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"I was expecting a place in the Pakistan Test squad" : Salman Butt [VIDEO #158]

Alright guys .... he has suffered enough, mind you I am not sticking up for him, but just let it go. Nothing we think, say or hope is going to change anything, soooo less we say better !!! There won't be a day when He will not regret what he did and that should be plenty .... don't you think so ????
 
Got much better options then him. Hate his attitude too, what does he think of himself, I was expecting a selection. You average 30 after 30 test which is enough to discard you forever. Pathetic batsmen and even more of a pathetic fielder.
 
Butt must be looking at Ahmed Shehzad's batting and smiling to himself.
 
Why his chapter should be close? Is Zardari's chapter close? Is Nawaz chapter close?

In your nation, chapters never close for biggest corrupts...

So please stop kidding with me!!!!!!
 
Salman Butt a better Test opener than Shan Masood and Ahmed Shehzad?
 
Salman Butt a better Test opener than Shan Masood and Ahmed Shehzad?

Why must being 'better than Shehzad' be used to get TTFs into the team?

Is Butt better than Aslam, Amin etc is what we should be asking.
 
Why must being 'better than Shehzad' be used to get TTFs into the team?

Is Butt better than Aslam, Amin etc is what we should be asking.

Those 2 (Shehzad and Shan) mentioned as they are the ones in the squad at the moment.
 
Salman Butt a better Test opener than Shan Masood and Ahmed Shehzad?

Is he better than Sami Aslam or Mohammad Hafeez? Not even close. Let's try out other more deserving players first. Let's give Shehzad more than 2 tests instead of dropping him immediately after he scored a 50.

A lot of people have this affection for Salman Butt based purely on nostalgia because he was at one point the blue-eyed boy of Pakistan. His test career is there for everyone to see.

On that cue, I'll be expecting something about his 100 against Australia 13 years ago and him winning his first test match as a captain.
 
Is he better than Sami Aslam or Mohammad Hafeez? Not even close. Let's try out other more deserving players first. Let's give Shehzad more than 2 tests instead of dropping him immediately after he scored a 50.

A lot of people have this affection for Salman Butt based purely on nostalgia because he was at one point the blue-eyed boy of Pakistan. His test career is there for everyone to see.

On that cue, I'll be expecting something about his 100 against Australia 13 years ago and him winning his first test match as a captain.

Read post 92 slowly.
 
Read post 92 slowly.

I didn't know Salman Butt was in the squad. If we're only discussing openers in the squad then let's do it on a different thread without mentioning Captain Fantastic.

On what merit is Salman Butt better than Shehzad?

Shehzad averages 10 runs more than Butt in tests. Shehzad has the same number of 100s as Butt in less than half the number of innings. Shehzad scores quicker than Butt. Shehzad scored a 70 odd in the last test.

I'm failing to understand how Salman Butt is more deserving than Shehzad.
 
I didn't know Salman Butt was in the squad. If we're only discussing openers in the squad then let's do it on a different thread without mentioning Captain Fantastic.

On what merit is Salman Butt better than Shehzad?

Shehzad averages 10 runs more than Butt in tests. Shehzad has the same number of 100s as Butt in less than half the number of innings. Shehzad scores quicker than Butt. Shehzad scored a 70 odd in the last test.

I'm failing to understand how Salman Butt is more deserving than Shehzad.

And where did I say that Salman Butt is more deserving than Shehzad in the Test squad?

My point and the point of others, if you actually read it properly is that Salman Butt may feel aggrieved that he wasn't selected for this Test series given the poor performances of Shan Masood and Ahmed Shehzad.
 
Salman Butt’s epic knock of 108 not out at the BCCI Platinum Jubilee match in 2004, which took Pakistan to a fantastic six-wicket victory against India was among the performances that firmly set him on to the road to stardom. It was a path to fame that many others would have gladly taken, and Salman too seemed to grab this opportunity to build his career with both hands.

In July 2010, when a despondent and typically unpredictable Shahid Afridi gave up captaincy of the Pakistan Test team after his side’s comprehensive defeat at the hands of Australia at Lord’s, the Pakistan Cricket Board took little time in appointing the then 25-year-old Butt as the next Test captain. This was no shock, as many had identified Salman as one destined for this role, early on.

However, the young cricketer's reign as Test captain was not a long one. In August 2010, during the series against England, the world of cricket was shocked by the emergence of the now well-known ‘spot-fixing’ scandal which saw Salman, Mohammad Amir, and the more experienced Mohammad Asif identified as culprits in a scheme which was to bring disrepute to the game, and to Pakistan.

The ICC acted with resolve and banned from all forms of cricket the three players, for a period of five years, which expired in September of 2015.

Salman Butt, during one of his court appearances during the match-fixing case hearings. Photo courtesy Getty Images
While Mohammad Amir and Mohammad Asif were looked upon as accomplices in the ‘spot-fixing’ plot, the brunt of public resentment was directed at Salman Butt. To many, he was simply the ring-leader and therefore not subject to the sort of empathy that Amir elicited and which lead to the left-arm fast-bowler’s eventual return to the international side in 2016. For Salman, however, no such public support existed and despite protestations to the contrary, his wait to resume his international career — which stood at 135 matches — continues to this day.

However, it appears that there is light at the end of the tunnel for Butt and reason for optimism, based on recent remarks made by chief selector Inzamam-ul-Haq. Ul-Haq offered some hope regarding the former Pakistan captain's return to international cricket. Butt later said, “It was very encouraging to hear Inzamam-ul-Haq's comments about me and the possibility of (me) being selected for the Pakistan A squad for the upcoming tour of Zimbabwe. His words have given me inspiration to work even harder and perform even better in domestic cricket this season. This is exactly the good news I had been waiting for and I feel I am on the right track for a return to international cricket.”

Inzamam’s words may have brought some comfort, but Salman knows that it won’t be easy to regain the respect of his fellow countrymen, especially those who felt humiliated as a result of the spot-fixing scandal. Prominent among these is TV commentator and former Pakistan batsman Ramiz Raja, who minced no words in criticising any moves to allow disgraced cricketers back into the national squad. For Salman, such views are painful but he knows that despite all his efforts, there will always be some who will never forgive him.

“A few people mentioned Ramiz Raja's recent comments about me and I have always respected him as a former Pakistan cricketer and a senior player, and I will continue to respect him. He is entitled to his opinion I guess, but my aim is to do well for Pakistan and change his opinions about me. Our future is not in the hands of any individual, rather it is God's wish what happens and He controls our destiny. You cannot have positive opinions about yourself from everyone and that's just the way it is,” Butt said.

For the moment, the former Pakistan batsman knows that he will have to continue to work assiduously at his game at the domestic level as only that metric will be used to measure his suitability for a return to the national side. He explained, “I'm really happy with my performances in domestic cricket since my return to cricket, especially considering that I was making a comeback after six years. If I am being honest, I was expecting an international recall sooner... but I'll be more than happy whenever that international recall comes. I've had to be patient, but I'm on it, I'm working hard and I'm hopeful and confident that I will wear the Pakistan shirt once again.”

He may be putting a brave face on it, but there is an air of desperation in Salman Butt’s pleas for a chance to represent his country. All he can do is to put in the hard-yards in domestic cricket which are a pre-requisite for a consideration for a return to international cricket.

“I was amongst the top run-scorers in last season's Quaid-e-Azam Trophy and in 2016, I was the second highest run-scorer in the National One-Day Cup and the National T20 Cup. I was the only opening batsman among the leading run scorers in the aforementioned domestic competitions. I think now it's a case of proving myself in international cricket once again as I have already proved my credentials again in domestic cricket,” he said.

Being away from cricket for a few matchess or a season does make it difficult to perform in today’s fast-paced game but imagine the effect on the human body if a cricketer was kept away from all competition for almost six years. To Salman’s credit, while the mental anguish related to the enforced separation from cricket may have taken a toll, he has kept himself in good shape and recently impressed national coaches with his fitness. “The six-year gap naturally affected me, but as far as fitness is concerned I am as fit if not fitter than I was when I was regularly playing for Pakistan," Butt averred. "My hard work has paid off and I proved to the Pakistan coaching staff recently at the training camp at the National Cricket Academy in Lahore that my levels of fitness have not deteriorated and my desire to play once again for my country has not diminished. I feel that the more I play cricket, the better I will get. I'm working hard and waiting for my opportunity to play for Pakistan again.”

As Pakistan cricket looks ahead to the future — which will sadly not contain the familiar faces of Misbah-ul-Haq and Younis Khan due to their retirements — it is logical for the team managements and coaching staff to ensure that the right blend of youth and experience is retained in the team. In this regard, Salman Butt’s progress is important as he could play a crucial role in any future involvement with the Pakistan team. This is probably the reason why special attention has been given to him by Pakistan team management as explained by Salman's inclusion in the recent fitness camp.

"It was fantastic to be called up to the training camp and it was a wonderful opportunity working with the national coaches and training alongside the current Pakistan international players. The coaching staff could see for themselves who the better players were and work out the skill sets of the players at the camp. Mickey Arthur encouraged me a lot at the camp and he was happy with my progress and that was very uplifting for me. Grant Flower was working with me and he has been very helpful with working on a few things with me regarding my batting. He and the other coaches were always there if I needed to ask them anything and that was very useful," Salman said, of the experience.

It is clear that at almost 33 years of age, the left-handed batsman will need to summon extreme mental strength in the face of constant rejection by selectors who may well be ignoring Salman’s performances and instead focussing on the public outcry if a tainted individual was brought back into the fold. Salman accepts that to gain the respect of fans and fellow players will be a tough ask but he is convinced that he is doing enough to make this goal a reality.

"I captained WAPDA to the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy glory last season and we are hopeful that we can replicate last season's success. As a cricketer and on a personal note, I want to have another good domestic season and remind the selectors that I am still good enough to play at the highest level," he said, then added: "All I can do is to keep performing and keep hoping that my chance for Pakistan will once again come."

http://www.firstpost.com/firstcrick...e-had-to-be-patient-but-im-on-it-4095477.html
 
Up next for Salman Butt's WAPDA is Faisalabad away. Faisalabad's only bowlers who have played Internationals are Mohammad Talha (remember him?) and Saeed Ajmal. Regional sides are a lot weaker than departmental sides it seems so the next match is a great chance for Salman Butt to get some runs under his belt.
 
Id rather have imran farhat opening that this ttf turned cheat of the great game. I won't support Pakistan if he plays.
 
Surprising coincidence but it seems like Salman has been the biggest beneficiary of the Sharjeel/PSL issue. The absence of Sharjeel has paved the way for his return and the support is way too strong for this guy. The presence of Inzamam as Chief Selector has only accelerated Salman's return.
 
agar ye banda umeed rakta ha tu ma bhi team ma jaga expect kar raha ho. [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]...
 
I'm not in favour of him returning, but we could do with someone that actually looks to play his drives when they are on offer.

Still am confused about Sami Aslam's role as a batsman. Seems like an ultra talented, well-equips tailender who's job is to blunt the new ball right at the top of the order
 
Butt turns 33 this week. Even at his so called peak he barely managed to creep above 30 when it came to his test batting average.

Yet some people still expect him to come back into the side after 7 years and somehow transform the fortunes of the side?
 
May be the only batsman in the world whose ODI average (36.8) is 20% more than his Test average (30.4). One possible explanation is that he is just a slogger.
 
May be the only batsman in the world whose ODI average (36.8) is 20% more than his Test average (30.4). One possible explanation is that he is just a slogger.

Babar's LOI average is twice that of his tests
 
Babar's LOI average is twice that of his tests

Good catch!

However, Babar's case is probably due to a small sample, he has played only 10 Tests and 31 ODIs. By the time he plays 33 Tests and 78 ODIs like Butt, I expect the averages will be much closer.
 
Even if Afg beat pak 3-0 in tests. I still don't want this guy in the batting lineup or any where close the test. He can break world records one after another but he is done. Time to move on and look at youngsters and evaluate them rather than spending time in done and dusted garbage.
 
Good day for the Salman Butt haters; out for 1 today. 15 wickets fell in just day 1 so seems like it's a bowlers paradise.
 
Good day for the Salman Butt haters; out for 1 today. 15 wickets fell in just day 1 so seems like it's a bowlers paradise.

That 1 is probably worth a 50 on that track according to some. :shehzad
 
Good catch!

However, Babar's case is probably due to a small sample, he has played only 10 Tests and 31 ODIs. By the time he plays 33 Tests and 78 ODIs like Butt, I expect the averages will be much closer.

yes of course, it is a due to small sample. But if you look at Babar's FC record, it does not give anyone much confidence. We cannot depend solely on FC record, but it usually is a good indicator. So unless Babar goes back to FC and works hard on his skills he may not really fare all that well in Test cricket.
 
33 today - Does he have a chance of a comeback in international cricket?
 
If this guy ever comes back into the Senior team then there's no hope for Pakistan cricket. . Can stay where he is even if he starts averaging 100+.
 
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His return is pretty much inevitable now thanks to Mickey. Only thing stopping it is a poor run in domestic cricket this season.
 
His return is pretty much inevitable now thanks to Mickey. Only thing stopping it is a poor run in domestic cricket this season.

The way Mickey has handled S. Butt in the last few months it seems like it was the plan all along. He now doesn't want Azhar at the opening slot at any cost.
 
The reality based on cricketing reasoning is that Salman Butt despite not having played international cricket for several years is still a better Test batsman than Shan Masood.
 
The reality based on cricketing reasoning is that Salman Butt despite not having played international cricket for several years is still a better Test batsman than Shan Masood.

Yes, because those are the only two options. Surprised by your support for Butt.
 
Once again failures for Masood and Aslam. Shafiq has been a disappointment too. If Salman and Fawad have a good domestic season then I see no reason to stop them from making comebacks.
 
Umar Amin is playing as an opener this seadon, already scored a big hundred. Hopefully a good season and he will be picked
 
That day is coming nearer and nearer, am afraid.
 
Salman Butt will be a much better option than Shan Masood for sure.
 
Shehzad and Azhar are the best available openers at the moment Butt doesn't deserve selection test average of 30 is mediocre.
 
Salman Butt will be a much better option than Shan Masood for sure.

I dont know about much better, he averages '30' to Masood's '24'

so you get a 6 run improvement, but you also get Butt's horrible fielding and buttery fingers
 
I am on record as saying that Salman Butt is too old to recall.

But I understand that the PCB wants him back.

The thing is, can you recall him on current form? He is in his third match, all on increasingly impossible batting conditions. And today was typical - second highest scorer.......with 16 runs.
 
No amount of Pakistani failures will ever justify a Butt recall. Some Pakistan fans need to stop being so desperate. Better to lose with one convicted criminal in the team than to lose with two.
 
If Butt’s name is in the hat then why not Imran Farhat? He has a better test average than Butt, isn’t a fixer and has had a better start to the first class season.

TBH both names are silly imo but if you are considering Butt then other oldies should get an opportunity too.
 
Here are the list of openers that are/should be ahead of Butt:

1. Sami Aslam - 2 tests isn't enough to discard him
2. Azhar Ali - The most solid test opener Pakistan has ever produced against good fast bowling
3. Imam ul Haq - His stats last year speak for themself
4. Ahmed Shehzad - Younger and better stats. His game is probably better suited to test cricket anyway.
5. Umar Amin - Good form so far this season an this is coming from a guy who isn't a fan of his meekness
6. Hafeez - The professor would outperform Butt in the subcontinent in any format any day against any attack

If all of the above fail then sure bring him back.
 
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Yes, because those are the only two options. Surprised by your support for Butt.

Saying Salman Butt is currently a better Test batsman than Shan Masood is not supporting Butt or accepting what he did in 2010.
 
Saying Salman Butt is currently a better Test batsman than Shan Masood is not supporting Butt or accepting what he did in 2010.

true

but its also like also putting a donkey in a horse race and then saying any random horse would have done better.

The real question is the donkey doing in a horse race in the first place? We know the answer to that.

The frustrating thing is that this a recurring trend in Pak cricket. Undeserving players are picked and their inevitable failings are used to justify the selection of other Underserving players, and so the cycle repeats itself
 
Think Butt's back. Sami Aslam and Shan will be gone most likely after the test series ends. Azhar I think will go back to opening. Haris will stay at four, Asad at five. Usman will come in at six.

Will leave opener and a no.3 spot free if Babar's dropped too. And Mickey won't want to play too many inexperienced bats, especially with both Haris (and hopefully Usman) in the team. Plus he'll be concerned that Asad and Azhar haven't formed the stabalising partnership Mickey wanted to replace YK and Misbah.

So yeah think Butt's returning.
 
Salman Butt was a decent batter for Pakistan but I don't think going back to him is a good idea. Pakistan need to stick with youngsters and probably try someone who is doing good in domestic cricket. He is already 33 years old and is not going to serve the team for a long time and even if he succeeds, it will be a short fix.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again I will take a break from Pakistan Cricket if Butt is ever allowed to don the star and crescent. I know my support in the context of the PCT fanbase is nothing and it won't effect anyone in the slightest, but as a person who values blokes like Azhar, Asad, Misbah, YK (non curropt individuals) I can't stand Butt who was the criminal mastermind of that entire 2010 Saga.

I will never support this ex-convict on a cricket field until my dying breath, and if he ever represents us I will passionately root for the other team. A deplorable human being who should thank his stars that he's allowed to earn his bread and butter via cricket once again.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again I will take a break from Pakistan Cricket if Butt is ever allowed to don the star and crescent. I know my support in the context of the PCT fanbase is nothing and it won't effect anyone in the slightest, but as a person who values blokes like Azhar, Asad, Misbah, YK (non curropt individuals) I can't stand Butt who was the criminal mastermind of that entire 2010 Saga.

I will never support this ex-convict on a cricket field until my dying breath, and if he ever represents us I will passionately root for the other team. A deplorable human being who should thank his stars that he's allowed to earn his bread and butter via cricket once again.

agreed 1000000%. sadly majority of pakistanis too easily forgive corruption, lies, and deceit. i guess this is the standard our politicians have set for us. this forum gives a good glimpse into that mentality with mr. butt having a decent number of supporters
 
agreed 1000000%. sadly majority of pakistanis too easily forgive corruption, lies, and deceit. i guess this is the standard our politicians have set for us. this forum gives a good glimpse into that mentality with mr. butt having a decent number of supporters

I don't want Butt back in the team and I didn't want Amir back either (despite I think the latter is good enough while the former I have doubts). But I don't think I could turn my back on the team like that, it'd feel strange, and I just enjoy Pakistani cricket too much. Seems a shame to stop supporting the other 10 players in the team due to one player. But just as ahmedwaqas92 I am disappointed in the PCB (and even the fans) who want Butt back. Part of the reason this fixing happened is because we're lenient on fixing and it seems like we're repeating the same thing again with not only wanting Butt back, but Sharjeel back too.
 
Salman Butt scored a crucial 62 today in the fourth innings for WAPDA in a match that finished on Day 2; the low scores suggesting it was a difficult pitch to bat on. Looks like he hasn't played his last game for Pakistan yet.
 
Yes, in the last two games Salman has scored two crucial half centuries on extremely difficult wickets. This game ending in two days.

It's sheer stupidity that just because some idiots have become moral police, Salman is sitting on the sidelines despite being the best test opener in Pakistan atm.
 
If he does get selected I hope his visa for England gets refused. It's going to be embarrassing seeing him walk back out at Lords and I'm sure he wont get any goodwill from any of the pundits around the world unlike Amir.
 
Asif video shows that the pitch was a tricky one.

The fact that he made 62 on it, speaks volumes.
 
Sami Aslam and Shan Masood have made a Butt recall a reality. Where are the brigade who talk through their behinds that "They will take a hundred losses from honourable players then wins from tainted players?" Talk nah.
 
There is no doubt that Butt and Shehzad would have scored more runs than Sami and Masood.
 
But he averages 30...

as if we have ATGs opening for us right now.
 
Yes, in the last two games Salman has scored two crucial half centuries on extremely difficult wickets. This game ending in two days.

It's sheer stupidity that just because some idiots have become moral police, Salman is sitting on the sidelines despite being the best test opener in Pakistan atm.

And this moral police seems to be very selective as well.
 
Salman Butt is too old now. Sami and Shehzad should open in test matches.

Imam as reserve.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again I will take a break from Pakistan Cricket if Butt is ever allowed to don the star and crescent. I know my support in the context of the PCT fanbase is nothing and it won't effect anyone in the slightest, but as a person who values blokes like Azhar, Asad, Misbah, YK (non curropt individuals) I can't stand Butt who was the criminal mastermind of that entire 2010 Saga.

I will never support this ex-convict on a cricket field until my dying breath, and if he ever represents us I will passionately root for the other team. A deplorable human being who should thank his stars that he's allowed to earn his bread and butter via cricket once again.

agreed 1000000%. sadly majority of pakistanis too easily forgive corruption, lies, and deceit. i guess this is the standard our politicians have set for us. this forum gives a good glimpse into that mentality with mr. butt having a decent number of supporters

Then why didn't you stop supporting the team when Amir was selected?

All of what you said is applicable to Amir as well, regardless of the fact that he wasn't the captain and was young. He is still an ex-convict and proof of how "easily pakistanis forgive corruption, lies and deceit". If he was allowed to earn his bread and butter via cricket, why not Butt?
 
The agony of the hypocrites is another great reason why Butt should be brought back now.
 
If your going to select rubbish like Shan your leaving the door open for Salman Butt. Obviously I don't want to Butt to play for Pakistan again but if he scores runs in domestic he's in with a chance unfortunately.

Want Azhar to open with either Sami or Imam opening with him.
 
Salman Butt is too old now. Sami and Shehzad should open in test matches.

Imam as reserve.

I couldn't care less if a batsman is 50, as long as he is scoring runs.
 
true

but its also like also putting a donkey in a horse race and then saying any random horse would have done better.

The real question is the donkey doing in a horse race in the first place? We know the answer to that.

The frustrating thing is that this a recurring trend in Pak cricket. Undeserving players are picked and their inevitable failings are used to justify the selection of other Underserving players, and so the cycle repeats itself

Well said. This is exactly what I was getting at @Saj.

Every time Shan fails, why not bump Imam's thread, or Fakhar's, or Sahibzada Farhan's, or Jahid Ali's, or Ahsan Ali's etc? Is Butt the only option (that too with a pathetic average)?
 
Well said. This is exactly what I was getting at @Saj.

Every time Shan fails, why not bump Imam's thread, or Fakhar's, or Sahibzada Farhan's, or Jahid Ali's, or Ahsan Ali's etc? Is Butt the only option (that too with a pathetic average)?

As far as I am aware Butt outscored most of the guys you have mentioned in the last domestic season.

And perhaps why some are mentioning Butt is because he scored 62 runs in a match that finished in 2 days.
 
As far as I am aware Butt outscored most of the guys you have mentioned in the last domestic season.

And perhaps why some are mentioning Butt is because he scored 62 runs in a match that finished in 2 days.

Butt averages 33 in the current season compared to Shehzad who averages 56 the pitches might be a bit tougher but it's simply not good enough and he won't be averaging 45-50 in test cricket.
 
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As far as I am aware Butt outscored most of the guys you have mentioned in the last domestic season.

And perhaps why some are mentioning Butt is because he scored 62 runs in a match that finished in 2 days.

Actually Imam outscored him, Fakhar scored a similar number of runs and finished with a better average and S/R (played fewer games) etc.

That's before you even factor in the fact that domestic performances have to be contextualised- if the player has already played a lot of international cricket and failed (ie averages 30 as an opener) then it is better to invest in a younger alternative who has shown promise and has had fewer/no international opportunities.

But let's say you are right and we should play the spreadsheet game, I assume this means you will be calling for Imran Farhat's return? He has outscored Butt in the QeA this year, and has a better test record than him too. I am sure Farhat will be delighted to hear of your support.

Bottom line is selection should be based on merit and Salman Butt does not deserve a recall.
 
Of course a guy who has years of international experience won't find it hard to be among the top in the low standard Pakistani domestic set up.

I would still rather give a chance to an upcoming youngster over him.
 
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