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I want to play Test cricket for England: Duanne Olivier [Update Post #64]

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The Yorkshire County Cricket Club is delighted to announce the signing of fast bowler Duanne Olivier, who will join the club ahead of the 2019 campaign, subject to clearance through Kolpak regulations.

The White Rose beat off competition from a number of other counties to secure the signature of the Groblersdal-born 26-year-old. Olivier has penned an initial three-year deal with the Club and will link up with his new team-mates for the first time during the fortnight-long pre-season tour to Potchefstroom early next month.

The South African quick made his Test debut in January 2017, and has since taken 48 wickets in 10 Tests at an average of 19.25. He is just one short of 400 wickets in the 96 First-Class matches he has played to date and was the leading wicket-taker for the Knights in 2018-2019, Cricket South Africa’s four-day franchise series, notching 27 dismissals in six matches.

Olivier told yorkshireccc.com: “I came over to the UK last year and thoroughly enjoyed my time playing county cricket. I have since realised I could happily base myself there for the foreseeable future. I was originally looking to come back as an overseas player but when I got a long-term offer from Yorkshire as a Kolpak I knew that signing for the Club would be the best option for both myself and my family. I am a bowler that wants to keep pushing myself to see how far I can go and as I enter my prime I want to be in the best possible situation to grow. Another big reason was the longevity of my career.

“I would say I’ve been in good form for the last few years. It has definitely been my most consistent period and I think my stats could attest to that. I have definitely enjoyed playing Test cricket. The Pakistan tour was by far my stand-out tour. I loved every moment of that tour. It’s definitely one I won’t forget.”

In December 2018 he took 24 wickets across the three Tests against Pakistan and was named the player of the series. He backed that up seven wickets in the two-match contest against Sri Lanka, which ultimately finished in defeat for the Proteas in Port Elizabeth.

His recent form has prompted a rise to 19 in the ICC’s Test bowling rankings.

“I would be lying if I said this wasn’t a difficult decision to make,” he added. “It’s giving up playing for my country with no guarantees of playing international cricket again. But at the end of the day, I needed to be true to myself. I’ve only got this one chance to see where my talent can take me and Yorkshire just felt right to me.

“I can be whatever type of bowler the team needs me to be. I think there is a lot of stigma around the fact that people think I can only bowl short balls because that is what I’ve done in Test matches. And it couldn’t be further from the truth. If my team has asked me to bowl short, that’s what I’ll do. I will fill the enforcer role if needed and sometimes the team will need me to be a backup where my job is to tire out and frustrate the batsmen so that another strike bowler may come and take the wicket. I think my strength lies in my flexibility to fill whatever role is required of me. I do like to be the guy the captain goes to when things get tough. And I prefer bowling longer spells.”

Director of Cricket Martyn Moxon continued: “We’re delighted that Duanne has agreed to join us. He’s a proven wicket-taker as we’ve seen in the series’ against Pakistan and Sri Lanka recently. He’s also got genuine pace so he gives us a different dimension within our seam bowling attack. We’re mindful that we’ve got some talented young seamers, but several of them have had injuries so we have to manage them carefully over the next couple of years. It gives us that strength in depth to compete on all fronts.

“To get someone of Duanne’s ability is a huge boost and we’re all looking forward to him joining us. He will meet the lads in Potchefstroom for about six days and the plan is for him to get over here in time for the Leeds-Bradford MCCU game.

“We hope it’s going to be a long-term signing, it’s for an initial three years but we’re hoping it will be for longer than that. As a person in the dressing room, I think he’ll be really strong for us. I think the fact he’s giving up international cricket for South Africa to play here shows his commitment and I think he’ll be a great asset for us.

“He played for Derbyshire and we were impressed with what we saw. We’ve tracked his career in South Africa and obviously he has been selected for the Test team and we’ve seen what he’s capable of in international cricket. He’s an impressive man as well as a cricketer and he’s very ambitious going forwards.”

First XI Coach Andrew Gale said: “Duanne has been on the radar for a while. We’ve kept our eye on him and he’s obviously had a fantastic time over the winter in South Africa. To sign someone of his quality will be a great addition to our squad.

“We want the young, Yorkshire bowlers to come through, the likes of Ben Coad, Matthew Fisher, Josh Shaw and Matthew Waite, but at this moment in time I’m not sure they can handle the workload of playing every game. To bring in an experienced bowler like Duanne will take the pressure off them. He’s a proven wicket-taker, a man who is right at the top of his game and in great form at the moment.

“To be successful, particularly in championship cricket, you need to have seven or eight front-line seamers. Playing most of our cricket up north at Emerald Headingley, Scarborough and York this year, the pitches are going to offer a bit to seamers. We need strength and depth and we’ve certainly got that now.

“We watched him bowl for Derbyshire last year, and he did really well. To sign a guy who is right at the top of his game, in his prime is fantastic, and he will fit in really well.”

Olivier will wear shirt number 74 for the White Rose in 2019.
 
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Shocked at this decision but I think South Africa have better bowlers coming through.
 
There must be something seriously wrong with South African cricket if so many players keep on walking away despite being good enough and young enough to still play for the national side.
 
He says the $signs of T20 cricket, but with Ngidi back and Norte also developing, Saffers will be fine.
 
What a waste.

Something is seriously wrong in South Africa.
 
Why couldn't he do it before the Pakistan series lol

Sri Lanka played him much better and only gave him 7 wickets.
 
Wow that came out of nowhere. He was definitely good enough to still play for south Africa even if Ngidi wasn't injured.
 
SA will now even be afraid of selecting good white players as once they get to play for SA a little bit they get a lot of deals in county cricket and considering the quota system in SA, more often than not they accept the offers.
 
Must have been the shame of losing test series to SL which caused him to quit.
 
CRICKET SOUTH AFRICA (CSA) today expressed its disappointment at Standard Bank Proteas fast bowler Duanne Olivier’s decision to reject a national contract and continue his career as a Kolpak player in the England county championship.

“We find it extremely disappointing that Duanne has taken this step after all the opportunities we have given him, particularly over the past season and going forward, to live his dream of being an international cricketer,” commented CSA Chief Executive Thabang Moroe.

“He was upgraded to a national contract during the current season on the strength of his outstanding performances in our Test squad and we offered him a two-year contract which would have given him financial security through to the end of the 2020-2021 season.

“He was not short of opportunity either as he played in all six Castle Lager Test matches against Pakistan and Sri Lanka during the current summer and was also considered for white ball selection.

“If one looks at the bigger picture this is not good news for the global game either that a player who has just broken into the top 20 on the ICC Test match bowling rankings for the first time should opt effectively to bring down the curtain on his international career in favour of playing only in domestic leagues,” concluded Mr. Moroe.

Proteas head coach Ottis Gibson echoed Mr. Moroe’s sentiments. “We are naturally disappointed with Duanne’s decision to sign a Kolpak contract. He has been a key feature for us this summer and was without a doubt one of our standout performers. We held several meetings with him regarding his future with the Proteas throughout the summer and even offered him a two-year contract. To see him cut short a promising international career is disappointing. Ultimately, it was a decision we could not control despite our best efforts.”

CSA expects to announce the contracted Proteas men’s and women’s squads for the next 12 months later this week.
 
South African players actually don't earn that well when playing for South Africa, a large portion of their earnings depends on endorsements, sponsors, playing league and county cricket. Plus once the players retire and quit, the money stops coming in unless you are a big established name and therefore players are forced to think about their financial future and their families ahead of the country.

Just read up on how Grame Pollock was forced to reach out to the BCCI for financial help as there was no one to help him in South Africa in his old age. Even Daryl Cullinan and Makhaya Ntini have run into financial problems later on.
 
So who is going to blame affirmative action now? Olivier was given every chance possible and has still signed to betray his country.
 
if i was an international player i'd definitely aim more for an IPL/PSL/CPL/BBL/BPL contract.
 
So who is going to blame affirmative action now? Olivier was given every chance possible and has still signed to betray his country.

Maybe Cricket South Africa needs to request the govt to scrap this deal with the EU or make sure Cricketers in particular are no longer eligible for Kolpak deals. Secondly they look into improving the pays for the national players and giving them more security so they don't have to worry about life after retirement.
 
Such a pity.

"I’ve only got this one chance to see where my talent can take me and Yorkshire just felt right to me."

Perhaps something was said behind closed doors?


So who is going to blame affirmative action now? Olivier was given every chance possible and has still signed to betray his country.

CSA only offered him a two year contract. Where an ENGLISH CLUB started with a three year deal. Perhaps CSA should have guaranteed him more. I'm quite sure he considered his own skin colour and the quota system in his final decision.
 
South African players actually don't earn that well when playing for South Africa, a large portion of their earnings depends on endorsements, sponsors, playing league and county cricket. Plus once the players retire and quit, the money stops coming in unless you are a big established name and therefore players are forced to think about their financial future and their families ahead of the country.

Just read up on how Grame Pollock was forced to reach out to the BCCI for financial help as there was no one to help him in South Africa in his old age. Even Daryl Cullinan and Makhaya Ntini have run into financial problems later on.


No idea what they do with all their earnings. They also have a good option with coaching and commentary as their next source of earnings once they retire.
 
SA pacers being poached mercilessly . Sad to see a good prospect leave international cricket .
 
Maybe Cricket South Africa needs to request the govt to scrap this deal with the EU or make sure Cricketers in particular are no longer eligible for Kolpak deals. Secondly they look into improving the pays for the national players and giving them more security so they don't have to worry about life after retirement.

I agree, the problem is that domestic and international level cricketers are not paid enough compared to their counterparts elsewhere....but they are still paid well above the national norm and that is nothing to be scoffed at. I think the players are just far too greedy and with the Kolpak example set by so many in the past, it has become a viable route, even if a lot of them do not end up as England regulars.
 
Such a pity.

"I’ve only got this one chance to see where my talent can take me and Yorkshire just felt right to me."

Perhaps something was said behind closed doors?




CSA only offered him a two year contract. Where an ENGLISH CLUB started with a three year deal. Perhaps CSA should have guaranteed him more. I'm quite sure he considered his own skin colour and the quota system in his final decision.

But the quota system has not affected him and a 2 year deal is very good. Why is that to be scoffed at?
 
But the quota system has not affected him and a 2 year deal is very good. Why is that to be scoffed at?

The quota system affects every single player in South African sport.

In regards to the contract: Certainty, I would say. I'm sure there must have been a counteroffer and some form of negotiation (failed or not). I doubt any Saffer would give up playing for his country the first chance he gets without going to CSA with some terms or informing them of the English offer.

"We held several meetings with him regarding his future with the Proteas throughout the summer and even offered him a two-year contract. To see him cut short a promising international career is disappointing. Ultimately, it was a decision we could not control despite our best efforts." - Ottis Gibson

From the above quote, it seems they probably couldn't meet some non-negotiable demands. Whether the demands were unreasonable, or CSA unwilling to budge, I'm unable to say. Fact is, we lost a valuable asset.
 
The quota system affects every single player in South African sport.

In regards to the contract: Certainty, I would say. I'm sure there must have been a counteroffer and some form of negotiation (failed or not). I doubt any Saffer would give up playing for his country the first chance he gets without going to CSA with some terms or informing them of the English offer.

"We held several meetings with him regarding his future with the Proteas throughout the summer and even offered him a two-year contract. To see him cut short a promising international career is disappointing. Ultimately, it was a decision we could not control despite our best efforts." - Ottis Gibson

From the above quote, it seems they probably couldn't meet some non-negotiable demands. Whether the demands were unreasonable, or CSA unwilling to budge, I'm unable to say. Fact is, we lost a valuable asset.

Again, just stay factual. Olivier was continuously picked for SA in tests and was just starting to make headway in ODIs. Often the reason given as to why SA players leave SA is because of this quota system nonsense. IN this case, it can not be used as an excuse, which is why I raised it in ironic fashion.

Fact is, the players have become gluttonous and found an easier, more lucrative route through county cricket.

Every cricket fan in South Africa must face up to the selfishness of their players.
 
Like I said, maybe Cricket South Africa needs to take this up at the govt level to get rid of this Kolpak loophole the players are exploiting
 
He's done the maths and thought about the dollars.

County cricket guaranteed, play in as many T20 leagues around the world as he wants versus playing for his country.
 
He's done the maths and thought about the dollars.

County cricket guaranteed, play in as many T20 leagues around the world as he wants versus playing for his country.

T20 Leagues worldwide are a lot more risky, you have to be at the top of your game season after season to be in demand, also the trend in the IPL is changing, the Indian players are the ones being paid top dollar i.e. $1,000,000 plus, the Foreign players because of their desperation to play in the IPL are usually in the range of $300,000 to $600,000.

The likes of Andrew Symonds, Kevin Pieterson, Brendon Mccullam and co thought they could enjoy a lavish retirement and bank on the IPL money but the IPL benched these players and didn't pick them in the drafts later on.

I think Cricket South Africa needs to work with the govt and close down this Kolpak loophole.
 
T20 Leagues worldwide are a lot more risky, you have to be at the top of your game season after season to be in demand, also the trend in the IPL is changing, the Indian players are the ones being paid top dollar i.e. $1,000,000 plus, the Foreign players because of their desperation to play in the IPL are usually in the range of $300,000 to $600,000.

The likes of Andrew Symonds, Kevin Pieterson, Brendon Mccullam and co thought they could enjoy a lavish retirement and bank on the IPL money but the IPL benched these players and didn't pick them in the drafts later on.

I think Cricket South Africa needs to work with the govt and close down this Kolpak loophole.

Not risky at all for a player like Olivier:

Big County deal - 4-day, 50-over, T20 and 100-over competitions
T20 leagues all around the world
T10 also
 
Not a post on ridiculing Kolpak rule, or blame on ECB! Imagine if the player has quit playing international games for IPL (technically player can't do that unless they get a NOC from their respective board). Why is this not an evil deed by county or an ECB?
 
Not a post on ridiculing Kolpak rule, or blame on ECB! Imagine if the player has quit playing international games for IPL (technically player can't do that unless they get a NOC from their respective board). Why is this not an evil deed by county or an ECB?

Because there's absoloutely nothing the ECB can do about it except remove the internatonal cricket ban for kolpaks, however that would make ridicule of the entire English domestic system.
 
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Because there's absoloutely nothing the ECB can do about it except remove the internatonal cricket ban for kolpaks, however that would make ridicule of the entire English domestic system.

So, basically ECB is looking after it's property i.e. County cricket. Don't you think this rule is ridiculous.
 
So, basically ECB is looking after it's property i.e. County cricket. Don't you think this rule is ridiculous.

It is ridiculous, but the Counties love it as it gets them international players within their team and they aren't classed as foreigners.
 
So, basically ECB is looking after it's property i.e. County cricket. Don't you think this rule is ridiculous.

If the ECB allow kolpaks to play internatioal cricket then it's no longer going to be English domestic cricket is it? There'd be nothing disincetivisng tons of players from South Africa, Zimbabwe, the Carribean etc. all coming over each season and suddenly it's a combined European/South African/Zimbabwean/Carribean etc. domestic league. The rule is in place to try and stop players from going kolpak.
 
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Has this got anything to do with the anti-white wave in SA? I saw on youtube that many SA whites are going to Australia.
 
Was very shocked at this decision. Don't understand why you'd do this at the peak of your career. Snake. He was man of the series against Pakistan, he really could have been great for SA but he's ditched them for county cricket. Lost a lot of respect for him.
 
Sale ko pehle hosh nahi aya. Series loss kara ke bhag gaya
 
Another play goes the kolpak route. How disappointing. SAF have more talented bowlers like Norte but this is still a huge blow. Two promising bowlers in Abbot and Olivier have left.
 
the value of the rand has been destroyed over the past 15 odd years. additionally if brexit happens the door will shut on all these kolpak moves, so its not something he could put off for a few years.

finally i think if not racial quotas, then identity of race must have something to do with it. i mean i hope some saff posters can comment, but he seems to be from a rural farming town, dont know how comfortable he found himself in i''m guessing a more cosmopolitan environment.

hes a really good bowler tho, esp for south african conditions, don't know if hell be as useful in less bouncy english conditions.
 
Maybe Cricket South Africa needs to request the govt to scrap this deal with the EU or make sure Cricketers in particular are no longer eligible for Kolpak deals. Secondly they look into improving the pays for the national players and giving them more security so they don't have to worry about life after retirement.

This and they need to abolish the racial quota system asap.

It's true he chose money over country. The Kolpak rule itself is a joke. It blocks a potential spot of an English and rather it is filled by someone who is not even going to play for England in near future and he is not a part of international player roster.
 
There must be something seriously wrong with South African cricket if so many players keep on walking away despite being good enough and young enough to still play for the national side.

Anyone would take this deal considering county teams pay more.

He wouldn't have been picked for the ODIs and T20s for South Africa
 
In late 1990s, PCA (Pro Cricketers' Association) forced Counties to reduce number of foreign players from almost unlimited to one in playing XI - ECB & Counties have found a way to dodge that ruling. Under Kolpak SAF, ZIM, entire West Indies, NZ and AUS cricketers can play for Counties as "home" player.

For Olivier's case, there could be issues in SAF cricket, but I see only one motive here - earning easy money though a back door. This guy is 26, already a Test regular and this SAF side is one of the oldest one in contemporary cricket - Abbott, AB, Morkel already gone, after WC Faf, Amla, Styen, Vernon, Morris will go as well. There was a great opportunity for Dunnie to play for SAF for a decade - yet he decided the Kolpak rule.

I am not sure how much Counties pay, but SAF white players are doing this for only one reason - earn more, as much as possible. Loss of earnings from sacrificing SAF cap (A SAF central contracted player should earn decent amount) is covered by County contracts and Cricket SAF isn't blocking these players for their domestic cricket; add to that increased opportunity of earnings from PLs & SLs because of free calendar without International cricket.

Cricket SAF should impose a law that Kolpak players will be considered as "foreign" for their domestic cricket & T20 leagues, since they can't/don't represent SAF - I am sure things will improve. Now the white players with a British root getting it too easy.
 
He's done the maths and thought about the dollars.

County cricket guaranteed, play in as many T20 leagues around the world as he wants versus playing for his country.

Yup, and examples like Colin Ingram and Chris Morris prove it can be done quite easily.
 
A fit Ngidi will always get the nod ahead of him. He's doing what he thinks is the best for himself just like many others before him. All the best to him for his future.
 
Quota system and limit on white cricketers in the team is killing South Africa cricket. If they allow every deserving cricket, irrespective of color to be selected, present South Africa team could be as good as WI of 80s and Australia of early 2000.
 
Why is this disgraceful? He is at liberty to do what's best for himself. It's not like he can play for SA anyway while playing county.

Disgrace for South Africa. Olivier can do whatever he wants, it's his life and his choice. However he abruptly quit international cricket which can disrupt the selection process. Also it looks bad that young players can pick domestic nonsense over international cricket. These local players had a lot of money invested in their development by the cricket board since they were teenagers. It's sports version of brain drain basically.

Not to mention the stupid quota system. ABD doing it was one thing, he was already near 35. However Olivier is just 26, he was just about to enter his prime. This shows that CSA is dysfunctional.
 
Another blow for Sa.hopefully one day they will host there own league to provide financial support to there cricketers

On a side note another quality player for psl franchises
 
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I wonder if Cricket South Africa can sue these players and recover the money invested in them from these players?
 
I don’t know why people are hating on Olivier? South Africa and CSA made it very clear about their even more strict quota laws not too long ago. Gave him a 2 year contract vs the 3 year county contract. He knows his value and doesn’t want to play for a board where there is uncertainty over his inclusion down the line for instance some less deserving black bowler comes around and they have to choose between the two purely to satisfy the quota.

I back him. Financial future over everything as long as you’re not dragging your dignity and your country’s dignity through the dirt.
 
I heard the brexit will end Kolpak?

If its true then South Africa would hope that brexit happens soon
 
In late 1990s, PCA (Pro Cricketers' Association) forced Counties to reduce number of foreign players from almost unlimited to one in playing XI - ECB & Counties have found a way to dodge that ruling. Under Kolpak SAF, ZIM, entire West Indies, NZ and AUS cricketers can play for Counties as "home" player.

For Olivier's case, there could be issues in SAF cricket, but I see only one motive here - earning easy money though a back door. This guy is 26, already a Test regular and this SAF side is one of the oldest one in contemporary cricket - Abbott, AB, Morkel already gone, after WC Faf, Amla, Styen, Vernon, Morris will go as well. There was a great opportunity for Dunnie to play for SAF for a decade - yet he decided the Kolpak rule.

I am not sure how much Counties pay, but SAF white players are doing this for only one reason - earn more, as much as possible. Loss of earnings from sacrificing SAF cap (A SAF central contracted player should earn decent amount) is covered by County contracts and Cricket SAF isn't blocking these players for their domestic cricket; add to that increased opportunity of earnings from PLs & SLs because of free calendar without International cricket.

Cricket SAF should impose a law that Kolpak players will be considered as "foreign" for their domestic cricket & T20 leagues, since they can't/don't represent SAF - I am sure things will improve. Now the white players with a British root getting it too easy.

not to mention that he was actually 8th in the bowling pecking order before this summer. Olivier doesn't get into the Saf team ahead of Ngidi who was out injured for all 6 tests that they played. It is possible he was considering this for some time making the relatively successful summer he had irrelevant as far as swaying his decision was concerned. It does however seem that only the 'white' players seem interested in leaving behind international prospects for a county contract. Maybe the quota system is indeed a blessing in disguise to get more 'majority' interest in the game.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DuaneOlivier?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DuaneOlivier</a> scenario:<br><br>EVERY sportsman is a business now!<br><br>Name me someone in business that wouldn’t move jobs for:<br>1. More money?<br>2. Less work?<br>3. Job security?<br><br>It’s the world of sport now! You might not like it, but it’s REAL!</p>— Kevin Pietersen🦏 (@KP24) <a href="https://twitter.com/KP24/status/1100662103268982784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
He will be making 2.75 million Rands per year playing for Yorkshire. He's got a 3 year deal so 8.25 million rand guaranteed without playing any T20 leagues either.
[MENTION=48484]ozymandias[/MENTION] can you post how much he will be making as part of CSA contract?
 
Duanne Olivier signs Kolpak deal with Yorkshire, quits international cricket

I was a little shocked to read this given that he was one of their emerging talents and had been bowling well the recent matches. Disappointing, quite disappointing but everyone has the right to decide for what´s best for his future, in terms of family as well as finances. Who is it out there who won´t opt for a better financial situation situation in life? So yeah, no ill feelings towards Olivier. All the best to him for the future!
 
not to mention that he was actually 8th in the bowling pecking order before this summer. Olivier doesn't get into the Saf team ahead of Ngidi who was out injured for all 6 tests that they played. It is possible he was considering this for some time making the relatively successful summer he had irrelevant as far as swaying his decision was concerned. It does however seem that only the 'white' players seem interested in leaving behind international prospects for a county contract. Maybe the quota system is indeed a blessing in disguise to get more 'majority' interest in the game.

I read, his contract at Yorkshire is 8.25mn Rand for 3 years - rough;y $200K/year. If he is a regular for SAF in Test (which he'll be, after Styen & Phillander he could have been 1st pick to partner KR), and a fringe player in ODI - that's 10-12 Test/year and another 10-12 ODI, may be few T20Is as well - my hunch is it's around $75K from match fee only. Add to that a Cat B Central Contract, which shouldn't be less than $75K, then the guarantee money & endorsement shares - roughly, we are looking at a similar figure or may be at most $50K lower in SAF. But, then you add the British Tax and the living cost in UK - net, net it can't be that a SAF national & centrally contracted player should have to go for Kolpak route. Me & Begum combined used to earn slightly less in real money in BD 5 years back, but used to pay 25% tax, used to live in Dad's hotel, mom used to cook and baby seat and one of Dad's 2 drivers used to drive my wife's car, andI could have chosen one of 4 family cars (6 if I consider Father in Law as well) to drive .... - if they were in school that time, my kids would have studied in American International School there ....... could have bought my RX350 even then, and every year for 2 weeks we had been somewhere - east or west from USA to Australia!!!!! Now, we pay 45% tax, over 100,000 BDT/month on Day care, cook own food, clean own toilet and cut own onion .... still, net net, and the end of every month we have to think where we can cut expenses next month, had to skip this year's home trip because Emeritus is going to charge over $6,000K+ ..... face value of money isn't every thing.

If his spot in SAF was in danger, it might have made sense, but here I see only one thing - lack of respect for the country of birth, lack of commitment to the flag, non existent passion to the shirt and no emotional attachment to the people AND greed - it was never their country. Their ancestors went there to suck black blood, first their stings was chopped, now the honey is finished as well - so they are showing true colors. As I said, Kolpak is a back door route for Counties to by pass PCA and increase talent pool, and these SAF players are using that as an excuse to increase their pay check - don't you think that Jason Holder or Sahi Hope can earn a Kolpak deal? And, this is because they can still play in SAF domestics, still can make a come back to SAF colors whenever business case is favorable.

Quota system isn't required only, it's actually essential for cricket to survive in SAF - only then SAF will remain as a cricket powerhouse with 90% dominant majority of their own people are integrated in the game. We have seen Ntini, Amla, Vernon, Rabada, Ngidi, Tahir and there are guys like Mahraj, Reeza, Andile, Shamshi, Hamza ..... 10-12 more years, SAF won't require any quota; neither any mercenary.
 
I read, his contract at Yorkshire is 8.25mn Rand for 3 years - rough;y $200K/year. If he is a regular for SAF in Test (which he'll be, after Styen & Phillander he could have been 1st pick to partner KR), and a fringe player in ODI - that's 10-12 Test/year and another 10-12 ODI, may be few T20Is as well - my hunch is it's around $75K from match fee only. Add to that a Cat B Central Contract, which shouldn't be less than $75K, then the guarantee money & endorsement shares - roughly, we are looking at a similar figure or may be at most $50K lower in SAF. But, then you add the British Tax and the living cost in UK - net, net it can't be that a SAF national & centrally contracted player should have to go for Kolpak route. Me & Begum combined used to earn slightly less in real money in BD 5 years back, but used to pay 25% tax, used to live in Dad's hotel, mom used to cook and baby seat and one of Dad's 2 drivers used to drive my wife's car, andI could have chosen one of 4 family cars (6 if I consider Father in Law as well) to drive .... - if they were in school that time, my kids would have studied in American International School there ....... could have bought my RX350 even then, and every year for 2 weeks we had been somewhere - east or west from USA to Australia!!!!! Now, we pay 45% tax, over 100,000 BDT/month on Day care, cook own food, clean own toilet and cut own onion .... still, net net, and the end of every month we have to think where we can cut expenses next month, had to skip this year's home trip because Emeritus is going to charge over $6,000K+ ..... face value of money isn't every thing.

If his spot in SAF was in danger, it might have made sense, but here I see only one thing - lack of respect for the country of birth, lack of commitment to the flag, non existent passion to the shirt and no emotional attachment to the people AND greed - it was never their country. Their ancestors went there to suck black blood, first their stings was chopped, now the honey is finished as well - so they are showing true colors. As I said, Kolpak is a back door route for Counties to by pass PCA and increase talent pool, and these SAF players are using that as an excuse to increase their pay check - don't you think that Jason Holder or Sahi Hope can earn a Kolpak deal? And, this is because they can still play in SAF domestics, still can make a come back to SAF colors whenever business case is favorable.

Quota system isn't required only, it's actually essential for cricket to survive in SAF - only then SAF will remain as a cricket powerhouse with 90% dominant majority of their own people are integrated in the game. We have seen Ntini, Amla, Vernon, Rabada, Ngidi, Tahir and there are guys like Mahraj, Reeza, Andile, Shamshi, Hamza ..... 10-12 more years, SAF won't require any quota; neither any mercenary.

On approximately a £150k salary he'd pay about the same amount of tax in the UK as he would in SA.
 
Has this got anything to do with the anti-white wave in SA? I saw on youtube that many SA whites are going to Australia.

Yes a lot of SA whites in Australia, quite a few here in Singapore where I currently live. I speak to quite a lot of them. Of course not all say exactly the same thing but there is a general trend.

They basically say that yes, maybe half of all whites in SA would like to leave or see the benefit of it. Some do not have jobs/opportunity to leave, some may think about it but don't want to leave other family behind.

They are uncomfortable categorising it as an "anti-white wave" but they all list crime and safety as a #1 or 2 concern. The crime rate is terrifying over there and they and their children simply don't have freedom to travel as they please- must be careful and on guard at all times. Everyone knows someone who has suffered an attack, home invasion, death or hospitalisation of a loved on etc. Everyone.

The other concern at #1 or #2 is opportunity. They all agree theoretically with the need for quotas (they exist in every arena of SA job market, a quota for hiring/school places/scholarship etc) but worry about the effect that will have on their children. They worry that even being top 10% will not be good enough for their children- because someone at top 30% can be preferred. I'll say again they all (to me anyway) recognise the need for these changes, but they see the difficulties it puts people in.

Oliver is a good example. Tremendous bowler, great start to his career. BUT when Philander & Ngidi are available again then both he & Steyn can't be picked... Quota to be met... He might well miss out- why take the risk. Even when Steyn retires perhaps Bavuma or someone else gets dropped and the next batsman is white... again in 6 months time hen could very well be dropped again due to quotas.

Then they consider raising a family and imagine that even he- surely a guy in the top 1% in his field can be stymied by the quota and insecure because of it then if you can, would you take your children somewhere without quotas and with far less crime & far more freedom?

Third on their concerns is usually rising corruption within SA & the decline of govt services/efficiency as a result. They are worried the slide toward a corrupt state will continue.
 
He was pitted as South Africa’s most prized possessions and was well in line to succeed Dale Steyn and Vernon Philander, but all that came crashing down when fast bowler Duanne Olivier turned his back on the Proteas after signing a Kolpak deal with Yorkshire last month.

Olivier, who grabbed eyeballs with his Man of the Series performance against Pakistan that saw him scalp 24 wickets in the three Tests, became the 43rd South Africa cricketer to quit their homeland for Kolpak contract. He rejected a two-year central contract from Cricket South Africa (CSA) to move to England.

In a shocking confession, Olivier revealed that he would like to play Test cricket for England. For that to happen, he would have to obtain British citizenship – a process that could take over five years – but he’s content with his decision.

“For me, it was just the best decision to make. For me and my family, relocating is the best decision for our future,” Olivier was quoted as saying by Daily Mail on Wednesday.

“I realise some people will understand and some people won’t at all, but it doesn’t really faze me what they think. At the end of the day, it’s about what I want to do. I want to see things going forward and I feel like my cricket will improve playing county cricket.”

According to the report, Olivier’s salary at Headingley will be close to £150,000-£100,000, which is roughly three times as much as what he would have earned as a South African international. “Every person needs security,” he said.

“I accept that my Test career is over for South Africa but if I do well, hopefully in the future, I can play for England,” he added.

“I am a firm believer that everything happens for a reason and if you just concentrate on doing well that will take care of itself. I don’t think too far ahead.

“Yes, it will be a goal to play for England one day and it would be amazing but for now my pure focus is on Yorkshire and just doing well for them.”

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news/i-want-to-play-test-cricket-for-england-duanne-olivier-816982
 
There you have it then. Clearly the money being offered by CSA is not competitive coupled by the lack of long term security. Clearly in these circumstances, you can't blame players for going the kolpak route
 
Olivier's hit the deck style of bowling won't suit English pitches which are slower than in SAF.

He needs to be able to control the swing of red Dukes if he's to play for England.
 
There you have it then. Clearly the money being offered by CSA is not competitive coupled by the lack of long term security. Clearly in these circumstances, you can't blame players for going the kolpak route

CSA actually pays pretty well. FAF for example makes close to $400K USD. On top of that they play IPL and etc. Probably he felt SA would prefer pile their black players in the bowling stock due to quota ? Whatever it is, it is not cash.
 
CSA actually pays pretty well. FAF for example makes close to $400K USD. On top of that they play IPL and etc. Probably he felt SA would prefer pile their black players in the bowling stock due to quota ? Whatever it is, it is not cash.

Clearly the problem is real, perhaps the quota system is too blame because the South Africans have lost too many players to the Kolpak route. The number is just too high to dismiss it as selfishness on the part of the players.
 
Not a very good bowler.
That was Pakistan mediocre batting which makes him the greatest bowler of decade.
He just bowls fast and short which will not work against every opposition.
 
Not a very good bowler.
That was Pakistan mediocre batting which makes him the greatest bowler of decade.
He just bowls fast and short which will not work against every opposition.

That style of bowling only works on South African bouncy pitches. Will not work anywhere else. He is going to learn that fast bowling is not all about bowling short
 
Olivier knows Pakistani muppet batsmen made him look much better than he is so he made the smart decision to cash on the goodwill right now rather than see it erode pretty quickly
 
Olivier knows Pakistani muppet batsmen made him look much better than he is so he made the smart decision to cash on the goodwill right now rather than see it erode pretty quickly

Pakistanis are so kind and clever. First they made Kyle Abbott into a hero and he vanished from the Sa team and went to the county cricket. Now olivier. Pakistan knows how to get rid of their opposition.
 
South Africa don't need cricketers like this. He cleary had no passion for his country and had no fight in him to keep his place in the team.
 
The English must be laughing their heads off, for years they've been getting SA players indirectly - the likes of Allan Lamb, Andrew Strauss, KP and Jonathan Trott. Now they're coming directly. :yk2
 
All about the £££s.

Quite sad really.

CSA are quite rightly fuming about this.
 
All about the £££s.

Quite sad really.

CSA are quite rightly fuming about this.

It's easy for us to sit behind our computers and criticize his decision, and call it selfish, but we have to realize that this is literally his job. This is a job he may only be able to do for 10 more years, maybe even less, so he wants to make as much money as possible.

If he was already earning a million a year, then we could've called this a selfish move, but he just wants to make sure he'll be more financially secure post his cricketing career, we can't blame him for that.
 
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