ICC approves hybrid model for Champions Trophy 2025, extends the same policy to ICC events hosted by either country during the 2024-2027 rights cycle

[uppercut]

lol even if you look at 2010s Ind has more series/cup wins. Let's look at series in 2010s as well.

Cause if you are including Kitply cups then look at WCs and ACs and CTs as well (which have more teams than Kitply cups and are more competitive)

Let's look at series/cups won where Ind def Pak or o/w

2000s
Ind won 3 bilateral ODI series
Ind won 2 bilateral test series
Ind won 2007 T20 WC

Pak won 1 bilateral ODI series
Pak won 1 bilateral test series
Pak won Kitply cup

So that's 6-3

2010s
Ind won 2011 WC
Ind won 2013 CT
Ind won 2010 AC
Ind won 2016 AC
Ind won 2018 AC

Pak won 1 bilateral ODI series
Pak won 2017 CT

That's 5-2

2020s
Ind won 2023 AC
Ind won 2024 T20 WC

That's 2-0

So in all three decades, India has had way more meaningful wins than Pak. Pak's wins are like in 14 AC or 21 T20 WC or 09 CT where they did not even win the cup.

You forgot 2003 WC where we eliminated Pak (They had to win that match) and we also beat them in the 2007 T20 Group match lol

 

[saimayubera]

You forgot 2003 WC where we eliminated Pak ( They had to win that match ) and we also beat them in the 2007 T20 Group match lol

2003 we did not go on to win.

Looking at series/cups where one team defeated the other and went on to win. O/w things like 1996, 2014, 2016, 2019, 2023 WCs will also be counted.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

2000s
Ind won 3 bilateral ODI series
Ind won 2 bilateral test series
Ind won 2007 T20 WC

Pak won 1 bilateral ODI series
Pak won 1 bilateral test series
Pak won Kitply cup

like i said conveniently switching up selective stats. First problem is you are separating 2000s and 2010s to prove your point. We take a starting point of 2004 because India was resurgent and supposed to do better than Pakistan with better set of players. Dominance is measured in h2h because Ind vs Pak is rare and any game even outside series is imp. so start your counter from 2004 and go till 2017 .. If india’s win exceed more than 10 then we can say India dominated Pak in all those years You know H2H gap was created 90s. Im not counting any cups of 1990s with that many games we played from 2004 to 2017 why India still struggled to close h2h gap?

 

[uppercut]

2003 we did not go on to win.

Looking at series/cups where one team defeated the other and went on to win. O/w things like 1996, 2014, 2016, 2019, 2023 WCs will also be counted.

Doesn't work like that for WC games ... especially when we get to eliminate them lol. Thats why the WC streak is a extraordinary streak. Even if we Include the T20I WC its 15-1. Totally demoralizing pwnage.

 

[saimayubera]

like i said conveniently switching up selective stats. First problem is you are separating 2000s and 2010s to prove your point. We take a starting point of 2004 because India was resurgent and supposed to do better than Pakistan with better set of players. Dominance is measured in h2h because Ind vs Pak is rare and any game even outside series is imp. so start your counter from 2004 and go till 2017 .. If india’s win exceed more than 10 then we can say India dominated Pak in all those years You know H2H gap was created 90s. Im not counting any cups of 1990s with that many games we played from 2004 to 2017 why India still struggled to close h2h gap?

Because Pak's h2h was also boosted in the 80s also Einstein. That's why the h2h has not closed yet.

Dominance isn't measured in h2h. A dead rubber match won is not equal to a match won which leads to a WC. Pak winning in the group stages of some AC or CT is not equal to winning a WC semi (11) or final (07)

Also your time periods are still too convenient. 2004-17 doesn't even make sense cause the players are not even the same.

2004-07 Pak was still a decent team with Inzy, Shoaib and Youhana. Post that it's gone. Post 07 Ind team also changed with Dravid/Ganguly etc all removed from the ODI teams and Dhoni becoming captain.

1990s
Pak 28- Ind 18 (W/L 1.555)

2004-07 (till Inzy retirement)
Pak 15 - Ind 13 (but Ind won more series)

2007-2017 (Dhoni takeover captain to your arbitrary CT time)
Ind 20 - Pak 10 (W/L 2)

In that time period Ind won T20 WC 07, WC 11, CT 13, AC 10, AC 16 defeating Pak in each of them
Pak only won CT 17

Post 2017 CT
Ind 8 - Pak 2 (W/L 4)

In this time period Ind won T20 WC 24, AC 18, AC 23 defeating Pak in each of them
Pak haven't won anything

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Guys this thread is not to discuss head to head records of Pakistan and India so plz stick to the topic

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Because Pak's h2h was also boosted in the 80s also Einstein. That's why the h2h has not closed yet.

haha ok Einstein, thats the thing. if you did nt close H2H Gap post 2004 , Then India did nt dominate Pak like 80s and 90s

 

[saimayubera]

haha ok Einstein, thats the thing. if you did nt close H2H Gap post 2004 , Then India did nt dominate Pak like 80s and 90s

They did lol. Their W/L ratio was more than Pak's was in 80s and 90s.

Pak just played MORE (especially bialterals) in 80's and 90's.

That's MATHs.

2010s - Ind-Pak W/L ratio - 3
2020s - 2.5

1980s - 2.3
1990s - 1.555

2020s and 2010s W/L ratio more than 80's and 90's. India dominated Pak more in the 2010s and 2020s compared to Pak in the 80s and 90s.

04-07 was even (although Ind won more series). Post Inzy retirement, downhill.

 

[sweep_shot]

Naah. It is the reverse.

Pakistanis will have to live with the hope that they don't play in India.

Reality is different from "Agreements".

2023 AC, 2023 WC, 2025 CT all were hosted the way India wanted even if there were "agreements" before. NOTHING has been hosted the way Pak wanted. That is the REALITY ie what actually happened.

If BCCI doesn't honor the agreement, it would only show BCCI is a scumbag and untrustworthy organization.

Nothing to chest thump about it. That would be quite shameful actually.

 

[uppercut]

If BCCI doesn't honor the agreement, it would only show BCCI is a scumbag and untrustworthy organization.

Nothing to chest thump about it. That would be quite shameful actually.

What are you going to do about it other than whining and crying? Sue bcci like Sethi tried a few years ago and got pwned badly?

 

[BouncerGuy]

LOL. I don't like him very much but he is funny here and seems right as well. BCCI has many books of excuses to present.

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Ahmed Shehzad speaking on his Youtube Channel:

"Build a stadium on the border. One gate should open in India, the other in Pakistan. Their players can come from there, our players can go from here. But again, I think BCCI or the Indian government will have an issue. They'll say that when your player comes to the field on our side, we'll not give him a visa for that,"

"Pakistan had a golden chance to host India. All cricket boards had signed the agreement in 2021 that Pakistan will host the Champions Trophy. ICC cannot back off. PCB has missed the chance I think. We should forget that the Indian team will ever come to Pakistan now. Just forget it. The only way you could have brought India here was by an ICC event,"

 

[Farhan The Man]

LOL. I don't like him very much but he is funny here and seems right as well. BCCI has many books of excuses to present.

"Build a stadium on the border. One gate should open in India, the other in Pakistan. Their players can come from there, our players can go from here. But again, I think BCCI or the Indian government will have an issue. They'll say that when your player comes to the field on our side, we'll not give him a visa for that,"

You know why injuns don't want to come. Because they are enemies. Enemies don't want their counterparts to benefit off them.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

They did lol. Their W/L ratio was more than Pak's was in 80s and 90s.

Pak just played MORE (especially bialterals) in 80's and 90's.

That's MATHs.

2010s - Ind-Pak W/L ratio - 3
2020s - 2.5

1980s - 2.3
1990s - 1.555

2020s and 2010s W/L ratio more than 80's and 90's. India dominated Pak more in the 2010s and 2020s compared to Pak in the 80s and 90s.

04-07 was even (although Ind won more series). Post Inzy retirement, downhill.

haha what is 04-07 stat? conveniently switching up years and making numbers that suit you

Here is actual stat decade wise with W/L ratio in ODIs

1970s

Ind 1 Pak 3 W/L 2.0 for Pak

1980s

Pak 19 Ind 9 N/R 4 W/L 2.11 for Pak

1990s

Pak 26 Ind 17 N/R 3 W/L 1.53 for Pak

2000s

Pak 22 Ind 18 N/R 1 W/L 1.22 for Pak

2010s

Pak Ind 10 Pak 4 N/R 1 W/L 2.50 for Ind

2020s is not over yet. no point making numbers on that


India has better W/L ratio in 2010s but 2010s had lowest matches compared to last 3 decades in which Pak has better W/L ratio. Cant call it pure domination. Not enough Games outside tournaments

Now Test record of Both sides is similar

not Enough t20s in 2010s outside tournament to make any judgment. Only series that happened was drawn game

We all know india does well Against Pak in tournaments but when it comes to bilateral cricket , Ind could nt dominate Pakistan post 2003 Era like they were supposed to. on series win counter they are 1 series ahead but who calls that domination? H2H difference huge despite 15-1 in ICC WCs

 

[saimayubera]

haha what is 04-07 stat? conveniently switching up years and making numbers that suit you

Here is actual stat decade wise with W/L ratio in ODIs

1970s

Ind 1 Pak 3 W/L 2.0 for Pak

1980s

Pak 19 Ind 9 N/R 4 W/L 2.11 for Pak

1990s

Pak 26 Ind 17 N/R 3 W/L 1.53 for Pak

2000s

Pak 22 Ind 18 N/R 1 W/L 1.22 for Pak

2010s

Pak Ind 10 Pak 4 N/R 1 W/L 2.50 for Ind

2020s is not over yet. no point making numbers on that


India has better W/L ratio in 2010s but 2010s had lowest matches compared to last 3 decades in which Pak has better W/L ratio. Cant call it pure domination. Not enough Games outside tournaments

Now Test record of Both sides is similar

not Enough t20s in 2010s outside tournament to make any judgment. Only series that happened was drawn game

We all know india does well Against Pak in tournaments but when it comes to bilateral cricket , Ind could nt dominate Pakistan post 2003 Era like they were supposed to. on series win counter they are 1 series ahead but who calls that domination? H2H difference huge despite 15-1 in ICC WCs

Lol what excluding T20s as well tournaments hahaha.

Tournaments>bilaterals

That is the DEFINITION of DOMINATION.

2010s is 15-5 no matter how you spin it. You can't exclude T20s cause they are in tournaments lol.

2004-07 isn't convenience. It's the four consecutive bilateral series plus Inzy era. Shoaib, Inzy, Youhana all left post that.

Post 2003 India are AHEAD in TWO bilateral series cause there was an extra test series that India won. You just omitted it by saying "test record is similar" but India WON 2 test series against Pak compared to Pak's 1. And Ind was the ONLY one to win both home/away. Pak couldn't win in Ind in 2005/07 in tests but Ind won in Pak in 2004. Similarly Pak couldn't win at home against Ind in ODIs in 2004/06. Ind was the ONLY one to win both home (2007) and away (2004/06).

In fact in 2004 and 2007 Ind won all the series in all the formats (one home/one away for good measure), something Pak never managed to do.

From the 2003 onwards tournaments - Ind's 1 WC, 2 T20 WC, 1 CT, 4 AC vs Pak's 1 T20 WC, 1 CT, 1 AC - 8-3

In the 1 AC Pak won they lost to India and didn't play Ind in 09 T20 WC. In all of India's tournament wins Ind defeated Pak and never lost, sometimes twice in a tournament (07,18).

Reason they aren't more ahead in bilaterals is cause bilateral stopped. But the tournament domination gives a good idea of what bilateral would be like.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

In fact in 2004 and 2007 Ind won all the series in all the formats (one home/one away for good measure), something Pak never managed to do.

Delusion has no boundaries . Pak gave thorough drubbing to Ind in Ind 4-2 during 2005 ODI series

Series counter in ODI is 3-1 during 2000s . after 2007 you were supposed to come back in 2008 but ran away from playing
its 1-0 in 2010s Not our Fault you did nt want to play

You won two test series in 2000s but again did n come back in 2008 to take one L again Pak effectively defeated you 2-1 in 1998-99 playing 3 Test matches in India so yeah Ind has no advantage in tests

There is no spinning 2010s. There are not enough matches even if we include t20s in WC games. Pak sustained positive W/L in 80s 90s and 2000s playing more cricket almost double the number of games

Pakistanis concede that Ind dominates in tournaments. but Bilateral are completely different story, you can spin it by saying only tournaments matter

 

[chakdeindian]

Using phrases like "some board is at the mercy of the ICC and BCCI" really reveals your thought process. So what if other boards depend on the ICC? If they all left the ICC, who would India play against? The arrogance is baffling. What does that have to do with BCCI refusing to tour Pakistan anyway? Why can't BCCI just admit they want to sabotage the PCB on purpose?

Did any Indian security team even visit Pakistan to check the arrangements for the Champions Trophy? How can they claim Pakistan isn’t safe without conducting their own security assessments? Are the security teams from England, Australia, and New Zealand just a bunch of amateurs for agreeing to tour Pakistan?

What you call arrogance is the truth which you may deny to accept..the question of other boards leaving will never come because BCCI doesn't have problem with them and they are treated with equal respect..Tell me any board other than PCB that has problem with India..Even with PCB, the problem is not with your board or players, but your country policy and constant terrorism support..we don't need to send a security team to check and tell what Pakistan is..th decision not to send Indian team to Pak was taken much before srilankan team attack..It's a protest against constant terrorism activities

 

[chakdeindian]

You don't actually understand what has happened do you.

The indian board wanted the CT totally removed from Pakistan but flopped and had to settle for fusion / hybrid model.

They also wanted Pakistan to play their matches in india when they hosted which Pakistan refused and why this whole drama has taken weeks.

Pakistan then threatened to pull out of the CT if the Tournament was totally removed from Pakistan.

The broadcasters wanted the Pakistan v india games at all costs other wise the richest board would loose money and not be so rich and the ICC would be over.

Without the Pakistan v india games the ICC and the other boards are done financially which means INTL cricket would seize to exist.

The alternative for the richest board was to show their financial power and ego and pay all the other boards and The ICC for all the lost revenue occurred every ICC tournament which obviously isn't sustainable as the richest board would go bust.

Overall Pakistan has kept the CT on a fusion/ Hybrid model, Got a Woman's WC Tournament, Being paid compensation for the fusion model and wont play any games v india in india for the foreseeable cycle.

Morale of the story is without Pakistan cricket stops otherwise this wouldn't of gone on for weeks.

It takes two to Tango and without us you aint selling S**t.

Tough pill for the hardcore indian nationists to swallow but its just Plain hard facts based on current reality.

Nationalist Propaganda and ego clouds judgement.

Typical Porkistani living in a delusion thinking Pakistan has upper hand..BCCI never asked CT to be moved out of Pakistan..tell me one PCB member who said that BCCI wants CT to be moved to another country..It's your PCB folks who said initially CT will be completely played in Pakistan and not hybrid..It's the PCB, who said they will boycott CT if it is not played completely in Pakistan..it's your Naqvi who said they won't give up their rights and pak pride and may play without India if they have to..there were various proposals from PCB including one where India plays only in Karachi and travel back to India post the match..It's your board later said ok to hybrid but semifinal and final has to be played in Pakistan..Later they again weakened their stance by agreeing to Hybrid model only if India agree to play hybrid till 2032..at last it came to a compromise till 2028, in between where there is only one WC T20 which is already a hybrid with 2 hosts and one women odi world cup for which Pak team is ranked 10 and may not even qualify..the one extra female T20 wc allocated is also going to be a hybrid..all PCB gets extra will be from women world cups..w.r.t broadcasters FYI IPL which is played without Pak players earns more than ICC tournaments..the broadcasters demand for India pak match is more to do with Indian viewership than the Pakistan..and it's not a cricket rivalry but because of the political rivalry.. apart from India match, broadcasters don't bother about your matches with any other teams.. reiterating again without playing you in Bilaterals for more than 10 years, we are the richest board, but PCB post boycott from India has only become poorer..they are not able to conduct a tournament in their own soil without India..that's so pathetic and you Pakis need to dig your face in **** out of shame..your pride is sold for the business

 

[FearlessRoar]

Ahmed Shehzad proposed an unconventional solution to restore cricketing ties between Pakistan and India during a podcast conversation:

“I suggested the idea of building a stadium by the border. One gate would be towards India, the other gate would be towards Pakistan. The players would come from the respective gates and play.”

“But even then there would be issues for the BCCI and their government. When their players come to the field by our side, they would need visas which they would not get.”

 

[FearlessRoar]

Ahmed Shehzad said on his YouTube channel:

"Pakistan has once again compromised on its self-respect. All those big talks that we will not accept a hybrid model, India will have to come, we are a safe country, have India come? They have not. Eventually, you had to accept the hybrid model but with a different name. Maybe you have accepted that Pakistan is not a safe country. This is exactly India’s complaint and now by agreeing to a hybrid model, you have approved India’s claims.”

"Tell me why are you fooling Pakistan’s people? Why are you playing with people’s emotions?”

“This is an ICC tournament, not Asia Cup that you agreed to a hybrid model. Now whether you go to India or not, it’s India who initiated this. If the ICC tournament was in India, would it have been possible for PCB to make BCCI agree to a hybrid model? It is impossible. The Indian players who made the big claims knew that their board was committed. They had said two years back that even for an ICC tournament India will not go to Pakistan and this has been proven right today.”

"Champions Trophy 2025 was allotted to Pakistan but they have lost a chance, they lost their self-respect and a golden chance to bring the Indian team to Pakistan, to give a chance to our fans to watch Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma, Jasprit Bumrah, Rishabh Pant, but this chance has been lost because of our seniors’ weak policy."

“India made strategic moves and became successful. Regardless of their influence, other boards being close to them and Jay Shah being ICC president, our stand should have been stronger. If PCB wanted and put up a strong case, it was impossible that India would not have come to Pakistan but PCB somewhere kept making compromises.”

 

[saimayubera]

Delusion has no boundaries . Pak gave thorough drubbing to Ind in Ind 4-2 during 2005 ODI series

Series counter in ODI is 3-1 during 2000s . after 2007 you were supposed to come back in 2008 but ran away from playing
its 1-0 in 2010s Not our Fault you did nt want to play

You won two test series in 2000s but again did n come back in 2008 to take one L again Pak effectively defeated you 2-1 in 1998-99 playing 3 Test matches in India so yeah Ind has no advantage in tests

There is no spinning 2010s. There are not enough matches even if we include t20s in WC games. Pak sustained positive W/L in 80s 90s and 2000s playing more cricket almost double the number of games

Pakistanis concede that Ind dominates in tournaments. but Bilateral are completely different story, you can spin it by saying only tournaments matter

Lol no.

Using hypothetical series from 2008. No one played tests with Pakistan in 2008 due to political crisis.

Through drubbing was 4-1 in 2006. Pak could not even win a bilateral ODI series at home post 2000s. India won at home in 2007.

Pak would have been destroyed in tests in 2008 but got saved due to India not touring. That entire team sucked with Inzy retiring, Shoaib retired, Youhana going off to play ICL. That team kept getting beaten badly in 2009.

Post 2000s India has been better in tests.

2010s there have been enough matches. Not enough matches Pakistan has won. That I agree.

15-5

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Lol no.

Using hypothetical series from 2008. No one played tests with Pakistan in 2008 due to political crisis.

Through drubbing was 4-1 in 2006. Pak could not even win a bilateral ODI series at home post 2000s. India won at home in 2007.

Pak would have been destroyed in tests in 2008 but got saved due to India not touring. That entire team sucked with Inzy retiring, Shoaib retired, Youhana going off to play ICL. That team kept getting beaten badly in 2009.

Post 2000s India has been better in tests.

2010s there have been enough matches. Not enough matches Pakistan has won. That I agree.

15-5

hahaha delusion has no boundaries

With reality checking shifting goal post to Home and away series counter

When someone confronts Indians about H2H gap despite winning 15-1 in ICC tournaments , They will conveniently say only Tourneys Matter

Would have Been Could Have been does nt matter . You backed away and did nt come in 2008

We came in 2012 and won at your backyard. There was no transition in that Indian team. Several of your batters from that team continued well beyond that series to play for India a lame excuse for not winning

If you have more series win in 2000s then we have more series wins in 2010s.. Does nt matter if it’s only one again not our fault you continuously refused to play and chicken out Misbah’s team destroyed England in 2011 and same team destroyed you in 2012 at your home in 2012 By That evidence Pak would have won more test matches against Billion $ Team From 2011-2017 Pak was top test team in spinning conditions and even drew in England 2-2 where India got drubbing of 4-0 couple years prior Dnt peddle this would have could have