PCB vs BCCI MoU case: BCCI seeks 15 cr ($2m) legal fee from PCB [Post #375]

[Rana]

How about we stick to the facts and not pull things out of thin air.

No thin air here. BCCI are h*LL bent on not allowing PCB to prosper no matter what. They would not have paid a single penny if they had lost the case.

 

[Itachi]

No thin air here. BCCI are h*LL bent on not allowing PCB to prosper no matter what. They would not have paid a single penny if they had lost the case.

One doesn't need to try to damage PCB. PCB is a self destructive machine. You are overrating ability of PCB here.

 

[Hitman]

Clearly I dont know because Im supporting Pakistan in this matter. Take off your BCCI bias sunglasses.

You wont get a penny from us. Mark my words.

Yea, just like we were supposed to pay the PCB $70 million, isn't it?

Don't worry, we're here to see what happens.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

But on a very serious note. If the pcb does decide to pay the amount in full, they will need to negotiate with the ICC, BCCI for a few things in return in order to help Pakistan Cricket

PCB could just declare bankruptcy and withdraw Pakistan from international cricket. The sport is being choked by it's reliance on Indian market in any case, leave them to it.

 

[Varun]

Clearly I dont know because Im supporting Pakistan in this matter. Take off your BCCI bias sunglasses.

You wont get a penny from us. Mark my words.

No offense, but why are your words mark worthy? Everybody knows that the BCCI will get the money it's looking for - everybody not living under a rock that is.

Check back to page #643 of this thread for confirmation later.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

On behalf of the Dispute Panel formed under the Terms of Reference of the ICC Disputes Resolutions Committee (DRC), the International Cricket Council (ICC) has announced the outcome of the recent DRC proceedings between the BCCI and the PCB.

Following a three-day hearing and having considered detailed oral and written submissions, the Dispute Panel has dismissed the PCB’s claim against the BCCI. The judgement, which can be found here in full, is binding and non-appealable.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/915817

PCB should pass the bill to Najam Sethi.

 

[Savak]

PCB should pass the bill to Najam Sethi.

Lol. Sethi is actually a very rich man. He has appartments in the US, UK and Middle East. I am sure if the bill is passed on to him, he won't be bankrupt. As it is he did not take a salary for his work in the PSL and was mostly working without a salary in the PCB relying on his media income.

 

[octavian]

In a hindsight if I look at both the events

1. Supporting BCCI by PCB for Big 3, what options Mr. Sethi had ? Either he support India and had a chance of getting some series (even though he very well knew that it won't materialize). But by not supporting he was definitely not getting any. So he took a chance and to certain extent some fans agreed with his idea too.

2. After series didn't happen and suing BCCI : The options he had was not to take legal action and be blamed by fans for being timid/begging/not standing up etc etc. (I can't believe that he didn't know that he had almost no chance of winning)

or, take BCCI to court (at the expense of PCB money) and atleast have the image of someone who fought/stood up and a fighter. Personally, he is not loosing anything.

It seems to me he choose his personal image over PCB's interest.

I am a strong believer of "Never burn the bridge" attitude and even if I leave a job after a bad experience in an organisation, I try to keep the bridge intact.

Taking BCCI to court was a good decision morally/emotionally but a very very bad decision as an organisational POV for PCB.

All valid points there but I disagree with the bold part.

There is not an iota to be salvaged from the relations with the BCCI. BCCI has been hell bent on hurting and isolating PCB in every way possible for almost a decade now.

In fact, I think the retaliation has come too late. It's about time PCB stands up and let the BCCI know that we are not falling for your age old 'baghal main churi muh main raam raam' tricks anymore. This has to be an all out war from this point onwards until BCCI ceases its sleazy antics.

 

[par]

What does the demands of some Pakistani posters have to do with the legal actions of what the ICC are bound to do?

ICC did not do anything because they were well within their legal boundaries to not get involved as the matter was delicate considering its strong ties to Indian Government approval.

All I am saying is that ICC will not cut the share of BCCI and give it to PCB and it will cut the share of PCB and give it to BCCI either. Both scenarios are wishful thinking of some posters here. As far as I know ICC, PCB or BCCI haven't said anything remotely like that.

 

[Tusker]

All valid points there but I disagree with the bold part.

There is not an iota to be salvaged from the relations with the BCCI. BCCI has been hell bent on hurting and isolating PCB in every way possible for almost a decade now.

In fact, I think the retaliation has come too late. It's about time PCB stands up and let the BCCI know that we are not falling for your age old 'baghal main churi muh main raam raam' tricks anymore. This has to be an all out war from this point onwards until BCCI ceases its sleazy antics.

and what would you call PCB's tactics when they refused to tour India in the 90s , tried to stop India hosting 2011 WC after they couldnt to name just a few ?

 

[Varun]

It's about time PCB stands up and let the BCCI know that we are not falling for your age old 'baghal main churi muh main raam raam' tricks anymore. This has to be an all out war from this point onwards until BCCI ceases its sleazy antics.

At the expense of how many millions?

 

[Kaka_Hathrasi]

It seems som ppers are running PCB not Ehsan Mani, the same way as they were representing and fighting for PCB in ICC dispute panel not the ones hired by PCB. Ehsan Mani has already toned down and he wont want PCB to face humilation anymore by refusing to pay BCCI as that will end any hope of a INDO PAK bilateral series forever becoz the bitterness will be on the cricket board levels. So even if the Indian Govt. will agree to play with Pak in future, then BCCI wont give a damn about it..Although BCCI shouldn't bother as the payment is coming for them from PCB. Enjoying the immature and childish logics over here which do not stand in courts at all.

 

[Varun]

It seems som ppers are running PCB not Ehsan Mani, the same way as they were representing and fighting for PCB in ICC dispute panel not the ones hired by PCB.

Seems that way. [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] and [MENTION=100]octavian[/MENTION] - we have our eyes on you.

 

[Tusker]

It seems som ppers are running PCB not Ehsan Mani, the same way as they were representing and fighting for PCB in ICC dispute panel not the ones hired by PCB. Ehsan Mani has already toned down and he wont want PCB to face humilation anymore by refusing to pay BCCI as that will end any hope of a INDO PAK bilateral series forever becoz the bitterness will be on the cricket board levels. So even if the Indian Govt. will agree to play with Pak in future, then BCCI wont give a damn about it..Although BCCI shouldn't bother as the payment is coming for them from PCB. Enjoying the immature and childish logics over here which do not stand in courts at all.

Good points. Very good post. But some PCB officials have acted like avg volatile fans in the street.

 

[octavian]

At the expense of how many millions?

Do you think that only PCB loses money when BCCI doesn't play us?

BCCI has made clear that they dont care about losing millions as long as they hurt PCB. So we are willing to lose millions too.

 

[octavian]

It seems som ppers are running PCB not Ehsan Mani, the same way as they were representing and fighting for PCB in ICC dispute panel not the ones hired by PCB. Ehsan Mani has already toned down and he wont want PCB to face humilation anymore by refusing to pay BCCI as that will end any hope of a INDO PAK bilateral series forever becoz the bitterness will be on the cricket board levels. So even if the Indian Govt. will agree to play with Pak in future, then BCCI wont give a damn about it..Although BCCI shouldn't bother as the payment is coming for them from PCB. Enjoying the immature and childish logics over here which do not stand in courts at all.

Absolutely untrue about Ehsan Mani and other points have no merit at all either.

Firstly, Ehsan Mani's stance is toughening, not toning down. In his first interview after becoming the chairman of the PCB, Ehsan Mani called BCCI "hypocites". Also said that he is not going to ask India to play us anymore and talk about equal terms.

"I don't intend to ask India to play us at all," he said. "If they want to play they tell us, if they don't want to play that's fine. But we are not going to go after them, we are not going to beg them. It's good for the game if India-Pakistan play each other but it will be on equal terms."

Source http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_...tan-matches-hypocrisy-pcb-chairman-ehsan-mani

He was asked in another interview how long PCB can survive without playing India. His answer , "Forever". We don't give a damn if we never play India ever again either.

So expect tougher stance from PCB in the future. Like I said PCB has woken up a bit late to the BCCI's open war but they have woken up.

Second, bitterness on board levels? That's laughable. You can not wage a war against PCB and expect not to be bitter. Things are as bitter as they can possibly be already.

Lastly, I have no idea which courts you are talking about. PCB acted foolishly in accepting MoU as an agreement and paid for it. Next time I hoping this PCB will be prepare for the usual backstabbing from BCCI.

 

[Kaka_Hathrasi]

Absolutely untrue about Ehsan Mani and other points have no merit at all either.

Firstly, Ehsan Mani's stance is toughening, not toning down. In his first interview after becoming the chairman of the PCB, Ehsan Mani called BCCI "hypocites". Also said that he is not going to ask India to play us anymore and talk about equal terms.

"I don't intend to ask India to play us at all," he said. "If they want to play they tell us, if they don't want to play that's fine. But we are not going to go after them, we are not going to beg them. It's good for the game if India-Pakistan play each other but it will be on equal terms."

Source http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_...tan-matches-hypocrisy-pcb-chairman-ehsan-mani

He was asked in another interview how long PCB can survive without playing India. His answer , "Forever". We don't give a damn if we never play India ever again either.

So expect tougher stance from PCB in the future. Like I said PCB has woken up a bit late to the BCCI's open war but they have woken up.

Second, bitterness on board levels? That's laughable. You can not wage a war against PCB and expect not to be bitter. Things are as bitter as they can possibly be already.

Lastly, I have no idea which courts you are talking about. PCB acted foolishly in accepting MoU as an agreement and paid for it. Next time I hoping this PCB will be prepare for the usual backstabbing from BCCI.

There is a saying "Grapes are sour". Its the same over here. Ehsan Mani already knows that Sethi has done the damage and no way BCCI will engage its team with PAKISTAN team for a bilateral series whether he tries for it or criticise them for not agreeing to it...It wont change BCCI's stance. So he is criticising BCCI. And I am talking about all the real courts not the one on PakPassion with so called lawyers and judges. Ehshan Mani already said that there was no need to drag members countries to ICC dispute forum and after losing the case also he said that they need to move on. Do u need more proof that he hasnt toned down. He was more crictical of BCCI when he wasnt PCB chairman...And as of ur backstabbing opportunity for BCCI, forget about it as there will not be even any sort of engagement between the two cricket boards for any bilteral series in distant future. So PCB can use this lesson to deal with other boards as BCCI wont be there after what has happend. Ask anyone whether PCB dragging BCCI to ICC dispute forum has brough the bitterness on board levels or not. May be PCB is happy with the verdict that they lost the case as if they wanted to lose and did all to lose it ,so may be from their side there is no bitterness but BCCI isnt happy even after the decision went in their favour. I dont get it that how difficult is it to understand a simple thing.

 

[Varun]

Do you think that only PCB loses money when BCCI doesn't play us?

BCCI has made clear that they dont care about losing millions as long as they hurt PCB. So we are willing to lose millions too.

So far the BCCI are $2M in the green. Give us a ping if they're ever in the red.

 

[octavian]

So far the BCCI are $2M in the green. Give us a ping if they're ever in the red.

Oh man I don't know why I am bothering with with this but here is it is.

India is currently touring Australia. Do you think BCCI makes any money from that tour our is Australia making ALL money?

 

[Varun]

Oh man I don't know why I am bothering with with this but here is it is.

India is currently touring Australia. Do you think BCCI makes any money from that tour our is Australia making ALL money?

The BCCI has already made the money well in advance by selling multi-million rights to Sony for our overseas tours.

*turns up volume on Sony live stream*

 

[zoeyfactor]

BCCI is working the ways of legal system legitimately. There's a law introduced here in US now where if a party claims a defamation or allegation suit in court and if the case is thrown out by the court then the allegation party has to cover for counter party legal costs as well. Latest example Trump and Stormy Daniels. Nothing wrong from BCCI.

 

[Savak]

I think the pcb will be more than ok even if it is forced into repaying the BCCI, the broadcast rights revenue being offered to the pcb for the psl for the next few years is apparently USD 40 million, the title sponsorship is USD 15 million and the pcb collects close to USD 6-8 million from the franchises annually

 

[Tusker]

I think the pcb will be more than ok even if it is forced into repaying the BCCI, the broadcast rights revenue being offered to the pcb for the psl for the next few years is apparently USD 40 million, the title sponsorship is USD 15 million and the pcb collects close to USD 6-8 million from the franchises annually

thats just one side of the equation. You need to look at the expenses and the monies lost due to incompetence and corruption.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

I think the pcb will be more than ok even if it is forced into repaying the BCCI, the broadcast rights revenue being offered to the pcb for the psl for the next few years is apparently USD 40 million, the title sponsorship is USD 15 million and the pcb collects close to USD 6-8 million from the franchises annually

Don’t think they’ll pay them a single penny. It will be considered as capitulation on the part of the PCB and on part of PTI government by extension.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Don’t think they’ll pay them a single penny. It will be considered as capitulation on the part of the PCB and on part of PTI government by extension.

They lost a case. So why wont they pay?

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

They lost a case. So why wont they pay?

If I remember correctly, you were the one who said that even if India loses the case, the ICC wouldn’t be able to force India to pay even a single penny. Or maybe I misunderstood you. Or maybe the rules are different for PCB?

 

[cricketjoshila]

If I remember correctly, you were the one who said that even if India loses the case, the ICC wouldn’t be able to force India to pay even a single penny. Or maybe I misunderstood you. Or maybe the rules are different for PCB?

You may also remember that its the pcb that approached the DRC and submitted itself to its jurisdiction. So the PCB has to abide by its decision. Remember that the PCB agreed to the fact that the site of the DRC is considered to be UK.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

You may also remember that its the pcb that approached the DRC and submitted itself to its jurisdiction. So the PCB has to abide by its decision. Remember that the PCB agreed to the fact that the site of the DRC is considered to be UK.

And?

 

[cricketjoshila]

And?

Hence they are liable to pay. If they dont ICC and BCCI both can take action againist PCB under the rules of the DRC.

 

[princeuk]

Pcb has lost the oppurtunity to host the indian team in future also. Bcci can simply break up all contacts with pcb even if there is no govt clearance issue.

Wasnt this the case anyway, the BCCIusing the govt as an excuse......BCCI is too narcistic, if you stand upto them they dont like it but what goes around comes around one day, their arrogance cant last forever, Like every regime it will come tumbling down and history supports that.

 

[Pakhs]

Compare to the actual case the new outcome is really simple here, As with all other legal cases if you lose the case then the accused is allowed to claim compensation for legal expenses. So nothing new or arguable here.

 

[MenInG]

There has been some discussion on the PCB legal case against BCCI under Sethi's regime.

This thread has some history on it for reference.

 

[Usman Chadda]

There has been some discussion on the PCB legal case against BCCI under Sethi's regime.

This thread has some history on it for reference.

Great bump MIG

As is evident, Pakistan fans are a bigger joke than the journalists who are accused of having agendas. Atleast they get paid, these fans are just embarrassing themselves for free.

 

[Savak]

Najam Sethi has stated that the lawyers are to blame for misleading him and the PCB in this saga.

 

[Cricket-lion]

Najam Sethi has stated that the lawyers are to blame for misleading him and the PCB in this saga.

As i said before, there was a MOU, no legal obligation. Even a lay man knows that a MOU is not a legal obligation. This shows that Sethi is incompetent.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Najam Sethi has stated that the lawyers are to blame for misleading him and the PCB in this saga.

Who was the PCB lawyer? If i am not wrong they hired Clifford chance. Are they telling that Clifford chance mislead them?

 

[Ashmal]

Najam Sethi has stated that the lawyers are to blame for misleading him and the PCB in this saga.

As usual....the blame for anything wrong shifts to others while all the credit for the good stuff goes to him.

And if Sethi really got fooled by some lawyers and ended up blowing millions.....then it only shows his incompetence.

 

[Devadwal]

oh bhai ICC jo marzi kare, these guys are not transferring a penny to your account

Ha bhai kya hua .mil gyi thanak

 

[Major]

Funny how fans of certain party couldn't find anything on Sethi as being a bad administrator at PCB. So what they do? Complain about a legal case where PCB lost money.

Not knowing that every govt department has a legal set up and they allocate funds for it specifically.

Depts and offices will always have winners and losers in legal cases. This doesnt mean that you dont take your chances. The whole purpose of going towards the legal way is that you look for better understanding of what lie will be applied to a case. Because the judge interprets the law.

Anyways, dont expect logic from fans here. According to them, we should disband the legal set up of PCB

 

[MenInG]

Funny how fans of certain party couldn't find anything on Sethi as being a bad administrator at PCB. So what they do? Complain about a legal case where PCB lost money.

Not knowing that every govt department has a legal set up and they allocate funds for it specifically.

Depts and offices will always have winners and losers in legal cases. This doesnt mean that you dont take your chances. The whole purpose of going towards the legal way is that you look for better understanding of what lie will be applied to a case. Because the judge interprets the law.

Anyways, dont expect logic from fans here. According to them, we should disband the legal set up of PCB

No need to bring politics on it.

You should address the issue being discussed.

 

[Snowflake]

Funny how fans of certain party couldn't find anything on Sethi as being a bad administrator at PCB. So what they do? Complain about a legal case where PCB lost money.

Not knowing that every govt department has a legal set up and they allocate funds for it specifically.

Depts and offices will always have winners and losers in legal cases. This doesnt mean that you dont take your chances. The whole purpose of going towards the legal way is that you look for better understanding of what lie will be applied to a case. Because the judge interprets the law.

Anyways, dont expect logic from fans here. According to them, we should disband the legal set up of PCB

Regardless of how much you hate RR, this was a huge blunder and a massive loss by Sethi. Makes it even worse because when he pursued it, he knew he was on his way out and wanted the incoming admin to deal with the fallout. Typical mindset of the masters he serves.

 

[Snowflake]

Funny how fans of certain party couldn't find anything on Sethi as being a bad administrator at PCB. So what they do? Complain about a legal case where PCB lost money.

Not knowing that every govt department has a legal set up and they allocate funds for it specifically.

Depts and offices will always have winners and losers in legal cases. This doesnt mean that you dont take your chances. The whole purpose of going towards the legal way is that you look for better understanding of what lie will be applied to a case. Because the judge interprets the law.

Anyways, dont expect logic from fans here. According to them, we should disband the legal set up of PCB

That’s the most illogical explanation of why legal cases are pursued )

“To get better understanding of what lie will be applied to a case.” My goodness )

You aren’t a lawyer. So please don’t pretend to be one just to justify why sethi is better than RR

 

[tahir_dj]

People have gold fish memory
Everyone seems to have forgotten the weekly begging to BCCI for a series
This guy was a full embarrassment

 

[Major]

No need to bring politics on it.

You should address the issue being discussed.

Had this been some other PCB chairman belonging to another party people would have been singing praises because at the end of the day, Sethi started PSL, Sethi bought cricket back to Pakistan, and under Sethi did this team win the Champions trophy and even got Mickey Arthur in.

They can't even bring a corruption case against Sethi, so this is the argument going on and this is why a lot of people are unhappy.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Yet another dispute between PCB and BCCI. Last time it did not go well for the PCB.

PCB should be careful with a legal battle this time.