely helped out many countries.

India give Afghanistan free access to use their cricket stadiums to host test series.
India did a lot of favours for sri Lanka when they desperately needed money during the economic crisis back in 08.

India helped Nepal host home series in India.

If anything India is being too generous to these ungrateful dweebs who love to freeload of India.

India needs to cut it out completely.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Test cricket went that way only because those "smaller" boards couldn't do enough to get enough Test quality cricketers from their below par domestic systems.

BCCI is not responsible for Pak Test team's no.7 a ranking and the lack of Test class talent coming through from Barbados and Jamaica.

Yep. India just have superior talent. Period.

India had a huge population in 80s and 70s too. They couldn't dominate in tests at the time because they lacked the fitness and the talent.

Smaller boards are just inferior in every regard hence they can't compete with the big boys.

Population doesn't determine talent anyway.

India is still a 3rd world country. The average Indian doesntt have access to the same nutrition and diets of the western countries.
India still don't have the greatest sporting facilities, standard of living is still poor and yet India have managed to be a top side despsite all these deficiencies.

 

[Pakhs]

Yep. India just have superior talent. Period.

India had a huge population in 80s and 70s too. They couldn't dominate in tests at the time because they lacked the fitness and the talent.

Smaller boards are just inferior in every regard hence they can't compete with the big boys.

Population doesn't determine talent anyway.

India is still a 3rd world country. The average Indian doesntt have access to the same nutrition and diets of the western countries.
India still don't have the greatest sporting facilities, standard of living is still poor and yet India have managed to be a top side despsite all these deficiencies.

Top side out of 8 test playing nations that too periodically, sharing the spoils with many teams and not won an ICC tournament for 10 years almost. Its not the greatest of records for a country the size of India with essentially one sport. England won the last world cup and cricket is 3rd sport in the country.

Indian I know are genetically advantaged particularly south of India but still with that kind of population they should still be able to find 11 top class cricketers at any given times.

 

[Mesozoic]

You are lacking basic knowledge in this world. These things are related to money if there is enough money you can always generate players. But having reduced budgets have meant those countries have had to prioritize T20 cricket and biggest proof is Pakistan who were No.1 for a long time as they prioritized it. Even in teh last T20 series they were able to draw the series in England playing at home.

Not everything is related to money.

Even if it was, there is nothing that's stopping these "victim" boards to generate enough budgets to self sustain and produce half a dozen quality Test Cricketers. Nothing's stopping them from signing big TV and sponsorship deals and market their teams , players and their leagues in a better way.

No-one is going to take their whining seriously as long as they keep craving for undeserved shares and donations from bigger boards while doing nothing concrete in return.

P.s - Pakistan's T20 ranking had nothing to do with their priorities (if there were any in the first place). Let's not go down there now.

 

[Pakhs]

Not everything is related to money.

Even if it was, there is nothing that's stopping these "victim" boards to generate enough budgets to self sustain and produce half a dozen quality Test Cricketers. Nothing's stopping them from signing big TV and sponsorship deals and market their teams , players and their leagues in a better way.

No-one is going to take their whining seriously as long as they keep craving for undeserved shares and donations from bigger boards while doing nothing concrete in return.

P.s - Pakistan's T20 ranking had nothing to do with their priorities (if there were any in the first place). Let's not go down there now.

Pakistan T20 ranking was based on them prioritizing that format that was very obvious while other countries where resting their players Pakistan were playing full strength teams.

Everything is related to money and 8 team sports the ICC money should be split equally and the boards know it have acknowledged it in the past but due to greed and vested interests test cricket is almost dead. You cant call it an international sports with 3 teams taking it seriously lol.

Only T20 cricket is thriving or gaining popularity other two formats are slowly becoming more and more irrelevant.

 

[Mesozoic]

India had a huge population in 80s and 70s too. They couldn't dominate in tests at the time because they lacked the fitness and the talent.


Population doesn't determine talent anyway.

With all due respect , the population logic is just plain dumb.

Australia with a population of a little over 25 mn has 10 men's world cup titles in Cricket, Field Hockey and Rugby. I'm not even including the other code.. the rugby league (6 WC titles)and their constant appearances at the FIFA WCs.

And then there are countries like Indonesia and Nigeria..... you get the point.

If population was everything, Pakistan would have been the second richest formidable cricketing nation by now fielding "top" teams in every format and a big say in the ICC being a part of the "big-4" or something.

 

[Mesozoic]

Everything is related to money and 8 team sports the ICC money should be split equally and the boards know it have acknowledged it in the past but due to greed and vested interests test cricket is almost dead. You cant call it an international sports with 3 teams taking it seriously lol.

So the point you're trying to make is that BCCI and CA should donate a lion share of their revenues generated from a Border-Gavaskar Trophy to West Indian, Sri Lankan and Pakistani boards..... ....because they are are not competent enough to survive and sustain on their own.

I mean charity is a great thing and all but apparently the top brass at the big-3 aren't noble enough so....

 

[Pakhs]

So the point you're trying to make is that BCCI and CA should donate a lion share of their revenues generated from a Border-Gavaskar Trophy to West Indian, Sri Lankan and Pakistani boards..... ....because they are are not competent enough to survive and sustain on their own.

I mean charity is a great thing and all but apparently the top brass at the big-3 aren't noble enough so....

I am saying the ICC money should be divided equally bilaterals are for those two countries only.

 

[Pakhs]

With all due respect , the population logic is just plain dumb.

Australia with a population of a little over 25 mn has 10 men's world cup titles in Cricket, Field Hockey and Rugby. I'm not even including the other code.. the rugby league (6 WC titles)and their constant appearances at the FIFA WCs.

And then there are countries like Indonesia and Nigeria..... you get the point.

If population was everything, Pakistan would have been the second richest formidable cricketing nation by now fielding "top" teams in every format and a big say in the ICC being a part of the "big-4" or something.

But Pakistan is not as big as India. India is bigger than Pakistan and Bangladesh put together and you can throw in Australia aswell if you wanted.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I am saying the ICC money should be divided equally bilaterals are for those two countries only.

no it shouldn't. india generate more revenue for ICC so they deserve a bigger chunk of the pie.

go cry to ICC about it.

 

[HitWicket]

in football they have recruited all kinds of non englishmen to represent them. how many carribeans?

1 in the teams 150 year history...

 

[Mesozoic]

But Pakistan is not as big as India. India is bigger than Pakistan and Bangladesh put together and you can throw in Australia aswell if you wanted.

Yes India is big and and that's why BCCI are the most powerful governing body with a top class international team.

But what's stopping Pakistan, the second biggest cricketing nation to be atleast in the top-4 if not second?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Good stuff by BCCI. While we are at it we should also tell them about what kind of pitches we want, maximum runs they can score in a single inning and the most important request should be to drop Warner and Smith from their playing eleven.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yes India is big and and that's why BCCI are the most powerful governing body with a top class international team.

But what's stopping Pakistan, the second biggest cricketing nation to be atleast in the top-4 if not second?

Now I am confident that we will easily crush Australia with Warner and Smith.

 

[Zaz]

I dont think the aussies should too

Why should they give any adv to the indians? They wouldnt

 

[U$ofA]

Good stuff by BCCI. While we are at it we should also tell them about what kind of pitches we want, maximum runs they can score in a single inning and the most important request should be to drop Warner and Smith from their playing eleven.

I am sure this is already dictated by Star Sports!

 

[tyron_woodley]

Top side out of 8 test playing nations that too periodically, sharing the spoils with many teams and not won an ICC tournament for 10 years almost. Its not the greatest of records for a country the size of India with essentially one sport. England won the last world cup and cricket is 3rd sport in the country.

Indian I know are genetically advantaged particularly south of India but still with that kind of population they should still be able to find 11 top class cricketers at any given times.

Lol India is actually better than englund and Aussies in wrestling.

England without imports are nobodies in any sport.they have poor genetics.
India don't have poor genetics. India just don't have access to the same standard of living, diet/nutrition, facilities as the western countries and yet we still are a top side in cricket, hockey etc.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I dont think the aussies should too

Why should they give any adv to the indians? They wouldnt

They will do as they are told.

 

[Pakhs]

Yes India is big and and that's why BCCI are the most powerful governing body with a top class international team.

But what's stopping Pakistan, the second biggest cricketing nation to be atleast in the top-4 if not second?

no it shouldn't. india generate more revenue for ICC so they deserve a bigger chunk of the pie.

go cry to ICC about it.

In comparison to India Pakistan is not big infact Bangladesh population is slightly more or similar. India has a population of at least 6 times of Pakistan. So Although Pakistan is 2/3rd biggest country but advantage is not as big.

You must know all of this already but it probably hurts knowing despite all this advantage India is not currently number 1 and hence all these denials.

 

[Mesozoic]

In comparison to India Pakistan is not big infact Bangladesh population is slightly more or similar. India has a population of at least 6 times of Pakistan. So Although Pakistan is 2/3rd biggest country but advantage is not as big.

You must know all of this already but it probably hurts knowing despite all this advantage India is not currently number 1 and hence all these denials.

Lol stop beating around the bush and answer my question.

If population and size are everything, then why is Pakistan with a population twice that of Australia, England and New Zealand put together is currently ranked no.7 while the aforementioned teams are in the top 4 ? Heck even add Sri Lanka and South Africa to that..... You get the point.

We were number 1 for 4 years straight so it doesn't really "hurt" as much as you think. But I'm pretty sure it hurts being ranked barely above the West Indies for years despite being the second biggest cricketing nation.