"I expect Pakistan board will arrange neutral venue for us as they did for WI" : BCB's Nazmul Hassan

[khan_aa]

Pakistan should refuse to go Bangladesh too and cite safety issues. Let's see if they play their home series in the UAE

Pakistan should go to Bangladesh, beat them
By an innings every time, on match presentation thank the Pakistani public for support through out and welcome Bangladesh back.

Time to shame Bangladesh like how they were shamed in that last game in WC 2019.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

If Pakistan is going to adopt the same aggressive approach against SENA esp Aus vs NZ I'll believe them.

But honestly, it seems like PCB and most of the fans think its easy to bully BCB like 15 years ago.

Not happening.

 

[DRsohail]

Play t20s and wait for tests But do not play on neutral venues, can play them in april if they cole here [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION].

 

[barah_admi]

The BCB has no clout in the ICC, meaning they have simply erected a weak spine based on the financing of the BCCI. IN all honesty, the PCB should be pushing the ICC to have all home matches in Pakistan and to gain points from any team not touring, ala forfeited matches the likes of which we have seen in Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe. This is currently Khan and Mani's biggest test.

 

[Ronaldo7]

You should not write a post this long and base it on assumptions.

First, you are assuming England, Australia and New Zealand would not tour in the years to come. There is no factual evidence of this as...you know, it is the future.

Second, you seem to think the attitude here is condescending and bullying, yet seem to ignore entirely the millions of posts here by Indian posters, by Bengali posters and by "Pakistani" posters...which leads to your second assumption, that the posts are only this way because it is regarding Bangladesh but many posters are speaking from the perspective of ICC regulations, if a country has been cleared for tours and a side does not tour, then there needs to be forfeited points. This was the case in 1996 when Sri Lanka was a far more dangerous place than Pakistan is (SL still is actually), where teams during the WC refused to tour and were docked their allotted points.

Also, what does a war in 1971 have to do with a bilateral cricket series in 2020?

Sri Lanka was a very dangerous place until 2009.
Their civil war was absolute carnage. Similar to Afghanistan. Their rebels were the ones who invested suicide bombing

Did teams stop touring Sri Lanka?

I only remember Aus forfeiting the match in the 1996 CWC. The fact that the WC was actually allowed to be hosted there tells you a lot.

 

[Ahmed4472]

Sri Lanka was a very dangerous place until 2009.
Their civil war was absolute carnage. Similar to Afghanistan. Their rebels were the ones who invested suicide bombing

Did teams stop touring Sri Lanka?

I only remember Aus forfeiting the match in the 1996 CWC. The fact that the WC was actually allowed to be hosted there tells you a lot.

West Indies boycotted too and Sri Lanka were given points for both games and they qualified for the quarter finals before even the world cup started. Sri Lanka beating Australia in the WC final was then icing on the cake

 

[hur rizvi]

Play t20s and wait for tests But do not play on neutral venues, can play them in april if they cole here [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION].

Agree with this

Tone down the aggressive attitude. Play T20s and ask them again to reconsider their position on tests. If they play in Pakistan well and good, otherwise cancel the series

 

[hur rizvi]

Arguing with BCB isn’t fruitful at all for Pakistan’s cause. We can’t force any team to visit whether their excuses are false or true. Just get on with the things and play T20s. Tell them playing outside Pakistan is not an option but let’s first play T20s and then we can discuss about tests in Dhaka or Islamabad or wherever you like.

 

[Last Monetarist]

If Bangladesh dig in their heels, the PCB are left with no option but to call off the tour. Any points lost in the WTC are irrelevant when it comes to the big picture.

 

[Balthazar]

So many missed opportunities for these two teams to start cricket rivalry. We need one in Asia and it's good for the game.

 

[OmarKhan99]

"We always believe this (neutral) is never a solution," BCB chief executive Nizamuddin Chowdhury

1. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/no-neutral-venue-for-england-bangladesh
2. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket...-morgan-and-alex-hales-both-refuse-to-tour-b/
3. https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/37331990

The irony...

Probably more appropriate to post this on this thread.

 

[ahsan17]

"We always believe this (neutral) is never a solution," BCB chief executive Nizamuddin Chowdhury

1. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/no-neutral-venue-for-england-bangladesh
2. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket...-morgan-and-alex-hales-both-refuse-to-tour-b/
3. https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/37331990

The irony...

This is quite devastating. Someone from PP should send this to PCB so PCB can use this to their advantage.

 

[Shafi]

Agree with this

Tone down the aggressive attitude. Play T20s and ask them again to reconsider their position on tests. If they play in Pakistan well and good, otherwise cancel the series

Or cancel 3 T20s and play a test only. It will not last more than 4 days.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Srilanka only toured after they felt safe in pakistan in the limited overs tour , why is bangladesh not allowed the same and pcb has resorted to threatening and some players are reminding them debt of gratitude. Welcome them with open arms for t20s , show them great hospitality and they may tour for tests in future. There is no way you can strongarm them into coming to tests to pakistan.

 

[Veteran]

I told you guys - I know Papon personally . Those few cancelled games in 2017 cost BCB that time ..... it has to cost PCB something

[MENTION=3505]Veteran[/MENTION] - not the best time I guess as the emotions are high; may be sometimes later I’ll share few stories from my family which was ideologically divided by three generations.

Look forward to the day when we can put some of the differences behind us.

 

[ahsan17]

Srilanka only toured after they felt safe in pakistan in the limited overs tour , why is bangladesh not allowed the same and pcb has resorted to threatening and some players are reminding them debt of gratitude. Welcome them with open arms for t20s , show them great hospitality and they may tour for tests in future. There is no way you can strongarm them into coming to tests to pakistan.

I was supporting BCB initially, but after looking at the messaging, I think BCB's messaging has been confusing at best. I have only seen one source mention it clearly that they will consider the tests after the T20 series. BCB's chief has said they will not tour for tests and expect a neutral venue. How is PCB supposed to look at this?

On top of all that,

"We always believe this (neutral) is never a solution," BCB chief executive Nizamuddin Chowdhury

1. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/no-neutr...and-bangladesh
2. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/...use-to-tour-b/
3. https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/37331990

 

[JibranAnsari]

I was supporting BCB initially, but after looking at the messaging, I think BCB's messaging has been confusing at best. I have only seen one source mention it clearly that they will consider the tests after the T20 series. BCB's chief has said they will not tour for tests and expect a neutral venue. How is PCB supposed to look at this?

On top of all that,

"We always believe this (neutral) is never a solution," BCB chief executive Nizamuddin Chowdhury

1. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/no-neutr...and-bangladesh
2. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/...use-to-tour-b/
3. https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/37331990

It came after PCB reacted harshly on the news of them playing only t20s in pakistan , everyone in the PCB responded to them and that included the coach and the captain who should not be talking about it at all in media. We just can not afford to do this at the moment , we thanked sri lanka that they toured pakistan and we are trying to strongarm BCB into touring pakistan. Show them that we are safe during the t20 tour and they might change their mind.

 

[ahsan17]

It came after PCB reacted harshly on the news of them playing only t20s in pakistan , everyone in the PCB responded to them and that included the coach and the captain who should not be talking about it at all in media. We just can not afford to do this at the moment , we thanked sri lanka that they toured pakistan and we are trying to strongarm BCB into touring pakistan. Show them that we are safe during the t20 tour and they might change their mind.

Yeah, all the responses from PCB and cricketers came after some sources from BCB said they won't tour for tests and other said they will see how T20s go. IMO, if BCB had been consistent in saying they will see how T20s go, they might have got a better response from PCB.

 

[FreePalestine]

It came after PCB reacted harshly on the news of them playing only t20s in pakistan , everyone in the PCB responded to them and that included the coach and the captain who should not be talking about it at all in media. We just can not afford to do this at the moment , we thanked sri lanka that they toured pakistan and we are trying to strongarm BCB into touring pakistan. Show them that we are safe during the t20 tour and they might change their mind.

It would be impossible to create an FTP if we give every single team the option of playing a T20 series then ‘having a look’ at the security arrangements before scheduling a test series at the last minute... Sri Lanka were the firsts to play test cricket here after ten years, so it is understandable that PCB was flexible. Now we have proved that it is a safe country to tour. There really are no genuine excuses not to tour on security reasons. That is why people are mad at BCB.

 

[JibranAnsari]

We need to treat bcb like any other boards and stop reminding them of debt of gratitude or that they are minnows , would we be doing the same to australia , england , nz , sa or west indies?

 

[Abdullah719]

PCB again asks BD to give reasons for not playing Tests in Pakistan

KARACHI: While the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) still remains adamant that its national side would only travel to Pakistan for the three-match Twenty20 International series in January over security concerns, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has once again asked their counterparts to provide valid reasons for their refusal to play the Test matches here.

A senior PCB official said on Thursday the BCB has been asked to explain the rationale of their reluctance to fulfill their obligation under the ICC Future Tour Programme (FTP).

The PCB has reminded that the series has been on the FTP since December 2018, while on 21 October 2019, the PCB had written to the BCB about the series and shared the draft itinerary, which they only responded in December.

The PCB, in an email on Thursday, has recapped that the Sri Lanka cricket team, which was targeted in March 2009 by the terrorists, had just completed the Test series of an incident-free two-leg tour to Pakistan.

Sri Lanka spent a grand total of 34 days, 17 each across the limited-overs trip — in September/October when they played One-day Internationals in Karachi and the T20 series in Lahore — and the recent Test matches in Rawalpindi and Karachi.

The visitors not only commended the PCB but also praised the Pakistan government for making excellent security arrangements during the landmark tour.

In fact, Sri Lanka Test captain Dimuth Karunaratne, during his media briefings, repeatedly regretted at skipping the ODI leg after being overwhelmed by the security blanket to his team both in Rawalpindi and Karachi.

“We have also offered the BCB that if they have any concerns, they should visit Pakistan and discuss the matter with us so that we are able to convince them and provide better guidance,” a PCB spokesman said, while adding: “The discussions are ongoing and we remain confident that the BCB will review their decision.”

The PCB has further written in the letter that the International Cricket Council (ICC) only sends its officials after reviewing and approving security plans. Since 2017, the PCB said, the game’s governing body had sent five teams of match officials to supervise the international fixtures played in Pakistan.

The BCB stance is quite strange because in recent months it had sent an under-16 national team to Rawalpindi and the women’s side to Lahore after a high-powered visit by their security delegation.

Moreover, the PCB has advised BCB officials to reach out Reg Dickason, the renowned expert on security-related issues who is regularly engaged by the ICC, opinion about the Pakistan security.

Dickason was in Rawalpindi and Multan last month and gave the thumbs up to these cities who will be staging their first matches of the HBL Pakistan Super League in February and March.

The other point that has perplexed the PCB is the BCB’s choice of Islamabad as one of the two venues along with Rawalpindi. The PCB, in its latest communiqué, has asked for clarification while informing their opposite numbers that there was no ICC-accredited venue in Islamabad.

“We received an email from the BCB on Tuesday and today [Thursday] we have responded to them. Obviously, this series is important to both the countries who need Test cricket. Besides, this is also part of the ICC World Test Championship, so the ICC is also a stakeholder n this.

“In the past few years, we have demonstrated to the world that Pakistan is as safe and secure as any other cricket-playing country and we need to know what are the BCB’s reasons for not sending their players for an extended stay.

PCB Chairman Ehsan Mani had last week made it clear that offshore Tests were off the table. This effectively means either Bangladesh will play the Tests in Pakistan or the matter will potentially be referred to the ICC and/or its dispute panel in the scenario of PCB facing legal actions from its commercial and media partners.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1524606/p...ive-reasons-for-not-playing-tests-in-pakistan

 

[Abdullah719]

The other point that has perplexed the PCB is the BCB’s choice of Islamabad as one of the two venues along with Rawalpindi. The PCB, in its latest communiqué, has asked for clarification while informing their opposite numbers that there was no ICC-accredited venue in Islamabad.

What

 

[mgtow]

Hosting Bangladesh is not financially viable never mind in neutral venues which is asking for bankruptcy.

The whole point of hosting home series is to prove that it is safe to host which has been proved finally at last as started with Sri Lanka and finally, finalized with Sri Lanka as the testament of the integrity for the safety of Pakistan as whole.

Therefore, Bangladesh is not needed as hosting Bangladesh is hardly financially viable even at home.

 

[Shafi]

PCB does it again. Have some self respect. No point to do all these begging. They should know by now BCB will not tour Pakistan at all. Someone will file a petition and they will pull out at the eleventh hour.
PCB needs some professional and firm minded people not con artist like Wasim Khan and mr. coward Mani.

 

[MenInG]

The other point that has perplexed the PCB is the BCB’s choice of Islamabad as one of the two venues along with Rawalpindi. The PCB, in its latest communiqué, has asked for clarification while informing their opposite numbers that there was no ICC-accredited venue in Islamabad.

What

Seems a lot of thought process has gone into this whole thing from BCB.

 

[Abdullah719]

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-cricket-in-pakistan/articleshow/72988170.cms

Bangladesh has suggested that test matches be played in a neutral venue. “We only want to play T20s in Pakistan and tests in a neutral venue. There could be threats to the Bangladesh team from terror groups,” a Bangladesh government official told ET.

 

[Abdullah719]

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-cricket-in-pakistan/articleshow/72988170.cms

Bangladesh has suggested that test matches be played in a neutral venue. “We only want to play T20s in Pakistan and tests in a neutral venue. There could be threats to the Bangladesh team from terror groups,” a Bangladesh government official told ET.

So 'terror groups' will only threaten the Test team, thus they are willing to play T20Is. OK.

 

[Babbar]

Hosting Bangladesh is not financially viable never mind in neutral venues which is asking for bankruptcy.

The whole point of hosting home series is to prove that it is safe to host which has been proved finally at last as started with Sri Lanka and finally, finalized with Sri Lanka as the testament of the integrity for the safety of Pakistan as whole.

Therefore, Bangladesh is not needed as hosting Bangladesh is hardly financially viable even at home.

Hosting any team for test matches, except possibly India, is not financially viable for Pakistan as we saw in the first home test series after a decade this month. As you mentioned, Pakistan is not really interested in hosting BD.

Pakistan saved millions of dollars as other countries refused to visit Pakistan for the last 10 years. Even now a few countries, SL, BD, WI, will probably happier visiting just for T20 and ODIs, not for tests. This is a win-win for PCB as it made moolah though T20s while still claiming victimhood due to International BCCI-ICC conspiracy of denying them the right to host test matches.

Very diabolical plan!

 

[Executioner]

Let the T20Is go ahead and if our lads feel comfortable they will tour for the tests. One step at a time

 

[Shafi]

Hosting any team for test matches, except possibly India, is not financially viable for Pakistan as we saw in the first home test series after a decade this month. As you mentioned, Pakistan is not really interested in hosting BD.

Pakistan saved millions of dollars as other countries refused to visit Pakistan for the last 10 years. Even now a few countries, SL, BD, WI, will probably happier visiting just for T20 and ODIs, not for tests. This is a win-win for PCB as it made moolah though T20s while still claiming victimhood due to International BCCI-ICC conspiracy of denying them the right to host test matches.

Very diabolical plan!

Since India and its players only valuable for cricket and others just rubbish, BCCI should stop playing International matches with other teams and give IPL as international status and make it in 3 formats. That's way they will generate more revenue

 

[Shafi]

Let the T20Is go ahead and if our lads feel comfortable they will tour for the tests. One step at a time

BCB already said that they want to play test in neutral venue.

 

[mgtow]

Hosting any team for test matches, except possibly India, is not financially viable for Pakistan as we saw in the first home test series after a decade this month. As you mentioned, Pakistan is not really interested in hosting BD.

Pakistan saved millions of dollars as other countries refused to visit Pakistan for the last 10 years. Even now a few countries, SL, BD, WI, will probably happier visiting just for T20 and ODIs, not for tests. This is a win-win for PCB as it made moolah though T20s while still claiming victimhood due to International BCCI-ICC conspiracy of denying them the right to host test matches.

Very diabolical plan!

Pakistan always pulled the crowds in the past because Pakistan hosted teams in towns rather than cities where they are busy weeks. Pakistan managed to generate some viewers at home when hosted West Indies last time in 2007.

Pakistan just need to get the ball rolling. Once that is sorted out, the popularity of test format will return as Pakistan plays more especially hosting England and Australia can do the wonders for Pakistan as done in the past.

Sri Lanka is not exactly crowd puller not Pakistan team is formidable at test format. Maybe people are not interested in tear format because there is nothing in for them hence the plans to host more test matches.

If Bangladesh agrees, then great, otherwise hardly financially viable either way. Even in t20 format since the whole point of hosting Bangladesh is to get the ball rolling and make it habit. And Bangladesh is lucky as they are being approached.

Otherwise in terms of financially reasons, Bangladesh never made sense for any teams in their homes never mind Pakistan.

As for conspiracy theoristS, they are there for the reasons. And some nation / some cricket board is not happy that cricket is finally coming back to Pakistan. That is all you need to confirm why there is conspiracy in the first place.

 

[Mesozoic]

The way both the PCB and BCB have handled this situation is the perfect example of "how to mismanage anything 101".

BCB should've just cancelled the whole tour or play the entirety in Pakistan rather than saying "We'll play T20s but not Tests". They have made themselves look quite stupid with that reasoning. Atleast should have said that they'll play access the situation during the T20s and come back again for Tests if they deem it safe.

And PCB must've opted for a more diplomatic route in convincing the BCB to tour. Their bullying and those unnecessary comments from captain and coach have just made things even worse. This might have actually forced the BCB to completely back off for Tests as they may have feared being looked at like bending over to PCB's bullying.

Absolute mess.

 

[Usman Chadda]

This issue is not about cricket abilities. It is on management level.

BCB is not a broke cricket board. It is the 5th richest cricket board in the world with enough sponsors.

They are unlikely to get pushed around by any board outside of Big 3.

You might aswell be the richest board, but your Test team is so laughably bad, this discussion is hilarious in the most cruel way possible. I mean, really )

 

[ahsan17]

As for conspiracy theoristS, they are there for the reasons. And some nation / some cricket board is not happy that cricket is finally coming back to Pakistan. That is all you need to confirm why there is conspiracy in the first place.

You can definitely see this in most of the posts from that country. Some of them have neutral, but most have been finding any non-sense reason they can find for justifying why cricket should not come back to Pakistan. Some have gone further and present a doom and gloom picture, my guess is to beat us into thinking we can never move forward from where we are.

 

[AMSS]

Pakistan might be safe for a quick pit stop with players practically containerized. But on a long-ish tour, this would only lead to cabin fever and literally affect players' mental make up and performance. Can fully empathize with BCB stand.

 

[Abdullah719]

Pakistan might be safe for a quick pit stop with players practically containerized. But on a long-ish tour, this would only lead to cabin fever and literally affect players' mental make up and performance. Can fully empathize with BCB stand.

Would make sense if most of their main players hadn't signed up for PSL in Pakistan which will require them to be in four different cities in Pakistan for over a month.

 

[AMSS]

Would make sense if most of their main players hadn't signed up for PSL in Pakistan which will require them to be in four different cities in Pakistan for over a month.

Not the same at all. Shane Watson can choose to make the trip to Pakistan, or some English players. Doesn't make CA or ECB's decision to not tour Pakistan any less credible. One's players choosing for themselves, the other is a board making decision for the entire team, keeping in mind the bigger, composite picture.

 

[imranyounus]

Bangladesh's Perspective:
1. Once there was a terrorist attack on player, what is the guarantee that such thing will happen again?
2. Our foreign coaches are not happy to go to Pakistan.
3. Players are not comfortable in locking themselves in hotel rooms. They like shopping, having food in different restaurants, none of these are possible in Pakistan. All these are important to keep high morals during matches.
4. Since with Pakistan there always is an option of hosting in UAE, why not?
5. Australia, England, New Zealand did not risk themselves going to Pakistan, why should we?

My opinion:
Bangladesh should definitely be treated as much as Srilanka. Srilanka refused to play Test innitially. Did Pak fans bashed them like the way they are bashing Bangladesh? PCB must persue Bd to play t20s initially and postpone Test for 6 months maybe.[/QUOTE]

No one can guarantee that players will not suffer any mishap. In NZ, B D players were going to pray in mosque and an attack happened. no one can guarantee that players will not face attacks in India, England or SA and same is case in B D. The problem with Pakistan was war on terror next door. That has almost been taken care of now were are not in a war zone. we have passed that extra ordinary time period. hence such argument nonsense and is just for sake of raising concerns nothing else.

On the contrary it is time that all those teams come to Pakistan in gratitude of our sacrifices for them. it was not our war but of entire world.

As far as treating B D same is concerned yes there should be no special treatments but same goes for B D too they should also not demand special treatment. S L Looked at the situation and than agreed to play. B D could do same come for a short tour of T 20 and then decide. But the way they are giving statements openly shows that they have simply no interest in playing in Pakistan and demand special treatment than S L.

 

[MenInG]

Not the same at all. Shane Watson can choose to make the trip to Pakistan, or some English players. Doesn't make CA or ECB's decision to not tour Pakistan any less credible. One's players choosing for themselves, the other is a board making decision for the entire team, keeping in mind the bigger, composite picture.

Shane Watson = 1 man Not Equal to 20 players (good ones) wanting to come to Pakistan.

 

[AMSS]

Shane Watson = 1 man Not Equal to 20 players (good ones) wanting to come to Pakistan.

Shane Watson = Individual choice = 20 Bangladesh players deciding individually for themselves != A board deciding on behalf of the team.

Easy enough equation.

 

[MenInG]

Shane Watson = Individual choice = 20 Bangladesh players deciding individually for themselves != A board deciding on behalf of the team.

Easy enough equation.

The Board says that they asked the players and its not their choice but the players.

 

[Abdullah719]

Not the same at all. Shane Watson can choose to make the trip to Pakistan, or some English players. Doesn't make CA or ECB's decision to not tour Pakistan any less credible. One's players choosing for themselves, the other is a board making decision for the entire team, keeping in mind the bigger, composite picture.

They are saying that the reason for the doubt is that their players don't want to go to Pakistan, or want to go for a short period of time.

 

[ahsan17]

Shane Watson = Individual choice = 20 Bangladesh players deciding individually for themselves != A board deciding on behalf of the team.

Easy enough equation.

Your argument was about players being "lead to cabin fever and literally affect players' mental make up and performance.". Ergo, your post was about the players, not the board. The 20 players willing to play in PSL is directly relevant to that, whether or not board decides not to. You are changing goal posts.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Not the same at all. Shane Watson can choose to make the trip to Pakistan, or some English players. Doesn't make CA or ECB's decision to not tour Pakistan any less credible. One's players choosing for themselves, the other is a board making decision for the entire team, keeping in mind the bigger, composite picture.

Bangladesh is a poor dangerous 3rd world country just like Pakistan. This is all politics.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Shane Watson = Individual choice = 20 Bangladesh players deciding individually for themselves != A board deciding on behalf of the team.

Easy enough equation.

Apparently the players are not willing to travel, a statement this Bangladeshi postman Nazmul is reiterating every other day. Please explain how 20 top players ended up signing up for the PSL draft, knowing fully well they would have to spend a considerable time with 'cabin fever'.

Easy enough question.

 

[ahsan17]

Apparently the players are not willing to travel, a statement this Bangladeshi postman Nazmul is reiterating every other day. Please explain how 20 top players ended up signing up for the PSL draft, knowing fully well they would have to spend a considerable time with 'cabin fever'.

Easy enough question.

The narratives that some of our Indian friends are pushing on this forum are getting more and more ridiculous day by day. Makes me think what narratives they push when they talk in their own echo chambers and are not challenged on them. Some go beyond the narratives you see here, and push the idea that Pakistan will be perpetually stuck hosting cricket in UAE and how Bangladesh is so far ahead of Pakistan.

 

[AMSS]

The Board says that they asked the players and its not their choice but the players.

I am sure players input would have been one part of a variety of other equally important considerations.

Here's from the mouth of BCB president himself

Nazmul Hasan, the Bangladesh Cricket Board president, said that players and coaching staff have expressed their concern over touring in Pakistan, and added that it will be difficult to go ahead with the Test series in 'a suffocating environment' due to the stringent security measures.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-ne...t-touring-pakistan-bcb-president-nazmul-hasan

 

[AMSS]

Bangladesh is a poor dangerous 3rd world country just like Pakistan. This is all politics.

Not according to all the top teams visiting Bangladesh without reservations.

But sure, feel welcome to your opinion.

 

[AMSS]

Apparently the players are not willing to travel, a statement this Bangladeshi postman Nazmul is reiterating every other day. Please explain how 20 top players ended up signing up for the PSL draft, knowing fully well they would have to spend a considerable time with 'cabin fever'.

Easy enough question.

I think I did answer. Read up.

 

[ahsan17]

I am sure players input would have been one part of a variety of other equally important considerations.

Here's from the mouth of BCB president himself



https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-ne...t-touring-pakistan-bcb-president-nazmul-hasan

And we're saying these players are lying, or the BCB president is lying, because the vast majority of were ready to stay in Pakistan.

 

[AMSS]

And we're saying these players are lying, or the BCB president is lying, because the vast majority of were ready to stay in Pakistan.

Neither are lying, if you think about it. It's like Shane Watson who might make a a trip in his individual capacity, but wouldn't consent to tour as part of CA contingent - provided he still were part of the team. It'd be perfectly understandable too.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Cost effective or not. The simple thing is that why should Pakistan host their home series on a neutral venue when Pakistan is safe and all the other Cricket nations (apart from Afghanistan) play their home series at home.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I think I did answer. Read up.

Where?

That part says 'players and coaches have expressed concerns over the 'suffocating environment'. Doesn't make sense for the same players to sign up for a league, fully knowing they'll be spending considerable time under this same 'suffocating environment'.

So, where is the explanation [MENTION=143730]AMSS[/MENTION]? This was just a reiteration of their weak stance, similar to the Bangladeshi postman.

 

[ahsan17]

Neither are lying, if you think about it. It's like Shane Watson who might make a a trip in his individual capacity, but wouldn't consent to tour as part of CA contingent - provided he still were part of the team. It'd be perfectly understandable too.

I am not sure why you're assuming Shane Watson wouldn't tour with the official team, but I assume you are making a hypothetical point here. The fact that the SL team won the T20I series 3-0, and played well in certain days of the test match, basically defeats your point.

 

[Saj]

Relation between PCB and BCB haven't been great for the past few years and hence there was no urgency for good diplomacy from BCB.

Also, PCB is not one of the Big 3 boards. It is why BCB can afford a stalemate.

I agree that BCB hasn't been very transparent and they could've shown more clarity. That was not good.

So because PCB is not in the Big 3, BCB can behave how they want to. Haha great logic.

 

[ahsan17]

So because PCB is not in the Big 3 BCB can behave how they want to. Haha great logic.

I am not sure if you or other admins on PP have contacts in the PCB. But if you do, you should get the following to PCB so they can bring it up against BCB:

"We always believe this (neutral) is never a solution," BCB chief executive Nizamuddin Chowdhury

1. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/no-neutral-venue-for-england-bangladesh
2. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket...-morgan-and-alex-hales-both-refuse-to-tour-b/
3. https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/37331990

The irony...

 

[AMSS]

Where?

That part says 'players and coaches have expressed concerns over the 'suffocating environment'. Doesn't make sense for the same players to sign up for a league, fully knowing they'll be spending considerable time under this same 'suffocating environment'.

So, where is the explanation [MENTION=143730]AMSS[/MENTION]? This was just a reiteration of their weak stance, similar to the Bangladeshi postman.

It only appears weak in your mind that feels insulted and outraged. If you think it over calmly then there would be no problem noting that players making individual decisions for themselves and the board taking opinions of players and deciding on behalf of the team can easily arrive at opposite decision. It's not at all contradictory. Or hypocritical.

 

[Saj]

Apparently the players are not willing to travel, a statement this Bangladeshi postman Nazmul is reiterating every other day. Please explain how 20 top players ended up signing up for the PSL draft, knowing fully well they would have to spend a considerable time with 'cabin fever'.

Easy enough question.

Ah but but but, because relations between BCB and PCB aren't great, then BCB and its players can behave how they want.

 

[AMSS]

I am not sure why you're assuming Shane Watson wouldn't tour with the official team, but I assume you are making a hypothetical point here. The fact that the SL team won the T20I series 3-0, and played well in certain days of the test match, basically defeats your point.

I am assuming that because when every other team *was* touring Pakistan including India, even then Watson, individually or on behalf of CA, did not make a case for visiting your country.

 

[ahsan17]

I am assuming that because when every other team *was* touring Pakistan including India, even then Watson, individually or on behalf of CA, did not make a case for visiting your country.

That was 10+ years ago. Not sure how that is relevant anymore. What about the second point, the fact that SL team won the T20I series 3-0 - how does that gel with your initial statement about cabin fever and players' performance getting effected?

 

[AMSS]

That was 10+ years ago. Not sure how that is relevant anymore. What about the second point, the fact that SL team won the T20I series 3-0 - how does that gel with your initial statement about cabin fever and players' performance getting effected?

It's very relevant. For one, it should tell you that there's no objective assessment of security, it'll always be subjective. One country might deem your country safe and visit, but it does not mean that other countries will follow.

Second, it should tell you that individuals choosing for themselves does not mean that organizations they represent will choose the same way. Nothing contradictory here either.

As for your other point, I covered it in my first post itself. A sharp, short trip is acceptable for a T20 series but long tests tours are simply not feasible in such suffocating situations. SL did it, doesn't mean other will as well.

 

[Saj]

The other point that has perplexed the PCB is the BCB’s choice of Islamabad as one of the two venues along with Rawalpindi. The PCB, in its latest communiqué, has asked for clarification while informing their opposite numbers that there was no ICC-accredited venue in Islamabad.

What

BCB has obviously done its homework lol.

Bit farcical this now and with each passing day the BCB are looking more foolish.

 

[ahsan17]

It's very relevant. For one, it should tell you that there's no objective assessment of security, it'll always be subjective. One country might deem your country safe and visit, but it does not mean that other countries will follow.

I can agree here. The most objective way is to use statistics, which clearly show terrorism at a multi-decade low, and as good or better than when teams used to regularly visit Pakistan. But I agree, that data is not necessarily being considered by everyone.

Second, it should tell you that individuals choosing for themselves does not mean that organizations they represent will choose the same way. Nothing contradictory here either.

I still don't follow this. BCB is saying some players are showing concerns about security. Same players were OK to stay in Pakistan for 3 weeks to play in PSL. The board doesn't come into the picture, unless the board is lying about what the players think.

As for your other point, I covered it in my first post itself. A sharp, short trip is acceptable for a T20 series but long tests tours are simply not feasible in such suffocating situations. SL did it, doesn't mean other will as well.

Couple things. First, PSL would have been longer than the test series. Second, the test series SL played was not suffocating. There are literally videos of them going out in Islamabad and Karachi and hanging out in public.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Not according to all the top teams visiting Bangladesh without reservations.

But sure, feel welcome to your opinion.

Has Bangladesh ever hosted a world cup final? No I didn't think so. What Pakistan has gone through is temporary. It is only a matter of time till all SENA teams come back to tour. We are far too relevant for the sport. BCB will play politics to delay the inevitable.

 

[AMSS]

Has Bangladesh ever hosted a world cup final? No I didn't think so. What Pakistan has gone through is temporary. It is only a matter of time till all SENA teams come back to tour. We are far too relevant for the sport. BCB will play politics to delay the inevitable.

Hopefully Bangladesh will host a WC final one day. And hopefully SENA nations will tour Pakiatan one day. I think we can all agree to these sentiments. Not sure why you thought we had any disagreement on this.

 

[AMSS]

[MENTION=2984]ahsan17[/MENTION] I've already said what I thought over this. We'd only be going in circles and repeating ourselves so checking out till fresh new information comes in.

 

[Ahmed4472]

BCB has obviously done its homework lol.

Bit farcical this now and with each passing day the BCB are looking more foolish.

Probably BCB want to play at Diamond club in Islamabad. That ground is probably better than the pindi stadium currently

 

[adil79]

May be they are against Pakistan and conspiring with India, but the SL team attack report on wikipedia and comments of Simon Taufel how our security convoy despite being attacked, ran away leaving the bus on their own, factors into such decision? There are so many Terrorist organizations here and due to FATF ongoing matter, such things don't sit well with foreigners coming to our country. Credit to Sri Lankan team that they still visited.

//Match referee Chris Broad was also critical of the security provided. He stated that he and his colleagues were left like 'sitting ducks' in the trailing minivan during the attack.[96] He also accused the security personnel of fleeing the scene.[97] He questioned why the Pakistan team which usually travelled with the Sri Lankan team was delayed by seven minutes that day and avoided being attacked.[98] Javed Miandad was critical of Broad's comments and demanded that International Cricket Council ban him for life.[99] Pakistan Cricket Board lodged a formal complaint against Chris Broad with the International Cricket Council on 9 March 2009.[100] Ijaz Butt, the head of Pakistan Cricket Board accused Broad of lying.[101] Umpire Simon Taufel also said that the umpire's minibus was abandoned while the players' bus was moved to the ground to evacuate the players.[102] Criticising the security entourage for abandoning them and inability of the police to arrest the attackers Simon said, "You tell me why no one was caught. You tell me why. Supposedly 25 armed commandos were in our convoy, and when the team bus got going again, we were left on our own."[102]//

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_attack_on_the_Sri_Lanka_national_cricket_team

 

[sweep_shot]

BCB has obviously done its homework lol.

Bit farcical this now and with each passing day the BCB are looking more foolish.

I just checked Cricinfo website. It says that BD are open for T20 games and then come for Test if they are happy.

This is same as what SL did.

Where is the issue here? Do you think any other board would've done anything differently? I bet most boards would've flatly rejected Tests in Pakistan.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Poor attitude by the BCB.

They send their womens team, u16 team and emerging team multiple times. Players like Tamim, Mahmudullah, Mosaddek Hossain and Sabbir Rahman have all toured Pakistan in the last couple of years.

Sri Lanka just completed a Test tour. Players went out for shopping and dinner. Security was foolproof.

Politics is at play here.

 

[Manunited18]

May be they are against Pakistan and conspiring with India, but the SL team attack report on wikipedia and comments of Simon Taufel how our security convoy despite being attacked, ran away leaving the bus on their own, factors into such decision? There are so many Terrorist organizations here and due to FATF ongoing matter, such things don't sit well with foreigners coming to our country. Credit to Sri Lankan team that they still visited.

//Match referee Chris Broad was also critical of the security provided. He stated that he and his colleagues were left like 'sitting ducks' in the trailing minivan during the attack.[96] He also accused the security personnel of fleeing the scene.[97] He questioned why the Pakistan team which usually travelled with the Sri Lankan team was delayed by seven minutes that day and avoided being attacked.[98] Javed Miandad was critical of Broad's comments and demanded that International Cricket Council ban him for life.[99] Pakistan Cricket Board lodged a formal complaint against Chris Broad with the International Cricket Council on 9 March 2009.[100] Ijaz Butt, the head of Pakistan Cricket Board accused Broad of lying.[101] Umpire Simon Taufel also said that the umpire's minibus was abandoned while the players' bus was moved to the ground to evacuate the players.[102] Criticising the security entourage for abandoning them and inability of the police to arrest the attackers Simon said, "You tell me why no one was caught. You tell me why. Supposedly 25 armed commandos were in our convoy, and when the team bus got going again, we were left on our own."[102]//

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_attack_on_the_Sri_Lanka_national_cricket_team

That was 10 years ago, the security situation has improved alot since Raw have been put back in their place, just last week a world leading tourism magazine pointed pakistan as the leading country in the world in 2020 for tourism

 

[cricketjoshila]

Apparently the players are not willing to travel, a statement this Bangladeshi postman Nazmul is reiterating every other day. Please explain how 20 top players ended up signing up for the PSL draft, knowing fully well they would have to spend a considerable time with 'cabin fever'.

Easy enough question.

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

How many of the bd players who signed up fir PSL are regular picks in BD team?

 

[sweep_shot]

The way I see it, if enough players/staffs don't show interest for Test, they should go to neutral venue. If PCB doesn't agree, tour can happen at a later date.

If PCB thinks this is unfair, it can go to ICC. ICC can give the final verdict.

 

[Saj]

I just checked Cricinfo website. It says that BD are open for T20 games and then come for Test if they are happy.

This is same as what SL did.

Where is the issue here? Do you think any other board would've done anything differently? I bet most boards would've flatly rejected Tests in Pakistan.

The issue is the games being played by BCB, the delaying tactics, the excuses, the blaming players by officials, the ignorance, the not believing or accepting the ICC security officials, ignoring the fact that U16 and women's teams have been to Pakistan.

Apart from that, all good.

 

[adil79]

That was 10 years ago, the security situation has improved alot since Raw have been put back in their place, just last week a world leading tourism magazine pointed pakistan as the leading country in the world in 2020 for tourism

It's one thing to have the team under attack and whole another to have security convoy flee the scene which was meant to protect you. Doesn't inspire confidence to be honest. It would have been different & positive for Pakistan had the security convoy fought the militants and defended the players which was their job. I hope Bangladesh come through and take leap of faith on this. But you can understand why the foreign teams are reluctant. Not because it was attacked. But because players were left undefended.

 

[Abdullah719]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

How many of the bd players who signed up fir PSL are regular picks in BD team?

8 of the 12 players who played in the recent T20s against India were amongst those who signed for PSL.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Pakistan toured BD twice and let them have a major chunk of the revenue. No reciprocation.

Personally I would cancel any future tours with BCB and cut the relations. Its a two way street and they are hostile. Meet in a world cup and humiliate. Thats as far as this should go.

 

[Saj]

8 of the 12 players who played in the recent T20s against India were amongst those who signed for PSL.

I think some may have been hoping that number was a lot lower

 

[adil79]

Pakistan toured BD twice and let them have a major chunk of the revenue. No reciprocation.

Personally I would cancel any future tours with BCB and cut the relations. Its a two way street and they are hostile. Meet in a world cup and humiliate. Thats as far as this should go.

And play Zimbawe, SriLanka & Windies only at home?