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"I expect Pakistan board will arrange neutral venue for us as they did for WI" : BCB's Nazmul Hassan

What prestige?!?!:)):)) Do you even know what prestige means?

This whole post is you living in a fantasy land. Snap back to reality please.
It is comical to me how Indians in general hype up BD in all facets, not just cricket. Few years of growth and now BD is on another tier, and is so far ahead of Pakistan. These guys make Pakistan appear like Afghanistan and BD like Turkey something.
 
So Pak was a powerhouse in 90s, BD was begging BCCI. Ok. Why wallow in the past. Only losers do that.

The reality today is that PCB is begging India to play matches with it, even going to some silly court to force India to play; once refused even to be part of WTC unless India agreed to play tests with Pak; while BCB is an independent board with money and prestige.

If we go sufficiently in the past, any one can prove anything.

The sobering fact is that while PCB was a sort of minor powerhouse in the past, it’s future is dim unless BCCI rescues it which won’t happen in near future at least; while BCB, an emerging poor board in 90s, will become more rich and powerful; with or without BCCI.
You have only beaten West Indies, Zimbabwe and Afghanistan In your history. Does that count as prestige?
 
So Pak was a powerhouse in 90s, BD was begging BCCI. Ok. Why wallow in the past. Only losers do that.

The reality today is that PCB is begging India to play matches with it, even going to some silly court to force India to play; once refused even to be part of WTC unless India agreed to play tests with Pak; while BCB is an independent board with money and prestige.

If we go sufficiently in the past, any one can prove anything.

The sobering fact is that while PCB was a sort of minor powerhouse in the past, it’s future is dim unless BCCI rescues it which won’t happen in near future at least; while BCB, an emerging poor board in 90s, will become more rich and powerful; with or without BCCI.

Pakistan was powerhouse because Pakistan was hosting the series at home. And that is the exactly why Pakistan is trying to bring the cricket to Pakistan so Pakistan can get back on the map like the old times. It is just matter of time, In Sha ALLAH.

As for begging, Indian medias may say many things but in reality, it is India that begs for match with Pakistan in every ICC matches and had no problems hosting Pakistan at India. India draws the line only if Pakistan hosts or benefit from the profits. India cricket board has been beggar since 80s and even stole the portions of profits from the joined world cups with Pakistan. To the extent, India cricket board goes out of its way to beg ICC to play Pakistan in ICC so they can claim the bigger portions and even at the expense of profits that belongs to Pakistan as well. To the extent, that one match is equivalent of the whole tournament in terms of revenue for profits which goes on to show that Indian cricket is hypocrite as Bangladesh cricket board.

Pakistan was powerhouse in 90/ without India and even now, Pakistan cricket is still in stable position despite of isolation tactical and hosting home series at expensive venues like UAE.

Bangladesh still need India even for hosting home series at home. Without Indian sponsors, Bangladesh is not fit to host home series even at home.

Your concerned should be directed at Bangladesh, not Pakistan.
 
BCB is unlikely to give an inch. Nazmul is a tough nut to crack and PCB is not influential enough to make BCB do anything.

It is likely that stalemate will go on for a few months and possibly beyond. I also think that ICC may force Pakistan to host in neutral venue and even give 120 points to Bangladesh if they don't comply.

Let's see what happens.
 
BCB is unlikely to give an inch. Nazmul is a tough nut to crack and PCB is not influential enough to make BCB do anything.

It is likely that stalemate will go on for a few months and possibly beyond. I also think that ICC may force Pakistan to host in neutral venue and even give 120 points to Bangladesh if they don't comply.

Let's see what happens.

If we follow ICC’s history on rewarding points on a
security situation where ICC have declared it as a safe place, points would be given to Pakistan.

In 1996, ICC deemed it safe to hold a few world cup matches in Sri Lanka; West Indies and Australia refused to go and the points were awarded to Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka qualified for the quarterfinals even before a ball was bowled in that world cup.

In 2003, New Zealand refused to go to Kenya because of security concerns and England didn’t go to Zimbabwe due to political reasons. Guess which teams were awarded the points? Heck one of the teams you just guessed made it to semi-finals on basis of those two precious points.

Now all the ICC officials who attended the Sri Lanka series were decided by ICC and obviously ICC had deemed it safe to play cricket in Pakistan. Only then they allowed the officials to come. Did I mention ICC too many times? Lol

West Indies, Australia, New Zealand and England were not spared in past events. Can’t say what would have been ICC’s decision if today’s India was the visiting team but Bangladesh seriously?

Nazmul with all his zigzag statements is trying to negotiate something in return but eventually he will oblige. The player’s refusal was never there to begin with as they were ready to come to Pakistan for longer duration PSL.
 
Pakistan was powerhouse because Pakistan was hosting the series at home. And that is the exactly why Pakistan is trying to bring the cricket to Pakistan so Pakistan can get back on the map like the old times. It is just matter of time, In Sha ALLAH.

As for begging, Indian medias may say many things but in reality, it is India that begs for match with Pakistan in every ICC matches and had no problems hosting Pakistan at India. India draws the line only if Pakistan hosts or benefit from the profits. India cricket board has been beggar since 80s and even stole the portions of profits from the joined world cups with Pakistan. To the extent, India cricket board goes out of its way to beg ICC to play Pakistan in ICC so they can claim the bigger portions and even at the expense of profits that belongs to Pakistan as well. To the extent, that one match is equivalent of the whole tournament in terms of revenue for profits which goes on to show that Indian cricket is hypocrite as Bangladesh cricket board.

Pakistan was powerhouse in 90/ without India and even now, Pakistan cricket is still in stable position despite of isolation tactical and hosting home series at expensive venues like UAE.

Bangladesh still need India even for hosting home series at home. Without Indian sponsors, Bangladesh is not fit to host home series even at home.

Your concerned should be directed at Bangladesh, not Pakistan.

Begging every 4 years to host a Pakistan India match. How funny we always end up in the same group every 4 years. They take take take from us but can't even give us a home series then convince BCB to do the same. This level of hatred towards Pakistan makes me sick and its time we called them out for it. I always said Pakistan should forfeit the India WC match as a protest to teach them a lesson. Your gravy train every 4 years must end without reciprocation.
 
If we follow ICC’s history on rewarding points on a
security situation where ICC have declared it as a safe place, points would be given to Pakistan.

In 1996, ICC deemed it safe to hold a few world cup matches in Sri Lanka; West Indies and Australia refused to go and the points were awarded to Sri Lanka. Sri Lanka qualified for the quarterfinals even before a ball was bowled in that world cup.

In 2003, New Zealand refused to go to Kenya because of security concerns and England didn’t go to Zimbabwe due to political reasons. Guess which teams were awarded the points? Heck one of the teams you just guessed made it to semi-finals on basis of those two precious points.

Now all the ICC officials who attended the Sri Lanka series were decided by ICC and obviously ICC had deemed it safe to play cricket in Pakistan. Only then they allowed the officials to come. Did I mention ICC too many times? Lol

West Indies, Australia, New Zealand and England were not spared in past events. Can’t say what would have been ICC’s decision if today’s India was the visiting team but Bangladesh seriously?

Nazmul with all his zigzag statements is trying to negotiate something in return but eventually he will oblige. The player’s refusal was never there to begin with as they were ready to come to Pakistan for longer duration PSL.

ICC deducted points before but those were during the World Cup events. World cricket was different back then.

ICC has never forced any team to tour Pakistan for Test. Not sure why this should change.

I highly doubt ICC will force BD to go there but let's see what happens.
 
ICC deducted points before but those were during the World Cup events. World cricket was different back then.

ICC has never forced any team to tour Pakistan for Test. Not sure why this should change.

I highly doubt ICC will force BD to go there but let's see what happens.

New Zealand, England, Australia, West Indies, neither were forced to go to Sri Lanka, Kenya or Zimbabwe, but they still forfeited the games.

Nobody is forcing BD to come to Pakistan, but if you're not coming, you have to forfeit the games, which means 120 points are ours.
 
New Zealand, England, Australia, West Indies, neither were forced to go to Sri Lanka, Kenya or Zimbabwe, but they still forfeited the games.

Nobody is forcing BD to come to Pakistan, but if you're not coming, you have to forfeit the games, which means 120 points are ours.

Let's see what happens. Those cases were way different.

We can come back to this thread once this drama is over. One of the boards will likely be humbled (either BCB or PCB).
 
PCB will ONLY make money when India tours Pak or other way around. From money perspective; PCB will bleed whether matches happen in Pakistan or Dubai in India’s absence.

Only money PCB makes is that a share of ICC funds, looted from India. No one visits to see test matches in Pak. PCB Income is more or less same as it’s ICC quota. TV revenue remains same in or out of Pak. Security cost is high in Pak but is probably subsidised by Pak Army so does not hit PCB balance sheet.

More Modi inspired delusions from you. PCB us doing just fine without India. And will do even better once we start playing in Pak. I know this bothers you a lot but learn to live with it. Let me repeat, PCB is doing just fine and BCCI can go stuff itself. 😄
 
ICC deducted points before but those were during the World Cup events. World cricket was different back then.

ICC has never forced any team to tour Pakistan for Test. Not sure why this should change.

I highly doubt ICC will force BD to go there but let's see what happens.

Do you know why ICC has never ruled on bilateral tours before? Because there never was any official test championship before. Heck all this needless debate about the points we are doing is for the championship which has a final too. So buddy as a part of an ICC event, the inevitable will happen if the need arises.
 
New Zealand, England, Australia, West Indies, neither were forced to go to Sri Lanka, Kenya or Zimbabwe, but they still forfeited the games.

Nobody is forcing BD to come to Pakistan, but if you're not coming, you have to forfeit the games, which means 120 points are ours.

All I want to see is Babar bat and get more red ball practice before the England tour. If BD don’t come call Ireland/Zimbabwe whoever is free and get him going.
 
More Modi inspired delusions from you. PCB us doing just fine without India. And will do even better once we start playing in Pak. I know this bothers you a lot but learn to live with it. Let me repeat, PCB is doing just fine and BCCI can go stuff itself. 😄

Lol India last toured us in 2006 and almost a decade and half since that. We have won more ICC events after that tour. Before that it was only the 92 wc. So I think we are doing more than fine.
 
Let's see what happens. Those cases were way different.

We can come back to this thread once this drama is over. One of the boards will likely be humbled (either BCB or PCB).

Hopefully some middle ground is reached and I’m pretty positive about that. Honestly as [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] suggested a return tour would be great if time and weather permit. Both the nations are truly cricket deprived these days. If the weather permits in BD, during IPL time this return tour can materialize.
 
Hopefully some middle ground is reached and I’m pretty positive about that. Honestly as [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] suggested a return tour would be great if time and weather permit. Both the nations are truly cricket deprived these days. If the weather permits in BD, during IPL time this return tour can materialize.

Absolutely!

Reaching a deal would be great for both boards. Also, return tour would be amazing.

Don't get me wrong. I am not anti-Pakistani or anything. My best friend is a Pakistani and I have many Pakistani friends. The reason why I was slightly agitated was because PCB was being harsh with BCB compared to other boards. I hope they would reach a deal so that we can end this drama and move on to playing cricket.

Have a great day.
 
Mind explaining what's so different?

You mentioned SL, Zimbabwe, and Kenya.

Kenya and Zimbabwe weren't perceived as dangerous. Aussies toured Kenya in 2002 (PSO cup or something) if I remember correctly. Also, ICC Champions Trophy was in Kenya back in 2000. So, teams were not 100% avoiding Kenya; only NZ did (I think).

Zimbabwe was never dangerous. Teams were not coming due to Robert Mugabe. There was no terrorism there.

Regarding SL, that was in 1996. World was different back then. Things were different. You can't compare that period with present period.

With Pakistan, almost nobody toured because you guys had constant terror attacks for many years. Just 5 years ago, you guys had a massive terrorist attack (Peshawar school massacre). The truth is, people are still nervous and the fear hasn't gone away.

I hope cricket will return to Pakistan but I think you guys are rushing a bit. It needs to be done slowly. Just my two cents.
 
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ICC deducted points before but those were during the World Cup events. World cricket was different back then.

ICC has never forced any team to tour Pakistan for Test. Not sure why this should change.

I highly doubt ICC will force BD to go there but let's see what happens.
ICC cannot force Pakistan to host this series at a neutral venue, or force them to do anything I'm afraid. This is way beyond wishful thinking for you. With all due respect, Bangladesh is not important enough for ICC to take on a Test member like Pakistan.
 
ICC cannot force Pakistan to host this series at a neutral venue, or force them to do anything I'm afraid. This is way beyond wishful thinking for you. With all due respect, Bangladesh is not important enough for ICC to take on a Test member like Pakistan.

Cool story.

Anyway. We are going in circles. I hope a deal will happen. If not, things will likely remain stubborn and it will probably not be easy for PCB. We are unlikely to give an inch if a deal doesn't happen.
 
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It is comical to me how Indians in general hype up BD in all facets, not just cricket. Few years of growth and now BD is on another tier, and is so far ahead of Pakistan. These guys make Pakistan appear like Afghanistan and BD like Turkey something.

That’s because you are still living in 90s ‘powerhouse’ days while we are seeing the future. And yes if the current trend continues, Pak will indeed be Afg and BD will be Turkey. Or probably Turkey will be BD.

Right now India plays probably 1-2 matches a year against Pak in ICC tournaments, coz it’s forced to for revenue by ICC. If India cared for india-Pak series money; it would have called PCB every 6 months like SL comes to India. If even 1-2 ICC-forced matches a year is termed by you as India begging you for it, imagine what you will do when India starts inviting Pakistan for matches.

The fact is that India cricket has improved since it has stopped playing Pakistan with better ranking; fewer controversies and illegal betting crimes, Pakistan is begging BCB and Zimbabwe and it’s gun players are strutting their stuff in unnamed minor leagues in Ottawa, Nepal and China towns.
 
That’s because you are still living in 90s ‘powerhouse’ days while we are seeing the future. And yes if the current trend continues, Pak will indeed be Afg and BD will be Turkey. Or probably Turkey will be BD.

More like you are living in a delusional fantasy world and we're living in the real world.

Right now India plays probably 1-2 matches a year against Pak in ICC tournaments, coz it’s forced to for revenue by ICC. If India cared for india-Pak series money; it would have called PCB every 6 months like SL comes to India. If even 1-2 ICC-forced matches a year is termed by you as India begging you for it, imagine what you will do when India starts inviting Pakistan for matches.

How is this related to BD being a powerhouse like you suggest?

The fact is that India cricket has improved since it has stopped playing Pakistan with better ranking; fewer controversies and illegal betting crimes, Pakistan is begging BCB and Zimbabwe and it’s gun players are strutting their stuff in unnamed minor leagues in Ottawa, Nepal and China towns.

So you think Indian cricket improving is due to India not playing Pakistan? That's what your post seems to be suggesting, please make it clear.

So in your opinion, asking teams to play in one's own country is called begging. By that logic, who isn't begging?

And Pakistan's gun players are playing in minor leagues? This reminds of Indians mentioning 1-2 Pakistani players who failed internationally and dropped out, and using that to suggest Pakistan's main players were playing in these minor leagues. A big LOL. Pakistan's major players only play in PSL, CPL, BPL and BBL.
 
Pakistan cricket as a product is a market waiting to be brought to life. What we saw recently was a glimpse of its potential. Once matches happen in Pakistan, the earning potential will be realized and UAE will be a distant memory.

Home series for Pakistan is not about pleasing BCB, its about themselves - just like it would be for any other country.

And all this business about PCB getting India's share, please keep for your BJP colleagues, for Pakistan this is what is rightly ours.

I agree that PCB needs home series for itself and its domestic fans. There’s no reason why a country should be playing its home series abroad. As a cricket fan, I would live to see Pak cricket to be strong again and India playing in Pak and vice versa.
 
ICC cannot force Pakistan to host this series at a neutral venue, or force them to do anything I'm afraid. This is way beyond wishful thinking for you. With all due respect, Bangladesh is not important enough for ICC to take on a Test member like Pakistan.

Lol.

Once it reaches ICC, it will not be about BCB alone.

Any member who is supposed to tour pakistan but doesn't want to visit pakistan will likely support BCBs right to play on a neutral venue. Else tommorow PCB may demand they too visit pakistan.

ICC cannot be seen making one rule for bcb and another for others.

Then there will be boards which are friendly with BCB and will back BCB.
 
New Zealand, England, Australia, West Indies, neither were forced to go to Sri Lanka, Kenya or Zimbabwe, but they still forfeited the games.

Nobody is forcing BD to come to Pakistan, but if you're not coming, you have to forfeit the games, which means 120 points are ours.

In case of SL and ZIM, majority of countries were willing to go to SL and ZIM to play the matches, only couple of teams refused. Here it is the opposite.

So either ICC will have to ask all boards to go and tour pakistan or forfeit points or give all boardd the option of neutral venues.

Unless pakistan has majority in the ICC boardroom, i doubt they will get BCB to forfeit points.

Secondly if BCB doesn't get govt clearances then there is nothing ICC can do.
 
Lol.

Once it reaches ICC, it will not be about BCB alone.

Any member who is supposed to tour pakistan but doesn't want to visit pakistan will likely support BCBs right to play on a neutral venue. Else tommorow PCB may demand they too visit pakistan.

ICC cannot be seen making one rule for bcb and another for others.

Then there will be boards which are friendly with BCB and will back BCB.
Lol.

ICC cannot force Pakistan to host even a T5 at a neutral venue. Members can support BCB all they want, but unless the PCB WANTS to host their series in the UAE or neutral venue, nothing is happening pal.

I have already ICC getting involved will make things even more ugly. And unfortunately for BCB, PCB will definitely consider hosting other countries at a neutral venue but not BCB. That's just the way the world works.

People don't understand that the common man in Pakistan doesn't care about playing against Bangladesh. While Bangladesh might rope in viewership, the Pakistan viewership will nosedive regardless. The only possible way to keep this series relevant in the eyes of the common man is to have the novelty factor of playing in Pakistan. I personally won't watch either, will catch the highlights.
 
ICC cannot force Pakistan to host at a neutral venue but can they make BD forfeit WTC points? I doubt it.
 
Apparently and thankfully, foreign minister Shah Mehmood addressee this today and said that bangladesh is succumbing to petty politics due to pressure from India.
 
PCB should not too much worry about the point. With this team we cannot go over 5 so even if ICC award BD 120 points we should not make too fuss about it. It’s not the points but BCB will miss the test match
 
BCB seems to be still peeved about PCB's decision to cancel tour in 2017 - this appears to stem from that, otherwise it just doesn't make any sense for BCB to cancel tour after their women/junior teams have already played in Pakistan.
 
I dont know why both boards are playing petty politics over this issue, PCB is in no position to demand something from BCB at the moment. BCB is not a superpower board either, they know PCB is helpless atm so they are just playing around with them. PCB should just play a T20 Series with them and play a Test series later like they did with Srilanka. All sub-continent boards have same mentality :)
 
It is likely that stalemate will go on for a few months and possibly beyond. I also think that ICC may force Pakistan to host in neutral venue and even give 120 points to Bangladesh if they don't comply.

Let's see what happens.

Unless ICC is going to pay for a neutral venue they cant force anybody to lift the heavy expenses of a neutral venue by blackmailing them with 120 points of test championship.
 
BCB is BCCI,s sidekick but not really a BCCI. At end of the day they are minnows in test and should behave like one . All they trying to do ( unsuccessfully) is to spoil whatever positive PCB gained after SL tests .
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">26 December - BCB President Nazmul Hasan "Many of the coaching staff has already informed us that they don’t want to go to Pakistan"<br><br>1 January - Bangladesh Head Coach Russell Domingo "If the team is given clearance to go, then I will go to Pakistan"<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvBAN?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvBAN</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1212099322231369729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
BCB is BCCI,s sidekick but not really a BCCI. At end of the day they are minnows in test and should behave like one . All they trying to do ( unsuccessfully) is to spoil whatever positive PCB gained after SL tests .

Isn't that theory debunked by multiple posters on PP?

I think PCB and BCB are wasting time. They are in a stalemate. A third party will need to be involved.
 
Pakistan and Bangladesh cricket series in Pakistan might get an interesting development in one or two days as the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is looking into different proposals regarding the tour.

According to sources, the PCB’s utmost priority is to host Bangladesh for the Test matches. “Twenty20 matches can be played at any time, we want to play a test,” PCB source.

Sources have also revealed that PCB is considering to host Three T20s and One Test and the remaining one Test will be included in a Test series in Bangladesh.

According to schedule, Bangladesh are scheduled to tour Pakistan later in January where they have to play three T20I and two Test.

Yesterday, Bangladesh head coach Russell Domingo said that he has no problem in touring Pakistan if the team gets security clearance


https://arysports.tv/pakistan-bangladesh-series-likely-to-get-breakthrough-in-coming-days/
 
Pakistan and Bangladesh cricket series in Pakistan might get an interesting development in one or two days as the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is looking into different proposals regarding the tour.

According to sources, the PCB’s utmost priority is to host Bangladesh for the Test matches. “Twenty20 matches can be played at any time, we want to play a test,” PCB source.

Sources have also revealed that PCB is considering to host Three T20s and One Test and the remaining one Test will be included in a Test series in Bangladesh.

According to schedule, Bangladesh are scheduled to tour Pakistan later in January where they have to play three T20I and two Test.

Yesterday, Bangladesh head coach Russell Domingo said that he has no problem in touring Pakistan if the team gets security clearance


https://arysports.tv/pakistan-bangladesh-series-likely-to-get-breakthrough-in-coming-days/

So all tall talks now bending under pressure again. What next? Play 3 T20 in Pakistan and tests in neutral venue. PCB needs people with strong personality. Both Mani and Wasim are lack of it.
 
Pakistan and Bangladesh cricket series in Pakistan might get an interesting development in one or two days as the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is looking into different proposals regarding the tour.

According to sources, the PCB’s utmost priority is to host Bangladesh for the Test matches. “Twenty20 matches can be played at any time, we want to play a test,” PCB source.

Sources have also revealed that PCB is considering to host Three T20s and One Test and the remaining one Test will be included in a Test series in Bangladesh.

According to schedule, Bangladesh are scheduled to tour Pakistan later in January where they have to play three T20I and two Test.

Yesterday, Bangladesh head coach Russell Domingo said that he has no problem in touring Pakistan if the team gets security clearance


https://arysports.tv/pakistan-bangladesh-series-likely-to-get-breakthrough-in-coming-days/

Seems like some behind the scenes negotiations are going on, which is sensible from both sides.
 
Seems like some behind the scenes negotiations are going on, which is sensible from both sides.

When they are at it, hopefully they can negotiate for more test matches. A minimum of 3 test match series going forward should be the proposal.
 
This is a very good development and I believe WK is behind it - the guy is the only professional either side among ........ you know:( I think, the ultimate target for PAK/PCB should be to bring Test cricket in PAK. A Test tour comes with two challenges - 1. It's a 5 days game means, even 2 Tests tour will require 15 days intense environments both on & off the field. 2. SRL agreed, but I don't think other teams will agree to play Test within 48-72 hours of landing in PAK and without any practice game, means PCB will have to arrange may be two, at least one 3 days game with similar preparation (but absolute no monetary return).

I think, it's utmost important to host both Tests is PAK, may be even at a single (Karachi) venue (with the practice game as well), and compromise everything else. PAK is already arranging T20s & ODIs at home, PSL is also scheduled entirely in PAK, therefore hosting BD for few LO games is just a side wise shift, doesn't hold the gain PCB achieved by bringing SRL for Test series. If PSL ends successfully without much issues, I believe next year PAK can bring SENA countries for T20 & ODI in PAK - one reason is restored credibility but the main reason is next two ICC events after 2020 WC in AUS (a 3rd mega event could the the proposed ODI tournament) are scheduled in India and teams would like the opportunity to acclimatize as much as possible in South Asian condition. But, Test cricket is different issue - there is not much at PCB's hand (as a bargain chip), therefore they have to move by inch to ultimate goal.

In that regard, I think not only one Test in BD, PCB's proposal should be to play both Tests (why not three?) in PAK (may be even later sometimes in August/SEP, if it's already to late) and right not crack a deal to play several LO games in BD during IPL period as a revenue sharing model. It's not about who is host, rather BCB will pay PCB a fixed amount as guarantee money (regardless of their income, it's given) and a percentage of net earnings. There is an issue of broadcasting rights, therefore PCB/BCB can't arrange something as joint venture - it'll always be like one Board earns the media rights, other one can be benefited in cash payment, regardless of the venue. At the end of the day, money ever becomes too much!!!!

I am actually more concerned (disturbed is probably better wording here), that both BD & PAK players will be sitting idle for 10 weeks of IPL and this is what makes our players vulnerable to illegal bookies & corrupt crickets in middle-east. Last AFG-BD-ZIM series was hit in BD and PAK is still one of the most popular team - it's easily possible to arrange 3 Tests, 6 ODIs and 3 T20Is during that period and it'll be hit. In fact, BD-PAK Test series will be financially positive individually (not as part of a package with LOs attached) - last time over 50K paid crowd came to watch all 4 BD-ENG/AUS Test in both venues.

PS: I can see this latest update is few hours old but hardly any post here - I probably can understand the reason. Guys, there is no winner here and no one should feel bitter that PCB is trying to negotiate - the ultimate target is to bring Test cricket in PAK. I myself is quite ashamed with this tool Papon using his power & position to settle scores (& we'll have to pay for it sometimes in future - what goes round comes back), but he also has a valid reason for his stand and both boards have to move forward for their respective position........ same goes for the fans as well. At the end of the day - neither can improve without playing the thing on field.
 
So if this happens will the test series be of one test or the test which is to be played in BD will be continuation of same series?

In terms of test championship points this doesnt make a difference as if the total number of tests remain the same the total points associated remain the same.
 
Great stuffs.

Sensible negotiation is the way to go. Hopefully they will come up with a proposal agreed by both parties.
 
I personally think PCB is at a stronger position after SL tour and should not budge to BCB. If they don;t come, for no obvious reason, they are more to lose.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION],
I think Wasim Khan is missing the point. BCB doesn't want to play test with Pakistan in Pakistan due to long hours on field where T20 matches finishes in half of the day. Don't think BCB boss will not agree with the new invitation either.
 
This is a very good development and I believe WK is behind it - the guy is the only professional either side among ........ you know:( I think, the ultimate target for PAK/PCB should be to bring Test cricket in PAK. A Test tour comes with two challenges - 1. It's a 5 days game means, even 2 Tests tour will require 15 days intense environments both on & off the field. 2. SRL agreed, but I don't think other teams will agree to play Test within 48-72 hours of landing in PAK and without any practice game, means PCB will have to arrange may be two, at least one 3 days game with similar preparation (but absolute no monetary return).

I think, it's utmost important to host both Tests is PAK, may be even at a single (Karachi) venue (with the practice game as well), and compromise everything else. PAK is already arranging T20s & ODIs at home, PSL is also scheduled entirely in PAK, therefore hosting BD for few LO games is just a side wise shift, doesn't hold the gain PCB achieved by bringing SRL for Test series. If PSL ends successfully without much issues, I believe next year PAK can bring SENA countries for T20 & ODI in PAK - one reason is restored credibility but the main reason is next two ICC events after 2020 WC in AUS (a 3rd mega event could the the proposed ODI tournament) are scheduled in India and teams would like the opportunity to acclimatize as much as possible in South Asian condition. But, Test cricket is different issue - there is not much at PCB's hand (as a bargain chip), therefore they have to move by inch to ultimate goal.

In that regard, I think not only one Test in BD, PCB's proposal should be to play both Tests (why not three?) in PAK (may be even later sometimes in August/SEP, if it's already to late) and right not crack a deal to play several LO games in BD during IPL period as a revenue sharing model. It's not about who is host, rather BCB will pay PCB a fixed amount as guarantee money (regardless of their income, it's given) and a percentage of net earnings. There is an issue of broadcasting rights, therefore PCB/BCB can't arrange something as joint venture - it'll always be like one Board earns the media rights, other one can be benefited in cash payment, regardless of the venue. At the end of the day, money ever becomes too much!!!!

I am actually more concerned (disturbed is probably better wording here), that both BD & PAK players will be sitting idle for 10 weeks of IPL and this is what makes our players vulnerable to illegal bookies & corrupt crickets in middle-east. Last AFG-BD-ZIM series was hit in BD and PAK is still one of the most popular team - it's easily possible to arrange 3 Tests, 6 ODIs and 3 T20Is during that period and it'll be hit. In fact, BD-PAK Test series will be financially positive individually (not as part of a package with LOs attached) - last time over 50K paid crowd came to watch all 4 BD-ENG/AUS Test in both venues.

PS: I can see this latest update is few hours old but hardly any post here - I probably can understand the reason. Guys, there is no winner here and no one should feel bitter that PCB is trying to negotiate - the ultimate target is to bring Test cricket in PAK. I myself is quite ashamed with this tool Papon using his power & position to settle scores (& we'll have to pay for it sometimes in future - what goes round comes back), but he also has a valid reason for his stand and both boards have to move forward for their respective position........ same goes for the fans as well. At the end of the day - neither can improve without playing the thing on field.

3 tests and whatever LOIs will be great during the idle time of IPL but this year Ramadan starts on Apr 23. Don’t think players from either side will be happy to play cricket. :moyo
 
By the way, looking at facebook is interesting. Vast majority of Bangladesh fans on those threads want their board to play in Pakistan because they understand it is the morally right thing to do! Whereas here, BD fans appear to be taking some absurd positions to justify their board’s strange statements and convoluted reasoning. Even after losing the argument on PP threads on the ‘security’ excuse, they continue to argue that BD shouldn’t tour with no legitimate reason! PP’s BD fans may not necessarily reflect the views of the BD masses.
 
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By the way, looking at the threads on this topic on facebook is interesting. Vast majority of Bangladesh fans on those threads want their board to play in Pakistan because they understand it is the morally right thing to do! Whereas here, BD fans appear to be taking some absurd positions to justify their board’s strange statements and convoluted reasoning. Even after losing the argument on PP threads on the ‘security’ excuse, they continue to argue that BD shouldn’t tour with no legitimate reason! PP’s BD fans may not necessarily reflect the views of the BD masses. Check out the threads on FB.

Actually if you go through all the pages of this thread, BD fans barring [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]’s essay are just a little reluctant to tour but Parosis are overwhelmingly opposed to the tour.
 
Actually if you go through all the pages of this thread, BD fans barring [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]’s essay are just a little reluctant to tour but Parosis are overwhelmingly opposed to the tour.

You may be right. I don’t want to generalize. I am sure some BD fans on here want to tour PK as well because they see it is the morally right thing to do and the security argument is falling flat. I haven’t read the whole threads. So I apologize if you are a BD fan on here who wants the tests to go ahead. But I think [MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION] is another one who has presented some convoluted arguments, apart from [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
 
You may be right. I don’t want to generalize. I am sure some BD fans on here want to tour PK as well because they see it is the morally right thing to do and the security argument is falling flat. I haven’t read the whole threads. So I apologize if you are a BD fan on here who wants the tests to go ahead. But I think [MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION] is another one who has presented some convoluted arguments, apart from [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

Lol I don’t know from what words of mine made you think I’m a BD fan. I’m a Pakistani fan and what I was saying was that most of the BD fans here too are not overwhelmingly opposed like the Indians are for this tour.

Needless to say as a Pakistani fan obviously I want the tour to go ahead with as much test matches as possible.
 
Our Indian friends apart from few are on full swing to prove Pakistan is not safe for cricket so Bd shouldn't tour there
 
Lol I don’t know from what words of mine made you think I’m a BD fan. I’m a Pakistani fan and what I was saying was that most of the BD fans here too are not overwhelmingly opposed like the Indians are for this tour.

Needless to say as a Pakistani fan obviously I want the tour to go ahead with as much test matches as possible.

No, I didn’t think you were a BD fan! I was just responding to your comment about BD fans in response to mine etc.. :)
 
You may be right. I don’t want to generalize. I am sure some BD fans on here want to tour PK as well because they see it is the morally right thing to do and the security argument is falling flat. I haven’t read the whole threads. So I apologize if you are a BD fan on here who wants the tests to go ahead. But I think [MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION] is another one who has presented some convoluted arguments, apart from [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

I was never opposed to this tour. My beef was with the fact how PCB wasn't open to any negotiation. Now that they are negotiating, I think things can be alright.

I always maintained that I consider Pakistan safe (for cricket at least) on a personal level.
 
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I was never opposed to this tour. My beef was with the fact how PCB wasn't open to any negotiation. Now that they are negotiating, I think things can be alright.

I always maintained that I consider Pakistan safe (for cricket at least) on a personal level.

And how do you know PCB wasn't and BCB was?
 
I was never opposed to this tour. My beef was with the fact how PCB wasn't open to any negotiation. Now that they are negotiating, I think things can be alright.

I always maintained that I consider Pakistan safe (for cricket at least) on a personal level.

If you maintain that Pakistan is safe, then why is there any need for negotiation???
 
Bangladesh has agreed to play one Test in Pakistan, provided the second match of the ICC World Test Championship is held in Dhaka, a proposal which was rejected by the PCB.

A Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) official said that the board has rejected the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) proposal, making it clear that the two Tests were part of Pakistan's home series and must be played there.

"It is strange that the BCB wants Pakistan to play a Test in Bangladesh in return," the official told PTI.

Bangladesh is due to tour Pakistan from January 18 to play two Tests and three T20 Internationals but the tour is still uncertain after BCB officials said that they will just play the T20 series there and not the Tests.

Bangladesh first wants to play three T20s in Pakistan and then decide after assessing the security situation whether to play the Test series or not.

The PCB, however, has ruled out hosting the Test matches at a neutral venue.

"Privately the proposal to have one Test in Pakistan and one in Bangladesh has been floated but has been rejected," the PCB official said.

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cr...akistan-and-other-in-dhaka-1634093-2020-01-05
 
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Tour just needs to be cancelled, why should pakistan play a "home test" in bangladesh?
 
Lol, these Bangladeshis are under the delusion that just because they are cozy with the BCCI, they will have BCCI level influence as well
 
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Lol, these Bengalis are under the delusion that just because they are cozy with the BCCI, they will have BCCI level influence as well

It’s Bangladeshis actually- you should not know that Bangladesh is a different country now, different from the ethnicity of Bengali..... and more shamefully why.

I don’t know why again you are trying to bring BCCI here - obviously they have a different level of influence; no one knows better & bitter than PCB & PAK than that unfortunately.
 
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Security concerns,

1 test safe in Pakistan. 2nd Test in Dhaka, not UAE....how does this board operate?
 
Security concerns,

1 test safe in Pakistan. 2nd Test in Dhaka, not UAE....how does this board operate?

I think, they can explain that quite comfortably- it won’t work that way. Two Tests means, almost 15 days isolated in hotel rooms without any practice game - just like SRL tour. BCB can easily back this up, counter offering first Test at Dhaka after PAK playing couple of practice games and 2 days later both teams fly to Karachi for 2nd Test. I am sure, BCB will offer something like this - they do operate quite professionally actually; but this one is beyond professional ethics for a different reason.

The point is not that - PCB needs to play both Tests in PAK, otherwise not much gain from playing LOs in PAK only and this guy Papon is abusing his position to settle scores, which is quite sick & disgusting to be honest. Otherwise, they actually have got the Govt clearness to travel PAK
 
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If one test is safe then two tests are safe too.

It was one thing to request a fly in play T20s in one city and fly out tour.

Its another thing to ask to play 1 test in Dhaka and one in Pakistan.

BCB is coming to play the whole tour. They have used up whatever elbow room they had by making this stupid proposal. This means they have no hard reason not to tour.
 
I have to say I agree with PCB's decision, BCB's proposal didnt make any sense to start with. They could have asked for a reciprocation in the form of a series in BD or something on those terms rather than asking for dismantling the test series in two parts.
 
I thought this negotiation would result in a positive outcome. Looks like they couldn't reach a deal.

Kind of disappointing.
 
Are you disappointed that BCB could not get their way on this?

I am just disappointed that a deal didn't happen.

Why would I be disappointed with BCB? BCB doesn't really lose anything if tour doesn't happen. PCB needs the tour more badly (they are trying to bring cricket back).
 
I am just disappointed that a deal didn't happen.

Why would I be disappointed with BCB? BCB doesn't really lose anything if tour doesn't happen. PCB needs the tour more badly (they are trying to bring cricket back).

Its a loss for both nations
 
BCB denies media reports of splitting Pakistan Test series

Bangladesh Cricket Board [BCB] has ruled out of tossing any ‘private proposal’ to the Pakistan Cricket Board to split the scheduled two-match Test series and held them in Pakistan and Dhaka. On Sunday, media reports of such proposal from BCB to PCB was published and upon knowing the reports the BCB denied them and said no such proposition was made.

BCB chief executive officer Nizamuddin Chowdhury informed Dhaka Tribune that he is unaware of any such proposal from his board to PCB.

“I am not aware of any such proposal. We [BCB] still stand to our previous decision. We have principally agreed to play the T20I series in Pakistan subject to clearance from the government. Following the T20I series, we will assess if we can go ahead in playing the Test series in Pakistan,” said Nizamuddin on Sunday.

A media report on Sunday claimed ‘Bangladesh has agreed to play one Test in Pakistan, provided the second match of the ICC World Test Championship is held in Dhaka, a proposal which was rejected by the PCB.’ The report quoted an unnamed PCB official which said, “The board [PCB] has rejected BCB proposal, making it clear that the two Tests were part of Pakistan’s home series and must be played there.”

Bangladesh’s scheduled tour of Pakistan in January-February, for three-match T20I series and two-match Test series, fell in jeopardy as BCB and PCB are yet to reach a unanimous decision.

BCB has decided to play the T20I series first upon clearance from Bangladesh government and then decide on the Test series. PCB has however been rigid over hosting the series in full and rule out any option of having the Test series played outside Pakistan. The two Tests between Bangladesh and Pakistan are part of the ongoing Test Championship.

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangla...dia-reports-of-splitting-pakistan-test-series
 
BCB denies media reports of splitting Pakistan Test series

Bangladesh Cricket Board [BCB] has ruled out of tossing any ‘private proposal’ to the Pakistan Cricket Board to split the scheduled two-match Test series and held them in Pakistan and Dhaka. On Sunday, media reports of such proposal from BCB to PCB was published and upon knowing the reports the BCB denied them and said no such proposition was made.

BCB chief executive officer Nizamuddin Chowdhury informed Dhaka Tribune that he is unaware of any such proposal from his board to PCB.

“I am not aware of any such proposal. We [BCB] still stand to our previous decision. We have principally agreed to play the T20I series in Pakistan subject to clearance from the government. Following the T20I series, we will assess if we can go ahead in playing the Test series in Pakistan,” said Nizamuddin on Sunday.

A media report on Sunday claimed ‘Bangladesh has agreed to play one Test in Pakistan, provided the second match of the ICC World Test Championship is held in Dhaka, a proposal which was rejected by the PCB.’ The report quoted an unnamed PCB official which said, “The board [PCB] has rejected BCB proposal, making it clear that the two Tests were part of Pakistan’s home series and must be played there.”

Bangladesh’s scheduled tour of Pakistan in January-February, for three-match T20I series and two-match Test series, fell in jeopardy as BCB and PCB are yet to reach a unanimous decision.

BCB has decided to play the T20I series first upon clearance from Bangladesh government and then decide on the Test series. PCB has however been rigid over hosting the series in full and rule out any option of having the Test series played outside Pakistan. The two Tests between Bangladesh and Pakistan are part of the ongoing Test Championship.

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangla...dia-reports-of-splitting-pakistan-test-series

Again U Turn.

This is the U turn show.
 
BCB should stop pushing themselves in a corner. Just play the series guys, and ask Pakistan to reciprocate.
 
PCB should just show the ICC the bangladesh are coming up with feeble excuses. They can play 3 t20s and 1 test but an extra test is unsafe.

Well done BCB for make urselves look like clowns through whole process.
 
PCB should just show the ICC the bangladesh are coming up with feeble excuses. They can play 3 t20s and 1 test but an extra test is unsafe.

Well done BCB for make urselves look like clowns through whole process.

Pakistan cricket board will have better luck convincing ICC to ban Bangladesh cricket team from playing in Test format than convince them to play in Pakistan. Bangladesh is still not ready for international test level.
 
Really fed up with this comedy circus by Nazmul Hassan, have not seen a bufoon of his stature in an administrative position ever.

He has been shifting from one posture to another in the most hilarious manner,
when he requested PCB to play in Islamabad where these is no cricket stadium it showed how silly this guy is.
Initially thought Bangladesh Govt. might have some problem, but they had given security clearance to Bangladesh Womens team and U 16 mens team to visit earlier. It has to do with Nazmul Hasan or someone in BCB and its an ego issue.

Due to this stupid behaviour of 'treat us like Australia' has made sure Pakistan has'nt toured Bangladesh for a bilateral series for 4 years or more now and if if this laughing stock Nazmul Hasan continues I doubt we would see any matches between Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Most are waiting for PSL and really don't care even if this 9th ranked team tours, better call it off and start negotiations with other teams PCB can get another team soon. PCB should've called its players back from BPL. Not worried about this tour, if the test series is truncated Mani will get alot of flak for responding effectively.
 
I am just disappointed that a deal didn't happen.

Why would I be disappointed with BCB? BCB doesn't really lose anything if tour doesn't happen. PCB needs the tour more badly (they are trying to bring cricket back).

If they don’t agree to tour it’s a forfeit so yeah they would have lost anyways if they do bother to turn up.

Don’t take it personally, Bangladesh are not strong enough to beat Pakistan I’m afraid
 
BCB denies media reports of splitting Pakistan Test series

Bangladesh Cricket Board [BCB] has ruled out of tossing any ‘private proposal’ to the Pakistan Cricket Board to split the scheduled two-match Test series and held them in Pakistan and Dhaka. On Sunday, media reports of such proposal from BCB to PCB was published and upon knowing the reports the BCB denied them and said no such proposition was made.

BCB chief executive officer Nizamuddin Chowdhury informed Dhaka Tribune that he is unaware of any such proposal from his board to PCB.

“I am not aware of any such proposal. We [BCB] still stand to our previous decision. We have principally agreed to play the T20I series in Pakistan subject to clearance from the government. Following the T20I series, we will assess if we can go ahead in playing the Test series in Pakistan,” said Nizamuddin on Sunday.

A media report on Sunday claimed ‘Bangladesh has agreed to play one Test in Pakistan, provided the second match of the ICC World Test Championship is held in Dhaka, a proposal which was rejected by the PCB.’ The report quoted an unnamed PCB official which said, “The board [PCB] has rejected BCB proposal, making it clear that the two Tests were part of Pakistan’s home series and must be played there.”

Bangladesh’s scheduled tour of Pakistan in January-February, for three-match T20I series and two-match Test series, fell in jeopardy as BCB and PCB are yet to reach a unanimous decision.

BCB has decided to play the T20I series first upon clearance from Bangladesh government and then decide on the Test series. PCB has however been rigid over hosting the series in full and rule out any option of having the Test series played outside Pakistan. The two Tests between Bangladesh and Pakistan are part of the ongoing Test Championship.

https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangla...dia-reports-of-splitting-pakistan-test-series

Isn't this what Srilanka initially proposed PCB? They wanted to play t20 and assess the situation to decide whether they will play test or not? So what's wrong if BCB ask for the same thing? Why is Bangladesh been treated different than Srilanka?
 
If they don’t agree to tour it’s a forfeit so yeah they would have lost anyways if they do bother to turn up.

Don’t take it personally, Bangladesh are not strong enough to beat Pakistan I’m afraid

Where did I say Bangladesh are strong enough to defeat Pakistan? That has nothing to do with this conflict. This is at the board/administrative level.

Also, it is not a forfeit officially. That's for ICC to decide. Not you or me.
 
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