"I have seen better players than Fawad Alam" : Inzamam-ul-Haq

[letme alone]

Ton of media pressure on Inzi.

But so glad he didn't give up and chose the squad on merit, cricketing potential plus technique.

Also glad Ppers who rely on spreadsheets aren't the selectors.

define merit .."cricketing potential plus technique is not definition of merit In which book can this find please give address so we can read "

 

[Sherlock]

Such an idiotic statement from Inzi. So unprofessional and downright pathetic.

 

[MenInG]

Such an idiotic statement from Inzi. So unprofessional and downright pathetic.

Think any less thick skinned person than Fawad would have been on suicide watch by now

 

[Khan12]

Have to agree with inzi this guy was struggling in club cricket here in the UK and the last time he played for us he was made to look like a tailenser by Maxwell. The like of haris,Babar,Saad and Usman are way better then him. By the way people mentioning Rashid needs to know he even wants us to pick pure no 11 khurram manzoor and tabish Khan. Unfortunately for fawad he choose the wrong career . I would have advised he to have given hockey a try as his technique is more suited there.

 

[letme alone]

Have to agree with inzi this guy was struggling in club cricket here in the UK and the last time he played for us he was made to look like a tailenser by Maxwell. The like of haris,Babar,Saad and Usman are way better then him. By the way people mentioning Rashid needs to know he even wants us to pick pure no 11 khurram manzoor and tabish Khan. Unfortunately for fawad he choose the wrong career . I would have advised he to have given hockey a try as his technique is more suited there.

haris,Babar,Saad and Usman what they do in uk

 

[silentkiller187]

Fawads stats speak for themselves, however the ship has already sailed for him im afraid. Many posters on here calling for his inclusion are probably basing their assumption on his stats rather than actually seeing him bat recently. As Saj rightfully mentioned earlier Fawad played league cricket in the UK last summer, and i actually had the pleasure of watching him play. Too much happening at the crease for me, this may put doubts in the minds off Pakistani FC bowlers but International bowlers especially in English conditions will find him out time and again.

 

[carbon11]

Have to agree with inzi this guy was struggling in club cricket here in the UK and the last time he played for us he was made to look like a tailenser by Maxwell. The like of haris,Babar,Saad and Usman are way better then him. By the way people mentioning Rashid needs to know he even wants us to pick pure no 11 khurram manzoor and tabish Khan. Unfortunately for fawad he choose the wrong career . I would have advised he to have given hockey a try as his technique is more suited there.

Rashid Latif always brings his Karachi bias into everything

Can't take him seriously

I don't think fawad should be discarded he should be given 2/3 series In uae in tests which will give us a clue to where his game is ,if misbah managed to come into the team at a much older age then fawad shouldn't be out of contention at 32 plus he is one of the fittest players in Pakistan

 

[Khan12]

haris,Babar,Saad and Usman what they do in uk

They won't be playing hockey atleat.

 

[UN talkz]

#JusticeForFawad

 

[srh]

nice reply by Inzi

 

[Railu Katta]

If it was up to some PP experts we would play a bunch of lalloos and if it were up to Rashid Latif, we would play Karachi XI and not Pakistan. A guy who wants Khurram Manzoor in the team should never be taken seriously....

 

[MMHS]

sir i don't want fawdii success only, we want justice so fair chance. if he will make 0 or more in every match no matter . every single player try to reach goal and when you close door that mean injustice and disappointing.

I don't disagree, but you have to look at bigger picture. Fawad was deprived 6/7 years back, I can feel sorry for him; but if we keep on rectifying earlier mistake at the cost of present, none can move forward. Fawad's time is over man - his present is off color and future is bleak. Saad Ali & Saud are the future - doing justice (deferred) to Fawad shouldn't create next Fawad out of those 2 young players.

 

[MMHS]

Who do you think should start in the 11...Saad Ali or Usman Salahuddin?

My starting XI for Lord's is probably -

Azhar
Sami
Babar
Hari
Sarfraz
Asad
Saad Ali
Fahim
Amir
Hasan
Rahat
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I think, 8 of the XI makes it automatically. For rest 3 spots,

1. I picked Sami as Azhar's partner. More than anything, he has toured UK once and played few Tests there. I think, toughest 2 batting jobs are opening in ENG (that too early summer) and batting in middle order in IND. Sami has the experience, and in a 2 Test series Fakhar or Imam won't get much experience.

2. Fahim over Shadab - in late May, Shadab isn't going to bowl more than Haris. He is too inexperienced and most likely he'll struggle to grip the ball. May be in 2nd Test at Leeds, he can come but not at Lord's. I think, Lord's Test will be short - may be 4 days, therefore PAK isn't going to bowl more than 200 overs. If 3 pacers can't do it, replacing Fahim with Abbas won't work either; but Fahim can bat and he is much faster. 150 overs form 3 pacers, 35 from Fahim and 15 for Haris - batting from Fahim is bonus over Abbas.

3. Asad doesn't want to move out of 6, hence he should be kept there, as he is performing at 6. That makes Sarfraz to bat at 7, which I don't want - he'll face the 2nd ball immediately and he isn't the striker to add crucial additional 50/60 with tail. So, I'll play him at 5, making the youngster debut at 7. Among Saad & Usman, I think Saad is more attacking and in top form, which should make him ideal No. 7. If it was No. 3 or 4, I probably would have gone with Usman, but for lower middle order Saad is my choice - he scored almost a thousand runs on shocking wickets at 75+ SR, which makes him ideal candidate for 7.

Among 3 pacers, if Abbas is to play, I'll actually drop Hasan rather Rahat. On song Rahat is more penetrative than even Amir, and he is the only guy over 6' in this squad.

 

[babajee]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] not even Fakhar at 7? As per media rumours he will bat in the middle order.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Shafiq's place is under threat so expecting a 100 which will close the door for Fawad even more

 

[MMHS]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] not even Fakhar at 7? As per media rumours he will bat in the middle order.

May be, but he has made his fame from opening in LOs; it'll be unfair for Saad to be dropped after having such a domestic season, to accommodate FZ.

If he is selected, I'll also play FZ in between 5-7

 

[munda_khi]

This tour has flashbacks of England 2010, young side can't manage to win a match on its own, with Azhar (except one innings), Umar Amin, Umar Akmal and all the other youngsters failing...

Suddenly Moyo and Yasir Hameed come along and Pakistan end up winning a test match at the oval - with Azhar scoring 91...

Actually Pakistan drew the series against Australia 1-1 before that.

 

[sshakir411]

My starting XI for Lord's is probably -

Azhar
Sami
Babar
Hari
Sarfraz
Asad
Saad Ali
Fahim
Amir
Hasan
Rahat
------------------

I think, 8 of the XI makes it automatically. For rest 3 spots,

1. I picked Sami as Azhar's partner. More than anything, he has toured UK once and played few Tests there. I think, toughest 2 batting jobs are opening in ENG (that too early summer) and batting in middle order in IND. Sami has the experience, and in a 2 Test series Fakhar or Imam won't get much experience.

2. Fahim over Shadab - in late May, Shadab isn't going to bowl more than Haris. He is too inexperienced and most likely he'll struggle to grip the ball. May be in 2nd Test at Leeds, he can come but not at Lord's. I think, Lord's Test will be short - may be 4 days, therefore PAK isn't going to bowl more than 200 overs. If 3 pacers can't do it, replacing Fahim with Abbas won't work either; but Fahim can bat and he is much faster. 150 overs form 3 pacers, 35 from Fahim and 15 for Haris - batting from Fahim is bonus over Abbas.

3. Asad doesn't want to move out of 6, hence he should be kept there, as he is performing at 6. That makes Sarfraz to bat at 7, which I don't want - he'll face the 2nd ball immediately and he isn't the striker to add crucial additional 50/60 with tail. So, I'll play him at 5, making the youngster debut at 7. Among Saad & Usman, I think Saad is more attacking and in top form, which should make him ideal No. 7. If it was No. 3 or 4, I probably would have gone with Usman, but for lower middle order Saad is my choice - he scored almost a thousand runs on shocking wickets at 75+ SR, which makes him ideal candidate for 7.

Among 3 pacers, if Abbas is to play, I'll actually drop Hasan rather Rahat. On song Rahat is more penetrative than even Amir, and he is the only guy over 6' in this squad.

Agree with your team. I think Sami is the way to go in tests...he will come good but I don't know if Mickey and the team is going to open with Azhar (I hope they do).

You're right. Faheem should get a game ahead of Shadab...and based on how he does the team can switch them for the 2nd test.

I still think Asad should be moved up for two reasons:
1) He's scored mostly soft 100s coming at 6...there's no point in those. Maximum he has to bat at 5...preferably 4. If he fails..he fails...end of the road for him
2) He's been groomed to be the backbone after Misbah and Younis...he needs to be forced to take responsibility and sending him at 6 will not make much of a difference specially when 3-30 is a regular thing with Pak batting.

I think this would be my order:

1) Sami
2) Azhar
3) Babar
4) Asad
5) Harris
6) Saad
7) Sarfaraz
8) Faheed
9) Hassan
10) Amir
11) Rahat

I think Sarfraz shouldn't bat up the order since he can't build an innings. He's a busy player and will be better utilized to score those additional 40-50 runs the team needs down the order.

What happens when Yasir is fit though? If he Faheem does well as a batsman and bowler than it could make things tricky.

 

[boomboom6]

Rashid Latif always brings his Karachi bias into everything

Can't take him seriously

I don't think fawad should be discarded he should be given 2/3 series In uae in tests which will give us a clue to where his game is ,if misbah managed to come into the team at a much older age then fawad shouldn't be out of contention at 32 plus he is one of the fittest players in Pakistan

Rashid most certainly does not. What he calls for is selection based on merit. Tabish has taken something like 500 FC wickets. Now would he be a world beater or even international standard, probably not based on the little I have seen of him but the point is, players should be rewarded for their excellence in FC as generally top performers end up doing well in international as well.

If one player doesn't deliver you move on to the next domestic performer and give them an opportunity. This isn't rocket science.

 

[boomboom6]

If it was up to some PP experts we would play a bunch of lalloos and if it were up to Rashid Latif, we would play Karachi XI and not Pakistan. A guy who wants Khurram Manzoor in the team should never be taken seriously....

He has not called for Khurram's inclusion in quite a while but on merit he did warrant selection earlier since he was scoring in FC. But obviously it is not the case today so he hasn't called for his selection either.

His point is that players should be rewarded with selection when they are performing to see if they can do it at international level and that they should be given a proper chance to assess them instead of dropping them just a handful of matches later.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Maybe it will be good for Fawad Alam to try to secure a county contract - play a season. If he does well, there are 2-3 good seasons in Pakistan colors in it for him.

 

[Khan12]

Maybe it will be good for Fawad Alam to try to secure a county contract - play a season. If he does well, there are 2-3 good seasons in Pakistan colors in it for him.

He was struggling in club cricket there. Why would a county want to get him.

 

[Bilal7]

What is so special about this guy anyways? Can't clear the circle, has the ugliest batting stance of all time and is a total grafter who relies on singles for most of his runs. He's also nearing 35 years of age and is a middle-order batsman, of which we have no shortage in Pakistan.

I will take Babar, Imam, Haris and Saad over Fawad because they are all much younger, more talented and unlike Fawad, have actually managed to impress the coach, captain and selectors. Numbers are not the be all, end all. The people working behind the scenes can actually tell whether someone like Fawad can handle Jimmy Anderson at home or not.

And please, enough of the nepotism accusations. Imam has only now gotten a chance in the test team and this is not an easy tour either. Besides, like Inzamam said, the other selectors made the the call to include him in the team, not Inzi.

 

[waleed88]

Actually Pakistan drew the series against Australia 1-1 before that.

We were lucky it was only a 2 match series... we almost made a mess and holed out to a small chase against Aus... the fact that it ended 1-1 flattered our team more than Aus

 

[waleed88]

No, it doesn't work like that. Sachin doesn't have a 100 at Lord's but I think even Wasim does. Does that make Wasim better than SRT?

There are better players in line who are also young. They are a more worthy investment and it's time to build them. Like Saad Ali, Imam.

Read the post below:




Spot on. Excellent post.

Yes the old, there are more worthy names out there than Fawad arguement. As if having Fawad even present in the squad becomes a cardinal sin. That somewhat harms our cricketing fraternity, or makes us embarrassed in front of the world. On the contrary, the opposite is happening with Fawad's exclusion. Cricketing media from Cricket Australia to English cricket are talking about it, along with cricinfo. Credit to Pakistan for making such a mockery of our system like that. Pakistan cricket may have gotten rid of alot of stigmas associated with them, some prejudices still stand and have decadent of the system.

The fact that the man with the highest average in the history of Pakistan cricket managed to only play 3 matches for his country is a farce in itself. An inexcusable crime that can't be justified in any way whatsoever.

If I was told I was in the waiting list for 5-6 years, I would love to be on the first list sooner or later, rather than being told for your inferiors and juniors to jump ahead of you. If that happens, it wreaks of bias and bigotry rather than anything else.

No point having to have a system if those who play by the rules don't get the chance.

If I was waiting in a line to pay my bill, or waiting in line to get my tandoor ki roti, I would want my roti, I wouldn't want people who are behind me to come ahead of me and get to pay the bill before me or get my tandoor ki roti ahead of me... if its not happening for a long time... its just basic human decency.

 

[waleed88]

Have to agree with inzi this guy was struggling in club cricket here in the UK and the last time he played for us he was made to look like a tailenser by Maxwell. The like of haris,Babar,Saad and Usman are way better then him. By the way people mentioning Rashid needs to know he even wants us to pick pure no 11 khurram manzoor and tabish Khan. Unfortunately for fawad he choose the wrong career . I would have advised he to have given hockey a try as his technique is more suited there.

Yes because English pitches are such minefields, that no one can bat on them.. Saeed Ajmal can score a 50, Imran Farhat can score 50s on those pitches, mediocre batsmen like Faisal Iqbal can bat, while Zulqarnain Haider can score an 80, Kamran akmal can bat for infinite test matches despite failing every time.... Wasim and Waqar can win you a test match by making a partnership of 50, Saqlain mustaq can score 50s playing county in England....... but poooooooor Fawad Alam of all ppl, won't be able to get bat on ball because he can't hit a six.... my Godddddddd

 

[Hawkeye]

What is so special about this guy anyways? Can't clear the circle, has the ugliest batting stance of all time and is a total grafter who relies on singles for most of his runs. He's also nearing 35 years of age and is a middle-order batsman, of which we have no shortage in Pakistan.

I will take Babar, Imam, Haris and Saad over Fawad because they are all much younger, more talented and unlike Fawad, have actually managed to impress the coach, captain and selectors. Numbers are not the be all, end all. The people working behind the scenes can actually tell whether someone like Fawad can handle Jimmy Anderson at home or not.

And please, enough of the nepotism accusations. Imam has only now gotten a chance in the test team and this is not an easy tour either. Besides, like Inzamam said, the other selectors made the the call to include him in the team, not Inzi.

Spot on.

On the forums, Fawad is made out to be an ATG.

He may have been an option 5 years ago, but no place in the team as of now.

 

[Railu Katta]

What is so special about this guy anyways? Can't clear the circle, has the ugliest batting stance of all time and is a total grafter who relies on singles for most of his runs. He's also nearing 35 years of age and is a middle-order batsman, of which we have no shortage in Pakistan.

I will take Babar, Imam, Haris and Saad over Fawad because they are all much younger, more talented and unlike Fawad, have actually managed to impress the coach, captain and selectors. Numbers are not the be all, end all. The people working behind the scenes can actually tell whether someone like Fawad can handle Jimmy Anderson at home or not.

And please, enough of the nepotism accusations. Imam has only now gotten a chance in the test team and this is not an easy tour either. Besides, like Inzamam said, the other selectors made the the call to include him in the team, not Inzi.

Spot on.

On the forums, Fawad is made out to be an ATG.

He may have been an option 5 years ago, but no place in the team as of now.

Exactly he's being made out to be some special talent. If neither Sarfi, Inzi or Mickey see anything special in him, then he's probably rubbish. But PP armchair experts are the best at judging talent through stats where even khurram manzoor is a legend.

 

[Bilal7]

Have to agree with inzi this guy was struggling in club cricket here in the UK and the last time he played for us he was made to look like a tailenser by Maxwell. The like of haris,Babar,Saad and Usman are way better then him. By the way people mentioning Rashid needs to know he even wants us to pick pure no 11 khurram manzoor and tabish Khan. Unfortunately for fawad he choose the wrong career . I would have advised he to have given hockey a try as his technique is more suited there.

Struggling in club cricket in England? There you have it, folks. Please, let's wait for a test series in the UAE before asking for Fawad's return. He's not good enough to do well on a comeback series held in England.

 

[Bilal7]

Inzi doesn't rate Fawad. So we know why he isn't selected.

No one rates Fawad these days outside of his mohallay-wale. He's old, has the same flaws he did in 2013 and we have better options available.

However, I have nothing against the man and if he is selected for a home series, I hope he proves everyone wrong. However, the constant bombardment of 'justice for Fawad' slogans by his fans is getting annoying. How about you suppor the team instead of a single player?

 

[Hasan123]

No one rates Fawad these days outside of his mohallay-wale. He's old, has the same flaws he did in 2013 and we have better options available.

However, I have nothing against the man and if he is selected for a home series, I hope he proves everyone wrong. However, the constant bombardment of 'justice for Fawad' slogans by his fans is getting annoying. How about you suppor the team instead of a single player?

I didn't think Fawad should be selected .

I think he should have gotten a chance earlier but too late now. Don't see him scoring away from Asia. Doesn't have the technique to score against quality fast bowling.

 

[Khan12]

Yes because English pitches are such minefields, that no one can bat on them.. Saeed Ajmal can score a 50, Imran Farhat can score 50s on those pitches, mediocre batsmen like Faisal Iqbal can bat, while Zulqarnain Haider can score an 80, Kamran akmal can bat for infinite test matches despite failing every time.... Wasim and Waqar can win you a test match by making a partnership of 50, Saqlain mustaq can score 50s playing county in England....... but poooooooor Fawad Alam of all ppl, won't be able to get bat on ball because he can't hit a six.... my Godddddddd

All of them you mentioned had better technique then him
Plus this guy can't play pace and was poor in club cricket here so you expect him to do well against Anderson and co. I am not saying that he can't score 50s anyone can these days but unfortunately for him his is not good enough plus his hockey like stance won't get him far. Noone is talking about sixes here so don't know where you got that from. There are so many Batsmen in pakistan who are better then him it's a fact weather you like it or not and the selectors/coaches agree to.

 

[Khan12]

Struggling in club cricket in England? There you have it, folks. Please, let's wait for a test series in the UAE before asking for Fawad's return. He's not good enough to do well on a comeback series held in England.

I think he averaged around 30 add if I am not wrong.

 

[Titan24]

define merit .."cricketing potential plus technique is not definition of merit In which book can this find please give address so we can read "

As I have said earlier its not a university admission that if someone scores this many runs he will be selected in the national team.

In sports the merit is the potential to grow exponentially at highest level. There were many better players than Federer in junior tennis statistically, there were many better bowlers than Hassan Ali in One Day (List A) cricket statistically, There were many better batsmen than Joe Root statistically when he was selected and there are tons and tons of such examples.

Stats only matter at the highest level and national teams want players who can perform at international stage rather than someone who has been domestic giant but doesnt have the potential to replicate such performances against top sides of the world. To see that potential you need to have a selector who knows how to identify talent which I think Inzi is.

Fawad is now 32 years old, with an unorthodox technique and not scoring the same amount of runs as he was doing few years ago so its definitely hard on him not to be selected but thats how its is.

However I definitely believe he deserved more test matches 4, 5 years ago.

 

[daytrader]

I didn't think Fawad should be selected .

I think he should have gotten a chance earlier but too late now. Don't see him scoring away from Asia. Doesn't have the technique to score against quality fast bowling.

Please don't undermine Pakistan's fast bowling. Fawad has constantly been scoring against quality fast bowling his whole life

 

[Titan24]

If Inzi would have disliked Fawad Eng series was an ideal occasion for him to select Fawad for test matches being played in may and ball swinging miles and his chapter might have been closed till the end of the world

Ideally he would have saved Imam-ul-Haq for the UAE series.

Inzi has selected Imam for Eng tour which is being played in may and havent selected Fawad and some ppl believe its an injustice for Fawad. Come on guys.

 

[Ami Perth]

Inzi has said better player than Fawad Alam is a joke...better players they cant achieve target of only 120 in last test series against Sri Lankan weakest team in their favourable suited conditions of UAE? if Fawad Alam was picked then results would be completely different altogether Pakistan would have won the series 2.0 margin instead of 2.0 defeat.. these better player could not win the odis series in New Zealand..why then people didn't ask the Chairman Selection Committee about disastrous performance of these better players...in my opinion after Misbah and Younis, Fawad Alam should have been included in the regardless his batting performance or technique...

 

[Ami Perth]

Please don't watch cricket you don't have an eye to see cricketing skill..a batsman having great first class batting average above all batsmen in the country..you compare to him those who have half batting averages.

 

[Ami Perth]

Very good statement for defending inzi in this crisis situation..to save him from his biased approach towards selection..if Fawad Alam would have been selected he would be the top scorer..my friend..please don't wach cricket if you don't have cricketing eys..

 

[waleed88]

All of them you mentioned had better technique then him
Plus this guy can't play pace and was poor in club cricket here so you expect him to do well against Anderson and co. I am not saying that he can't score 50s anyone can these days but unfortunately for him his is not good enough plus his hockey like stance won't get him far. Noone is talking about sixes here so don't know where you got that from. There are so many Batsmen in pakistan who are better then him it's a fact weather you like it or not and the selectors/coaches agree to.

Saeed Ajmal has a better technique, and Saqlain too lol... bro have you seen Saqlain and Ajmal bat? They have zero bat lift, and slouching that people complain about is a probelm with all our batsman not just fawad. Saeed's front leg hardly moves yet he managed a 50...

 

[waleed88]

Inzi has said better player than Fawad Alam is a joke...better players they cant achieve target of only 120 in last test series against Sri Lankan weakest team in their favourable suited conditions of UAE? if Fawad Alam was picked then results would be completely different altogether Pakistan would have won the series 2.0 margin instead of 2.0 defeat.. these better player could not win the odis series in New Zealand..why then people didn't ask the Chairman Selection Committee about disastrous performance of these better players...in my opinion after Misbah and Younis, Fawad Alam should have been included in the regardless his batting performance or technique...

To think after the disastrous series against Lanka, there would've been some sense knocked into Inzi after seeing his team get whitewashed by a team, who was getting pulverized by India in their homes... crazy

 

[waleed88]

No one rates Fawad these days outside of his mohallay-wale. He's old, has the same flaws he did in 2013 and we have better options available.

However, I have nothing against the man and if he is selected for a home series, I hope he proves everyone wrong. However, the constant bombardment of 'justice for Fawad' slogans by his fans is getting annoying. How about you suppor the team instead of a single player?

First team is almost a given, we demand a change to policy after a shambolic whitewash against lanka, a team that never smelled a series defeat in the UAE, got whitewashed by a Srilankan side that was absolutely destroyed by an Indian side... This Lankan side is the weakest in our history.

Not only that the cardinal sin of having so many right handers facing against Rangana herath our nemesis, you can't be held unaccountable for that. If Alam had to be selected, the UAE series was a much better bet. Clearly the agendas are different since Alam was not considered for England, Australia, NZ, WI, and we were told he WILL be selected after MisYou retired....

 

[waleed88]

Exactly he's being made out to be some special talent. If neither Sarfi, Inzi or Mickey see anything special in him, then he's probably rubbish. But PP armchair experts are the best at judging talent through stats where even khurram manzoor is a legend.

Sarf voted for Fawad's inclusion, as per reports...

 

[MMHS]

Fawad should have been selected in UAE (SRL) series. I actually wrote then that if they don't consider him now, probably won't ever, which is apparent now. If they don't consider him against SRL in UAE, don't think they'll ever consider him against ENG away and he is already into 30s.

 

[jusarrived]

I will never understand how some one like fawad has fans? Looked like a tailender every time I saw him bat.

 

[KhanNn]

I'm more saddened about Sadaf's non-selection

 

[asifp]

I will never understand how some one like fawad has fans? Looked like a tailender every time I saw him bat.

Why does it matter how he "looks". This is the silliest argument ever. He can be showing his butt to the batsman, as long as he scored, i dont care.

You win matches by scoring runs, not looking pretty.

And whenever Fawad has been given an extended run he scores. Plain and simple

 

[Railu Katta]

Sarf voted for Fawad's inclusion, as per reports...

IDK about reports but Inzi specifically mentioned that the captain and coach agreed on picking Saad Ali over Fawad "Technique" Alam.

 

[Railu Katta]

Why does it matter how he "looks". This is the silliest argument ever. He can be showing his butt to the batsman, as long as he scored, i dont care.

You win matches by scoring runs, not looking pretty.

And whenever Fawad has been given an extended run he scores. Plain and simple

His whole game is tuk and run like a madman with a helmet that's 3 sizes too big ). In 2014, the aussies cut off his singles and he got out on single digits. That's basically how you deal with Fawad Alam. [MENTION=138958]Khan12[/MENTION] [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION]

 

[JaDed]

Why does it matter how he "looks". This is the silliest argument ever. He can be showing his butt to the batsman, as long as he scored, i dont care.

You win matches by scoring runs, not looking pretty.

And whenever Fawad has been given an extended run he scores. Plain and simple

He meant his batting.

 

[amvbfm]

How is that a bad thing in test cricket? He isn't being selected for T20 cricket. The 2014 series was ODIs and that is where Fawad has been doubly wronged. We all know his game is more suited to the longer version yet the few chances he has gotten have mostly been for limited overs cricket and his failures in that format (even there he wasn't a total failure and better than a lot of other batsmen who got far more chances than him) were taken as evidence of him not being good enough for international cricket.

 

[jusarrived]

Why does it matter how he "looks". This is the silliest argument ever. He can be showing his butt to the batsman, as long as he scored, i dont care.

You win matches by scoring runs, not looking pretty.

And whenever Fawad has been given an extended run he scores. Plain and simple

By "looks" I mean hes bats like a tailender . No talent , no technique weak against both spin and pace .

 

[Khan12]

Saeed Ajmal has a better technique, and Saqlain too lol... bro have you seen Saqlain and Ajmal bat? They have zero bat lift, and slouching that people complain about is a probelm with all our batsman not just fawad. Saeed's front leg hardly moves yet he managed a 50...

Since you was trolling I said all of them had better technique that didn't include the tail enders. Anyone these days can score a 50 but doing it on consistent basis against good team is beyond fawad IMO.

 

[Khan12]

His whole game is tuk and run like a madman with a helmet that's 3 sizes too big ). In 2014, the aussies cut off his singles and he got out on single digits. That's basically how you deal with Fawad Alam. [MENTION=138958]Khan12[/MENTION] [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION]

You are being to kind by bringing up Australia. He was batting like a tail enders against Bangladesh. All he can do it lock it around once you cut that he got no game to counter it. As ramiz raja said to him the other day that even he wouldn't have picked him if he was the selector and told him to work on his technique lool and fawad was sitting therr.

 

[Big Mac]

By "looks" I mean hes bats like a tailender . No talent , no technique weak against both spin and pace .

I will take a tailender that scores runs over a "talent" like Junior Akmal or a "classy" player like James Vince.

 

[Hasan123]

His whole game is tuk and run like a madman with a helmet that's 3 sizes too big ). In 2014, the aussies cut off his singles and he got out on single digits. That's basically how you deal with Fawad Alam. [MENTION=138958]Khan12[/MENTION] [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION]

He is too limited to succeed outside of Asia.

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

His stats compared to other players when he last toured England.



Outscored most of the other 'classy' batsmen in the lineup including

 

[amvbfm]

By "looks" I mean hes bats like a tailender . No talent , no technique weak against both spin and pace .

What makes you say he doesn't have any talent? I am sure you are basing that on some solid objective criterion and its not just your opinion. Please share that with us. As for technique, I completely agree with you that he has the weirdest technique of any Pakistani batsman, ever. But then Umar Amin and Shan Masood have perfectly solid techniques. Umar Amin has 99 runs in 8 innings in England, Masood has 71 in 4. By your logic they shouldn't have had a problem facing Anderson and Broad. I wonder why they failed so badly.

I don't support Fawad blindly, and I admit that there are many flaws in his game but there is also no doubt that he has been treated unfairly and always kept out of the team on flimsy grounds, mostly presumptions about his technique. Even if we discount his stellar domestic record, there are so many other things like his attitude, fitness, fielding, grit, experience, that make him eligible to at least get a fair chance to prove himself. And while they would never admit so openly, even his biggest critics would agree that he at least deserves that: one fair chance to prove himself. Alas, I for one don't see that happening and it is really sad not just for Fawd but also for Pakistani cricket as a whole as it sets a very bad precedent, that hard work and determination and merit are not worth anything.

 

[jusarrived]

I will take a tailender that scores runs over a "talent" like Junior Akmal or a "classy" player like James Vince.

So would I , if he could score runs .

 

[The Yorker]

Fawad should definitely be in the first 11 for test team. He is fitter than most and a very good fielder and an excellent batsman who will give vital experience for the test team. It’s beyond me why he is being ignored considering the dross that’s represented Pakistan over the years.

 

[ManFan]

What happened to Fawad was unfair but this was the right decision.

 

[amvbfm]

So would I , if he could score runs .

Maybe I am missing something but his player profile on cricinfo shows a combined total of more than 20,000 under the column titled runs. Strange!

 

[Manager101]

First when Inzamam-ul-Haq was captain, he didn't let Asim Kamal to settle in the team and now he is not selecting Fawad Alam who deserves to be in test side.

 

[Bilal7]

First team is almost a given, we demand a change to policy after a shambolic whitewash against lanka, a team that never smelled a series defeat in the UAE, got whitewashed by a Srilankan side that was absolutely destroyed by an Indian side... This Lankan side is the weakest in our history.

Not only that the cardinal sin of having so many right handers facing against Rangana herath our nemesis, you can't be held unaccountable for that. If Alam had to be selected, the UAE series was a much better bet. Clearly the agendas are different since Alam was not considered for England, Australia, NZ, WI, and we were told he WILL be selected after MisYou retired....

Calm down. Our test team is in transition right now whereas India has a settled team and all of them know their game. There is no comparison here. You don't drop 22-year-olds just because they had one poor series after the retirement of your legendary stalwarts. That is not how you build a team and I for one am glad that we have Inzamam selecting our teams instead of you trigger-happy fans.

No one gave you a guarantee that your beloved will be given a shot after Misbah and Younis. This is the Pakistan national team, not some IPL team where the owners decide who plays and who doesn't. Fawad failed to impress the coach, captain, selectors and the majority of Pakistan and thus, was not selected. Babar, Haris, Usman, Saad, Imam, Fakhar, Shafiq and Azhar did and thus, they are in the team.

His stats compared to other players when he last toured England.

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Outscored most of the other 'classy' batsmen in the lineup including

Eight years ago.

Let's bring back Kamran Akmal as well since he was clearly the best batsman on that tour.

 

[Bilal7]

First when Inzamam-ul-Haq was captain, he didn't let Asim Kamal to settle in the team and now he is not selecting Fawad Alam who deserves to be in test side.

Unfortunately, if you can't impress your captain and chief selector with your batting, you don't "deserve" to be in the team.

By the way, Fawad averages in the low-40s with the bat in test cricket and this record was compiled back when he was at his peak. How much higher is he going to average now that he is nearly 35 years of age and Pakistan have to tour England and South Africa this year?

Don't blame Inzamam for the previous selectors not selecting Fawad. He did not say it outright but its clear tha Inzi thinks that Fawad should have been in the team 3-4 years ago.

 

[waleed88]

Since you was trolling I said all of them had better technique that didn't include the tail enders. Anyone these days can score a 50 but doing it on consistent basis against good team is beyond fawad IMO.

Yes like Babar Azam, a consistent performance with single digit score for 10 innings, of which there were 5 zeroes consecutively. The chosen boy is still dubbed as the best youngster ever produced by Pakistan.. mockery and sham of this system. He's included so that we gets to play in English conditions for next year's world cup. A freeloader with no merit of performance. But yes consistency is ever present in this format.

 

[waleed88]

Calm down. Our test team is in transition right now whereas India has a settled team and all of them know their game. There is no comparison here. You don't drop 22-year-olds just because they had one poor series after the retirement of your legendary stalwarts. That is not how you build a team and I for one am glad that we have Inzamam selecting our teams instead of you trigger-happy fans.

No one gave you a guarantee that your beloved will be given a shot after Misbah and Younis. This is the Pakistan national team, not some IPL team where the owners decide who plays and who doesn't. Fawad failed to impress the coach, captain, selectors and the majority of Pakistan and thus, was not selected. Babar, Haris, Usman, Saad, Imam, Fakhar, Shafiq and Azhar did and thus, they are in the team.



Eight years ago.

Let's bring back Kamran Akmal as well since he was clearly the best batsman on that tour.

Meri jaan these are ODIs, we are talking about tests... Kamran Akmal was an omission in tests after his dropped catches in Sydney test remember??? Ding Ding!!

 

[waleed88]

Calm down. Our test team is in transition right now whereas India has a settled team and all of them know their game. There is no comparison here. You don't drop 22-year-olds just because they had one poor series after the retirement of your legendary stalwarts. That is not how you build a team and I for one am glad that we have Inzamam selecting our teams instead of you trigger-happy fans.

No one gave you a guarantee that your beloved will be given a shot after Misbah and Younis. This is the Pakistan national team, not some IPL team where the owners decide who plays and who doesn't. Fawad failed to impress the coach, captain, selectors and the majority of Pakistan and thus, was not selected. Babar, Haris, Usman, Saad, Imam, Fakhar, Shafiq and Azhar did and thus, they are in the team

https://www.dawn.com/news/1402034/rashid-latif-slams-selection-committee-for-ignoring-fawad - Rashid Latif

Not only that Inzamam said this himself in an interview, that Fawad Alam is on our radar, he shouldn't be disheartened, we will call him soon and he will get a chance in any of the upcoming tours... its been 2 years since that statement, just for him to give another statement with the same exact phrases used... point is you will be held accountable for your lies eventually.. people won't buy it anymore and sooner or later you will have consequences..

If the guy has any grudge or beef, better say it openly rather than hiding behind the bushes so we know what is up

This pressure on the team before the tour is only Inzi's doing.. no one else's

 

[Bilal7]

Meri jaan these are ODIs, we are talking about tests... Kamran Akmal was an omission in tests after his dropped catches in Sydney test remember??? Ding Ding!!

You're right, I apologize for trusting that hero who is trying to justify Fawad's inclusion in the test team based on what he did in a few ODIs eight years ago.

 

[Bilal7]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1402034/rashid-latif-slams-selection-committee-for-ignoring-fawad - Rashid Latif

Not only that Inzamam said this himself in an interview, that Fawad Alam is on our radar, he shouldn't be disheartened, we will call him soon and he will get a chance in any of the upcoming tours... its been 2 years since that statement, just for him to give another statement with the same exact phrases used... point is you will be held accountable for your lies eventually.. people won't buy it anymore and sooner or later you will have consequences..

If the guy has any grudge or beef, better say it openly rather than hiding behind the bushes so we know what is up

This pressure on the team before the tour is only Inzi's doing.. no one else's

Please stop with the damn conspiracy theories. Fawad was not picked because he barely averaged over 40 in the QEA trophy and is 32 years old. Everyone else has either outperformed him, has a much higher ceiling by virtue of their age or both.

Fawad was named in the preliminary squad of 25 and so, there is no agenda against him, he simply is not a better batsman than the others picked above him.

Yes, had Fawad been selected, the team would be under no pressure and winning a series in England was guranteed.

 

[waleed88]

You're right, I apologize for trusting that hero who is trying to justify Fawad's inclusion in the test team based on what he did in a few ODIs eight years ago.

I have no interest in Fawad's ODI exploits... I have always maintained that Test match is his strongest format.

 

[waleed88]

Please stop with the damn conspiracy theories. Fawad was not picked because he barely averaged over 40 in the QEA trophy and is 32 years old. Everyone else has either outperformed him, has a much higher ceiling by virtue of their age or both.

Fawad was named in the preliminary squad of 25 and so, there is no agenda against him, he simply is not a better batsman than the others picked above him.

Yes, had Fawad been selected, the team would be under no pressure and winning a series in England was guranteed.

Last time I checked, 32 is not 40

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

Eight years ago.

Let's bring back Kamran Akmal as well since he was clearly the best batsman on that tour.

The main reason Kamran Akmal is not in the team is because of his awful fielding. He can't catch a cold even if he wanted to.

 

[srh]

apparently Fawad Alam was not good in facing fast bowling in the training camp (weak against both seam and swing) and thus was not able to get trust of selection committee and coaching staff. But he was very good against spinners in the training camp.
Meanwhile Saad Ali bat good against fast bowling in the training camp and thats why he was selected.

https://www.nawaiwaqt.com.pk/20-Apr-2018/808682

 

[Khan12]

Yes like Babar Azam, a consistent performance with single digit score for 10 innings, of which there were 5 zeroes consecutively. The chosen boy is still dubbed as the best youngster ever produced by Pakistan.. mockery and sham of this system. He's included so that we gets to play in English conditions for next year's world cup. A freeloader with no merit of performance. But yes consistency is ever present in this format.

Weather you like it our not the chosen boy will end up playing for 15 years while fawad fiqures out if his technique is more suited to cricket or hockey. This fact is that Babar is 100 times the Batsmen fawad will ever be. I know Babar gives you sleepless nights but you don't need to bring him all the time.

 

[Pete Rose]

Speaking of injustice, Pakistan's best test opener after Anwar was Taufeeq Umar, he scored a century and two half centuries on his debut tour to South Africa - guys like moyo, yk, and inzi floundered consistently on that tour.
Woolmer Uncle dropped him after that tour for Imran Farhat to Australia!
Now THAT is injustice.
Performing well against Sri Lanka has been the biggest bane for Pakistan cricket, as it has allowed guys like Hafeez, Malik, and Afridi to stay in the team ten years longer than possible.
So I put little weight in Fawad Alam's performance vs. SL

 

[New Yorker]

My starting XI for Lord's is probably -

Azhar
Sami
Babar
Hari
Sarfraz
Asad
Saad Ali
Fahim
Amir
Hasan
Rahat
------------------

...

Among 3 pacers, if Abbas is to play, I'll actually drop Hasan rather Rahat. On song Rahat is more penetrative than even Amir, and he is the only guy over 6' in this squad.

I am no fan of Amir in Tests, but that's a bit like saying, "when flying, pigs are faster than even hawks."

Hard to think of a bowler who struggles more than Rahat to sustain a song. He has never taken a 10 fer in his entire first class career. Ever.

Hasan has 2.

A dismal Test average and no notable performances in domestics to recommend him, beyond a good PSL. Baffling that Rahat keeps getting chances.

 

[waleed88]

Weather you like it our not the chosen boy will end up playing for 15 years while fawad fiqures out if his technique is more suited to cricket or hockey. This fact is that Babar is 100 times the Batsmen fawad will ever be. I know Babar gives you sleepless nights but you don't need to bring him all the time.

Yes, 100 times the batsman, with 100 times more opportunities, and a 100 times likeability, combined with 100 times more failiures. Guy has been responsible for 8-9 defeats already in his 11 match Test Career, by failing to show up after being dubbed the no.3 batsman of our country for the next 10 years... All those white washes, yes Babar had a big role in those..

But yes carry on living on the moon..

Also Fawad might have a technique of a hockey batsman, but a former hockey player in his college days is now Pakistan's greatest ever captain... so sorry to bust your bubble, but technique has no role in defining a player's caliber.. if you have a problem don't take my word, but the word of the Younis Khan in his defence for Fawad..

 

[waleed88]

I am no fan of Amir in Tests, but that's a bit like saying, "when flying, pigs are faster than even hawks."

Hard to think of a bowler who struggles more than Rahat to sustain a song. He has never taken a 10 fer in his entire first class career. Ever.

Hasan has 2.

A dismal Test average and no notable performances in domestics to recommend him, beyond a good PSL. Baffling that Rahat keeps getting chances.

If Amir can get selected despite having zero wickets in the wickets column for infinite matches, what harm will Rahat do? He actually bowled really well in England, but was benched unfairly because chosen one had to play his quota of matches to prove the world he can bowl in England and take tailenders out

 

[asifp]

His whole game is tuk and run like a madman with a helmet that's 3 sizes too big ). In 2014, the aussies cut off his singles and he got out on single digits. That's basically how you deal with Fawad Alam. [MENTION=138958]Khan12[/MENTION] [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION]

so now Fawad has one or two bad series and he is no longer considered good enough?

Ponting looked like an absolute fool when visting India at the start of his career.

Anyone can have a few bad series, heck Babar Azam and Asad Shafiq have only had bad series in recent times. Let me tell you something, Fawad in the UAE would be averaging near 60. A person who can score 100 on debut in Sri Lanka against Murali, can sure score mamoth runs against much easier bowling in the UAE.

Yet we stick with ultimate rubbish like Asad Shafiq .