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ICC Champions Trophy 2025 | Pakistan vs New Zealand | Match 01 | Karachi | February 19 | Pre-Match Discussion

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After a competitive tri-series, New Zealand claimed the trophy with a magnificent all-round performance, while Pakistan showed great commitment but couldn't finish the series on a high note.

Now, after losing two games in the tri-nation series, Pakistan will be under pressure as they face New Zealand in a crucial event. New Zealand looks well-established and balanced, whereas Pakistan is still searching for a winning combination.

In the opening game of the Champions Trophy, Pakistan will aim to capitalize on home advantage while New Zealand will start as favorites. Who do you think will win this exciting contest?

Squads:

New Zealand Squad: Mitchell Santner (c), Michael Bracewell, Mark Chapman, Devon Conway, Lockie Ferguson, Matt Henry, Tom Latham, Daryl Mitchell, William ORourke, Glenn Phillips, Rachin Ravindra, Ben Sears, Nathan Smith, Kane Williamson, Will Young

Pakistan Squad: Fakhar Zaman, Khushdil Shah, Babar Azam, Mohammad Rizwan(w/c), Salman Agha, Kamran Ghulam, Tayyab Tahir, Shaheen Afridi, Naseem Shah, Haris Rauf, Abrar Ahmed, Mohammad Hasnain, Usman Khan, Faheem Ashraf, Saud Shakeel

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Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Saud Shakeel
Mohammad Rizwan
Salman Agha
Tayyab Tahir
Irfan Niazi (injury replacement)
Naseem Shah
Haris Rauf
Abrar Ahmed
Shaheen Afridi

Salman Agha is the 5th bowler.
 
Anybody's game, NZ if they don't lose on their nerves can easily win this one.
 
Sick and tired of these frauds with no actual ability hiding behind players to do all the hard work and assert dominance with the bat

Why isn’t Rizwan the coward being called out?

Who told this chawwal to make statements like “the pitch is slow and will turn so it will not be a 350 target today” before a single ball is bowled?

Him and his mouthpieces Bazid, Sana, Aamer and Sikander kept on harping on and on about how the pitch isn’t the same road from the other day and it’s a bit this and that to defend his b.s approach!

When will this nation wake up and realise this conman is taking you all for a ride?!

Charles Sobraj of Pakistan cricket!!
 
Rana said:
Sick and tired of these frauds with no actual ability hiding behind players to do all the hard work and assert dominance with the bat

Why isn’t Rizwan the coward being called out?

Who told this chawwal to make statements like “the pitch is slow and will turn so it will not be a 350 target today” before a single ball is bowled?

Him and his mouthpieces Bazid, Sana, Aamer and Sikander kept on harping on and on about how the pitch isn’t the same road from the other day and it’s a bit this and that to defend his b.s approach!

When will this nation wake up and realise this conman is taking you all for a ride?!

Charles Sobraj of Pakistan cricket!!
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Oh please look at australia for instance they got proper humiliation in the hands of sri lankan who are not even part of champions trophy so dont worry about pakistan they know how to turn it on in icc tournaments.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Oh please look at australia for instance they got proper humiliation in the hands of sri lankan who are not even part of champions trophy so dont worry about pakistan they know how to turn it on in icc tournaments.
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Which ICC event have they turned up to? The 2023 World Cup? The T20i World Cup in USA?


Put your bloody arrogance to a side!
 
Rana said:
Which ICC event have they turned up to? The 2023 World Cup? The T20i World Cup in USA?


Put your bloody arrogance to a side!
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Well you can say what you like in the end we all know pak has got the team for champions trophy and they are playing at home got all bases covered like aqib mentioned.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Well you can say what you like in the end we all know pak has got the team for champions trophy and they are playing at home got all bases covered like aqib mentioned.
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What all bases covered????????


Your batsman besides Fakhar are incapable of playing more than a sr of 70 in their first 15-20 odd deliveries!

Your pacers are cannon fodder?!

Your lower order doesn’t want to take the initiative and let your 9-11 take the risks with the bat!?

Your spinners relied on one bloke for mystery and that bloke seems neutralised against the sweep shot


What all bases covered??? Can you not use your own brain to think whether this is true or not?
 
Rana said:
What all bases covered????????


Your batsman besides Fakhar are incapable of playing more than a sr of 70 in their first 15-20 odd deliveries!

Your pacers are cannon fodder?!

Your lower order doesn’t want to take the initiative and let your 9-11 take the risks with the bat!?

Your spinners relied on one bloke for mystery and that bloke seems neutralised against the sweep shot


What all bases covered??? Can you not use your own brain to think whether this is true or not?
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So tell me what do you want to do shoot the team or what like misbah said kia mein misile maru attacking cricket kia hoti fits well here will support this team till my last breath cant bear anything negative about this team period.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Saud Shakeel
Mohammad Rizwan
Salman Agha
Tayyab Tahir
Irfan Niazi (injury replacement)
Naseem Shah
Haris Rauf
Abrar Ahmed
Shaheen Afridi

Salman Agha is the 5th bowler.
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Salman cant bowl the 10 overs quote alone.. we need another part timer
 
This is going to be make or break for Pakistan. They just cannot afford to lost this game... DO or DIE situation.
 
Haris Rauf back in the attack would bring a lot more stability and wickets in middle and death overs. Rizwan just need to use his spinners right. Might need to bring Salman early.
 
First of all Pakistan has to kick out 4ft saud out along with khushdil fraud and nerd abrar and obviously sifarshi faheem.

If Pakistan select these clowns they will be playing with 7 players.

Coach and selectors have messed up big time by selecting these jokers in the squad.

Rab hi raakha Pakistan team da with these losers.
 
I think time to give Usman a run. He should been tried in the final but nope.

Saud has failed to impress TBH.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Well why just cant we support whoever is selected spinners wont be missed pak got their pacers which is their strength just like australia.
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Are you trying to compare the Hazelwood Cummins and Starc, the veteran trio with 800+ wickets between them with Pakistani noobs
 
Kianig89 said:
Are you trying to compare the Hazelwood Cummins and Starc, the veteran trio with 800+ wickets between them with Pakistani noobs
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Kianig89 said:
Are you trying to compare the Hazelwood Cummins and Starc, the veteran trio with 800+ wickets between them with Pakistani noob
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Well why not pak fast bowlers are similar to australian one just because they played more they got those wickets same with pak fast bowling is pak biggest weapon which can win them a champion trophy
Kianig89 said:
Are you trying to compare the Hazelwood Cummins and Starc, the veteran trio with 800+ wickets between them with Pakistani noobs
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NZ are a very disciplined team. Pakistan will have to produce a freak batting or bowling spell to win.

Man for man- no chance.
 
Aqib_mustafa said:
Pak have got nz number in icc tournaments wont be any surprises if pak wins again
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This is true. I don't remember when was the last time NZ beat Pakistan in an ICC event. I think it was 2009 CT.

Pakistan tend to always beat NZ during ICC events.

Similarly, NZ tend to beat India in ICC events. So, I am guessing NRR may come into play.
 
NZ should be overwhelming favourites to win this but PAK still has a puncher's chance.
 
sweep_shot said:
This is true. I don't remember when was the last time NZ beat Pakistan in an ICC event. I think it was 2009 CT.

Pakistan tend to always beat NZ during ICC events.

Similarly, NZ tend to beat India in ICC events. So, I am guessing NRR may come into play.
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Correction: Last time NZ beat Pakistan in an ICC event was in 2016 World T20.
 
Pak v NZ in ICC ODI events - 2000 onwards

2000 KC - 🇳🇿
2006 CT - 🇳🇿
2009 CT - 🇳🇿
2011 WC - 🇳🇿
2019 WC - 🇵🇰
2023 WC - 🇵🇰
 
sweep_shot said:
This is true. I don't remember when was the last time NZ beat Pakistan in an ICC event. I think it was 2009 CT.

Pakistan tend to always beat NZ during ICC events.

Similarly, NZ tend to beat India in ICC events. So, I am guessing NRR may come into play.
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And India tend to beat Pak.... I think you missed the not so pleasant part of the cycle
 
RahulBose said:
And India tend to beat Pak.... I think you missed the not so pleasant part of the cycle
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Well...no, strictly speaking from a champions trophy point of view - Pakistan tends to get the better of India (and NZ too).
 
ahmed16 said:
Well...no, strictly speaking from a champions trophy point of view - Pakistan tends to get the better of India (and NZ too).
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Do you think champions trophy is somehow not just a one day game in a multipi team tournament?

It is the same rationale as one of the other thread which was celebrating Indian loss on Sundays as if Sundays have any tangible impact on the game.

Just because the name of the tournament is Champions trophy does not mean India Pak one day history is moot.
 
New Zealand for some reason always have a wood on Pakistan when it comes to ICC champions trophy unlike World Cup where Pakistan beats them almost every time..
 
PakFan2010 said:
Does anyone expect Pakistan to win?

New Zealand are a stronger team.
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I guess there can be some optimism that losing 3 in a row at home vs NZ is probably unlikely but you never know with Pakistan.

The biggest disappointing thing is it seems like other teams seem to understand Pakistan's condition than Pakistan does. Tight consistent spin bowling from the opposition keeps choking Pakistan until they just get themselves out.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
NZ have the edge which makes it the perfect stage for a PAK comeback
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Tbf, we should have won the first encounter against them. We lost the tri series final because we were outplayed in all departments but match 1 was a brain fade.

Bowling was good and tight but suddenly by the death overs, Shaheen and Naseem just went full toss mode and Philips kept reverse scooping behind the keepers head. The absence of Rauf was another setback since agha had to bowl 4 overs at the death and Philips capitalised.

Then while batting Fakhar and Rizwan had brain fades. None of those deliveries were good enough to warrant a lbw. Fakhar should have gotten a 120 to 150 score and he was set for one.

1st match was 100% a brain fade + some unlucky moments such as Rauf getting injured. 2nd match however was due to some very tight bowling from NZ and the score was just too low to defend. We were atleast 40 runs off target.
 
Kiwis have burst the bubble of Pakistan team's selection in just 2 games. I think they might edge out once again in this game as well... things are looking pretty bad atm.
 
They need to get in kamran Ghulam back .

Kamran Ghulam
Fakhar Zaman
babar Azam
Rizwan
Saud
Tayab
Aga Salman
Faheem
Naseem
Shaheen
Abrar

Naseem , shaheen, Faheem pacers

Abrar , Aga , Kamran will do spin.
 
Justcrazy said:
They need to get in kamran Ghulam back .

Kamran Ghulam
Fakhar Zaman
babar Azam
Rizwan
Saud
Tayab
Aga Salman
Faheem
Naseem
Shaheen
Abrar

Naseem , shaheen, Faheem pacers

Abrar , Aga , Kamran will do spin.
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I dont think both saud and Kamran can play... one of them will be benched as far as I saw PCB management taking decisions...
 
mominsaigol said:
Tbf, we should have won the first encounter against them. We lost the tri series final because we were outplayed in all departments but match 1 was a brain fade.

Bowling was good and tight but suddenly by the death overs, Shaheen and Naseem just went full toss mode and Philips kept reverse scooping behind the keepers head. The absence of Rauf was another setback since agha had to bowl 4 overs at the death and Philips capitalised.

Then while batting Fakhar and Rizwan had brain fades. None of those deliveries were good enough to warrant a lbw. Fakhar should have gotten a 120 to 150 score and he was set for one.

1st match was 100% a brain fade + some unlucky moments such as Rauf getting injured. 2nd match however was due to some very tight bowling from NZ and the score was just too low to defend. We were atleast 40 runs off target.
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I believe Haris Rauf back would bring a lot more cohesion and venom in the bowling attack. He has been key for Pakistan in picking up wickets in the middle overs.
 
RahulBose said:
Do you think champions trophy is somehow not just a one day game in a multipi team tournament?

It is the same rationale as one of the other thread which was celebrating Indian loss on Sundays as if Sundays have any tangible impact on the game.

Just because the name of the tournament is Champions trophy does not mean India Pak one day history is moot.
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This is a thread about the champions trophy, where Pakistan has got the better of India on more occasions then one - hard facts.

I don't give a toss about their match up outside the champions trophy.
 
ahmed16 said:
Well...no, strictly speaking from a champions trophy point of view - Pakistan tends to get the better of India (and NZ too).
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No.

NZ have a 3-0 record against Pak in Champion's Trophy.

You are just doing stats manipulation.

NZ is supposed to lose to Pak cause Pak do well against them in "ICC trophies" (mostly world cups)

But Ind are also supposed to lose to Pak cause Pak have a better record in "Champions Trophy, not ICC trophies" lol

All of this are just patterns with older teams and have no bearing on the future.

India defeated NZ twice in the 23 WC.
 
ahmed16 said:
This is a thread about the champions trophy, where Pakistan has got the better of India on more occasions then one - hard facts.

I don't give a toss about their match up outside the champions trophy.
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Well then accordingly NZ have got better of Pak 3-0 in CT.

Also this is just cope.

That CT record is with older teams and players who have since long retired lol.
 
saimayubera said:
Well then accordingly NZ have got better of Pak 3-0 in CT.

Also this is just cope.

That CT record is with older teams and players who have since long retired lol.
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So?

Pak still got the better of Ind in champions trophy - hard facts.

The fact that these are older teams is a general fact - that could be said of all teams. Records and history exist to be analysed.

Not sure what your hoping to prove - if you want to discuss India being great in everything they do, go to Indpassion - wait, that doesn't exist.
 
ahmed16 said:
So?

Pak still got the better of Ind in champions trophy - hard facts.

The fact that these are older teams is a general fact - that could be said of all teams. Records and history exist to be analysed.

Not sure what your hoping to prove - if you want to discuss India being great in everything they do, go to Indpassion - wait, that doesn't exist.
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Point is for India you are using CT records but for NZ "ICC tournament records"

And it's just a 3-2 advantage. Ind still has more CTs than Pak.
 
BouncerGuy said:
I dont think both saud and Kamran can play... one of them will be benched as far as I saw PCB management taking decisions...
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You need to have longer batting , so that you can try and target 300 plus scores . I do not think playing extra bowler will restrict the opposition that much. If you drop Saud , who can he be replaced in present squad?
 
Justcrazy said:
You need to have longer batting , so that you can try and target 300 plus scores . I do not think playing extra bowler will restrict the opposition that much. If you drop Saud , who can he be replaced in present squad?
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If 6 batters can't do it then 7 or 8 won't do it either.

In Cricket quality beats quantity every time.
 
RidiculousMan said:
If 6 batters can't do it then 7 or 8 won't do it either.

In Cricket quality beats quantity every time.
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Pakistan top 6 are not like other teams , moreover those teams also have batting till 8 . India going with 8 batters , despite having batters like , Sharma , Gill , Kohli , Iyer etc.
 
It is too late to change the opening combo of Fakhar & Babar.

Saud at number 3 is also not working. Both allrounders Faheem & Khushdil are equally useless.

I have to admit I have never been so puzzled at the team combo. I would take a gamble and send Faheem at number 3.

My XI:

1. Fakhar
2. Babar
3. Faheem
4. Riz
5. Agha
6. Saud
7. Tayyab
8. Naseem
9. Shaheen
10. Rauf
11. Abrar
 
gazza619 said:
It is too late to change the opening combo of Fakhar & Babar.

Saud at number 3 is also not working. Both allrounders Faheem & Khushdil are equally useless.

I have to admit I have never been so puzzled at the team combo. I would take a gamble and send Faheem at number 3.

My XI:

1. Fakhar
2. Babar
3. Faheem
4. Riz
5. Agha
6. Saud
7. Tayyab
8. Naseem
9. Shaheen
10. Rauf
11. Abrar
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Keep Saud at 3. Only been 2 games he has failed.
 
RidiculousMan said:
Keep Saud at 3. Only been 2 games he has failed.
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I know what you are saying. It is not just the fact Saud has failed which concerns me. It is the way he has failed. He seems to be in a made rush at number 3. Don’t know why he is playing as if it is the 49th over of the game and playing high risk shots.
 
gazza619 said:
I know what you are saying. It is not just the fact Saud has failed which concerns me. It is the way he has failed. He seems to be in a made rush at number 3. Don’t know why he is playing as if it is the 49th over of the game and playing high risk shots.
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Which is something that can be resolved easily by letting him know his role properly.
 
Justcrazy said:
They need to get in kamran Ghulam back .

Kamran Ghulam
Fakhar Zaman
babar Azam
Rizwan
Saud
Tayab
Aga Salman
Faheem
Naseem
Shaheen
Abrar

Naseem , shaheen, Faheem pacers

Abrar , Aga , Kamran will do spin.
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Faheem , yeah , we need his two overs , at 125-126 KPH pace and tail ender like batting. Or , you want New Zealand to win. When was the last time you saw Kamran bowling at international level ?
 
1. Fakhar
2. Usman Khan
3. Babar
4. Rizwan
5. Shakeel
6. Rizwan
7. Salman
8. Naseem
9. Shaheen
10. Rauf
11. Abrar
 
Pakistan team's training session is underway in preparation for the ICC Champions Trophy.

The Pakistani team practiced at the Hanif Mohammad High-Performance Centre's Oval Ground.

The players participated in an optional training session today.

The team engaged in an intense three-hour practice session at the Oval Ground.

Under the supervision of the coaches, the players practiced batting and bowling.

At the start of the training session, the players took part in exercise drills.

The first match of the Champions Trophy between Pakistan and New Zealand will be played on February 19.

 
Stick with the team that played NZ last - one change, bench Faheem and bring in Haris Rauf- three pacers, Abrar and agha/khushdil share 10. Khushdil at 7, I would also bump up Naseem to 8- hes the best bat amongst the bowlers.

Babar looked comfortable as an opener in all three matches before his brain fade(s)- he should continue in that role, he's the perfect foil for Fakhar and he gets the added advantage of the powerplay. It really isn't a big deal to move him from 3 to 2- with due respect his fanboys need to stop crying. Given Pakistans woeful opening partnerships in the past 6 months, he's effectively opened for as long as I can care to remember.
I personally wouldn't move Saud to open - he doesn't look at ease in this format at all and the left hand/left hand combo to me up top doesn't make sense when you can go with left/right and annoy the opposition bowlers that little bit more. Sauds uneasiness in this format can be rectified- he just needs a clear role to be given to him at 3 by the management - e.g if Babar falls, accumulate with Fakhar, if Fakhar falls - be a bit more aggressive with Babar as a partner.
 
NZ have been consistently better than us for the last 15 years in ODI. But somehow we always look down on them. That may be a legacy of the 92, 96 and 99 WCs. No doubt they are beatable but we don't seem to have a plan against Santners slow and wily change of pace, and the decent spin of Bracewell. We can't rotate the strike and because of their accuracy and our lack of hitting power, we can't hit frequent boundaries
 
In all honesty the way Saud has batted in the two games and what Kushdil does with the ball is not much different, to what Kamran Ghulam or even Salman Agha could do by bowling 10 overs.

Strengthen our weak a batting may be give Usman a go at 3. He will add the missing spark on these pitches and may be a better pick. No other reason for being in the squad, he can play spin the way we need and get to 350+ score. Have
Rizwan, Salman, Kamran and Tayyab till number 7!

You have to trust our pacers and Abrar to finish the game in 40 overs much like with Irfan. We didn’t play any all rounder and until then Saim was mainly untested.

Sanity has to prevail and If they think beating NZ or even India with them two in the team is beyond a joke.

So yeh team going forward will be

Fakhar
Babar
Usman
Rizwan
Kamran
Salman
Tayyab
Naseem
Shaheen
Abrar
Haris
 
With Faheem and Khushdil we essentially are playing with 9 men. Winning 1 match at the CT will be surprising for me.
 
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