I feel sorry for the new generation of Pakistan ODI cricket fans

[the Great Khan]

Honestly the title says it all.

I was at a local cricket academy that my son attends. And he was asked who he supported. Naturally he said Pakistan and waqar younis was his favourite player. In response a bigger child, probably aged around 14 said and I quote " Pakistan are rubbish. they never win and always lose to india". This kid was a pakistani. My son wasn't distraught but simply ignored the comment and carried on.

I feel sorry for this new generation who are growing up when cricket in Pakistan has almost been destroyed by a combination of nepotism, corruption and foreign boycott. I mean we've always had corruption but after 2009 you may as well have just banned Pakistan forever. To put fans through this slow decline and (if not stopped) death is heartbreaking and cruel.

Now Many of you know how I feel about what happened in 2009 and subsequently so I wont go over that again.

But how do you revive cricket in the country when you cant play international cricket at home?

we have a economy that is doing ok now, a young population, reduced levels of terrorism, a team that is full of young players who clearly are finding it difficult to play abroad. I mean who wouldnt? but its relentless. No wonder we are getting performances like todays.

Something must be done or this generation will never no how my generation felt. Youll enver know the felling of watching miandads chaka, the 92 triumph, the constant beatings given to our neighbours, the sight of wasim and waqar wiping out the white nations batting lineups and then watching them sulk and show us their true selves...

yes you can watch it all on youtube but I truly feel sorry for you, that you have to endure Umar akmal, and Malik and wahab riaz..heart breaking stuff..

what do you young chaps think? and this is for [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] too. Who do we have left in the shanbles that is domestic cricket??

 

[kingusama92]

We did win the T20 world cup.

But it has been a sorry sight in ODIs. I suppose its worse for those in Pakistan who don't get to watch these guys live either.

Perhaps that's a good thing though.

 

[Ankit007]

Pak should learn to chase at least 270-300 if not more than that in this modern era. Their 90s type batting is destroying us...

 

[Asim2Good]

Past team also didn't achieve much either. They went missing against top teams.
90s team had weaker Indian,NZ n English teams as well to face them.

But its not same anymore. All those teams improved big time as compared to their 90s teams

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

I've never seen such a poor Pakistan odi team in 25 years of watching! All you have to do is get 250 and you win the game against us! If you get 200, you're in with a chance. If you get 150, you're not out of it! A very sad state of affairs!

 

[JaDed]

Pak should learn to chase at least 270-300 if not more than that in this modern era. Their 90s type batting is destroying us...

Us??

 

[Markhor]

I've not seen a poorer Pakistan ODI team than this. Even in the 2000s under Inzamam we had a golden period in ODIs. We beat India, Sri Lanka and West Indies away, and reached #2 in the world.

Pakistan's ODI batting is so far behind the rest of the world in every aspect be it strike rotation or power hitting.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Out of interest who did the young kid support - England? Perhaps this is just a sign of the times - a greater proportion of the latest generation are now supporting the country of their birth and not the country of their grandparents birth. But sure not having too many current Pakistani heros doesn't help and will only accelerate this process.

Honestly the title says it all.

I was at a local cricket academy that my son attends. And he was asked who he supported. Naturally he said Pakistan and waqar younis was his favourite player. In response a bigger child, probably aged around 14 said and I quote " Pakistan are rubbish. they never win and always lose to india". This kid was a pakistani. My son wasn't distraught but simply ignored the comment and carried on.

I feel sorry for this new generation who are growing up when cricket in Pakistan has almost been destroyed by a combination of nepotism, corruption and foreign boycott. I mean we've always had corruption but after 2009 you may as well have just banned Pakistan forever. To put fans through this slow decline and (if not stopped) death is heartbreaking and cruel.

Now Many of you know how I feel about what happened in 2009 and subsequently so I wont go over that again.

But how do you revive cricket in the country when you cant play international cricket at home?

we have a economy that is doing ok now, a young population, reduced levels of terrorism, a team that is full of young players who clearly are finding it difficult to play abroad. I mean who wouldnt? but its relentless. No wonder we are getting performances like todays.

Something must be done or this generation will never no how my generation felt. Youll enver know the felling of watching miandads chaka, the 92 triumph, the constant beatings given to our neighbours, the sight of wasim and waqar wiping out the white nations batting lineups and then watching them sulk and show us their true selves...

yes you can watch it all on youtube but I truly feel sorry for you, that you have to endure Umar akmal, and Malik and wahab riaz..heart breaking stuff..

what do you young chaps think? and this is for [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] too. Who do we have left in the shanbles that is domestic cricket??

 

[Ankit007]

Us??

Yes us. Means Whole cricketing world.... We need a good Pakistan side. This way cricket is degrading

 

[tanveer din]

I've not seen a poorer Pakistan ODI team than this. Even in the 2000s under Inzamam we had a golden period in ODIs. We beat India, Sri Lanka and West Indies away, and reached #2 in the world.

Pakistan's ODI batting is so far behind the rest of the world in every aspect be it strike rotation or power hitting.

Beat england at home and drew with england away also

 

[asfandyar]

Us??

He means Pakistan fans. I am a Pakistani, and I am also an Indian fan. Is that hard to imagine?

 

[Slog]

barring a brief period for 2005 to 2006 england series, we have been a pretty rubbish overall team since 2002!

The first round knockouts in 2003 AND 2008 WCs are proof of that

 

[Shafi]

Inzi needs to be sacked. This guy keeps copy and paste same squad from previous series and give same statements again and again. Apart from Sharjeel there are no power hitter.
Need to get rid of Hafeez, Malik, Akmal, Shafiq, Rahat,Azhar, Nawaz, Wahab and Rizwan.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

I feel sorry for myself.

I haven't missed a match in 9 years. The last time Pakistan won a match was in Sep/Oct. The next time we win might be in April. That's a 7 month gap between 2 victories.

We are truly atrocious as a cricketing nation and the fans barely get moments of joy.

I doubt I'll be getting the same feeling anytime soon as I did when Pakistan won at Lords and the Oval.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Inzi needs to be sacked. This guy keeps copy and paste same squad from previous series and give same statements again and again. Apart from Sharjeel there are no power hitter.
Need to get rid of Hafeez, Malik, Akmal, Shafiq, Rahat,Azhar, Nawaz, Wahab and Rizwan.

Replacements will perform in the same way. There are no youngsta beauties in Pakistan ready to shock the cricketing world.

 

[speedking]

How can one bear the azhar Ali's momentum sucking tuk tuk ?!does he even knows that test matches are over??

 

[Shafi]

The way we batted today we don't deserve to play more than 2 ODI with top 5 teams just like Ireland, Holland, UAE. Its a predictable whitewash unless Australia field their school team. Even their A team is superior than us. We don't have a single power hitter apart from Sharjeel. And player like Akmal can't even perform BPL keep selecting based on what?
I am telling you people this time our test team will be whitewashed by Bangladesh if we don't get rid of Misbah and few players i.e Imran, Nawaz, Sami

 

[Hasan123]

I miss the 2005/2006 odi team.

 

[Shafi]

Replacements will perform in the same way. There are no youngsta beauties in Pakistan ready to shock the cricketing world.

I am sure we have atleast better players than Hafeez, Malik, Akmal, Shafiq, Rahat,Azhar, Nawaz, Wahab and Rizwan who can score 20-30s and get 2-3 wickets

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Honestly the title says it all.

I was at a local cricket academy that my son attends. And he was asked who he supported. Naturally he said Pakistan and waqar younis was his favourite player. In response a bigger child, probably aged around 14 said and I quote " Pakistan are rubbish. they never win and always lose to india". This kid was a pakistani. My son wasn't distraught but simply ignored the comment and carried on.

I feel sorry for this new generation who are growing up when cricket in Pakistan has almost been destroyed by a combination of nepotism, corruption and foreign boycott. I mean we've always had corruption but after 2009 you may as well have just banned Pakistan forever. To put fans through this slow decline and (if not stopped) death is heartbreaking and cruel.

Now Many of you know how I feel about what happened in 2009 and subsequently so I wont go over that again.

But how do you revive cricket in the country when you cant play international cricket at home?

we have a economy that is doing ok now, a young population, reduced levels of terrorism, a team that is full of young players who clearly are finding it difficult to play abroad. I mean who wouldnt? but its relentless. No wonder we are getting performances like todays.

Something must be done or this generation will never no how my generation felt. Youll enver know the felling of watching miandads chaka, the 92 triumph, the constant beatings given to our neighbours, the sight of wasim and waqar wiping out the white nations batting lineups and then watching them sulk and show us their true selves...

yes you can watch it all on youtube but I truly feel sorry for you, that you have to endure Umar akmal, and Malik and wahab riaz..heart breaking stuff..

what do you young chaps think? and this is for [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] too. Who do we have left in the shanbles that is domestic cricket??

We have some good domestic players. Domestic Cricket hasn't improved or worsened them. It's just natural ability.


But now Cricket is not just an Art, its a combination of art and science with alot of science involved .


Now you need systems, modern infrastructure, skilled work force including people of science. And yes merit, honesty & absence of nepotism.


You had to send Haris Sohail to England to do what ? To do injury rehab. This means what ? This means you do not have facilities.


A country as small as New Zealand (population wise) reached Final of worldcup only because of merit & honesty ? No. Only because of talent coming up ? No.

They have a system in place where a player with potential goes in and a product comes out. A product which is a finished article with vastly improved skills.


If a player makes the team at younger age say Guptil & Williamson than they make sure there game is developed technically and their skills are developed in International Cricket with alot of scientific & professional work done behind the curtains.


We play a number 4 batsman at number 9 and he scores 7 runs. Next game he bats at number 4 scores 67 and wins the match for his regional side. Who made him to bat at number 9 when he averages 50 plus in Fc and 40 plus in list A ? There will be no accountability. Probably since we at PP and some at social media bashed this move so it brought a change. Imagine what happens at Inter District Inter Region Cricket which is not FC or List A.


This is 2017 and you have one NCA in a country of approx 230 million people. That NCA is of the level of 80's Academy of Australia.


You are only competing on the natural ability of few cricketers or their exceptional hardwork on individual levels. That's it.


Top 4 Top 5 Cricketing nations have High Performance Centres. Your NCA cannot be even termed as a Performance centre.


You have a bowler Mohammad Irfan jnr for 3-4 years now. A bowler with natural ability better than many yet in these 3-4 years you :

1. Could not improve his fitness

2. Could not increase his speed

3. Could not improve his runup

4. Could not improve his use of non bowling arm

5. Could not irradicate his stagger just as he is about to deliver the ball.


He entered domestic Cricket in genuine Teenage.


Do you have a Biomechanist ? No

Do you have a Human movement expert ? No

Do you have a Professional Fast bowling Coach ? No

Do you have the latest equipment ? No


4 years wasted.


You just expect a Shoaib Akhtar, Waqar Younis, Mohammad Asif to come from their villages and stunn the world.


We got World's only ambidextrous fast bowler capable of bowling 130-135 kph from left and 135-140 kph from right hand with the right handed runup and action most identical copy of Steyn. Yet you found him at the age of 21 22 due to PSL talent hunt.

Before that becsuse there is no money so from the age of 16-22 he was helping his father in his small vegetable vendor business.


In top 4,5 Cricketing countries Cricket is a Profession. A Career which can help you earn a very very decent earning even if you just play domestic Cricket. While in Pakistan it's only decent if you make Pakistan team or get picked in PSL which started last year.

Koi bichara talented Under 17 player Karachi tea stall pe mazdoori ker raha tou koi Under 19 player Parathay laga raha.


2 years ago you spotted a left arm malinga from Sindh capable of bowling in his 130's. Such a player did not need even change of Action. Just needed improvement in fitness to become 145+ bowler. 2 years and the guy has just played 2-3 T20 matches and 0 List A matches despite impressing in televised T20 matches. This is your great system.


Lastly in this season a batsman was given caught at short leg when the ball bounched 18 inches before him saw the footage on Tv.


Cricket as an Institution in Pakistan is as Good as FIA, NAB, FBR etc

 

[saabir]

Now Pakistan can be genuinely tagged as minnows in ODIS. Pak is below BG & at par with westindies in neutral venues.

 

[JaDed]

Yes us. Means Whole cricketing world.... We need a good Pakistan side. This way cricket is degrading

He means Pakistan fans. I am a Pakistani, and I am also an Indian fan. Is that hard to imagine?

Was just a doubt mate ,why r u guys getting offended.

 

[Ankit007]

The way we batted today we don't deserve to play more than 2 ODI with top 5 teams just like Ireland, Holland, UAE. Its a predictable whitewash unless Australia field their school team. Even their A team is superior than us. We don't have a single power hitter apart from Sharjeel. And player like Akmal can't even perform BPL keep selecting based on what?
I am telling you people this time our test team will be whitewashed by Bangladesh if we don't get rid of Misbah and few players i.e Imran, Nawaz, Sami

But you did beat their U19 team... Lol... Just kidding

 

[Ankit007]

Was just a doubt mate ,why r u guys getting offended.

Did I sound offended. Sorry I didn't mean to. Was a normal response imo...

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Past team also didn't achieve much either. They went missing against top teams.
90s team had weaker Indian,NZ n English teams as well to face them.

But its not same anymore. All those teams improved big time as compared to their 90s teams

The Pakistani teams should have won the 96 and 99 World Cups. Give credit where it is due; we had brilliant teams in the 90s.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

I miss the 2005/2006 odi team.

They began to score 300 regularly and chased down 300 v India in Ahmedabad. Classy.

 

[speedking]

Past team also didn't achieve much either. They went missing against top teams.
90s team had weaker Indian,NZ n English teams as well to face them.

But its not same anymore. All those teams improved big time as compared to their 90s teams

you're absolutely spot on that's the point I was thinking as well 90s Ind nz eng and probably wi too were weak sides in odi so pak just bashed them

 

[zn426]

This is all fine well, and good, but from what I understand many on this board actually LIVE in Pakistan. What are YOU doing to fix the problem? I'm a U.S. Citizen. We don't have a cricketing infrastructure here, so I will not pretend to be a qualified coach-but this is easily the most active message board I read. Every thread goes for 5-10 pages easily, and you have the longest pages I've ever seen at 80 posts long!

Anyone can point out a broken pipe, but true leadership is to step and fix the pipe.
So how many of you are going to become cricket coaches? There's coaching certificates available for those willing to learn. Are you going to encourage your kids to run, exercise, focus on their fitness?

American football, soccer, every sport succeeds in the United States because parents are ridiculously competitive and insist on getting their kid involved, to the point of arguing to the coach that their kid should be allowed to play even if they're not qualified.

I realize that saying such things doesn't make me popular, but I would rather say it and point out how you can help.
And for those of you who are in the US/UK/Canada-we can help too. If PCB is cash strapped, then set up scholarships for players in school up to U-17. Don't give the money to PCB-they clearly aren't doing their jobs, but if you can identify youth coaches who will help and promote fitness and the willingness to work hard and cricket, then Pakistan can and will come up. There's a long way to go-but Pakistan isn't done yet. All of us standing up will ensure that it remains that way.

 

[Asim2Good]

The Pakistani teams should have won the 96 and 99 World Cups. Give credit where it is due; we had brilliant teams in the 90s.

But they didn't achieve much against top teams. (One tri series in Aus n series win against Aus in 2001-02)
They also had got games at home grounds too but this team don't even play at home

 

[Pure Evil]

If I understand this correctly, a kid who started understanding and watching cricket post 2010, has Waqar Younis as his favorite player, long after he retired and stopped being effective. His favorite team is Pakistan when that team has been poor ever since he started watching. Not England, where he lives and who have been much better than Pakistan. His dad is a 2nd generation immigrant and can only refer to his host country as white nations.

I really feel sorry for the kid. And no not for cricketing reasons.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

Inzimam is biggest culprit, not Inzi the selector but captain and living legend of Pakistan cricket, his legacy is very poor. He failed to groom youngsters. His focus during twilight of his career was somewhere else.

 

[Hasan123]

They began to score 300 regularly and chased down 300 v India in Ahmedabad. Classy.

Exactly also we had Akhtar, Asif,and Afridi so the bowling attack was good.

 

[the Great Khan]

If I understand this correctly, a kid who started understanding and watching cricket post 2010, has Waqar Younis as his favorite player, long after he retired and stopped being effective. His favorite team is Pakistan when that team has been poor ever since he started watching. Not England, where he lives and who have been much better than Pakistan. His dad is a 2nd generation immigrant and can only refer to his host country as white nations.

I really feel sorry for the kid. And no not for cricketing reasons.

why? he's my kid so naturally has been watching stuff with me including waqar younis vids on youtube! As for supporting England lol, thats up to him but since he's still quite young, to get him into the game its better to help him understand his heritage and culture..plus watching england costs money which I dont have at this moment in time..

by the way dont feel sorry for him, at this moment in time Minecraft,coding and pokemon mean more to him than cricketing loyalty..

 

[the Great Khan]

Inzimam is biggest culprit, not Inzi the selector but captain and living legend of Pakistan cricket, his legacy is very poor. He failed to groom youngsters. His focus during twilight of his career was somewhere else.

hunh? he had afridi, rana naved, kaneria, yasir hameed, umar gul, mohammed sami, kamran akmal, iftikhar anjum, imran nazir, to name but a few. Its not his fault some of them turned out to be ******'s.

we had a nothing bowling attack at one point. Just watch highlights of indi vs pakistan 2005 at bangalore and look at the bowling attack. Inzi had to work with nothing. He had three batsmen (inzi,moyo,yk) no bowlers coz shoaib sahib kept getting injured and kaneria was the only one who was fit most days. Considering the state we were in he did a pretty good job. we regualry hit 300 plus on ODI pitches beat India more often than not and smashed most teams at home..even gave the aussies some competitive matches..

overall that team was so far ahead of this ODI team its not funny..

 

[Asim2Good]

Inzimam is biggest culprit, not Inzi the selector but captain and living legend of Pakistan cricket, his legacy is very poor. He failed to groom youngsters. His focus during twilight of his career was somewhere else.

Inzi left cricket 9 years ago, how it's his fault till now?
Some players from Inzi's era still in team like Malik,Hafeez.
Afridi just left. Kami still wanna b in team.
Yk didn't do much in ODIs
MoYo had problems with board himself.

 

[the Great Khan]

We have some good domestic players. Domestic Cricket hasn't improved or worsened them. It's just natural ability.


But now Cricket is not just an Art, its a combination of art and science with alot of science involved .


Now you need systems, modern infrastructure, skilled work force including people of science. And yes merit, honesty & absence of nepotism.


You had to send Haris Sohail to England to do what ? To do injury rehab. This means what ? This means you do not have facilities.


A country as small as New Zealand (population wise) reached Final of worldcup only because of merit & honesty ? No. Only because of talent coming up ? No.

They have a system in place where a player with potential goes in and a product comes out. A product which is a finished article with vastly improved skills.


If a player makes the team at younger age say Guptil & Williamson than they make sure there game is developed technically and their skills are developed in International Cricket with alot of scientific & professional work done behind the curtains.


We play a number 4 batsman at number 9 and he scores 7 runs. Next game he bats at number 4 scores 67 and wins the match for his regional side. Who made him to bat at number 9 when he averages 50 plus in Fc and 40 plus in list A ? There will be no accountability. Probably since we at PP and some at social media bashed this move so it brought a change. Imagine what happens at Inter District Inter Region Cricket which is not FC or List A.


This is 2017 and you have one NCA in a country of approx 230 million people. That NCA is of the level of 80's Academy of Australia.


You are only competing on the natural ability of few cricketers or their exceptional hardwork on individual levels. That's it.


Top 4 Top 5 Cricketing nations have High Performance Centres. Your NCA cannot be even termed as a Performance centre.


You have a bowler Mohammad Irfan jnr for 3-4 years now. A bowler with natural ability better than many yet in these 3-4 years you :

1. Could not improve his fitness

2. Could not increase his speed

3. Could not improve his runup

4. Could not improve his use of non bowling arm

5. Could not irradicate his stagger just as he is about to deliver the ball.


He entered domestic Cricket in genuine Teenage.


Do you have a Biomechanist ? No

Do you have a Human movement expert ? No

Do you have a Professional Fast bowling Coach ? No

Do you have the latest equipment ? No


4 years wasted.


You just expect a Shoaib Akhtar, Waqar Younis, Mohammad Asif to come from their villages and stunn the world.


We got World's only ambidextrous fast bowler capable of bowling 130-135 kph from left and 135-140 kph from right hand with the right handed runup and action most identical copy of Steyn. Yet you found him at the age of 21 22 due to PSL talent hunt.

Before that becsuse there is no money so from the age of 16-22 he was helping his father in his small vegetable vendor business.


In top 4,5 Cricketing countries Cricket is a Profession. A Career which can help you earn a very very decent earning even if you just play domestic Cricket. While in Pakistan it's only decent if you make Pakistan team or get picked in PSL which started last year.

Koi bichara talented Under 17 player Karachi tea stall pe mazdoori ker raha tou koi Under 19 player Parathay laga raha.


2 years ago you spotted a left arm malinga from Sindh capable of bowling in his 130's. Such a player did not need even change of Action. Just needed improvement in fitness to become 145+ bowler. 2 years and the guy has just played 2-3 T20 matches and 0 List A matches despite impressing in televised T20 matches. This is your great system.


Lastly in this season a batsman was given caught at short leg when the ball bounched 18 inches before him saw the footage on Tv.


Cricket as an Institution in Pakistan is as Good as FIA, NAB, FBR etc

depressing.

But what can be done to arrest this slide? will cricket need to get privatised to acheive something? will we see PSL clubs taking more control over their repsected talent pools over time?

I can see the PCB eventually becoming irrelevant like the english FA in future at this rate! If the PSL keeps on doing well, the clubs will become richer and will want more control voer cricketing affairs or will simply buy talent. The PCB will be left with a rump! and pakistan may suffer!

 

[rollingstoned]

hunh? he had afridi, rana naved, kaneria, yasir hameed, umar gul, mohammed sami, kamran akmal, iftikhar anjum, imran nazir, to name but a few. Its not his fault some of them turned out to be ******'s.

we had a nothing bowling attack at one point. Just watch highlights of indi vs pakistan 2005 at bangalore and look at the bowling attack. Inzi had to work with nothing. He had three batsmen (inzi,moyo,yk) no bowlers coz shoaib sahib kept getting injured and kaneria was the only one who was fit most days. Considering the state we were in he did a pretty good job. we regualry hit 300 plus on ODI pitches beat India more often than not and smashed most teams at home..even gave the aussies some competitive matches..

overall that team was so far ahead of this ODI team its not funny..

Personally i feel that Afridi, Akhtar, Razzaq and Malik not reaching their potential after the w Ws retired has hurt Pakistan. The likes of Rana naved, Shabbir Ahmed, Rao Iftikhar etc were no world beaters but they're better than much of whom Pakistan has playing for them now.

 

[the Great Khan]

Personally i feel that Afridi, Akhtar, Razzaq and Malik not reaching their potential after the w Ws retired has hurt Pakistan. The likes of Rana naved, Shabbir Ahmed, Rao Iftikhar etc were no world beaters but they're better than much of whom Pakistan has playing for them now.

akther had too many fitness issues..he was a one of a kind bowler who should have been looked after better and advised better..we should have monitored his workload and not let him bowl on phatta dead pitches like Multan etc..

as for asif well he was a man of low character..enough said..same with Butt..Razaaq was treated very badly I feel..he was probably one of the most talented players Ive ever seen for pakistan and should have had a longer steadier run in the side than he did..Malik was and is the luckiest player to play for pakistan..a mediocre but player who stayed in due to political connections and somehow always managing to find a fifty or century just when he needed it..His captaany stint was terrible and did major damage to our cricket..

 

[the Great Khan]

oh and afridi was a disgrace but a legend too..go figure..

 

[rollingstoned]

akther had too many fitness issues..he was a one of a kind bowler who should have been looked after better and advised better..we should have monitored his workload and not let him bowl on phatta dead pitches like Multan etc..

as for asif well he was a man of low character..enough said..same with Butt..Razaaq was treated very badly I feel..he was probably one of the most talented players Ive ever seen for pakistan and should have had a longer steadier run in the side than he did..Malik was and is the luckiest player to play for pakistan..a mediocre but player who stayed in due to political connections and somehow always managing to find a fifty or century just when he needed it..His captaany stint was terrible and did major damage to our cricket..

I also believe Woolmers death was a big blow, many of these 'allrounders' had experienced a new lease of life under him and Pakistan were a good LOI side for a while, Malik particularly. The present team is shorn of many of the failings of much more talented Pakistani teams of a decade or 2 ago but they play much more to their potential than the 90s one, there was a lot of infighting and politics blighting that side that never really allowed it to prosper.

 

[Hamza78]

I feel for them too my son watch cricket with me and he always ask me why they batting Soo slow why they don't bat like kholi

 

[the Great Khan]

I also believe Woolmers death was a big blow, many of these 'allrounders' had experienced a new lease of life under him and Pakistan were a good LOI side for a while, Malik particularly. The present team is shorn of many of the failings of much more talented Pakistani teams of a decade or 2 ago but they play much more to their potential than the 90s one, there was a lot of infighting and politics blighting that side that never really allowed it to prosper.

true that really shattered the side..also the international boycott and the war on terror has shattered the country's confidence..many of these players come from a PTSD society..

in the context this is a brave set of players who are trying to punch above their wait..comments like chappels just dont help and our country needs real help from the cricketing world..because if we dont get a helping hand cricket will be gone in ten or twenty years..

 

[Donal Cozzie]

why? he's my kid so naturally has been watching stuff with me including waqar younis vids on youtube! As for supporting England lol, thats up to him but since he's still quite young, to get him into the game its better to help him understand his heritage and culture..plus watching england costs money which I dont have at this moment in time..

by the way dont feel sorry for him, at this moment in time Minecraft,coding and pokemon mean more to him than cricketing loyalty..

Tell him to support Ireland instead. We're even worse but barely play that way the pain is limited.

 

[MMHS]

Replacements will perform in the same way. There are no youngsta beauties in Pakistan ready to shock the cricketing world.

That's the biggest myth is PAK cricket, probably the difference with Imran era. There might not be any ready-made youngstabeau but there are potentials. This current lost has their range measured; & they are leaching around through their contacts. Even not considering 2 to 5 years bunking, average age for PAK team is 30+, which means players are already down the hill - a young player of 23 has 2 years to catch up & then 10 years to deliver.

If I were in charge, I would have categorically brought the average age to 25 level - there after if the performance goes down, still Mickey can work with that team for 2 years. At this rate, by 2019 WC, PCB will need couple of ambulances to carry half the side to Stadium.

Kick out MoHa, Malik, Wahab, Azhar, Irfan, Asad from this squad & add 6 new names - I am going randomly : Shadab Khan, Fahim Ashraf, Aga Salman, Saud Shakil, Fakhar Zaman, Amir Yamin, Amin, Irfan, Mir, Gohar, Amad ............ that team can't do worse than this one; but they'll at least walk on own feet to ground.

 

[street cricketer]

Tell him to support Ireland instead. We're even worse but barely play that way the pain is limited.

Even the tagline is the same.

#GreenStormComing

 

[the Great Khan]

Tell him to support Ireland instead. We're even worse but barely play that way the pain is limited.

to be honest he's not fanatical like I am as he's not got to that point yet..I show him all kinds ov cricketers..and secretly he actually likes australia(lol)..he watched the previous world cup with me and loved australia especially watson and warner!! so if push came to shove he is an aussie..(how the hell that happened I have no idea)

I show him vids of richards, waqar, imran, wasim, kohli, all sorts..he's just getting into it so lets see where it goes..

 

[the Great Khan]

That's the biggest myth is PAK cricket, probably the difference with Imran era. There might not be any ready-made youngstabeau but there are potentials. This current lost has their range measured; & they are leaching around through their contacts. Even not considering 2 to 5 years bunking, average age for PAK team is 30+, which means players are already down the hill - a young player of 23 has 2 years to catch up & then 10 years to deliver.

If I were in charge, I would have categorically brought the average age to 25 level - there after if the performance goes down, still Mickey can work with that team for 2 years. At this rate, by 2019 WC, PCB will need couple of ambulances to carry half the side to Stadium.

Kick out MoHa, Malik, Wahab, Azhar, Irfan, Asad from this squad & add 6 new names - I am going randomly : Shadab Khan, Fahim Ashraf, Aga Salman, Saud Shakil, Fakhar Zaman, Amir Yamin, Amin, Irfan, Mir, Gohar, Amad ............ that team can't do worse than this one; but they'll at least walk on own feet to ground.

lol bhai you always make me feel a bit better lol

 

[Donal Cozzie]

to be honest he's not fanatical like I am as he's not got to that point yet..I show him all kinds ov cricketers..and secretly he actually likes australia(lol)..he watched the previous world cup with me and loved australia especially watson and warner!! so if push came to shove he is an aussie..(how the hell that happened I have no idea)

I show him vids of richards, waqar, imran, wasim, kohli, all sorts..he's just getting into it so lets see where it goes..

) )

Wow, that is quite something.

Must've been delighted when Rahat dropped Watson :

 

[street cricketer]

to be honest he's not fanatical like I am as he's not got to that point yet..I show him all kinds ov cricketers..and secretly he actually likes australia(lol)..he watched the previous world cup with me and loved australia especially watson and warner!! so if push came to shove he is an aussie..(how the hell that happened I have no idea)

I show him vids of richards, waqar, imran, wasim, kohli, all sorts..he's just getting into it so lets see where it goes..

Don't show too many India matches to your son.

He may get lured to the darker side.

 

[the Great Khan]

Don't show too many India matches to your son.

He may get lured to the darker side.

i have a few Indian friends, one in particular who I consider a elder brother, and he's always ribbing me about Pakistan lol..another who is a fanatical India supporter..and he loves it too..

I'll show him some more Kohli so he can copy his cover drive and other strokes..not bothered who he supports at this point (other than India, thats just haram lol) as long as he can pick things up and develop a passion..

will be going to watch some T20 over the summer so that should be fun..also he watched the PSL with me (and since he's a man u fan, again dont ask how that happened, he was into islamabad united) and he's looking forward to that..just wish we had more free cricket on tv..

 

[shortbread]

I think the biggest difference that many ignore is that the sport has moved on Pakistan hasn't.

Cricketers are athletes now, they run faster between wickets, chase the ball, dive, much fitter, better endurance, more strength (couple with insane bats).......its just moved on. Watching older videos the difference is big. Today's game Australia's running between wickets, fielding, as athletes the top team's maintain a different standard altogether.

One can blame the system, management and plenty of other external circumstances but these guys, personally shouldn't they have the drive to excel. I mean we do it in our day to day jobs for survival.

When they see the likes of Warner, Maxwell, shouldn't players like Sharjeel or Akmal think I want to field like that, I want to be light on my feet and hare between the wickets and get that additional run.

I understand some are born with the talent or skill, but with drive players can improve so much.

The Pakistani players simply don't, they just stagnate and then it's steady decline. Why don't they want to improve.

A set of weights, a cardio routine, a pull up bar and a strict diet plan is all they need.can make immense difference to these 'players'. All they need is the internet and considering their presence on social media these guys are well versed to work a computer.

I mean let alone International contemporaries, people with 9 to 5 jobs maintain a better fitness standard than them.

Its a collective attitude where they all just want to survive in the squad, thrive in the mediocrity!

The SOLUTION: Give all players a 5 month window to bring their fat percentage to 15%. Instantly you can pick out the players who have the drive and really want it. If they can achieve this then there is nothing they cannot take on.
Work with them. Might lose games, so at-least they will keep driving themselves to get better.

Rest, well they can use the out time to improve and reach the benchmark.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

But they didn't achieve much against top teams. (One tri series in Aus n series win against Aus in 2001-02)
They also had got games at home grounds too but this team don't even play at home

They underachieved but were a top 3 side throughout the 90s and could turn up and beat any team.

Too many people saying others were weak. Give credit; we were damn good.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

If only the oldies in our govt and in the PCB also felt sorry for us.

No one cares and none will do anything about it.

Same horrible pitches/grounds for batting and fielding

Same poor quality balls

No cricket structure for the juniors.

And we will be opening the same threads in 2018 as well.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

In the past Pakistan were never very disciplined but they usually had a lot of natural flair for the game. These days most of the other teams have more invention, positive intent and work ethic. I think other teams have moved on while Pakistani cricket is stuck in the 1980's.

I have hardly bothered to watch this current series because I just see no spark in that squad. Most of them look at a loss as to how to compete other than to defend for their life.

 

[Asim2Good]

They underachieved but were a top 3 side throughout the 90s and could turn up and beat any team.

Too many people saying others were weak. Give credit; we were damn good.

Because other teams like Eng,NZ, Ind were weak.
The players our team had in 90s ( almost all our big players in history played in that era), we should have dominated every team but it was not the case.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Just something to ponder: Pakistan used to be described as the Brazil of cricket a couple of decades ago. I wonder how people would describe them now? The Greece of cricket maybe.

 

[sam_ahm]

A very good OP that.

It was depressing to see Pakistan play the way they did today, not once during that chase did it look like they'll be winning.

As a kid I've also seen pakistan being a wonderful team with so.many great match winning players, it pains to see them like this.

 

[Convict]

to be honest he's not fanatical like I am as he's not got to that point yet..I show him all kinds ov cricketers..and secretly he actually likes australia(lol)..he watched the previous world cup with me and loved australia especially watson and warner!! so if push came to shove he is an aussie..(how the hell that happened I have no idea)

I show him vids of richards, waqar, imran, wasim, kohli, all sorts..he's just getting into it so lets see where it goes..

Nah.

No true Australian loves poor old Watto.

Australia's greatest whipping boy

 

[Sarfarazian92]

I seriously wonder if our players work as hard as they need to.

Look at the bellies of Sharjeel, Akmal, and Sarfraz. They're an embarrassment to cricketers.

A player can improve power hitting skills through strength building exercises and hard drills/practice suitable for hitting. I just don't think our players work as hard on these things.

The only player who has shown some significant improvement is Azhar Ali in the test format because he has worked hard on his technique and doesn't fall over anymore.

Surely Rizwan can work hard and do something that doesn't make him look like a tailender.

Look at Kohli, that dude is all hard work. You don't average 70-80 in a year combining all formats on talent alone, there's immense hard work done behind the scenes.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

depressing.

But what can be done to arrest this slide? will cricket need to get privatised to acheive something? will we see PSL clubs taking more control over their repsected talent pools over time?

I can see the PCB eventually becoming irrelevant like the english FA in future at this rate! If the PSL keeps on doing well, the clubs will become richer and will want more control voer cricketing affairs or will simply buy talent. The PCB will be left with a rump! and pakistan may suffer!

Yes PSL will help and it was much needed.

The money we earn from PSL should be invested in domestic Cricket.

1. The match fees of domestic matches should be increased 300 times.

2. High Performance Centres of the standard of those in Australia and England should be established in all Provinces.

3. NCA type Academies should be established in major 10 Cricketing Cities of Pakistan.

4. All the regional and departmental coaches should have a certain level of Internationally recognised certifications to be able to get coaching jobs.

5. All the domestic teams should have a qualified trainer and nutritient.

7. Top 15 domestic performers of last two years should get a monthly income from PCB for next two years.

 

[proud_pakistani]

I agree. My little brother who is 16 now does not even watch cricket as he does not think Pakistan can win. He feels if Pakistan win it is either fluke or due to match fixing. He started following cricket around 8-9 years a go post Inzi retirement. Which really has been very poor and perhaps the only reason why our generation continues to support Pakistan cricket is we feel somewhere there are some gems like Wasim, Waqar or Saeed Anwar.

I feel really bad for these kids who missed out on 90s and early 2000s cricket. Really they have missed out big time and the worst part is it is in complete shambles right now.

 

[KhalidRafi]

you're absolutely spot on that's the point I was thinking as well 90s Ind nz eng and probably wi too were weak sides in odi so pak just bashed them

To be fair, the Pakistani bowling of the 90's was world-class and arguably the best in the world. Can think of numerous times when Pakistan had even Australia bowled out under 200. Plus, in those days scores of 250 were considered winning totals so the batsmen usually didn't have much to do.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

Yes PSL will help and it was much needed.

The money we earn from PSL should be invested in domestic Cricket.

1. The match fees of domestic matches should be increased 300 times.

2. High Performance Centres of the standard of those in Australia and England should be established in all Provinces.

3. NCA type Academies should be established in major 10 Cricketing Cities of Pakistan.

4. All the regional and departmental coaches should have a certain level of Internationally recognised certifications to be able to get coaching jobs.

5. All the domestic teams should have a qualified trainer and nutritient.

7. Top 15 domestic performers of last two years should get a monthly income from PCB for next two years.

You realise the PSL has been privatised and practically all the profit will go to the team owners now and not the PCB??

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-League-set-to-become-private-limited-company

 

[Speedster777]

90s was the best era of Pak cricket with world class players. I feel disgusted when I watch our current pathetic cricket team they are not even a patch on wasim waqar miandad inzamam and so many others. Absolutely sorry state of affairs.

 

[Shafi]

Our cricket does not suit with modern days style in any format. Even Squash (won couple of tournaments recently) has better prospective than cricket which has noting but whitewash and rank around 8-9

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

You realise the PSL has been privatised and practically all the profit will go to the team owners now and not the PCB??

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-League-set-to-become-private-limited-company

The PCB will own total control and profits coming from the lucrative league as well, the country’s cricket chief Shaharyar Khan and PCB’s executive committee chairman Najam Sethi said at a joint news conference after a meeting which stretched eight hours.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

The PCB will own total control and profits coming from the lucrative league as well, the country’s cricket chief Shaharyar Khan and PCB’s executive committee chairman Najam Sethi said at a joint news conference after a meeting which stretched eight hours.

Ah OK, must've been changed from the original announcement. Could've sworn originally PCB would only get minimal profits.

 

[Saffer_XIII]

Nah.

No true Australian loves poor old Watto.

Australia's greatest whipping boy

One of the best limited overs all rounders to have played the game. Australians are a weird bunch.

 

[Tusker]

Something must be done or this generation will never no how my generation felt. Youll enver know the felling of watching miandads chaka, the 92 triumph, the constant beatings given to our neighbours, the sight of wasim and waqar wiping out the white nations batting lineups and then watching them sulk and show us their true selves...

yes you can watch it all on youtube but I truly feel sorry for you, that you have to endure Umar akmal, and Malik and wahab riaz..heart breaking stuff..

Exaggerating a bit are we ? nobody even remembers or cares about the meaningless bilateral ODI's which is what you are referring to. India has been beating Pak in all the big ticket matches since forever (Remember 1985 B&H World Championships ? ) ... Pretty sure Miandad would swap that last ball 6 win for a win in the 1996 Q/F which was his last match. This doesn't mean you had a bad team or that we had a great team ... the truth is somewhere in between.

 

[Saj]

Tough few years ahead.

The bowlers will continue to win the occasional game for Pakistan but I really do not see any world-beaters coming up and lifting the Pakistan ODI batting.

Expect them to struggle in the next couple of years.

 

[vicky11]

They began to score 300 regularly and chased down 300 v India in Ahmedabad. Classy.

wasn't that in mohali ....?

 

[Slog]

I seriously wonder if our players work as hard as they need to.

Look at the bellies of Sharjeel, Akmal, and Sarfraz. They're an embarrassment to cricketers.

A player can improve power hitting skills through strength building exercises and hard drills/practice suitable for hitting. I just don't think our players work as hard on these things.

The only player who has shown some significant improvement is Azhar Ali in the test format because he has worked hard on his technique and doesn't fall over anymore.

Surely Rizwan can work hard and do something that doesn't make him look like a tailender.

Look at Kohli, that dude is all hard work. You don't average 70-80 in a year combining all formats on talent alone, there's immense hard work done behind the scenes.

I agree

Though Kohli is an extreme example

I think his fitness and hard work leaves even Aussies and Saffers behind in the shade. So lean

 

[jnaveen1980]

No ODI team is perfect. India for a very long time did not cross 300 in the one dayers. First time they did against Pakistan in the 90s with the help of Azharuddin scoring 22 runs in the final over. Many teams had scored 300 already. Over a period they evolved thanks to brilliant strikers like Sehwag, Dhoni, Yuvraj now Kohli. Many teams evolved. Pakistan is a bit behind in this area for whatever reason. Even after T20 era they are not quiet up there. They rely largely on reducing the opposition to a smaller total.

 

[Statsman]

Exaggerating a bit are we ? nobody even remembers or cares about the meaningless bilateral ODI's which is what you are referring to. India has been beating Pak in all the big ticket matches since forever (Remember 1985 B&H World Championships ? ) ... Pretty sure Miandad would swap that last ball 6 win for a win in the 1996 Q/F which was his last match. This doesn't mean you had a bad team or that we had a great team ... the truth is somewhere in between.

Sadly the gulf between the two teams was big and hence the constant thrashing we got that has lead to the WL ratio. India have been a better side than Pakistan post 2002-3 but luckily for Pakistan they have hardly faced India during this time - be it in tests or ODIs else we would have thrashed them most of the times.

 

[Slog]

Exaggerating a bit are we ? nobody even remembers or cares about the meaningless bilateral ODI's which is what you are referring to. India has been beating Pak in all the big ticket matches since forever (Remember 1985 B&H World Championships ? ) ... Pretty sure Miandad would swap that last ball 6 win for a win in the 1996 Q/F which was his last match. This doesn't mean you had a bad team or that we had a great team ... the truth is somewhere in between.

lmao nobody remembers but you do )

miandad wouldnt give that six for the world

chetan sharma still has nightmares from it and said that even now ppl ask about it

 

[ExplicitAI]

It's not all doom and gloom, the PSL was the best thing to come out for us and we did win a T20 WC. Slowly but surely things are gonna improve but it depends on the PCB if they're smart enough to make choices that are beneficial for the team.

I spoke to a Ghanian friend of mine at uni and talked to him about cricket and told him abc of Pak cricket (he doesn't watch it but watches West Indies from time to time), he said from his point of view that choosing Azhar was a dumb decision but rates him highly as a batsman. He said that the managers in Pak cricket are awful and there's nothing wrong with the players talent, they can be nurtured into an amazing final product by professional coaches from other countries. He then goes on to say that Sarfraz should be captain since he won an u19 WC whereas Azhar never captained a team in domestics. An Indian friend of mine who doesn't watch cricket told me from his point of view that Azhar became captain because he's the PCB's pet as well as the management being terrible.

 

[Napa]

Exaggerating a bit are we ? nobody even remembers or cares about the meaningless bilateral ODI's which is what you are referring to. India has been beating Pak in all the big ticket matches since forever (Remember 1985 B&H World Championships ? ) ... Pretty sure Miandad would swap that last ball 6 win for a win in the 1996 Q/F which was his last match. This doesn't mean you had a bad team or that we had a great team ... the truth is somewhere in between.

lmao nobody remembers but you do )

miandad wouldnt give that six for the world

chetan sharma still has nightmares from it and said that even now ppl ask about it

A win in an likely fixed bilateral series is better than an international tournament?

The B&H win was even better than the 1983 WC win, for starters all of it was broadcast live in India. Also India was simply super-dominant, and if it were not for Imran not walking when he was out, India would have had an unique record of getting every opponent bowled out.

 

[Syed1]

If a person is born blind he has never seen the wonders and colors of the world and therefore cannot imagine what he is missing out on.

However, a person who had full working sight, but slowly lost it and eventually became blind, then the blindness would effect that person MORE since he knows what he is missing out on and he has lost something that he possessed at one point.

The point that I trying to make is, feel sorrier for the 90s kids who grew up watching a very, very exciting and competitive cricket team that once used to challenge for the top spot in ODIs, now we are happy after winning ONE ODI

 

[the Great Khan]

Exaggerating a bit are we ? nobody even remembers or cares about the meaningless bilateral ODI's which is what you are referring to. India has been beating Pak in all the big ticket matches since forever (Remember 1985 B&H World Championships ? ) ... Pretty sure Miandad would swap that last ball 6 win for a win in the 1996 Q/F which was his last match. This doesn't mean you had a bad team or that we had a great team ... the truth is somewhere in between.

sorry mate but we went unbeaten against you for years. and The epic thrashing in the tri series in Australia is still an epic..the record books will always remain no matter what.. I remember back in the day indian trolls (you lot have always been trolls) called ODI's meaningless because the beatings used to get worse every year.. now its one match every four years, when the game is stacked in your favour..I call that buzdili!

 

[Tusker]

sorry mate but we went unbeaten against you for years.

Pretty sure we won the Rothmans or Sharjah Cup or Pepsi/Cola cup featuring Pakistan in the 80's ....But like I said nobody cares.

and The epic thrashing in the tri series in Australia is still an epic..the record books will always remain no matter what.. I remember back in the day indian trolls (you lot have always been trolls) called ODI's meaningless because the beatings used to get worse every year.. now its one match every four years, when the game is stacked in your favour..I call that buzdili!

Worse than your team having to make secretive arrangements to land in a different airport to avoid dealing with a violent crowd upset at losing to India in a WC Q/F ? Thats some epic Buzdilli.

And how is the game stacked in our favor now ?