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ICC Dispute Panel decision: PCB to pay 60% of BCCI's claimed costs & Tribunal expenses in MoU case

DISPUTE PANEL DECIDES ON COSTS AWARD

On behalf of the Dispute Panel formed under the Terms of Reference of the ICC Disputes Resolutions Committee (DRC), the International Cricket Council (ICC) has announced its Costs Award in the legal proceedings between the PCB and the BCCI.

The Dispute Panel has determined that the PCB should pay 60 per cent of: “(a) the [BCCI’s] Claimed Costs; and (b) the administrative costs and expenses of the Panel which fall within the scope of paragraph 11.4 of the T/R (including, without limitation, the fees of the Tribunal members, and the costs and expenses they incurred in relation to this matter), the figure whereof is to be supplied to the PCB by the ICC.”
 
PCB’s response to ICC verdict on BCCI claims of legal costs

Lahore December 19: The PCB notes the ICC Dispute Panel’s decision on BCCI’s claims for their legal expense incurred on the PCB-BCCI dispute. The award of significantly lesser costs than claimed by BCCI reflects that PCB's case had merits.

The PCB, however, reiterates its disappointment in the original decision/award given against it.
 
PCB got completely owned here by both BCCI and ICC. For sake of Pak cricket, I hope PCB pays this amount and close this chapter. No need to drag it any further.

What is 60% of total amount equating to?
 
So PCB will not just pay to BCCI but also have to bear the admin cost of setting up the hearing panel.

Amusing to see PCB claim this as “This decision shows we had a strong case”.
 
So PCB will not just pay to BCCI but also have to bear the admin cost of setting up the hearing panel.

Amusing to see PCB claim this as “This decision shows we had a strong case”.

they are just trying to save their face after their tall claims
 
The Panel costs and expenses would also be paid by PCB, that would also be a high figure.
 
PCB's response is rather amusing and quite baffling.
 
PCB's response is rather amusing and quite baffling.

That has to be one of the dumbest responses I have ever read. They made a decision against you and then made you pay majority of what the other party asked for as expense reimbursement and somehow you construe that this is a moral victory.
 
This is standard stuff...

You lose, you pay all the costs.

ICC has done them a favour by discounting 40%.
 
The award of significantly lesser costs than claimed by BCCI reflects that PCB's case had merits.

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I don't know how they concluded that PCB case had merits based on reduced pay out. That's not how it works
 
Sad stuff. Like the parable where 2 cats were fighting and the monkey ran away with the ROTI.

Pakistan and India arguing uselessly and ICC "officials" get to charge fat fees and expenses from them. While ECB and co. get to control the ICC and laugh all the way to the bank.

This is what happens when one party decides to cut off its own nose to spite its face. It is because India and Pakistan cricket boards came together, that the ODI world cup did not remain a monopoly of the England board. Asian cricket boards used to recognize the facts and history and worked well together. All blown up because of the pride, short-sightedness and utter lack of foresight of a few PCB officials.
 
I don't know how they concluded that PCB case had merits based on reduced pay out. That's not how it works

Facts don't matter brother, as long as some of home audience buys the nonsense - its enough to feed the rubbish self-righteousness and victim complex. Its always the fault of the other - whether its the evil ICC or the evil BCCI. But to be fair, all cricket boards are filled with such corrupt and moronic suits.
 
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Pakistan and India arguing uselessly and ICC "officials" get to charge fat fees and expenses from them. While ECB and co. get to control the ICC and laugh all the way to the bank.

Are you a time traveler from 1985?

It's the BCCICC. Remember the name.
 
PCB's attempt to claim USD 63 million from the BCCI has backfired just like IPL-blackmail attempt of 2009.
PCB now has to face up to the added insult of paying the India board nearly USD 2 million in legal costs.
As is the norm in arbitration cases such as this, the winning party claims legal costs from the losing side.
The International Cricket Council's Dispute Resolution Panel, on Tuesday (December 19), ordered the Pakistan Cricket Board to pay 60% of the legal costs incurred by the Board of Control for Cricket in India .
The Dispute Panel noted that the PCB should pay 60 per cent of: "(a) the [BCCI's] Claimed Costs; and (b) the administrative costs and expenses of the Panel which fall within the scope of paragraph 11.4 of the T/R (including, without limitation, the fees of the Tribunal members, and the costs and expenses they incurred in relation to this matter), the figure whereof is to be supplied to the PCB by the ICC".

"For the BCCI, the victor in the arbitration, to be deprived of all its costs would appear to the Panel to be inappropriate, where the BCCI too had disputed the claim in good faith," the panel said.Last month, a committee headed by Hon. Michael Beloff QC, an English barrister and a member of Blackstone Chambers, that also included Jan Paulsson and Annabelle Bennett, had rejected PCB's compensation claim.
 
That is the risk of taking legal action. It could end up costing you like no ones business. I don't think we fought our case correctly then again the PCB always has it's head in the sand.
 
Shameful but pcb and some pp posters should learn from this and in future should remember this before uttering and doing some nonsense.
 
So Pakistan pays

1) Admin costs to ICC for appointing the panel including fees of the judges
2) Fees to its own very expensive lawyers
3) 60 percent of total legal costs spent by BCCI

Well, that's 75% of total PSL profit wiped out.
 
I think keeping in mind the future, BCCI should let this go. Taking this money would only deepen the bad feelings which are already there. This is not a big amount for BCCI, and letting this money go could result in a reconciliation between the two boards which would be good for the future.
 
I think keeping in mind the future, BCCI should let this go. Taking this money would only deepen the bad feelings which are already there. This is not a big amount for BCCI, and letting this money go could result in a reconciliation between the two boards which would be good for the future.

I personally understand what you say. But the question is does the BCCI even care about good relations with the PCB? I don't think so. They wouldn't have suspended bilateral ties with them if they wanted to develop a good relationship with them.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So after today's verdict the PCB needs to pay the following to BCCI and the ICC Disputes Panel: <br><br>$1.2m which is approximately 160,000,000 PKR or £950,000.00<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1075411332676153344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I think keeping in mind the future, BCCI should let this go. Taking this money would only deepen the bad feelings which are already there. This is not a big amount for BCCI, and letting this money go could result in a reconciliation between the two boards which would be good for the future.

I agree with Napa as well.

BCCI has won the case and taught PCB a lesson in diplomacy and professionalism. The amount as such is peanuts for both he boards. BCCI does not need this money. They can make a great statesman by waiving off this amount to ensure no grudges are carried forward. Remember everyone has his day.
 
It is convenient to dump all of this on Sethi's had, but the fact is that the PCB would have gone forward with this case regardless of who the chairman was. it was simply the former's misfortune to oversee it.

I am quite happy that the PCB did what it did because they and our supporters needed a reality check. Who better than BCCI to remind us of our place?

I can only laugh at the posters here who claimed that BCCI will not get a penny from PCB. The delusion is (or was) hysterical.

On a further note, people are kidding themselves if they think that BCCI is actively trying to alienate Pakistan cricket. If BCCI actually decides to do so, they can finish Pakistan cricket off in only a few years and we will end up rubbing our nose in the dirt for a series with Nepal and UAE.

Face the facts - PCB is and will remain at BCCI's mercy.
 
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If PCB ends up paying this will be the biggest joke on PCB and even their supporters will be offended.
 
PCB should negotiate a 20 plus year installment plan
 
The PCB recieves close to 6-8$ which will go up with the sale of the sixth franchise team from the psl franchises in franchise fees every year. So the amount isn't going to bankrupt anyone
 
I agree with Napa as well.

BCCI has won the case and taught PCB a lesson in diplomacy and professionalism. The amount as such is peanuts for both he boards. BCCI does not need this money. They can make a great statesman by waiving off this amount to ensure no grudges are carried forward. Remember everyone has his day.

Showing statesmanship does not work when dealing with PCB. They need to be dealt in the manner that works with them.
 
According to a media report PCB has already spent $1 Million on the case and they have to pay $2 Million to the BCCI and PCB also has to pay for all the costs of the tribunal like expenses, Judges etc. So, looks like $3-$4 Million Loss for the PCB. [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]
 
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It is convenient to dump all of this on Sethi's had, but the fact is that the PCB would have gone forward with this case regardless of who the chairman was. it was simply the former's misfortune to oversee it.

I am quite happy that the PCB did what it did because they and our supporters needed a reality check. Who better than BCCI to remind us of our place?

I can only laugh at the posters here who claimed that BCCI will not get a penny from PCB. The delusion is (or was) hysterical.

On a further note, people are kidding themselves if they think that BCCI is actively trying to alienate Pakistan cricket. If BCCI actually decides to do so, they can finish Pakistan cricket off in only a few years and we will end up rubbing our nose in the dirt for a series with Nepal and UAE.

Face the facts - PCB is and will remain at BCCI's mercy.

So Sethi takes the credit for launching PSL and no blame for this mess.
as per your logic it should be Sethi's good fortune that he was the chairman or an influencial person when PSL started..
dude the compensation is 75% of total PSL revenues
 
So Sethi takes the credit for launching PSL and no blame for this mess.
as per your logic it should be Sethi's good fortune that he was the chairman or an influencial person when PSL started..
dude the compensation is 75% of total PSL revenues

Total losses for PCB here is $3-4 Million if you combine PCB legal costs plus BCCI payout plus tribunal costs like expenses, judges etc. So, the entire money made from PSL has been lost in this fiasco.
 
Feel sorry for the new kid on the block.. he’s got a whole load of mess to clean up, as for the verdict 😂 PCB 🤦🏽*♂️
 
So Sethi takes the credit for launching PSL and no blame for this mess.
as per your logic it should be Sethi's good fortune that he was the chairman or an influencial person when PSL started..
dude the compensation is 75% of total PSL revenues

PSL was just an idea before Sethi got involved, and he turned it into reality. As far as our obsession with BCCI is concerned, Shahryar Khan spent his whole tenure reminding BCCI about the MOU even before Sethi became actively involved in PCB. Sethi or not, PCB was always going to go to court.
 
PCB should ask bcci a series now to pay this off

This is a rea possibility, if not now, after the elections in India next year. A series in India. Looking at our FTP calendar, Dec 2019, Jan 2020 has no tests, only ODIs vs Aus and WI. Pakistan are also free between Dec 7 - Jan 19. A clear 5 week window for a short series - ODIs and T20s like in 2012-13.
 
This is a rea possibility, if not now, after the elections in India next year. A series in India. Looking at our FTP calendar, Dec 2019, Jan 2020 has no tests, only ODIs vs Aus and WI. Pakistan are also free between Dec 7 - Jan 19. A clear 5 week window for a short series - ODIs and T20s like in 2012-13.

When you think about it, the recent Asia Cup in the UAE was a glorified 3-ODI series vs Pakistan.

Thanks to Pakistan's ineptness with both bat and ball, it became a 2-game encounter.
 
PSL was just an idea before Sethi got involved, and he turned it into reality. As far as our obsession with BCCI is concerned, Shahryar Khan spent his whole tenure reminding BCCI about the MOU even before Sethi became actively involved in PCB. Sethi or not, PCB was always going to go to court.

lol.. threatening BCCI for not fulfilling MOU was just an idea which Sethi turned into a reality..
PSL would have happened regardless of Sethi being chairman or not.
Again I am just going by the logic that you are presenting without any solid argument to back them.
 
This is a decision of an ICC panel. ICC is going to pay PCB millions of dollars as a share of revenues from WCC 2019 etc. So if it wants, it is easy for ICC to subtract the due amount and give it to BCCI instead.

Not sure but please show me they have the power to do this? PCB can simply say we dispute your findings, appeal or go to COA sport. This could take years but maybe PCB will just pay up.
 
Not sure but please show me they have the power to do this? PCB can simply say we dispute your findings, appeal or go to COA sport. This could take years but maybe PCB will just pay up.

Lol. Both parties agreed to accept the binding verdict of the dispute committee. If you are a member of the ICC, you can't just cherrypick the verdicts you "agree" with. Such a silly notion.

Time to face facts and pay the stupid price for doing stupid stunts. And to be honest, this bill is not even the end of the price that PCB will pay. Pissing off BCCI by hounding them is going to cost them a lot more in the long run.

But, you know, "pride" and all that nonsense.
 
Not sure but please show me they have the power to do this? PCB can simply say we dispute your findings, appeal or go to COA sport. This could take years but maybe PCB will just pay up.

To what end? PCB should get this over with ASAP. They lost a case which everybody thought they would lose anyway. 1.2 mil is peanuts for BCCI but it's their pride that took a hit because of the lawsuit. Don't antogonize BCCI further, pay up the fine and send the PCB chief to India to clear the whole thing up and be part of the powerful, influential Asia Bloc again. That's what a smart, sensible board would do.
 
Absolute mess by the previous PCB regime and a parting gift from them.

There was no way they were going to win this case and instead now they have landed the current PCB regime with a huge payment to make.
 
Absolute mess by the previous PCB regime and a parting gift from them.

There was no way they were going to win this case and instead now they have landed the current PCB regime with a huge payment to make.

Look at the bright side, atleast now the PCB knows for sure any document, agreement it signs with the BCCI counts for nothing.
 
Look at the bright side, atleast now the PCB knows for sure any document, agreement it signs with the BCCI counts for nothing.

Bright side?

There is absolutely no bright side to this utter mess and debacle.
 
Look at the bright side, atleast now the PCB knows for sure any document, agreement it signs with the BCCI counts for nothing.

Did those light bulbs not know this already?
 
Lol. Both parties agreed to accept the binding verdict of the dispute committee. If you are a member of the ICC, you can't just cherrypick the verdicts you "agree" with. Such a silly notion.

Time to face facts and pay the stupid price for doing stupid stunts. And to be honest, this bill is not even the end of the price that PCB will pay. Pissing off BCCI by hounding them is going to cost them a lot more in the long run.

But, you know, "pride" and all that nonsense.

To what end? PCB should get this over with ASAP. They lost a case which everybody thought they would lose anyway. 1.2 mil is peanuts for BCCI but it's their pride that took a hit because of the lawsuit. Don't antogonize BCCI further, pay up the fine and send the PCB chief to India to clear the whole thing up and be part of the powerful, influential Asia Bloc again. That's what a smart, sensible board would do.

Every party agrees when in a dispute but can later disagree with the outcome esp when its regarding amounts to be paid.

But please tell me how not paying up to the BCCI immediatly or delaying will cause further issues with the BCCI? PCB have no relations with the board as it is, so might as well drag this out.
 
Bright side?

There is absolutely no bright side to this utter mess and debacle.

Plenty actually. Now the PCB knows for sure, it has to find other ways to boost its earnings than banking on the BCCI. Have to find other alternatives and get out of the mindset that just one series with India and once in a life time lottery
 
Let's see if Ehsan Mani can negotiate the BCCI and the ICC to waive the penalty off.
 
Look at the bright side, atleast now the PCB knows for sure any document, agreement it signs with the BCCI counts for nothing.

It would mean something if it is a valid agreement. :yk
 
Every party agrees when in a dispute but can later disagree with the outcome esp when its regarding amounts to be paid.

But please tell me how not paying up to the BCCI immediatly or delaying will cause further issues with the BCCI? PCB have no relations with the board as it is, so might as well drag this out.

Are you unaware of the fact that a "home" series with India, means revenue of $40 to 50 million for the PCB? Maybe more. Sure its not happening any time right now, but wouldn't it be in the interests of Pakistan cricket to not delay it any longer than necessary? Its not like the PCB is so well-off that it doesn't need that money? Domestic cricket - facilities, grounds, equipment everything appears to be in dire straits.

The more you play stupid games to "salvage pride" or whatever foolish notions, the more you risk further antagonizing the BCCI and delaying that income for the PCB.
 
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Are you unaware of the fact that a "home" series with India, means revenue of $40 to 50 million for the PCB? Maybe more. Sure its not happening any time right now, but wouldn't it be in the interests of Pakistan cricket to not delay it any longer than necessary? Its not like the PCB is so well-off that it doesn't need that money? Domestic cricket - facilities, grounds, equipment everything appears to be in dire straits.

The more you play stupid games to "salvage pride" or whatever foolish notions, the more you risk further antagonizing the BCCI and delaying that income for the PCB.

I think it is lost on you that the BCCI had ignored the peaceful overtures, gestures and attempts to talk with the PCB for the last 10 years. Who can remember the fiasco when Syk and Sethi arrived in New Delhi only for their trip to be disrupted by Shiv Sena activists and the BCCI behaved as if nothing had occurred or it was any moral responsibility on their part to show courtesy, respect and hospitality to their guests.

Pakistan has not really lost much except for $4 million which they can recover via the PSL and other avenues. Atleast the realization has dawned on them that they can not rely on the BCCI and any agreement signed with them is as good as toilet paper. Atleast now they can look for other options to be commercially viable. Just read right now according to a tv reporter that the PCB has received an offer offer of $33 million from a UK based broadcasting group for rights to broadcast the PSL for the next 3 years, sure it falls just short of the $42-43 million benchmark the PCB had set but is still comfortably higher than what the local ehsan faramosh Pakistani broadcasters had offered to the PCB and tried to low ball the PCB as much as they could. The PCB achieved this through hard work, all on its own without any handouts from the rest of the world or help from the BCCI. If the PCB puts its mind to it, it can be successful.
 
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Are you unaware of the fact that a "home" series with India, means revenue of $40 to 50 million for the PCB? Maybe more. Sure its not happening any time right now, but wouldn't it be in the interests of Pakistan cricket to not delay it any longer than necessary? Its not like the PCB is so well-off that it doesn't need that money? Domestic cricket - facilities, grounds, equipment everything appears to be in dire straits.

The more you play stupid games to "salvage pride" or whatever foolish notions, the more you risk further antagonizing the BCCI and delaying that income for the PCB.

It's more important to India and government not to play Pakistan because their soldiers are being killed near the LOC. This isn't changing any time soon ,perhaps not in our lifetime. PCB has no reason to do anything at all here. ICC doesn't have the power imo to just take their funds, unless you or anyone can show differently.
 
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It's more important to India and government not to play Pakistan because their soldiers are being killed near the LOC. This isn't changing any time soon ,perhaps not in our lifetime. PCB has no reason to do anything at all here. ICC doesn't have the power imo to just take their funds, unless you or anyone can show differently.

PCB has good chance of agreeing to pay up..coz they don't want to deal.with the mess they made anymore.
 
PCB has good chance of agreeing to pay up..coz they don't want to deal.with the mess they made anymore.

Up to them if they wish but if I was in charge i'd take it further or delay it, nothing to lose against a board who wont play. India cost PCB money by not playing, using the government 'we love our soldiers' nonsense so PCB can come up with the odd fairy story too. :)
 
Plenty actually. Now the PCB knows for sure, it has to find other ways to boost its earnings than banking on the BCCI. Have to find other alternatives and get out of the mindset that just one series with India and once in a life time lottery

Plenty?

There is nothing positive at all about this. The PCB has gained nothing and have instead been landed with a huge payment which they certainly did not want.
 
Every party agrees when in a dispute but can later disagree with the outcome esp when its regarding amounts to be paid.

But please tell me how not paying up to the BCCI immediatly or delaying will cause further issues with the BCCI? PCB have no relations with the board as it is, so might as well drag this out.

What's there to cause further issues with BCCI? It's probably at the lowest anyway. But, is that what Pak wants? They should be sensible and start buildong relations. Antogonize BCCI will alienate BD and SL boards as well as BCCI has sway on Asian boards.
 
I think it is lost on you that the BCCI had ignored the peaceful overtures, gestures and attempts to talk with the PCB for the last 10 years. Who can remember the fiasco when Syk and Sethi arrived in New Delhi only for their trip to be disrupted by Shiv Sena activists and the BCCI behaved as if nothing had occurred or it was any moral responsibility on their part to show courtesy, respect and hospitality to their guests.

Pakistan has not really lost much except for $4 million which they can recover via the PSL and other avenues. Atleast the realization has dawned on them that they can not rely on the BCCI and any agreement signed with them is as good as toilet paper. Atleast now they can look for other options to be commercially viable. Just read right now according to a tv reporter that the PCB has received an offer offer of $33 million from a UK based broadcasting group for rights to broadcast the PSL for the next 3 years, sure it falls just short of the $42-43 million benchmark the PCB had set but is still comfortably higher than what the local ehsan faramosh Pakistani broadcasters had offered to the PCB and tried to low ball the PCB as much as they could. The PCB achieved this through hard work, all on its own without any handouts from the rest of the world or help from the BCCI. If the PCB puts its mind to it, it can be successful.

4 mil? No. To be precise the TV rights were for 150 mil with 60 mil tied up to India series. That is the reason PCB wanted 60 to 70 mil in damages.
 
Mani should ask Najam Sethi to do this.

Feel sorry for Mani. He has been handed over the PCB affairs at the worst possible time. Only positive thing for Mani (i hope) is that he will not be getting orders from ministers on what to do and what not do.
 
4 mil? No. To be precise the TV rights were for 150 mil with 60 mil tied up to India series. That is the reason PCB wanted 60 to 70 mil in damages.

90mil of the 160mil was dependent on India series.
 
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