I got my Covid 19 vaccine, hope all of you will get it soon

[moghul]

As a frontline healthcare provider ( ICU doc) I have already received the first of the two doses of covid 19 vaccine. Second one is schedule in 1st week of January.

With 2nd surge of corona pandemic at its worst and with so much exposure to patients with the infection, I feel myself very lucky to receive this vaccine before catching the infection. Thinking about so many people, particularly some of my physician colleagues we lost to this pandemic for whom this vaccine was not an option .

Hope all of you will get it, soon.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Which vaccine have you taken? When and are you feeling any side effects?

You have a right to take the vaccine but others also have a right not to esp if they are healthy with strong immune systems who will recover from this pretty quickly.

 

[cric_man]

Which vaccine have you taken? When and are you feeling any side effects?

You have a right to take the vaccine but others also have a right not to esp if they are healthy with strong immune systems who will recover from this pretty quickly.

You maybe healthy and asymptomatic but may transmit to others who may not be as lucky as you.
Please think of others as well.

 

[moghul]

Which vaccine have you taken? When and are you feeling any side effects?

You have a right to take the vaccine but others also have a right not to esp if they are healthy with strong immune systems who will recover from this pretty quickly.

Its been more than 24 hours now, I was given Pfizer vaccine .

No I have not experienced any unusual feeling, no pain in arm no body aches, nothing.

Thanks to the new technology , I believe this is the safest and the most effective vaccine ever created.

 

[rahulrulezz]

Hi buddy, thanks for sharing your thoughts. From what I have heard, Pfizer is even more painful than the flu shot. Is that correct. Also, with flu shot, you have side affects of getting fever etc, did you not feel drowsy or any symptom whatsoever?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

As a frontline healthcare provider ( ICU doc) I have already received the first of the two doses of covid 19 vaccine. Second one is schedule in 1st week of January.

With 2nd surge of corona pandemic at its worst and with so much exposure to patients with the infection, I feel myself very lucky to receive this vaccine before catching the infection. Thinking about so many people, particularly some of my physician colleagues we lost to this pandemic for whom this vaccine was not an option .

Hope all of you will get it, soon.

Great!

My better half got one, two days ago.
She hasn't noticed any adverse symptoms so far.

I guess a very minor population has shown some mild side effects.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Its been more than 24 hours now, I was given Pfizer vaccine .

No I have not experienced any unusual feeling, no pain in arm no body aches, nothing.

Thanks to the new technology , I believe this is the safest and the most effective vaccine ever created.

Is it true that you have to take the vaccine every other month to be protected from the coronavirus?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Its been more than 24 hours now, I was given Pfizer vaccine .

No I have not experienced any unusual feeling, no pain in arm no body aches, nothing.

Thanks to the new technology , I believe this is the safest and the most effective vaccine ever created.

Good to hear.

How do you feel about not being certain the vaccine will work on you and also not be certain the vaccine will stop you transmitting to others? Or are you hedging your bests it likely will and therefore are happy. Also will you stop social distancing, wearing masks in public now?

 

[moghul]

Hi buddy, thanks for sharing your thoughts. From what I have heard, Pfizer is even more painful than the flu shot. Is that correct. Also, with flu shot, you have side affects of getting fever etc, did you not feel drowsy or any symptom whatsoever?

I got my annual flu shot in October, I get mild pain at the site , but felt absolutely nothing with Pfizer covid 19 vaccine I received. Hope they give me real vaccine .

 

[moghul]

Is it true that you have to take the vaccine every other month to be protected from the coronavirus?

No, one more shot in 1st week of January and then I'm done for long , hopefully the protective antibodies level will stay for at least two years .

 

[moghul]

Good to hear.

How do you feel about not being certain the vaccine will work on you and also not be certain the vaccine will stop you transmitting to others? Or are you hedging your bests it likely will and therefore are happy. Also will you stop social distancing, wearing masks in public now?

I will still keep social distancing and continue to wear mask. There is no study out there yet to prove it but I'm almost certain , after fully vaccinated, I will not be transmitting infection to anyone. To be infectious one has to have a certain level of viral load and vaccinated person should not be able to replicate virus in his/her body enough to become infectious .

Will follow CDC guideline and as of now, vaccinated persons will continue to follow social distancing and mask guidelines.

 

[Usman]

Good to hear that you've had your vaccine!

Here in the UK, the way Covid has been handled gives me absolutely no confidence that the majority of us will get a vaccine any time soon. I'd very much like the Pfizer one but most likely we will all get the not so effective Oxford one! At this point though, any vaccine will do!

 

[Giannis]

There's a conspiracy theory going around among conservatives that this MRNA vaccine will alter your DNA, it can possibly change your gender and sexual orientation, maybe cause cancer or other diseases in the long term and some theorize that there's a microchip that can track you. Not that I believe any of it but just gotta put it out there for those that may want to do more research.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Good one you brother, for getting the vaccine and more importantly for being an ICU doc

 

[saeedhk]

I hope Pakistanis would listen. They say the COVID-19 vaccine is a ploy to sterilize Muslims.

 

[UP]

There's a conspiracy theory going around among conservatives that this MRNA vaccine will alter your DNA, it can possibly change your gender and sexual orientation, maybe cause cancer or other diseases in the long term and some theorize that there's a microchip that can track you. Not that I believe any of it but just gotta put it out there for those that may want to do more research.

How is the microchip suppose to power up? Will it have a battery or something? Where will it land in the body? Will it have a GPS tracker? How is this going to work?

How can a liquid change a person's gender? Will it cut the private thing with a knife?

 

[UP]

I hope Pakistanis would listen. They say the COVID-19 vaccine is a ploy to sterilize Muslims.

I can bet you my house that the third world countries will live with Covid for a long time like polio. It will take forever to eradicate this mess especially in hardcore Muslim countries.

 

[Giannis]

How is the microchip suppose to power up? Will it have a battery or something? Where will it land in the body? Will it have a GPS tracker? How is this going to work?

How can a liquid change a person's gender? Will it cut the private thing with a knife?

You need to understand cell bio. There's a theory that the mRNA could cause damage to the DNA and alter your genes, it won't affect your reproductive organs but perhaps make you infertile, impotent, change your attraction from the opposite gender to the same gender, reduce testosterone levels and elevate estrogen levels thus feminizing your face and physique and even how your brain functions.

 

[PetroDollars]

There's a conspiracy theory going around among conservatives that this MRNA vaccine will alter your DNA, it can possibly change your gender and sexual orientation, maybe cause cancer or other diseases in the long term and some theorize that there's a microchip that can track you. Not that I believe any of it but just gotta put it out there for those that may want to do more research.

Theres absolutely no tech available anywhere on this planet to make such micro chips yet, which will have to be nanochips, so tiny that you can put it in the body, we probably wouldnt be able to make such tech for another 15-20 years. When it happens it will cost a fortune, theres no way a gov. will be putting it into you for free. ) they would bankrupt the nation.

Most likely they will be used for cancer treatment and have them remotely controlled or programed to kill cancer cells but again the cost will be astronomical.

When it happens it will be Apple or Elon Musk who would bring it out.

But like you said these theories are made by conservatives, always the right wing, targeting the left wing. Its why they always support trump and watch fox news.

 

[saeedhk]

I can bet you my house that the third world countries will live with Covid for a long time like polio. It will take forever to eradicate this mess especially in hardcore Muslim countries.

Do you know Pakistanis oppose polio vaccine because they think it is a conspiracy to sterilise Muslims? We are the only one of the two nations on earth that have polio.

Pakistanis have a weird obsession with their reproductive health. I think the best way to make Pakistanis take COVID-19 seriously is to say that it leads to erectile dysfunction/mardana kamzori. I am pretty sure they would wear two masks at a time!

 

[Robert]

Good to see that you are protected [MENTION=141839]moghul[/MENTION].

Thank you for your efforts in looking after us in the continuing emergency.

 

[RickyG]

There's a conspiracy theory going around among conservatives that this MRNA vaccine will alter your DNA, it can possibly change your gender and sexual orientation, maybe cause cancer or other diseases in the long term and some theorize that there's a microchip that can track you. Not that I believe any of it but just gotta put it out there for those that may want to do more research.

You obviously believe it otherwise you wouldn't put all of that here. So according to you I'll become a lesbian woman suffering from cancer being tracked by big brother through a microchip.

Amazing.

 

[Giannis]

You obviously believe it otherwise you wouldn't put all of that here. So according to you I'll become a lesbian woman suffering from cancer being tracked by big brother through a microchip.

Amazing.

Doesn't mean I believe any of it lmaooo, I do keep an open mind.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There's a conspiracy theory going around among conservatives that this MRNA vaccine will alter your DNA, it can possibly change your gender and sexual orientation, maybe cause cancer or other diseases in the long term and some theorize that there's a microchip that can track you. Not that I believe any of it but just gotta put it out there for those that may want to do more research.

People get flu jabs, and shots when they go abroad ( anti-malaria?) to Pakistan. Couldn't malicious viruses be applied just as easily during those? I'm just wondering, do those who are anti-vaccine apply this logic across the board?

 

[ahsan17]

Do you know Pakistanis oppose polio vaccine because they think it is a conspiracy to sterilise Muslims? We are the only one of the two nations on earth that have polio.

Pakistanis have a weird obsession with their reproductive health. I think the best way to make Pakistanis take COVID-19 seriously is to say that it leads to erectile dysfunction/mardana kamzori. I am pretty sure they would wear two masks at a time!

You tend to take the worst aspects of Pakistan and extrapolate it to the whole country. More percent of Pakistanis believe in the safety of vaccines than people in Western countries:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31558-0/fulltext

 

[Pakpak]

Yup I will get it. I've had my wife, brother, cousins and so many others who got covid. Sadly had two deaths in extended family as well and 4 among friends. It's quite a nasty thing to get. My wife still coughs a lot despite recovering from it and couldn't even move for 2 weeks.

Also people with conspiracy theories. There are easier ways for governments to screw people than vaccines. It's very dangerous nonsense to spread. And the reason why Pakistan still hasn't go rid of polio. mRNA won't alter your DNA and make you infertile, the vaccine will simply induce cells to produce antigens and any cell replication won't involve any changes that will start to rewrite your genetic materia. The body will simply use mRNA to produce its own copies which the immune system responds to by producing antibodies which will protect a person if they catch covid. That's it. I'm a doctor so it gets tiring reading nonsense like this and people spreading it thinking it's some kind of joke. It's not. The government has our details on everything from our license to passport to fingerprints, I'm sure they can access people's emails and so on. They don't need to be insidious with us using vaccines and there are FAR easier ways to track someone. I mean they can just use everything we already have given them and track us than injecting us with vaccines.

 

[IMMY69]

People get flu jabs, and shots when they go abroad ( anti-malaria?) to Pakistan. Couldn't malicious viruses be applied just as easily during those? I'm just wondering, do those who are anti-vaccine apply this logic across the board?

Apply this logic?
They first need to be able to think logically before they can they even dream of applying it.

 

[Dios]

You maybe healthy and asymptomatic but may transmit to others who may not be as lucky as you.
Please think of others as well.

Does the vaccine claim to prevent infection and transmission though? So far the only thing that the vaccine has been claimed to prevent are serious incidents i.e. hospitalisations and deaths. Those of us who are under the age of 60 and are otherwise healthy have natural protection from getting seriously ill by this virus anyway.

It hasn't yet been confirmed whether the vaccine will prevent you from getting infected and then transmitting the virus to other people.

 

[Dios]

Btw I am definitely not an anti-vaxxer. The elderly and the clinically vulnerable must get the vaccine and this should be the number 1 global priority next year. However, unless the vaccines have been proven to prevent infections and transmission of the virus, there is no need for the rest of the population to take it, as as things stand currently, it won't prevent you from catching and passing on the virus to a vulnerable person. And as I said, if you are under 60 and have no health complications, the chances of you getting seriously ill from the virus are miniscule, vaccine or no vaccine.

 

[saeedhk]

You tend to take the worst aspects of Pakistan and extrapolate it to the whole country. More percent of Pakistanis believe in the safety of vaccines than people in Western countries:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31558-0/fulltext

Yes. That is why we still have polio in the country!

 

[Tubs]

Strange that people who are so sceptical about the vaccine don't apply that level of scepticism to things that can't be verified...

Glad you got the vaccine, OP. Thank you for not being selfish like many others.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

No, one more shot in 1st week of January and then I'm done for long , hopefully the protective antibodies level will stay for at least two years .

That's good to hear. I was worried that you'll have to take one shot every other month which would deplete the state's resources.

In the Netherlands they have ordered the vaccine eight times the population which got people thinking. Also that some people got corona twice after getting infected during the first wave. I think Pakistani cricketer Hafeez is one of them.

 

[BigShak]

Had the first dose myself last Wednesday. Other than a sore arm for a day no side effects.

 

[James]

Congratulations! And thank you for doing such good work on the frontline during this pandemic.

I am not on any priority list, I have no health issues and I'm relatively young, so I'm not expecting to receive a vaccine any time soon, but I will take one when it is offered.

 

[last_knight]

No, one more shot in 1st week of January and then I'm done for long , hopefully the protective antibodies level will stay for at least two years .

What is the recommendation for individuals with history of Covid-19?
Are they testing for Antibodies before Vaccinating?

 

[Arsal_AK]

There's a conspiracy theory going around among conservatives that this MRNA vaccine will alter your DNA, it can possibly change your gender and sexual orientation, maybe cause cancer or other diseases in the long term and some theorize that there's a microchip that can track you. Not that I believe any of it but just gotta put it out there for those that may want to do more research.

Yes, people should do more research. It is never a bad idea. But research isn't looking up something on the internet and believing the first opinion you come across.

RNA cannot alter your DNA. Humans don't posses the ability or the required machinery . Genetic Information flows one way and that's from DNA to RNA, hence it is simply not possible to do the opposite for an mRNA vaccine.

And second, mRNA degrades very quickly. It doesn't last more a few days in your body. If you are concerned about long term effects, don't be, if they haven't shown up in six months, they aren't going to show up when the mRNA has long gone from your body.

And if you are concerned about such a less amount of mRNA in the vaccine, the virus has orders of magnitude more and it will keep on making more.

As for a microchip tracker, why would anyone bother going to such obsense lenghts to put a chip on you when you carry your phone with you everywhere. You are have a chip. Those who are paranoid about being tracked, lose your phone first.

Trust the science, it is as good as it gets and please get the vaccine. You are helping yourselfs and the others around you as well, especially those who can't get the vaccine at this stage.

 

[Itachi]

Yes, people should do more research. It is never a bad idea. But research isn't looking up something on the internet and believing the first opinion you come across.

RNA cannot alter your DNA. Humans don't posses the ability or the required machinery . Genetic Information flows one way and that's from DNA to RNA, hence it is simply not possible to do the opposite for an mRNA vaccine.

And second, mRNA degrades very quickly. It doesn't last more a few days in your body. If you are concerned about long term effects, don't be, if they haven't shown up in six months, they aren't going to show up when the mRNA has long gone from your body.

And if you are concerned about such a less amount of mRNA in the vaccine, the virus has orders of magnitude more and it will keep on making more.

As for a microchip tracker, why would anyone bother going to such obsense lenghts to put a chip on you when you carry your phone with you everywhere. You are have a chip. Those who are paranoid about being tracked, lose your phone first.

Trust the science, it is as good as it gets and please get the vaccine. You are helping yourselfs and the others around you as well, especially those who can't get the vaccine at this stage.

I don't think people with STRONG IMMUNE SYSTEM will agree with you and your advice though.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Its been more than 24 hours now, I was given Pfizer vaccine .

No I have not experienced any unusual feeling, no pain in arm no body aches, nothing.

Thanks to the new technology , I believe this is the safest and the most effective vaccine ever created.

keep a lookout for bell's palsy

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Also ,Thank you for your service doc!

 

[ahsan17]

Yes. That is why we still have polio in the country!

You mean to say the research on attitudes towards vaccination is fake and your opinion is the reality?

 

[miandadrules]

You mean to say the research on attitudes towards vaccination is fake and your opinion is the reality?

Polio in Pakistan is the reality.

 

[ahsan17]

Polio in Pakistan is the reality.

The original point was that Pakistanis are against vaccines and that they are unlikely to take the covid-19 vaccine. That is just complete ** based on research.

 

[miandadrules]

The original point was that Pakistanis are against vaccines and that they are unlikely to take the covid-19 vaccine. That is just complete ** based on research.

The point was perpetrating nonsense about infertility reduces uptake and puts lives in danger.

 

[moghul]

Do you know Pakistanis oppose polio vaccine because they think it is a conspiracy to sterilise Muslims? We are the only one of the two nations on earth that have polio.

Pakistanis have a weird obsession with their reproductive health. I think the best way to make Pakistanis take COVID-19 seriously is to say that it leads to erectile dysfunction/mardana kamzori. I am pretty sure they would wear two masks at a time!

That would be a master stroke, great idea, seriously.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

No, one more shot in 1st week of January and then I'm done for long , hopefully the protective antibodies level will stay for at least two years .

Is there any official publication by Pfizer that the immunity will be retained for two years?

 

[moghul]

What is the recommendation for individuals with history of Covid-19?
Are they testing for Antibodies before Vaccinating?

Recommendation are same for the people with history of covid 19 infection , symptomatic or asymptomatic, they should also get vaccinated when available. And, antibodies test are not needed and not helpful in predicting duration of protection .

Although re-infection with covid 19 is extremely rare as of now, but antibodies levels falls down significantly after 3-4 months.

 

[moghul]

Is there any official publication by Pfizer that the immunity will be retained for two years?

No, Pfizer and other drug companies, for the right reasons, are extremely cautious about not saying anything which has not been proven by clinical trials .

If a virus mutates quickly, you need to produce new vaccine after a short period, like we need a new flu vaccine every years. Corona virus does not mutates as rapidly so hope is the vaccines will remain effective for years. But, only time and more studies in the coming years will tell the true story.
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[Giannis]

Polio in Pakistan is the reality.

Yeah and 80 cases of polio out of 220 million Pakistanis is also reality. A sharp gradual decline in polio cases is also a reality in Pakistan.

https://www.endpolio.com.pk/polioin-pakistan/polio-cases-district-wise-2019

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Polio in Pakistan is the reality.

Wasn't Dr Shakil Afridi appointed by the CIA to administer fake Hepatitis jabs in Pakistan? I will take the vaccine in the UK, but I would definitely be wary of taking one in Pakistan ostensibly provided by the same administration.

 

[miandadrules]

Wasn't Dr Shakil Afridi appointed by the CIA to administer fake Hepatitis jabs in Pakistan? I will take the vaccine in the UK, but I would definitely be wary of taking one in Pakistan ostensibly provided by the same administration.

No problem.

Hopefully, you’ll support those affected by such negligence for the rest of their lives.

 

[Technics 1210]

What good is the vaccine when there are reports the virus has mutated.

Plus it's cheaper for Pfizer to give a man an erection that it is to save lives - yup you guessed it - Pfizer's vaccine record is abysmal.

 

[Arsal_AK]

What good is the vaccine when there are reports the virus has mutated.

Plus it's cheaper for Pfizer to give a man an erection that it is to save lives - yup you guessed it - Pfizer's vaccine record is abysmal.

Where are these reports, I haven't seen any? To be specific, reports that say mutation in the virus is so significant that the vaccines are no good.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Where are these reports, I haven't seen any? To be specific, reports that say mutation in the virus is so significant that the vaccines are no good.

lol - Forget mutations.
I know of a practicing MD Physician here in the United States. She is supposedly too Islamic and all. And she won't take the vaccine because there is now a rumor out there that Pfizer vaccine has "Soover ki charbi" in it, and hence it's haram.

 

[moghul]

lol - Forget mutations.
I know of a practicing MD Physician here in the United States. She is supposedly too Islamic and all. And she won't take the vaccine because there is now a rumor out there that Pfizer vaccine has "Soover ki charbi" in it, and hence it's haram.

She is just being idiot , Islam has nothing to do with it .

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I have zero interest in getting a Covid vaccine, and know dozens of people of all races and ethnicities who are against it as well. The skepticism is not restricted to the Pakistani or Muslim community.


And What a joke that some posters are comparing the Covid vaccine to the Polio vaccine. Polio vaccine has been around for 70 years, and there is no debate that Polio is a deadly disease. The covid vaccine just launched, and there is alot of debate about the seriousness of Covid.

 

[Giannis]

So the UK just went into mass panic again after they announced another lockdown because of the "new strain" of COVID that is apparently spreading faster and is more transmissible than other variants, so the question is: Is the vaccine still useful or has it been rendered useless now? It would be pathetic if this strain beats the vaccine lol, setting everything back to square one.

 

[pakistani pride]

LOL @ the thread starter. Acting as if he got a life saving injection.

Here in the NL a huge numbers of experts and people working in the HC are against the vaccine and even decided against.

Its not all that easy and clear.
People are not realistic at all.

 

[Arsal_AK]

So the UK just went into mass panic again after they announced another lockdown because of the "new strain" of COVID that is apparently spreading faster and is more transmissible than other variants, so the question is: Is the vaccine still useful or has it been rendered useless now? It would be pathetic if this strain beats the vaccine lol, setting everything back to square one.

The vaccine should hold as its targeting very stable part of the virus, the spike protein. They knew that the virus would mutate (every virus does) and the vaccines are made with that in mind.

 

[Robert]

What good is the vaccine when there are reports the virus has mutated.

Plus it's cheaper for Pfizer to give a man an erection that it is to save lives - yup you guessed it - Pfizer's vaccine record is abysmal.

If the new variant still has the same spike protein antigens, the vaccine will be effective.

By the time I am called for the vaccine, I expect it will be the Oxford.

 

[Giannis]

If the new variant still has the same spike protein antigens, the vaccine will be effective.

By the time I am called for the vaccine, I expect it will be the Oxford.

The vaccine should hold as its targeting very stable part of the virus, the spike protein. They knew that the virus would mutate (every virus does) and the vaccines are made with that in mind.

If I was corona I'd mutate without the spike proteins

 

[IMMY69]

Talk of London remaining in tier 4 (which is practically a full lockdown) until enough have received the vaccine....

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No problem.

Hopefully, you’ll support those affected by such negligence for the rest of their lives.

None of my family in Pakistan are affected by polio. In any case, my point was that when the CIA used a Pakistani doctor to administer fake Hepatitis jabs it will have only fuelled the conspiracy theories such as the ones spinning around Covid vaccines. It did a lot of damage to those who may be trying to genuinely eradicate polio.

 

[moghul]

Don't want to name anyone in particular, people can read their posts. If someone does not want to take the vaccine and happy to be in the team of the spreader of the virus , no one will force him/her to take the virus, but please stop your non-sense "jihad" against the vaccine. Vaccine is the only way we can defeat this pandemic. Symptomatic or not, a vast majority of the population has to be vaccinated to achieve the success.

There are plenty of resources available to educate yourself regarding the vaccine, but you have to open your mind first and have to be positive.

I know at least two people well known to me in their early 30s recently died of covid 19, were otherwise healthy . They also thought virus would not touch them , as they were young and healthy.

 

[Technics 1210]

If the new variant still has the same spike protein antigens, the vaccine will be effective.

By the time I am called for the vaccine, I expect it will be the Oxford.

Vaccines against viruses are not 100% effective. People still have their regular flu jabs, but can end up getting the flu, since the virus mutates.

I think it will be a few years until there's a credible vaccine with a succesful track record. Right now big pharma is playing on people's fears.

Pziers vaccine was fast tracked, and approved, and frankly anyone who takes the vaccine is effectively a guinea pig.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Vaccines against viruses are not 100% effective. People still have their regular flu jabs, but can end up getting the flu, since the virus mutates.

I think it will be a few years until there's a credible vaccine with a succesful track record. Right now big pharma is playing on people's fears.

Pziers vaccine was fast tracked, and approved, and frankly anyone who takes the vaccine is effectively a guinea pig.

That would be the case for any vaccine down the years, you have to start somewhere. What's the alternative? Everyone stay locked in their homes forever?

 

[Technics 1210]

That would be the case for any vaccine down the years, you have to start somewhere. What's the alternative? Everyone stay locked in their homes forever?

Exactly, my point is this vaccine is not the saviour.

The alternative? Just carry on. There's are countires which have not imposed a lockdown.

The lockdown is a fear tactic, mainly played in European countries. Fear is the only way to control society.

 

[Technics 1210]

There are people moaning about missing out this xmas and how they can't see their family etc. Boo hoo. You've 364 days to visit your family, to feed the poor, to shelter the homeless, EVERY xmas, but no - this xmas is when they cry a river because morality has crept up.

 

[Dios]

Don't want to name anyone in particular, people can read their posts. If someone does not want to take the vaccine and happy to be in the team of the spreader of the virus , no one will force him/her to take the virus, but please stop your non-sense "jihad" against the vaccine. Vaccine is the only way we can defeat this pandemic. Symptomatic or not, a vast majority of the population has to be vaccinated to achieve the success.

There are plenty of resources available to educate yourself regarding the vaccine, but you have to open your mind first and have to be positive.

I know at least two people well known to me in their early 30s recently died of covid 19, were otherwise healthy . They also thought virus would not touch them , as they were young and healthy.

I raise this question again - has it been confirmed that any of the approved vaccines prevent spread / transmission of the virus? I believe it hasn't based on the below but please do correct me if I'm wrong as I am not a scientist or a medical professional.

The Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine has been shown to be safe and effective in late-stage clinical trials at preventing COVID-19, including severe disease, after infection. But we still don’t know if the vaccine prevents transmission of the virus from an infected person to a healthy one.

If the above is true, then all the vaccine has been confirmed to do is to prevent severe illness but not infection or transmission. Therefore, for someone who does not fall into the vulnerable categories, it is perfectly reasonable to not take the virus because, for the absolute majority of us, the virus poses very little threat of getting seriously ill or dying from it, vaccine or no vaccine. The vaccine may at best provide a marginal benefit which is probably not even worth the side-effects for young, healthy adults.

Insisting that everyone has to take the vaccine (until it has been confirmed that it prevents spread), is 1) redundant, 2) costly, 3) potentially harmful (side-effects may outweigh protection provided for young, healthy adults), 4) severely irresponsible as waiting until everyone is vaccinated to open the global economy back up is destroying livelihoods and leading in many cases to deaths.

 

[Arsal_AK]

I raise this question again - has it been confirmed that any of the approved vaccines prevent spread / transmission of the virus? I believe it hasn't based on the below but please do correct me if I'm wrong as I am not a scientist or a medical professional.


If the above is true, then all the vaccine has been confirmed to do is to prevent severe illness but not infection or transmission. Therefore, for someone who does not fall into the vulnerable categories, it is perfectly reasonable to not take the virus because, for the absolute majority of us, the virus poses very little threat of getting seriously ill or dying from it, vaccine or no vaccine. The vaccine may at best provide a marginal benefit which is probably not even worth the side-effects for young, healthy adults.

Insisting that everyone has to take the vaccine (until it has been confirmed that it prevents spread), is 1) redundant, 2) costly, 3) potentially harmful (side-effects may outweigh protection provided for young, healthy adults), 4) severely irresponsible as waiting until everyone is vaccinated to open the global economy back up is destroying livelihoods and leading in many cases to deaths.

Yes, that the vaccine prevents disease, is the only thing we can say for now. But that is good enough. If we get the hospitalizations down to very low amounts, we have effectively beaten this thing. That gives us more resources to look after few cases that remain. That is why the priority is health care workers and the at risk population.

And I don't understand the thought process behind the claims people have about vaccines? What is the vaccine doing to a person that the virus won't.

What side effects are we talking about here? So far there haven't been any serious ones. And if you are concerned about side effects from the vaccine, you should be terrified from the side effects the virus can cause. If your immune system can handle a virus, it can certainly handle a vaccine. The mRNA vaccine has only a tiny amount of mRNA which will degrade in a couple of days. The virus has thousands of times more and it can keep on making more. Now which one should you be more concerned with?

Unless the idea is to stay locked forever, those citing side effects should be the first ones getting the vaccines. Since the virus is far, far more likely to be the cause of a harmful side effect than a vaccine will ever be. Infact the probability of there being side effects from all the vaccine for the virus combined (especially ones this well tested) dwarfs in comparison with the probability of getting some from actual virus itself.

 

[moghul]

I raise this question again - has it been confirmed that any of the approved vaccines prevent spread / transmission of the virus? I believe it hasn't based on the below but please do correct me if I'm wrong as I am not a scientist or a medical professional.



If the above is true, then all the vaccine has been confirmed to do is to prevent severe illness but not infection or transmission. Therefore, for someone who does not fall into the vulnerable categories, it is perfectly reasonable to not take the virus because, for the absolute majority of us, the virus poses very little threat of getting seriously ill or dying from it, vaccine or no vaccine. The vaccine may at best provide a marginal benefit which is probably not even worth the side-effects for young, healthy adults.

Insisting that everyone has to take the vaccine (until it has been confirmed that it prevents spread), is 1) redundant, 2) costly, 3) potentially harmful (side-effects may outweigh protection provided for young, healthy adults), 4) severely irresponsible as waiting until everyone is vaccinated to open the global economy back up is destroying livelihoods and leading in many cases to deaths.

Plz read post # 11 regarding your question about transmission of disease prevention by vaccine.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

LOL @ the thread starter. Acting as if he got a life saving injection.

Here in the NL a huge numbers of experts and people working in the HC are against the vaccine and even decided against.

Its not all that easy and clear.
People are not realistic at all.

There is another side to it.
I once in a while listen to ZDog but lately he has been producing good content.

cc: [MENTION=141839]moghul[/MENTION]

 

[moghul]

There is another side to it.
I once in a while listen to ZDog but lately he has been producing good content.

cc: [MENTION=141839]moghul[/MENTION]

I didn't have time to listen whole video clip but in my university hospital and all three healthcare system where I have privileges to work doctors, nurses and other hospital workers are getting the vaccine in different phases according to their risk category according to their work. All residents and fellows are in first phase and also ICU attendings ( like me ), ER docs, anesthesiologists and so on are also in first phase to get the vaccine.

Then there are people in 2nd , 3rd and 4th phase. according to their risk factor.
If in one particular hospital the system is broken ( as per video clip ) , that is not a norm.

So many residents and fellows and many attendings have already got infected from covid 19 and one young doctor just died from it. Its just a miracle that I have not contacted the virus yet but now I feel better for having some protection.

 

[Giannis]

I raise this question again - has it been confirmed that any of the approved vaccines prevent spread / transmission of the virus? I believe it hasn't based on the below but please do correct me if I'm wrong as I am not a scientist or a medical professional.



If the above is true, then all the vaccine has been confirmed to do is to prevent severe illness but not infection or transmission. Therefore, for someone who does not fall into the vulnerable categories, it is perfectly reasonable to not take the virus because, for the absolute majority of us, the virus poses very little threat of getting seriously ill or dying from it, vaccine or no vaccine. The vaccine may at best provide a marginal benefit which is probably not even worth the side-effects for young, healthy adults.

Insisting that everyone has to take the vaccine (until it has been confirmed that it prevents spread), is 1) redundant, 2) costly, 3) potentially harmful (side-effects may outweigh protection provided for young, healthy adults), 4) severely irresponsible as waiting until everyone is vaccinated to open the global economy back up is destroying livelihoods and leading in many cases to deaths.

Preventing severe illness is no small feat, COVID infects the lungs causing pneumonia and there are long term implications of it. If it can prevent a severe immune response and lung infection then that will save a lot of lives and for those of us young and healthy that would prevent any potential lung damage, just cause young and healthy people beat the disease doesn't mean they aren't battered from it. Think of it as boxing, just cause you go the distance and win in the 12th round doesn't mean you haven't got any damage.

 

[Halaribo]

I'm waiting to hear Mamoon's experience and opinion, as a real life doctor, of trusting in the science and taking the vaccine.

I am surprised, nay, SHOCKED he has had no input in his field of expertise.

 

[MenInG]

Any updates on side-effects?

 

[silentkiller187]

The vaccine does not protect you from the virus however it makes your symptoms less severe, i understand the argument regarding you can spread this on to other people etc, but at the same time i completely agree and understand with the opinion of people being reluctant to inject themselves with something they dont really need, that has been fast tracked by a government trying to save face.

If i have less than a 1% chance of dying from a disease then i would be very reluctant to take an MRNA , which can alter DNA, some posters have claimed this is a myth but this is how vaccines work, they alter your genome to try and "fight" the virus or they could alter your genome for whatever other benefits they may see. One thing is for certain this is all very good news for the billionaires that run these games.

The micro chip stuff is very far fetched but its used to discredit "conspiracy theorists". The way the government has behaved in the UK for example, the "great reset" phrase that's been popping up around the world by world leaders, you cant help but look at the flipside, is this reaction necessary, is there something deeper going on? The health secretary in the UK admitted himself live on sky news that death figures were being exaggerated, people were being hit by a bus, but their death was recorded as covid as they had slight symptoms 6 months previously.so you cant blame people that start looking at alternative narratives.

 

[sweep_shot]

I don't want to get the vaccine quickly. I want to see how others are doing first.

 

[IAJ]

I hope Pakistanis would listen. They say the COVID-19 vaccine is a ploy to sterilize Muslims.

It will take a long time before poor countries will have access to these vaccines no? I have heard it's very expensive and in the beginning only Western countries can afford it. Not sure if it's true though.

 

[Pakpak]

The vaccine does not protect you from the virus however it makes your symptoms less severe, i understand the argument regarding you can spread this on to other people etc, but at the same time i completely agree and understand with the opinion of people being reluctant to inject themselves with something they dont really need, that has been fast tracked by a government trying to save face.

If i have less than a 1% chance of dying from a disease then i would be very reluctant to take an MRNA , which can alter DNA, some posters have claimed this is a myth but this is how vaccines work, they alter your genome to try and "fight" the virus or they could alter your genome for whatever other benefits they may see. One thing is for certain this is all very good news for the billionaires that run these games.

The micro chip stuff is very far fetched but its used to discredit "conspiracy theorists". The way the government has behaved in the UK for example, the "great reset" phrase that's been popping up around the world by world leaders, you cant help but look at the flipside, is this reaction necessary, is there something deeper going on? The health secretary in the UK admitted himself live on sky news that death figures were being exaggerated, people were being hit by a bus, but their death was recorded as covid as they had slight symptoms 6 months previously.so you cant blame people that start looking at alternative narratives.

This gets tiring debunking this nonsense again and again. This vaccine does not alter DNA in any shape or form. The mRNA vaccine is incapable of entering a nucleus and doesn't have the apparatus to alter any genetic material. It's impossible for mRNA to be delivered in the nuclear envelope and therefore any genetic modification is impossible. All it does is enter the outer membrane of the cells where the result is, in layman terms, the body produces spikes, which the virus uses to gain entry to the cells (weakened versions like in every vaccine), and immune cells recognise it and spot it so the body is immunized in any future infection. The vaccine doesn't go into the nucleus and it's impossible for it to, where the genetic material is held. It can't combine with DNA and make any changes. Some of you should submit peer reviewed science journals for this kind of science technologies. Might get a noble prize.

What happens and is happening is too many people are admitted for covid and a lot of hospitals are struggling to deal with any other issues.

The government doesn't need such a ridiculous scheme to stalk people. It already has your fingerprints, your telephone details, your passport and the list goes on and on.

I'm done on this topic and trying to educate people to stop believing in myths. Someone else can spend their time. Props to [MENTION=141839]moghul[/MENTION] for showing patience.

 

[Kroll]

lol - Forget mutations.
I know of a practicing MD Physician here in the United States. She is supposedly too Islamic and all. And she won't take the vaccine because there is now a rumor out there that Pfizer vaccine has "Soover ki charbi" in it, and hence it's haram.

Lol, doesn't surprise me, in the UK a lot of Muslims have started refusing the flu jab or scare mongering others because it contains gelatine.