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Our focus should be SENA teams. England will tour and this will start the ball rolling. SA,OZ and NZ to follow. This will be a distant memory very soon.
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Our focus should be SENA teams. England will tour and this will start the ball rolling. SA,OZ and NZ to follow. This will be a distant memory very soon.
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BD is willing to play T20s.
What about the test players?
Imrul Kayes, Shadman Islam, Mohammad Mithun, Mominul Haque, Mushfiqur Rahim, Mahmudullah, Liton Das, Mehidy Hasan, Taijul Islam, Abu Jayed, Ebadot Hossain, Mosaddek Hossain, Mustafizur Rahman, Nayeem Hasan, Saif Hassan, Al-Amin Hossain
This was the test squad for india tests.
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Clear hypocrisy then.
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Clearly the T20 players may be willing.
Was Mushfiqur in PSL list? And the other test players?
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Imrul, Mithun, Mahmudullah, Liton, Mehidy, Mosaddek, Mustafizur, Saif, Al-Amin - All were signed up for PSL draft. Of the remaining, Nayeem was in Karachi for Emerging Cup last year. That leaves Mushfiqur and a few others.
Absolutely.
Add to that, Pakistan is safe to send an Under 16 team and Women's team, but not your Test team.
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Pakistan played their home series in BD and allowed BCB to take a majority chunk of the revenue as a gesture of goodwill. This BCB board like their political leadership are obnoxious and toxic. I don't understand why the relationship has not been cut yet.
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The Pakistan Cricket Board is mulling over several options in a bid to convince Bangladesh to tour Pakistan for the two-match Test series, according to sources.
A reliable source in the PCB told PTI on Friday that the Bangladesh Board has been asked to send a delegation to Pakistan for talks on the scheduled series.
"The feeling is that the BCB can still be convinced to come and play the Tests in Pakistan despite their stance that they can't have a long duration tour of the country at the moment," the source said.
He said several options will be put before the BCB officials and one of them is to play the matches in Karachi and Rawalpindi. Another option is to split the series with Bangladesh playing one Test in January and the second one later in the year.
"Pakistan is willing to address the BCB's concerns and is also ready to make their stay short but they want the Bangladesh team to play Tests even at the cost of forgoing the white ball series as Pakistan is short on Test matches," he said.
"Pakistan is even willing to provide them presidential level security," he added.
The source said that playing the series at neutral venues was out of question as the PCB strongly felt that with teams now coming to Pakistan, especially Sri Lanka, the BCB must give a feasible reason for not wanting to play the Tests in Pakistan.
He also said that the PCB itself was now feeling the heat as it could end up facing litigations from its broadcaster and sponsors if Bangladesh does not fulfil its commitment as per the ICC calender.
"PCB has contractual obligations with broadcasters and sponsors and the Bangladesh series is part of the contract signed with these people. If the series is not held in Pakistan on time, the PCB could end up facing litigations for loss of revenue," he said.
He said the PCB will not ruled out the option of seeking compensation from the BCB if it faced litigations from its broadcaster and sponsors.
https://www.business-standard.com/a...eries-in-pakistan-sources-119122700637_1.html
A reliable source in the PCB told PTI on Friday that the Bangladesh Board has been asked to send a delegation to Pakistan for talks on the scheduled series.
"The feeling is that the BCB can still be convinced to come and play the Tests in Pakistan despite their stance that they can't have a long duration tour of the country at the moment," the source said.
He said several options will be put before the BCB officials and one of them is to play the matches in Karachi and Rawalpindi. Another option is to split the series with Bangladesh playing one Test in January and the second one later in the year.
"Pakistan is willing to address the BCB's concerns and is also ready to make their stay short but they want the Bangladesh team to play Tests even at the cost of forgoing the white ball series as Pakistan is short on Test matches," he said.
"Pakistan is even willing to provide them presidential level security," he added.
The source said that playing the series at neutral venues was out of question as the PCB strongly felt that with teams now coming to Pakistan, especially Sri Lanka, the BCB must give a feasible reason for not wanting to play the Tests in Pakistan.
He also said that the PCB itself was now feeling the heat as it could end up facing litigations from its broadcaster and sponsors if Bangladesh does not fulfil its commitment as per the ICC calender.
"PCB has contractual obligations with broadcasters and sponsors and the Bangladesh series is part of the contract signed with these people. If the series is not held in Pakistan on time, the PCB could end up facing litigations for loss of revenue," he said.
He said the PCB will not ruled out the option of seeking compensation from the BCB if it faced litigations from its broadcaster and sponsors.
https://www.business-standard.com/a...eries-in-pakistan-sources-119122700637_1.html
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Whats the source for this information?
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I guess Mushfiq and few others plus the coaching staff is reluctant to visit pakistan. While BCB may not mind sending a half baked team for T20s, they dont want to send a weak team for tests,when WTC points are at stake.
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It was on the news when the series happened. Will see if I can dig it out. PCB didn't want to play in UAE so played it in BD instead and BCB insisted on revenue share despite it being a Pakistan home series.
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PCB is in trouble
Broadcasters and sponsors won't be providing any cake if the tour doesn't happen
Broadcasters and sponsors won't be providing any cake if the tour doesn't happen
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West Indies boycotted too and Sri Lanka were given points for both games and they qualified for the quarter finals before even the world cup started. Sri Lanka beating Australia in the WC final was then icing on the cake
Exactly the point I and many others are making.
Anyone with an ounce of objective intelligence can see the truth in this situation.
Thats never gonna happen, mate. Terrorism incidents are still happening in our country. It might take a decade of peace before those countries can come. KP has attacks on police/Frontier Core every other day. Balochistan has the same instability. And some zombie does sneak through to Punjab & Sindh every now and then, killing dozens.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A report quoting a PCB official "If the series is not held in Pakistan on time, the PCB will not rule out the option of seeking compensation from the BCB if it faced litigations from its broadcaster and sponsors" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvBAN?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvBAN</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1210529345573441536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Biggest wrist slitter on PP. If I was new I'd mistake your posts as Mamoons.
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Who said we're going to host matches in Balochistan or in KPK??
We only play in the major cities such as Lahore, Rawalpindi, Karachi etc. where terrorism is very low.
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If it truly is safe then Pakistan should have a similar stance for every team.
Read Ehsan Mani's recent statements.
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So it is safe for the women to tour Pakistan but not senior men as they are more of a target?
I’m sorry, but where is the inclusion and diversity in this? Is there a different threshold for the women’s team?
Either way, BCB are not exactly coming across good in any way. PCB should just step back and see where this goes and take legal action is necessary.
I’m sorry, but where is the inclusion and diversity in this? Is there a different threshold for the women’s team?
Either way, BCB are not exactly coming across good in any way. PCB should just step back and see where this goes and take legal action is necessary.
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I hope the pcb do not hold this series in a neutral venue.
I also hope the bcb do not send their team to Pakistan.
This will save me from watching another boring test series!
I also hope the bcb do not send their team to Pakistan.
This will save me from watching another boring test series!
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Statements will mesn something if SENA countries tour Pakistan.
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Again the threats of a lawsuit?
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There is a thing called being high profile which the extremist groups crave for to get as much attention as possible.
Can you imagine the reaction to a men's team getting attacked?
Men's senior team will always carry a higher profile than the women's or the junior teams. Men's sporting teams around the world are revered as heroes and national icons.
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The only attack that happened was orchestrated by RAW as revenge for Mumbai attack.
There has never been an attack on any travelling sporting team in Pakistans history before or after this event. It was an anomaly sponsored by yours truly.
So SL's national team is a low profile team?
Indians will never admit any wrong doing of their board. Pakistan fans always criticize their board where you will find Indian fans will praise their board for everything
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How many times have sports teams been attacked in Pakistan before and after the
2009 incident??
It was an anomaly.
You do understand what the word "anomaly" means right?
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Any proof of your claims?
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Please read the post I replied to.
The problem with BCB stance is that BCB decided it was safe enough to send their U16 and womens team to Pakistan, but don't think it's safe to send the senior team on a Test tour. But the security situation hasn't changed.
They'll argue that the senior team is a more high profile target - but we've recently hosted the PSL, West Indies and Sri Lanka for limited overs matches, and a Test series for the first time in 10 years. All went off without a hitch.
ICC have signed off the security plans. Independent assessors including Reg Dickason who's very well respected by players and administrators around the world has given thumbs up to our security plans.
I understand there may be some reluctance and PTSD stemming from the Christchurch incident, but the players will have far more stringent security attached to them.
They'll argue that the senior team is a more high profile target - but we've recently hosted the PSL, West Indies and Sri Lanka for limited overs matches, and a Test series for the first time in 10 years. All went off without a hitch.
ICC have signed off the security plans. Independent assessors including Reg Dickason who's very well respected by players and administrators around the world has given thumbs up to our security plans.
I understand there may be some reluctance and PTSD stemming from the Christchurch incident, but the players will have far more stringent security attached to them.
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BCB are a joke
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Yea, RAW also made sure the security cover would run for their lives and leave the players and the match officials for sitting ducks (in Chris Broad's words).
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I thought it was laskar e jhanvi.
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It is contradictory. I believe it's you who needs to stay calm and try to use that upper compartment of yours for good reason. Bangladesh cricket team is made up of the same players who put forth their names to play a month long bonanza in the PSL. These same players are now thinking about the 'suffocating environment' and refusing to tour? So if they're playing for Lahore Qalandars, the players feel they are safe. If they are touring under the umbrella of the Bangladesh cricket team, they are not safe.It only appears weak in your mind that feels insulted and outraged. If you think it over calmly then there would be no problem noting that players making individual decisions for themselves and the board taking opinions of players and deciding on behalf of the team can easily arrive at opposite decision. It's not at all contradictory. Or hypocritical.
Can anyone else make sense of this guys?
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Pathetic attitude from BCB. This idiot Nazmul Hasan can't even get his facts straight
and BD try to compare themselves to India/Pakistan/Sri Lanka, what a joke.
At this point, just cancel the entire series.
and BD try to compare themselves to India/Pakistan/Sri Lanka, what a joke.At this point, just cancel the entire series.
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Why does that matter? Someone who's under attack, doesn't care about the nationality is attacking them. They can still die or be injured whether the attacker is a national of that country or not. Point is, bad events in isolation happen all over the world.
What would you have said if the BD team got caught in the crossfire in NZ earlier this year? That was done by a person living in NZ, would NZ then be unsafe for cricket?
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If Bangladeshi people really think this tour is more high profile than PSL, World XI tour, WI T20s, SL ODIs/T20s, SL tests, then they are highly delusional.
As opposed to 0 incidents in UAE.
This will be way off topic, but targeting the SL nationals were plan of the terrorists who attacked them. Bad events may happen in isolation in UAE, or Saudi Arabia but not here as Pakistan is literally fighting the war for it's survival. The incident in NZ if they had targeted Bangladeshi Cricket/Sports team, I am sure foreign players would have the same opinion about them. Here, starting from Daniel Pearl, to Chinese Nationals/Engineers, to Foreign Journalists, people are targeted for attention. Local terrorists want the biggest headline in the world, so, this provides them opportunity.
I think UAE is perfectly safe place to play our test series with other nations, while T20s for short time can be played in our country. Even when matches happen in our country like T20, have you seen the traffic situation? Whole access is banned to that ground from all corners. Now, tell me, does that happen in any other place? People come and go freely. Thats what foreign players feel too. Like, they will have limited movement and not shop or roam around without having a curfew like situation for people in the surrounding. UAE is lot better for sports
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You're delusional, when was the last time a terrorist attack happened in Karachi or Rawalpindi? All data shows Pakistan is safe for cricket. ICC think Pakistan is safe for cricket, WICB thought the same, SL thought the same, so many foreign players who played PSL thought the same, your long paragraphs won't change that.
Gawadar was safe before 2019, but still part of Pakistan. So, in 2019, terrorists targeted the high class hotel there and killed people. Terrorism doesn't follow a sequence. Anything can happen in a country where already such things are happening. It's about perception. We are seeing things of our country as we live here. Try understanding what foreigners would think. I am happy that SL played test cricket here despite all the concerns and also Windies did so, and the players who participate in PSL. But those who have issue coming here, we should consider where they are coming from. Sometimes their families hold them back.
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Which war is that? Yes there were few internal issues which have been resolved for some years now. Pak is as safe is it gets and its high time world cricket also realizes that and stops making excuses which they cant back with anything solid.
Srl had their issues while SA was facing its, India faced and is still facing certain issues but those things dont mean that even when they are completely cleared the same excuse can be used again and again. Pak is safe and a good destination for cricket, world cricket needs to embrace the fact and move on.
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There are more people killed in US every year with gunshots than any terrorism in sub continent. There were blasts in Eng, shooting in NZ, blasts in Srl had issues of terrorism before as well, India has also faced number of attacks and blasts in the last two decades, still there are protests and activist moments going at a large scale, foreign artists were mistreated by extremists etc.
Point being its all about perception and its high time is it is cleared. Many different sporting events happened in Pak over the last few years and number of athletes and artists have come in. Politics in cricket needs to end.
Once peace flourishes, I am sure teams would get more confidence and visit our country. Even Australia will who have made excuses since 1998 to play here, but the country still need more peace & time. SL got rid of Tamil Tigers. And now everything is fine. Granted there were attacks on Church recently, but that was what? Once this decade? Had there been series of bombings, or fire/miscreant activities every now and then, may be teams would stop visiting that country too
This guy is a bigger joke than any of PCB's chiefs, and that includes Ijaz Butt. Didn't he recently complain to a BD player for not picking up his calls? )
Anyway, the pushback from BD is certainly driven by political motives instead of ground realities. This will come down to how ICC deals with this.
)Anyway, the pushback from BD is certainly driven by political motives instead of ground realities. This will come down to how ICC deals with this.
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Gwadar is in Balochistan and the last time I checked Balochistan was infested with the BLA (terrorists).
So how was Gwadar safe before 2019?
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Pathetic attitude from BCB. This idiot Nazmul Hasan can't even get his facts straight
At this point, just cancel the entire series.
I don't think he's portraying a very good image of BCB. I wonder what his colleagues, the players and ICC is thinking of his daily drama.
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Who the hell cares what is happening in Gwadar? Are we going to schedule games there? Absolutely not, they don't even have a stadium there. Talk about clutching at straws.
No, we should not accommodate irrational fears.
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What are bangladesh trying to prove here? The nerve of these guys lol.
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I don’t understand that all.
Blood is blood, whether you are a woman or man. God forbid, if anything happens to any sporting team in any other country, the media will give the same attention, the law will give the same verdict/sanctions.
I think you are still living in 2009 or something, to be honest. Check out the latest data:
https://www.satp.org/datasheet-terrorist-attack/fatalities/pakistan
Terrorism is at a multi-decade low. Pakistan is quite literally safer than when teams used to regularly visit Pakistan.
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Think this is a clear power struggle between BCB and PCB.
Last time PCB refused to host the Bangladesh Test series in UAE because the PCB deemed that it would not be financially viable. An obvious hit to the BCB ego.
This time BCB will be hoping that if Bang refuse to tour Pakistan on safety concerns - despite their junior, women and T20 team touring - and if the PCB again refuse to host BCB in UAE then Bangladesh has a chance of maybe scoring some default points in the World Test Championship.
If the games end up getting cancelled because BCB refuses to send their Test team to Pakistan and PCB refused to host the Test matches in UAE who gets the points for the WTC?
Last time PCB refused to host the Bangladesh Test series in UAE because the PCB deemed that it would not be financially viable. An obvious hit to the BCB ego.
This time BCB will be hoping that if Bang refuse to tour Pakistan on safety concerns - despite their junior, women and T20 team touring - and if the PCB again refuse to host BCB in UAE then Bangladesh has a chance of maybe scoring some default points in the World Test Championship.
If the games end up getting cancelled because BCB refuses to send their Test team to Pakistan and PCB refused to host the Test matches in UAE who gets the points for the WTC?
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Forget the points, I am more sad about Babar missing out on some free hundreds
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And Shaheen, Abbas and Naseem getting a bucket load of wickets.
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It's all on the ICC.
If the ICC says that the matches will be hosted in Pakistan but Bangladesh still refuse then Pakistan will get the points.
If they concude that the matches will be played in the UAE then Pakistan will have to host it there. Pakistan is not dumb enough to lose out on points
Yes totally agree with that. Moreover 6 months or so gap for red-ball cricket is detrimental for his growth.
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icc will do nothing rather it will wait and see how things are going.
An important point was raised by Rashid Latif on his show that the points can't be awarded before Mach 2021. The reason given was boards should negotiate till that time to play those matches. If still those matches are not played then probably ICC can intervene.
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I agree with your post fully.
I personally don't think BCB and PCB will reach an agreement. It will remain a stalemate.
I think ICC will eventually give a verdict and both boards will have to follow that verdict.
Let's see what happens.
Pakistan can arrange matches in UAE and help it’s players gets hundreds and bucketload of wickets. It’s not that difficult.
In any case what’s the use of getting WTC points. It’s not that Pak or Afg has any chance of reaching finals irrespective of who gets points. There’s no monetary award for coming 5th or 8th.
These test matches are always bilateral in nature and WTC does not change it’s structure. BD will happily lose some stupid points than risk its cricketing stars. Even though SL team was attacked, Bangla team is most (after India of course) at risk of getting targeted by Terrorists due to 1971 history and anger ( shown even by some Pak posters here). BCB will probably try its best to visit Pak but risk perception is real.
Secondly, it has nothing to do with how good or bad BD cricket team is vs Pakistan. Bangla cricketers are huge stars in their own country and if anything happens to them, Bangla citizens won’t forgive BCB admin or Government or Pakistan. Sri Lankan’s may have forgotten the attack for whatever reason but Bengalis won’t.
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You are unable to understand the issue.
Of course, no one will "Forgive" an attack - Bangladeshi, Syrian or Martian.
The point is that Pakistan is safe for international cricket as shown by various security team assessments and by visit of Sri Lanka.
Understand that point and move on.
It has nothing to do with how safe or not Pakistan is. Probably England (hub of terrorists from world over) or SL or India are equally unsafe as Pakistan. it’s to do with the perception! One can’t just wish away the perception by making big statements. Pakistan is doing the right thing by inviting teams for short visits and proving that it’s safer. But perception change will take time. No use getting frustrated about it.
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Lol so the worth of these Bengalis turned out to be even less than the West Indies.
The whole point of hosting home series at home is to show that it is now safe to host and play. Therefore no longer in need of UAE as substitute for home series which is costly.
Unless BCB is willing to foot million dollars buck for the home series in UAE, otherwise there is no point.
If you don’t wanna play in Pakistan, then don’t. It is not like Bangladesh has lined up for test series or any team that is eager to host Bangladesh since no team has shown interest in hosting Bangladesh due to following reasons which security reason is not one of them. All the best....
I know, right?
PCB has changed its policy in the last few weeks. They've made it clear they will host all their games in Pakistan, and will even push the SENA teams to visit Pakistan. Whether they succeed remains to be seen. But, if they host any games in UAE, that would compromise PCB's position. They are more likely to not play the series at all than play it somewhere else.
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Make BCB pay for the loss of revenue by hosting in UAE plus 10%
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We are not getting frustrated. We are trying to change the perception, else no point discussing all this.
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Bangladesh and Afghanistan will not tour Pakistan in coming years unless there is a major political change in both countries. It is good that PCB has finally decided to take a firm stance on this and I am sure they will apply the same rules on SENA teams as well. Message has to be clear; play in Pakistan or not play at all.
You do realize that it is them getting frustrated and can’t admit being stubbornness as ever. Like Indians, they are getting desperate days by days.
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Then the pcb will go bankrupt!
No one except SL and Zimbabwe are going to play tests in Pakistan, at the moment.
WI may come for a short white ball tour of a week, but not for a much longer white ball tour.
If mickey was still in charge, i could see SA being convinced by mickey to tour, but that seems unlikely now, we will see if SA tour later next year.
The fact is shutting down.a large part of a city and having layers of security of a presidential level and then virtually locking the touring team in a hotel when not at the ground, does not make anyone from abroad, feel like they are in a safe environment.
I have only seen people online (primarily Indians who of course mean well for us, but few others as well) mention this. Meantime what you hear from security experts and players is that they actually want this.
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That's fair.
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One of the threads on here had the bcb official say that some of the players were complaining of staying for longer than a week in Pakistan due to being confined to the hotel.
Another thread had the SL chief complaining about being locked up in the hotel.
Yes if a touring side come to Pakistan, then they would want this level of security due to the current climate in Pakistan. However, most teams would ideally like a 'normal' environment to tour in, with 'normal'security. They would like to go to restaurants and shopping malls and bazaars etc. The SL team did go to a shopping mall but i expect they were escorted by a heavy security prescence.
Furthermore, my cousins own shops in the shopping precinct close to gadaffi stadium and are forced to close their shops when an international or psl game.is on, costing them losses in lakhs of rupees, with no compensation!
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The ICC will never make such a decision, due to the fact that God forbid, something bad were to ocur, the ICC would get sued to a point of becoming bankrupt.
ICC will leave it to the two boards to decide.
As far as test championship points, it doesnt matter, india and australia are almost certain to qualify for the final, so this is a pointless exercise(pun intended).
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