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"I will continue working hard and not bow down to negativity" : Saud Shakeel

Not part of the 13-member squad for second Test.

Guess needs to wait more (as usual!)
 
What's the point of his inclusion if you weren't ready to give him a chance vs Zim, an absolutely pathetic decision by Babar & the management.

I hope I'm wrong but I feel that Saud will become another Fawad Alam.
 
Disgraceful decision not to give him a game against Zimbabwe. Misbah is an unbelievably pathetic coach who is only concerned with his job security and does not give a toss about the players or their future development.
 
Really disappointed that saud isn't given a chance disgraceful stuff from misbah and Babar.
 
If he isnt going to debut against zimbabwe when the test team is 1-0 up when will he debut?

Weve seen this safety first approach from misbah for years now.

What harm can it do to make one lad debut against a very weak team who you ll probably beat again by an innings even without his contribution

Coaching isnt only about padding players stats and battering a minnow team but giving confidence to young lads, developing better players for the future, improving your bench strength easing players into the setup and making sure players in possession dont get too comfortable n lazy

Most people would think this is the ideal scenario to try out a couple of new players but no not misbah He likes throwing new kids in the deep end

Lets wait for a test at the Waca to give the lad a debut
 
Man I feel for Saud Shakeel. Performed well in domestic cricket, finally got called up, he then got injured, went through the rehabilitation and still managed to make the test team. Despite this, doesn't make the test team.
 
Looks like he may be the next Fawad Alam in terms of opportunities and selection.

Wait 10 years son, then they might pick you.
 
Zaz said:
If he isnt going to debut against zimbabwe when the test team is 1-0 up when will he debut?

Weve seen this safety first approach from misbah for years now.

What harm can it do to make one lad debut against a very weak team who you ll probably beat again by an innings even without his contribution

Coaching isnt only about padding players stats and battering a minnow team but giving confidence to young lads, developing better players for the future, improving your bench strength easing players into the setup and making sure players in possession dont get too comfortable n lazy

Most people would think this is the ideal scenario to try out a couple of new players but no not misbah He likes throwing new kids in the deep end

Lets wait for a test at the Waca to give the lad a debut
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I personally would have liked Saud to get a go. Here's what I think likely happened.
If Saud would have scored massive runs against Zim, then it would have put a lot of pressure on the selection of Azhar Ali for next tour. I think the management doesn't want that pressure ahead of the WI tour because Azhar Ali is the only experienced batsman in this test team and they want Azhar for the tough tests ahead. Its also possible that Azhar wasn't happy being dropped given the lack of test matches Pak play.

Whether people like it or not, Azhar is currently the best top-order batsman in test format in Pakistan, and probably one of the best in the world. His average of 42-43 over 80+ tests is solid for an Asian test opener/1 down. Saud is supremely talented but so was Haris and talent is not a guarantee that he will succeed. Saud would have taken 15-20 tests to get going, and given the inexperienced batting, specially in the top-order/opening, I think the management doesnt want another newbie
 
They have already wasted 4 years of him and now the PCB is looking to break all records of injustice previously held by Fawad Alam.
 
Imran Butt's 91 is probably the biggest culprit here. Otherwise there'd have been an argument to shift Azhar Ali up the order.

Imran Butt has absolutely no future with the Pakistan team so it's sad to see him in the XI and not a genuinely decent batsman like Saud.
 
hitthestump said:
Imran Butt's 91 is probably the biggest culprit here. Otherwise there'd have been an argument to shift Azhar Ali up the order.

Imran Butt has absolutely no future with the Pakistan team so it's sad to see him in the XI and not a genuinely decent batsman like Saud.
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Imran Butt has no future? :)) :))

Azhar and Abid have no future in PCT. They're both in their mid-30's and would have been thinking about retiring had they been playing for any other country. On the other hand, I'm sure Misbah and Babar think that both Azhar and Abid have another 10 years to offer.

Imran's batting is on par with Abid but is 10x the slip fielder Abid will ever be.
 
Zaz said:
If he isnt going to debut against zimbabwe when the test team is 1-0 up when will he debut?

Weve seen this safety first approach from misbah for years now.

What harm can it do to make one lad debut against a very weak team who you ll probably beat again by an innings even without his contribution

Coaching isnt only about padding players stats and battering a minnow team but giving confidence to young lads, developing better players for the future, improving your bench strength easing players into the setup and making sure players in possession dont get too comfortable n lazy

Most people would think this is the ideal scenario to try out a couple of new players but no not misbah He likes throwing new kids in the deep end

Lets wait for a test at the Waca to give the lad a debut
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It's babar decision also let's not get it twisted he's just as fault.
 
Farabi said:
I personally would have liked Saud to get a go. Here's what I think likely happened.
If Saud would have scored massive runs against Zim, then it would have put a lot of pressure on the selection of Azhar Ali for next tour. I think the management doesn't want that pressure ahead of the WI tour because Azhar Ali is the only experienced batsman in this test team and they want Azhar for the tough tests ahead. Its also possible that Azhar wasn't happy being dropped given the lack of test matches Pak play.

Whether people like it or not, Azhar is currently the best top-order batsman in test format in Pakistan, and probably one of the best in the world. His average of 42-43 over 80+ tests is solid for an Asian test opener/1 down. Saud is supremely talented but so was Haris and talent is not a guarantee that he will succeed. Saud would have taken 15-20 tests to get going, and given the inexperienced batting, specially in the top-order/opening, I think the management doesnt want another newbie
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Haris let himself down due to poor fitness am not sure saud has that issue.
 
shamaan said:
Haris let himself down due to poor fitness am not sure saud has that issue.
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Fit or not, test cricket is not east and all of the Asian batsmen have struggled on their first away tours. Having a top-order of Abid, Imran, and Saud means your entire top-order brand new. You are gonna have collapses. They will fail and get dropped.
Saud should not open the innings in Test, that's too risky and we may waste such a talented player if he fails. Saud is better off debuting for the #4 or #5 slot where he scored the bulk of his runs.
Also, Usman Sl is better bet for #3 slot because he averages 81 on that slot in FC.
 
When Mohammad Yousuf rates your cover drive very highly, then you must be a pretty good batsman.
 
Zaz said:
If he isnt going to debut against zimbabwe when the test team is 1-0 up when will he debut?

Weve seen this safety first approach from misbah for years now.

What harm can it do to make one lad debut against a very weak team who you ll probably beat again by an innings even without his contribution

Coaching isnt only about padding players stats and battering a minnow team but giving confidence to young lads, developing better players for the future, improving your bench strength easing players into the setup and making sure players in possession dont get too comfortable n lazy

Most people would think this is the ideal scenario to try out a couple of new players but no not misbah He likes throwing new kids in the deep end

Lets wait for a test at the Waca to give the lad a debut
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Least should be expected by MISBAH.. Rightly so he will give them debut in an away series against Aus , NZL or even England..

That is how the set up is when Misbah is in-charge...

Cruel to give chances after chances to nothing batsman like Asif Ali because he is his buddy, but no chances for Saud yet..
 
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Saim Ayub and Mohammad Faizan get picked over the likes of Saud Shakeel, I just want to know on what basis?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From the man who had one of the best cover-drives you will ever see, Mohammad Yousuf "I like Saud Shakeel's batting. He has a beautiful cover-drive, in fact his cover-drive is one of the best I have ever seen" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1406215641028337671?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Saud Shakeel speaking to the media:

“England is not a new place for me to play cricket. I was part of the Pakistan A touring squad that previously toured here and have good knowledge of England conditions. I played against the majority of England fast bowlers during my exposure for Pakistan A. I had a successful tour with the backup team and hopefully, I would give my best if given an opportunity to play for the Pakistan team. I am looking forward to representing Pakistan in the series"

"We have had some intra-squad practice and are looking forward to having more before the start of the series. What you need is maximum exposure on the field before playing such an important series. But here because of the wet weather we have not been able to make full use of the conditions. Even today the rain is heavy and we may not be able to play our second practice match"

“It is always handy to play maximum practice matches. Due to the Covid-19, we cannot play matches against others teams. Our management, however, has organised a few for us and I am looking forward to utilising these opportunities"
 
Worth giving him a go in England.

Easily has the best stats among all our list A batsmen, has been performing for a while and is relatively young. Could help make sure that our middle order will not completely flop like it did in SA.

However wouldn’t be surprised if he gets his chance and prices to be another domestic bully just like the rest of the guys we have given a chance too
 
Saud needs a good run of games once selected . At least 6-7 games . But knowing the fickleness of people on this forum he will be labelled as a TTF after one innings .
 
GreenKhan said:
Saud needs a good run of games once selected . At least 6-7 games . But knowing the fickleness of people on this forum he will be labelled as a TTF after one innings .
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Yes needs to be given a long rope once he gets his debut. He has proven FC record and list A record with good amount of experience of Pak A as well as emerging teams and is 25. So he is definitely one of the best young batsman around in Pakistan whose game can be expanded to more than one format.

He is the kind of player you need to give a long rope, maybe a full season or two to perform. Him succeeding at international level especially in Tests would be one of the very few opportunities for Pak to have a solid test middle order for coming years.

It would be a travesty if he doesn’t succeed at international level as I cant think of many other young Pakistani batsmen with better preparation for the international cricket around.
 
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Titan24 said:
Yes needs to be given a long rope once he gets his debut. He has proven FC record and list A record with good amount of experience of Pak A as well as emerging teams and is 25. So he is definitely one of the best young batsman around in Pakistan whose game can be expanded to more than one format.

He is the kind of player you need to give a long rope, maybe a full season or two to perform. Him succeeding at international level especially in Tests would be one of the very few opportunities for Pak to have a solid test middle order for coming years.

It would be a travesty if he doesn’t succeed at international level as I cant think of many other young Pakistani batsmen with better preparation for the international cricket around.
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His skill level is as good as babar.saud shakeel at 4 and Babar at 3 some of the shots he plays is as good as anyone in world cricket
 
Abdurmirr said:
Worth giving him a go in England.

Easily has the best stats among all our list A batsmen, has been performing for a while and is relatively young. Could help make sure that our middle order will not completely flop like it did in SA.

However wouldn’t be surprised if he gets his chance and prices to be another domestic bully just like the rest of the guys we have given a chance too
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He will succeed he's to good of a player to not succeed but he needs to bat in the top 4
 
Saud has to play today - best opportunity for him.
 
Bring in this kid for Imran Butt, let Azhar open the innings if needed.
 
MenInG said:
Bring in this kid for Imran Butt, let Azhar open the innings if needed.
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I like the idea. Saud & Azhar sounds like a solid combo.

But for there are more chances of an Alien invasion on Planet Earth than Misbah/Waqar thinking out of the box.
 
We definitely need to debut Saud soon. He'd be an ideal #3/#4.
 
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So Saud will need to wait for another eternity to debut for Pakistan!
 
MenInG said:
So Saud will need to wait for another eternity to debut for Pakistan!
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Realistically speaking, we couldn't have dropped either of the openers. Imran scored a 90-odd just a couple of tests ago, and Abid Ali a double hundred (plus a healthy avg). This is probably where playing full strength against less established teams like ZIM can be detrimental to the overall quality of PCT. That's probably an argument for another day though.

I think it's good that we persisted with the opening pair we've picked. Back them to come good. If they don't after a reasonable amount of games, then change will definitely be warranted. As much as I want to see Saud in the whites, the last thing we want to repeat is horrendous amounts of chopping and changing.
 
OmarKhan99 said:
Realistically speaking, we couldn't have dropped either of the openers. Imran scored a 90-odd just a couple of tests ago, and Abid Ali a double hundred (plus a healthy avg). This is probably where playing full strength against less established teams like ZIM can be detrimental to the overall quality of PCT. That's probably an argument for another day though.

I think it's good that we persisted with the opening pair we've picked. Back them to come good. If they don't after a reasonable amount of games, then change will definitely be warranted. As much as I want to see Saud in the whites, the last thing we want to repeat is horrendous amounts of chopping and changing.
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Exactly if your going to pick someone give them a reasonable chance
 
I feel the objective is to win games. If Abid Ali and Imran Butt are not delivering then its times to change.
 
OmarKhan99 said:
Realistically speaking, we couldn't have dropped either of the openers. Imran scored a 90-odd just a couple of tests ago, and Abid Ali a double hundred (plus a healthy avg). This is probably where playing full strength against less established teams like ZIM can be detrimental to the overall quality of PCT. That's probably an argument for another day though.

I think it's good that we persisted with the opening pair we've picked. Back them to come good. If they don't after a reasonable amount of games, then change will definitely be warranted. As much as I want to see Saud in the whites, the last thing we want to repeat is horrendous amounts of chopping and changing.
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I agree in most cases but the batsmen do have to show some promise too

If imran was making 20s and 30s id back him for a few more tests Give him time to work things out n move to the next level But hes not doing even that He looks a walking wkt every time he bats a 2nd highest score of 15 doesnt read well at all

Hes had 8 completed innings and only made above 15 in one innings against zimbabwe

He hasnt even remotely looked capable that he can even semi handle things at this level
 
Could the impossible happen and Saud get another chance to play for Pakistan today?
 
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Named as captain of Pakistan 'A' for tour of Sri Lanka - great opportunity now for him to show what he is made of.
 
Currently, 106* as Pakistan Shaheens Captain in the 1st 4-Day game against SL A
 
This kid has a bright future for Pakistan in test cricket. And this knock will give him alot of confidence.

This is the benefit of A cricket. In this match he faced Embuldeniya: Sri Lanka's premier test match spinner and a number of other up and comers who will likely be playing for Sri Lanka soon.

Also wonder if playing him as opener is a deliberate attempt to get him into the side. Which I welcome ofcourse. Because he's a great player but right now its hard for him to get into side batting in the middle-order, which looks fairly settled. The opening slots however don't.
 
Ideal Batting Line Up for Pakistan Test Team next year;

Salahuddin
Saud Shakeel
Babar
Abdullah Shafique
Kamran Ghulam
Fawad Alam
Rizwan
 
Shahzad1985 said:
Ideal Batting Line Up for Pakistan Test Team next year;

Salahuddin
Saud Shakeel
Babar
Abdullah Shafique
Kamran Ghulam
Fawad Alam
Rizwan
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Excellent line up but highly unlikely they will make that many changes also I would play an all rounder instead of a batter
 
Shahzad1985 said:
Ideal Batting Line Up for Pakistan Test Team next year;

Salahuddin
Saud Shakeel
Babar
Abdullah Shafique
Kamran Ghulam
Fawad Alam
Rizwan
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My Test batting order now would be:

1. Usman Salahuddin
2. Mohammad Rizwan (c)
3. Saud Shakeel
4. Babar Azam
5. Kamran Ghulam or Abdullah Shafique or Haider Ali
6. Rohail Nazir (wk)
7. Shadab Khan (vc)
8. Faheem Ashraf

It’s a new World Test Championship cycle, so cull the old-timers!
 
Junaids said:
My Test batting order now would be:

1. Usman Salahuddin
2. Mohammad Rizwan (c)
3. Saud Shakeel
4. Babar Azam
5. Kamran Ghulam or Abdullah Shafique or Haider Ali
6. Rohail Nazir (wk)
7. Shadab Khan (vc)
8. Faheem Ashraf

It’s a new World Test Championship cycle, so cull the old-timers!
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Rizwan would be a walking wicket in test match.
 
Not selected for the first Test, a little disappointed to be honest. Should have been in the playing 11, he's in a good form.
 
Very disappointed that Saud isn't in the first test.Azhar should have made to open.
 
I still don't understand the logic of having Imam and Abdullah ahead of Saud. Although I do like both Imam and Abdullah (seem to have competitive spirits), but Saud just looks a class apart whenever you see him bat. He's also shown his potential as an opener if Azhar is reluctant to move back up the order.

Should have ideally debuted a few years ago, but this is the next best time.
 
A very happy Saud Shakeel looking ahead to the Australian tour

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Can't wait for him to Azhar Ali's backup and drinks man for hundredth time... just give him a chance already
 
Saud needs to play ahead of Azhar ali who has nothing left to offer the test side.
 
He opened against Sri Lanka A should do the same for Pakistan because Azhar is not retiring anytime soon.
 
I feel we are rating Saud as the next saviour.

19 times out of 20, the next saviour turns out to be the next sinker.

I would fully back Azhar Ali for the Australia tests.
 
Will he make his Test debut against Australia?

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If Azhar Ali puts up performances this Aus series on the level of 2003 WC Mahela Jayawardene, then I can see him being dropped for Saud :asad1.
 
We need to move on from Azhar and I don’t care if azhar scores a triple century here.

Give Saud Shakeel a chance
 
TheSultan said:
We need to move on from Azhar and I don’t care if azhar scores a triple century here.

Give Saud Shakeel a chance
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Agreed 100%, sadly captain and selectors arent thinking of teams middle order longterm.
 
Interesting that Iftikhar was brought in as a late addition to the squad and picked ahead of Saud in the starting XI. Not good signs for Saud at all.
 
Saj said:
Interesting that Iftikhar was brought in as a late addition to the squad and picked ahead of Saud in the starting XI. Not good signs for Saud at all.
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Not really, Saj. The Number 7 position was always between Wasim Jr and Iftikhar and I think Pakistan made the right decision to pick Ifti.

Saud will realistically only get into the xi when Azhar Ali or Fawad Alam retire or one of the two have a terrible loss of form.
 
Sher Khan said:
Not really, Saj. The Number 7 position was always between Wasim Jr and Iftikhar and I think Pakistan made the right decision to pick Ifti.

Saud will realistically only get into the xi when Azhar Ali or Fawad Alam retire or one of the two have a terrible loss of form.
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I would definitely agree with you regarding the number 7 position.
 
shamaan said:
I would definitely agree with you regarding the number 7 position.
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I really want to see him play in International cricket. But his best output will be in the top order, because he is a batsman who can bowl a bit. I really hope Pakistan don't mess his potential by regarding him an Allrounder and batting him way down the order.
 
Not a smart choice to play chacha Iftikhar at 7. With Rizwan one of your best batsman at # 6, team needed a bowler or bowling all rounder, someone like Waseem Jr or Shadab at # 7 , not Iftikhar who is a batsman and can bowl 4-5 overs. Its ultra-defensive move, a road like wicket and 7 batsmen , playing for draw.

Considering this wicket, it should be a one innings each test.
 
Good catch from Saud in the first odi vs Australia.

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Over rated?

The guy blew his chance again today.

Also in 27 t20s, he is yet to hit a six
 
picking a 4/5 day batter for ODIs.

get the guys format right :facepalm:
 
Amjid Javed said:
picking a 4/5 day batter for ODIs.

get the guys format right :facepalm:
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Predictable result

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Never rated this guy he’s just an average player who will flop every time he plays international cricket.
 
I have never been impressed watching him. Kamran Ghulam and Shan Masood both deserved to be there in his place.
 
Playing a Test specialist batsman in an ODI - especially when the asking rate is 7.5+ is a bad idea.

Thats how we discard actual talent - see Fawad Alam.
 
Weak shot today.

strike-rate of 84 in the 50 over format.

Is ODIs really a strong format for him?
 
Saj said:
Weak shot today.

strike-rate of 84 in the 50 over format.

Is ODIs really a strong format for him?
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Any one with a brain can see hes a longer format batsmen. im sure he will be dropped from test squad soon based on white ball performances.
 
Can somebody explain to me when and Saud Shakeel became an automatic pick in the ODI XI.
 
Looked poor today. But he’s more suited to a test player. Unfortunately he can’t get in due to the experience of Azhar Bradman and Shivnarine Alam
 
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