ICC Dispute Panel decision: PCB to pay 60% of BCCI's claimed costs & Tribunal expenses in MoU case

[gazza619]

I think they sanctioned £1mn for this. Clifford chance are very expensive.

Ok thanks. So much time and money has gone down the drain on this. Glad it is over though.

 

[Reddy]

Ok thanks. So much time and money has gone down the drain on this. Glad it is over though.

Total cost outlay for the PCB will be around $4 million, 1 million for own legal costs plus 2 million for BCCI and another million or so for tribunal costs like expenses, judges etc. A Media report has confirmed all the above costs except Tribunal costs which is still undisclosed and i have assumed.

 

[JaDed]

Up to them if they wish but if I was in charge i'd take it further or delay it, nothing to lose against a board who wont play. India cost PCB money by not playing, using the government 'we love our soldiers' nonsense so PCB can come up with the odd fairy story too.

True but you don't head em and they manage PCT ..

 

[Hawkeye]

A fool Najam Sethi was.

I used to praise him for some good work on PSL, but he did far more damage to Pak cricket than the good PSL work.

We now have a terrible relation with the richest, most powerful board, and have become a laughing stock by being in a position to PAY rather than get paid.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], Sethi gets a lot of blame.

 

[rhony]

90mil of the 160mil was dependent on India series.

Oh wow. Thought it was 60 based on a report I read on dawn

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Withdraw from any Indian matches in ICC tournaments. Do it last minute too.

 

[Banter]

I think it is lost on you that the BCCI had ignored the peaceful overtures, gestures and attempts to talk with the PCB for the last 10 years. Who can remember the fiasco when Syk and Sethi arrived in New Delhi only for their trip to be disrupted by Shiv Sena activists and the BCCI behaved as if nothing had occurred or it was any moral responsibility on their part to show courtesy, respect and hospitality to their guests.

Shiv Sena morons are just that, morons. To blame BCCI for their actions is not quite accurate.

And its not the peaceful overtures and gestures of the PCB that matter here. Its the Pakistan government that needs to change its actions in order to get the cricket ties resumed. Entire world knows who was responsible for the 26/11 attacks. And the perpetrators are still walking around free. So for you to get upset about PCB gestures not being reciprocated is understandable, but not in line with the reality of the situation.

Pakistan has not really lost much except for $4 million which they can recover via the PSL and other avenues. Atleast the realization has dawned on them that they can not rely on the BCCI and any agreement signed with them is as good as toilet paper. Atleast now they can look for other options to be commercially viable. Just read right now according to a tv reporter that the PCB has received an offer offer of $33 million from a UK based broadcasting group for rights to broadcast the PSL for the next 3 years, sure it falls just short of the $42-43 million benchmark the PCB had set but is still comfortably higher than what the local ehsan faramosh Pakistani broadcasters had offered to the PCB and tried to low ball the PCB as much as they could. The PCB achieved this through hard work, all on its own without any handouts from the rest of the world or help from the BCCI. If the PCB puts its mind to it, it can be successful.

Bhai, I don't want to insult you or the PCB or Pakistan cricket. So no need to get defensive. I hope for Pak cricket's sake that the PCB can do well and earn money. But to claim that they haven't lost much? You ought to know better than that. Each Indian tour would be worth upwards of 30 40 million for PCB. That's a lot of potential income lost.

 

[Banter]

Withdraw from any Indian matches in ICC tournaments. Do it last minute too.

LOL. PCB's biggest income comes from ICC revenue share. They dare not risk that. If they do more drama with India-Pak games in ICC, that would cause losses to the ICC, and guess what, PCB would mess that relationship up too.

Hint: When you are in a hole, its always a good idea to stop digging.

 

[Banter]

Making a judgement and enforing it are two very different things.

Are you Indian? Because Pakistani's see the conflict differently. The BCCI knew the government position before hand but still confirmed a bilateral series.

BCCI cant do anything to PCB because again there are no relations between the two. So pointless bring up Saffers here.

Again, if enforcing the judgement is unlikely, than what hope did the PCB even if it got the judgement in its favor? Reading some of your other posts, I think its becoming clear that you fancy yourself as a "patriot", and I think I'm wasting my time trying to have a rational discussion with you. Good day.

 

[Birdman]

Making a judgement and enforing it are two very different things.

Are you Indian? Because Pakistani's see the conflict differently. The BCCI knew the governments ent position before hand but still confirmed a bilateral series.

BCCI cant do anything to PCB because again there are no relations between the two. So pointless bring up Saffers here.

If PCB had no intention of accepting the resolution committee’s ruling, why go there in the first place? They could have got back at BCCI some other way. PCB can file for bankruptcy and legally get away from paying their obligation.
You know what we call someone who don’t pay their obligations? Deadbeat.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If PCB had no intention of accepting the resolution committee’s ruling, why go there in the first place? They could have got back at BCCI some other way. PCB can file for bankruptcy and legally get away from paying their obligation.
You know what we call someone who don’t pay their obligations? Deadbeat.

I'm not speaking on behalf of the PCB but my own pov. BCCI never had intentions of playing a series because they knew the status of their government policy towards Pakistan. ICC gets its main funding via Indian cricket so imo they are not an indpenedent committee because there is a conflict of interest. What I am saying is the PCB shouldn't just cough up but appeal, delay as much as possible. Why simply hand it over to a nation which doesn't want to see your cricket do well?

 

[Usman]

This is standard stuff...

You lose, you pay all the costs.

ICC has done them a favour by discounting 40%.

Why the 40% discount?

New year gift

40 % cashback.

The ICC did no favours to the PCB. If you had bothered to read the costs award, you'd see that the costs were discounted partly because of bad behaviour/wild exaggerations from what can only be described as an arrogant BCCI.

"20. The Panel considered that the BCCI failed to make good its contentions that:

(i) even taken at face value the April letter could not be read as a contractual
document award. (Paragraph 37 of the Award)

(ii) the BCCI could rely on material post the April letter as an aid to its interpretation.
(Paragraph 49 of the Award)

(iii) Any agreement, if any, between the parties contained an implied term that the
approval of the Indian government was required before the BCCI toured
Pakistan. (Paragraph 51 of the Award)

21. Moreover the Panel, while eventually finding that, even if not part of such agreement, in
point of fact such approval was required (Paragraph 46 of the Award), found the journey to
such conclusion made unnecessarily tortuous by the BCCI’s failure to identify with precision
whose approval was required and the basis of the need for such approval (Paragraph 47
ditto). The final position: “an oral tradition” of the need for governmental (sic) approval, was some distance from the pleaded response that the BCCI’s obligation to tour “was subject to
BCCIs receipt of necessary approvals, permissions or clearances (including from but not limited to the
Government of India) which BCCI did not receive”. Much of what the Panel considered to be
the unduly exaggerated and overcomplicated nature (in respect of which neither party was
wholly innocent) of the inter-solicitor correspondence, in particular as related to disclosure
issues, stemmed from this initial equivocation on the BCCI’s part.

22. The Panel is also impressed by the following further considerations. First, a reasonable
person in the PCB’s position presented with the April letter tout court would have perceived
it to be a binding contract (Paragraph 38 of the Award). Such misapprehension - indeed these
proceedings - would have been avoided if the BCCI, who proposed the letter, had - as it could
so easily have done - made clear that it was only a declaration of intent. Second, in so far as
it created a moral obligation (Paragraph 42 of the Award), that moral obligation was more
honoured in the breach than in the observance."

 

[Usman]

I don't know how they concluded that PCB case had merits based on reduced pay out. That's not how it works

Facts don't matter brother, as long as some of home audience buys the nonsense - its enough to feed the rubbish self-righteousness and victim complex. Its always the fault of the other - whether its the evil ICC or the evil BCCI. But to be fair, all cricket boards are filled with such corrupt and moronic suits.

PCB's response is rather amusing and quite baffling.

Again, read my post above before reaching misplaced conclusions.

The PCB is absolutely right to say that the costs payout was reduced because the PCB's position had merit

 

[JaDed]

Lol at posters saying BCCI can't do anything to PCB ,I mean what else should it do ? Lol PCB put a case on India lost and are not counter sued to pay the legal fees and still some posters are arrogant about PCB!

 

[Usman]

As a lawyer, I think this case is a perfect demonstration of how important it is to have a good lawyer drafting agreements. Had the PCB paid a good lawyer no more than a few thousand pounds at most, the PCB would have had a watertight agreement and the BCCI would have been in serious trouble. Without wishing to blow my own trumpet, even I could have drafted an agreement which would have given much better protection to the PCB.

As it happened, the PCB accepted a flimsy piece of paper with nothing more than warm words from the BCCI about possible future tours. That was a catastrophic mistake.

 

[Shafi]

Hopefully it will stop PCB to beg India to play with them. Have some pride. Shameless people.

 

[Banter]

Hopefully it will stop PCB to beg India to play with them. Have some pride. Shameless people.

Pride doesn't pay the bills. The need of the hour is some quiet bridge-building, not self-inflicted wounds by demonstrating "pride".

 

[Shafi]

Pride doesn't pay the bills. The need of the hour is some quiet bridge-building, not self-inflicted wounds by demonstrating "pride".

It does not help if corrupt people run PCB and pay themselves high salaries. Instead we should have honest PCB staffs plus players with more dedication with average salary. Believe it or not players get 100 times more money plus additional facilities than laborers doing less physical works.
You cannot expect to live lifestyle of Saudi Royal living in sub-continent. Should have lower the expectation of living standard. Its only money for our players after with any dedication.

 

[Shafi]

Its time for PCB to stand up on his feet and vow for no more play with India in any tournament. Enough is enough. But I doubt about our spineless PCB big shots.

 

[QuickCrick]

I don’t know the ins and outs of it but from what I understand this whole drama is shameful for one side and embarrassing for the other. India shouldn’t have used us and we shouldn’t have blindly trusted them.

A man is respected for his word, clearly we weren’t dealing with one. We should learn from our mistakes, pay up and move on.

 

[Banter]

Its time for PCB to stand up on his feet and vow for no more play with India in any tournament. Enough is enough. But I doubt about our spineless PCB big shots.

ICC won't allow PCB to pull such silly stunts. And without the ICC money flowing in, PCB would be in a lot more trouble than it already is.

If not for the silly hostility with India, all of Pakistan cricket could have prospered and benefited with the flow of money associated with Indian cricket. But instead, look at the way things are, have to depend on ICC handouts and favors to keep things running, and hope that some day teams will come play in Pakistan.

 

[Banter]

I don’t know the ins and outs of it but from what I understand this whole drama is shameful for one side and embarrassing for the other. India shouldn’t have used us and we shouldn’t have blindly trusted them.

A man is respected for his word, clearly we weren’t dealing with one. We should learn from our mistakes, pay up and move on.

How exactly did India "use" you? All the BCCI did was try to get an unanimous vote for the 'big 3' changes. Changes that ended up being thrown out anyway. And its not like the 'big 3' changes were not going to go through without PCB support anyway. By the way, PCB did vote and lobby against India and sided with Giles Clarke and the ECB in the recent ICC voting - that's why Giles Clarke visted Pakistan to "review security", and approved release of ICC funds to pay for that "WOrld XI" T20 series.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

What did the PCB expect. They initiated a courtcase on what was clearly not a legally sound basis, forcing the defendant to employ expensive lawyers to fight their case.

I am far from a BCCI supporter but in this case the PCB can consider themselves lucky to only have to pay 60% of the expenses, many other cases have led to the plaintiffs incurring all defense costs.

 

[ehsanrashid]

Shame on Sethi

 

[latecut]

There are some deluded fans who are suggesting that PCB should oppose the decision and refuse to pay. As a member of ICC, PCB cannot defy the orders of ICC, else the consequences could be far more costly than the amount of payment they have been asked to make.

 

[Balthazar]

If not for the silly hostility with India, all of Pakistan cricket could have prospered and benefited with the flow of money associated with Indian cricket.

I don't think even without the supposed hostility, Indian organisations would be willing to associate with anything Pakistan. There's just too much bad blood between the two countries and BCCI will always find a reason to undermine them. This is coming from an Indian fan.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Mani should ask Najam Sethi to do this.

That incompetent buffoon will mess that up aswell. Keep Sethi as far away from the PCB affairs as possible. He is the reason Pakistan has been humiliated by the BCCI even off-the-pitch

 

[MenInG]

Ehsan Mani burdened with dealing with aftermath of his predecessor's actions (which ostensibly were done for sincere reasons)

Interesting to see how he deals with this.

 

[Usman Chadda]

As a lawyer, I think this case is a perfect demonstration of how important it is to have a good lawyer drafting agreements. Had the PCB paid a good lawyer no more than a few thousand pounds at most, the PCB would have had a watertight agreement and the BCCI would have been in serious trouble. Without wishing to blow my own trumpet, even I could have drafted an agreement which would have given much better protection to the PCB.

As it happened, the PCB accepted a flimsy piece of paper with nothing more than warm words from the BCCI about possible future tours. That was a catastrophic mistake.

Furthermore, this case is a perfect example of the kind of corruption that goes on in our institutions. You can't say with a straight face that Najam Sethi was not advised that he had absolutely zero case based on that flimsy document received from the BCCI. I'm sure he received a nice kickback from initiating this whole fiasco, and conveniently got out after filling his coffers. The timing of the case and the verdict is just too convenient.

Sethi should be lashed in public for initiating something so categorically stupid. Mani should literally take the pants off this fraud and take him to the cleaners in a press conference, exposing all the goons of the previous regime for the mess they have left him in.

 

[Mamoon]

Mani is in a good place right now. This is a ready-made excuse on a platter should he fail to deliver in his tenure, which he will.

Whatever he does from this point would be perceived as an honest attempt to clean up the mess of his predecessors.

 

[Mamoon]

A fool Najam Sethi was.

I used to praise him for some good work on PSL, but he did far more damage to Pak cricket than the good PSL work.

We now have a terrible relation with the richest, most powerful board, and have become a laughing stock by being in a position to PAY rather than get paid.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], Sethi gets a lot of blame.

Sethi was at the wrong place at the wrong time and Mani finds himself at the right place at the right time.

 

[Savak]

As a lawyer, I think this case is a perfect demonstration of how important it is to have a good lawyer drafting agreements. Had the PCB paid a good lawyer no more than a few thousand pounds at most, the PCB would have had a watertight agreement and the BCCI would have been in serious trouble. Without wishing to blow my own trumpet, even I could have drafted an agreement which would have given much better protection to the PCB.

As it happened, the PCB accepted a flimsy piece of paper with nothing more than warm words from the BCCI about possible future tours. That was a catastrophic mistake.

The PCB insisted on a legally binding agreement with reference to going to the international Court of Arbitration in case of violation and money in an escrow account by the BCCI refused and stated take our word for it.

 

[MenInG]

Mani is in a good place right now. This is a ready-made excuse on a platter should he fail to deliver in his tenure, which he will.

Whatever he does from this point would be perceived as an honest attempt to clean up the mess of his predecessors.

So cleaning up someone else's mess is some sort of an advantage?

Pakistan's reputation being dragged through mud is not a win win situation.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Media reports says the figure is close to $2mn. Expensive fishing expedition.

 

[Strike!]

Send the bill to the idiot Sethi.

 

[MenInG]

Media reports says the figure is close to $2mn. Expensive fishing expedition.

No one really knows as the part is blacked out in the judgement but seems to be close to that

 

[Mamoon]

So cleaning up someone else's mess is some sort of an advantage?

Pakistan's reputation being dragged through mud is not a win win situation.

Well it is a win-win situation for Mani. If does a good job from here on, he will get extra credit because he inherited a mess. However, if he fails to deliver, he will get extra leeway because he inherited a mess.

 

[Usman]

Furthermore, this case is a perfect example of the kind of corruption that goes on in our institutions. You can't say with a straight face that Najam Sethi was not advised that he had absolutely zero case based on that flimsy document received from the BCCI. I'm sure he received a nice kickback from initiating this whole fiasco, and conveniently got out after filling his coffers. The timing of the case and the verdict is just too convenient.

Sethi should be lashed in public for initiating something so categorically stupid. Mani should literally take the pants off this fraud and take him to the cleaners in a press conference, exposing all the goons of the previous regime for the mess they have left him in.

That might be the case but the panel didn't think Sethi acted in this way. The panel said that another reason for reducing the costs award against the PCB is that the PCB acted in good faith - i.e. the PCB genuinely thought it had a valid case. I am sure behind the scenes the PCB's lawyers will have told the PCB that the probability of losing was high. The fact that the PCB proceeded to the tribunal stage might be for the reasons you have said.

The PCB should have tried to settle before reaching the tribunal stage, but from the disparaging remarks made by the panel about the BCCI's pure arrogance, I doubt that the BCCI was even interested in settling the dispute and trying to salvage relations between the boards.

I think this case verifies what we all already know. The BCCI has morphed into an organisation which is prepared to use its power to squash the rest of the world. It's the kind of strategy that Donald Trump is famous for. Most Indians are happy that their board is making so much money and is therefore so powerful. Is it however a justifiable way to behave if you alienate all your former allies? I think the answer to that is no, but most Indians seem to think the answer is yes.

The PCB insisted on a legally binding agreement with reference to going to the international Court of Arbitration in case of violation and money in an escrow account by the BCCI refused and stated take our word for it.

In that case, the PCB made a big mistake. Who knows though, the PCB may have realised that all they will get is this letter or nothing at all. On the basis that something is better than nothing, they may have been forced to accept the letter.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I’d like to understand if forfeiting matches in ICC tournaments is still allowed. Teams often threaten to do so. Apart from where thins stand in ge tournament the ICC also has vested interests in these high profile matches and would get a lot of flak from broadcasters and sponsors of big matches are cancelled.

In 1996 and 2003 I remember Australia, England forfeiting matches in Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe probably. Those weren’t big matches.

Can India or Pakistan pull out of India-Pakistan matches on their own? Can’t the ICC overrule it and even punish the team by suspensding it from the tournament itself?

 

[USofA]

It's more important to India and government not to play Pakistan because their soldiers are being killed near the LOC. This isn't changing any time soon ,perhaps not in our lifetime. PCB has no reason to do anything at all here. ICC doesn't have the power imo to just take their funds, unless you or anyone can show differently.

It's not about just paying the BCCI. The ICC also needs to get paid admin costs too. The ICC may or may not have the power to take money away from PCB to give to BCCI, but they likely have the power to take the funds when it comes to what is owed to them.

The smart thing to do is pay up and put this whole saga behind. Especially with elections coming in India. A possible change in power could also change relations between BCCI and PCB. Though from what I remember, the other party was the one which started the ban.

 

[USofA]

I think it is lost on you that the BCCI had ignored the peaceful overtures, gestures and attempts to talk with the PCB for the last 10 years. Who can remember the fiasco when Syk and Sethi arrived in New Delhi only for their trip to be disrupted by Shiv Sena activists and the BCCI behaved as if nothing had occurred or it was any moral responsibility on their part to show courtesy, respect and hospitality to their guests.

Pakistan has not really lost much except for $4 million which they can recover via the PSL and other avenues. Atleast the realization has dawned on them that they can not rely on the BCCI and any agreement signed with them is as good as toilet paper. Atleast now they can look for other options to be commercially viable. Just read right now according to a tv reporter that the PCB has received an offer offer of $33 million from a UK based broadcasting group for rights to broadcast the PSL for the next 3 years, sure it falls just short of the $42-43 million benchmark the PCB had set but is still comfortably higher than what the local ehsan faramosh Pakistani broadcasters had offered to the PCB and tried to low ball the PCB as much as they could. The PCB achieved this through hard work, all on its own without any handouts from the rest of the world or help from the BCCI. If the PCB puts its mind to it, it can be successful.

Why couldn't the PCB have done both? On the one hand try to mend things with BCCI and on the other hand try to become financially independent. For ten years they have been doing just one thing - get a series with BCCI. And they failed at that. Why would the PCB suddenly become efficient.

 

[USofA]

Withdraw from any Indian matches in ICC tournaments. Do it last minute too.

That would hurt the ICC not the BCCI. Which in turn will hurt the PCB as a portion revenues from ICC tournaments are distributed to individual boards. The $$ pool will be reduced, which means the PCB like all others will get less $$.

 

[USofA]

That might be the case but the panel didn't think Sethi acted in this way. The panel said that another reason for reducing the costs award against the PCB is that the PCB acted in good faith - i.e. the PCB genuinely thought it had a valid case. I am sure behind the scenes the PCB's lawyers will have told the PCB that the probability of losing was high. The fact that the PCB proceeded to the tribunal stage might be for the reasons you have said.

The PCB should have tried to settle before reaching the tribunal stage, but from the disparaging remarks made by the panel about the BCCI's pure arrogance, I doubt that the BCCI was even interested in settling the dispute and trying to salvage relations between the boards.

I think this case verifies what we all already know. The BCCI has morphed into an organisation which is prepared to use its power to squash the rest of the world. It's the kind of strategy that Donald Trump is famous for. Most Indians are happy that their board is making so much money and is therefore so powerful. Is it however a justifiable way to behave if you alienate all your former allies? I think the answer to that is no, but most Indians seem to think the answer is yes.

The problem is that when someone (BCCI in this case) is having their way, they are not going to stop or change. Why would they. That is human nature. If there needs to be a change, it has to come from the other side. But the other side (ICC and the rest of the boards) are not showing any signs to bring about a change. They are perfectly happy pocketing BCCI $$$.

In that case, the PCB made a big mistake. Who knows though, the PCB may have realised that all they will get is this letter or nothing at all. On the basis that something is better than nothing, they may have been forced to accept the letter.

This shows the utter desperation and incompetency of PCB. They seem to have been totally blinded the potential BCCI $$$ coming their way and not check on anything else. Like the validity of that MOU for example.

 

[Garuda]

Okay, this will be very unpopular post here. But I will still go ahead and say it

First thing, PCB officials should understand is fight back is not always the best solution. Sometimes stepping back or not answering is a wise decision. It may show you badly in short term but beneficial in long run.

On the other hand, they do the opposite which is do something which gives them applauses in domestic circle but makes bigger losses in long run.

Pak player playing in IPL issue : PCB shouldn't have removed their players from IPL in 2009 (Even after BCCI dropped them after Mumbai incident). It only served their pride then, but the players missed out for a decade. Short term gain, long term loss.

Opposing BCCI and lobbying against it's move : We can argue about conduct of BCCI (whether right or wrong). But there is no argument that they do possess a lot of say in ICC affairs. So what will PCB gain by staying at the wrong side of them. Other than just showing that we took a stand ?

Short term gain of being popular and chest thumping, long term bigger loss financially and diplomatically.

On the other hand, if they have reversed the decision, in short term some fans might have criticised but PCB was not losing anything major. The players might have been back in IPL sooner and a friendly PCB might have more advocates on BCCI side to push for bilaterals.

Now no one from BCCI will advocate in favour of PCB as it will be too pricy for that person.

Like I said, this view may not liked here much but I would have suggested the same for BCCI if it was in the same position as PCB.

As we have a saying in hindi "KABHI KABHI GADHE KO BHI BAAP BANAANA PADTA HAI".

 

[cricketindiafan]

Okay, this will be very unpopular post here. But I will still go ahead and say it

First thing, PCB officials should understand is fight back is not always the best solution. Sometimes stepping back or not answering is a wise decision. It may show you badly in short term but beneficial in long run.

On the other hand, they do the opposite which is do something which gives them applauses in domestic circle but makes bigger losses in long run.

Pak player playing in IPL issue : PCB shouldn't have removed their players from IPL in 2009 (Even after BCCI dropped them after Mumbai incident). It only served their pride then, but the players missed out for a decade. Short term gain, long term loss.

Opposing BCCI and lobbying against it's move : We can argue about conduct of BCCI (whether right or wrong). But there is no argument that they do possess a lot of say in ICC affairs. So what will PCB gain by staying at the wrong side of them. Other than just showing that we took a stand ?

Short term gain of being popular and chest thumping, long term bigger loss financially and diplomatically.

On the other hand, if they have reversed the decision, in short term some fans might have criticised but PCB was not losing anything major. The players might have been back in IPL sooner and a friendly PCB might have more advocates on BCCI side to push for bilaterals.

Now no one from BCCI will advocate in favour of PCB as it will be too pricy for that person.

Like I said, this view may not liked here much but I would have suggested the same for BCCI if it was in the same position as PCB.

As we have a saying in hindi "KABHI KABHI GADHE KO BHI BAAP BANAANA PADTA HAI".

Great to see you again [MENTION=9303]Garuda[/MENTION]. Hope you've been well.

 

[topspin]

Mani is in a good place right now. This is a ready-made excuse on a platter should he fail to deliver in his tenure, which he will.

Whatever he does from this point would be perceived as an honest attempt to clean up the mess of his predecessors.

Sethi was at the wrong place at the wrong time and Mani finds himself at the right place at the right time.

Well it is a win-win situation for Mani. If does a good job from here on, he will get extra credit because he inherited a mess. However, if he fails to deliver, he will get extra leeway because he inherited a mess.

Mamoon in all fairness you don't have a leg to stand on here when you were lecturing his critics (including myself) with "there is no cure for Sethiphobia" being regurgitated

You've shown your a blind follower and too stubborn to even admit his failings.

Secondly, how is it a win-win for Mani to inherit a mess? It's not fair for him that he has to govern a PCB that has lost 2mn because of the incompetence and shambles of his predecessor. It puts him at a disadvantage.

If I recall correctly, you're a Man U fan, so surely it is a win-win situation for Mourinho's successor for inheriting an accumulated mess because they will get "extra credit". Now see how absurd you sound when I use your logic.

You're happy to call anyone one out like with the Sethiphobe jibe but lets not be disingenuous here and be dismissive of Sethi's wrongdoing as simply being "at the wrong place at the wrong time".

You seem adamant that Mani will fail but one thing I will say given his background as ICC CEO/Chairman he is far more qualified and competent than Sethi. For instance he would have ensured the MoU isn't suffice for any agreements with BCCI going forward as it isn't legally binding.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Factsheet 1: The decision to go to the ICC Dispute Resolution Committee against the BCCI was taken by the PCB BoG UNANIMOUSLY under Chairman Sheharyar Khan.</p>— Najam Sethi (@najamsethi) <a href="https://twitter.com/najamsethi/status/1075698477332606981?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Factsheet 2: PCB Decision was based on two STRONG legal opinions, one Pak one UK QC, that PCB had a GOOD case. ICC held that there was indeed a contract between BCCI and PCB but BCCI didnt get govt permission which rendered contract void.</p>— Najam Sethi (@najamsethi) <a href="https://twitter.com/najamsethi/status/1075698974428925952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Garuda]

Great to see you again [MENTION=9303]Garuda[/MENTION]. Hope you've been well.

Been always here but not very frequent for last couple of years. Life gets busy.

Hope you all have been doing well and enjoying this nice forum.

 

[Reddy]

Media reports says the figure is close to $2mn. Expensive fishing expedition.

The total cost to PCB will be near to $4 Million, 1 million they spent on lawyers, another 2 million to BCCI and then have to pay for Tribunal costs too which will cost another million.

 

[Savak]

As a lawyer, I think this case is a perfect demonstration of how important it is to have a good lawyer drafting agreements. Had the PCB paid a good lawyer no more than a few thousand pounds at most, the PCB would have had a watertight agreement and the BCCI would have been in serious trouble. Without wishing to blow my own trumpet, even I could have drafted an agreement which would have given much better protection to the PCB.

As it happened, the PCB accepted a flimsy piece of paper with nothing more than warm words from the BCCI about possible future tours. That was a catastrophic mistake.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Factsheet 1: The decision to go to the ICC Dispute Resolution Committee against the BCCI was taken by the PCB BoG UNANIMOUSLY under Chairman Sheharyar Khan.</p>— Najam Sethi (@najamsethi) <a href="https://twitter.com/najamsethi/status/1075698477332606981?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 20, 2018</a></blockquote>
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This proves that the pcb needs to go after the lawyers who misled them out of greed for legal fees

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A fool Najam Sethi was.

I used to praise him for some good work on PSL, but he did far more damage to Pak cricket than the good PSL work.

We now have a terrible relation with the richest, most powerful board, and have become a laughing stock by being in a position to PAY rather than get paid.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], Sethi gets a lot of blame.

Can you suggest any ways in which the PCB could encourage a better relationship with the most powerful board?

 

[Reddy]

Can you suggest any ways in which the PCB could encourage a better relationship with the most powerful board?

BCCI never had bad relationship with PCB, whenever there was Govt level improvement in relationship BCCI quickly organised 2-3 tours. BCCI even had Pakistani players in IPL 2008 but then PCB again pulled players in 2009 trying to harm IPL but it backfired just like this latest fiasco!!

 

[topspin]

Can you suggest any ways in which the PCB could encourage a better relationship with the most powerful board?

The relationship is actually mostly PCB's doing mainly because of the following:

1. Boycotting its players from taking part in the second edition of IPL
2. Attempted to get the 2011 WC shifted away from India after Pakistan had lost its right to host the WC following the Lahore attack.
3. Tried to sue them for money for not fulfilling the MoU

Some of our posters have selective memory and only seem to recall BCCI's treatment of PCB, however if you're going to upset the top dog in cricket, it will will come to haunt you. Lets not pretend that if we were in their shoes we wouldn't do the same!

PCB (and fans here) need rid themselves of this self-pity and actually acknowledge their mistakes + ensure there will be no repeat of such episodes under the new governance without expecting anything in return in the short term.

Once PCB has regained trust and acts in a more professional + diplomatic manner then they might find themselves to be in a position to revive cricket ties.

 

[sully3]

Just another reason to hate Indian cricket, BCCI and its team.

1.2 million not a big amount, we should be petty and give this amount to BCCI in 1 cent coins.

ala how Samsung paid the fine to Apple in 1 cent coins a few years ago. And tell them beggars cant be choosers


And from now on it should be PCB policy to vote against India in every ICC vote, regardless of the issue.

 

[Banter]

I don't think even without the supposed hostility, Indian organisations would be willing to associate with anything Pakistan. There's just too much bad blood between the two countries and BCCI will always find a reason to undermine them. This is coming from an Indian fan.

Being an "Indian fan" doesn't make you right. BCCI and PCB have a long history of co-operation, because both boards knew the importance of working togethert to combat bias in the ICC. And they are also well aware of the profits that both boards can make with bilateral cricket. BCCI has been friendly with the PCB during times of hostility between the 2 countries in the past as well.

To be blunt, it was simply stupid on the PCB's part to take the "aggressive" approach towards the BCCI - the only benefit that they would gain is clapping and appreciation by the home audience. And they risked so much revenue for Pakistan cricket. Its borderline criminal how they have disregarded their duty and responsibility towards Pakistan cricket.

But judging by so many vocal "patriots" on here, this sort of self-defeating "logic" runs strong in Pakistan. Hostility for the sake of it, even it is doomed to failure. No wonder relations are the way they are.

 

[Reddy]

Just another reason to hate Indian cricket, BCCI and its team.

1.2 million not a big amount, we should be petty and give this amount to BCCI in 1 cent coins.

ala how Samsung paid the fine to Apple in 1 cent coins a few years ago. And tell them beggars cant be choosers

The total loss for PCB is around $4 Million, According to media reports PCB spent 1 million on own lawyers, 2 million to be paid to BCCI and another million for Tribunal costs and expenses like Judges etc. That is more than the profit made from PSL this year.

 

[Banter]

The relationship is actually mostly PCB's doing mainly because of the following:

1. Boycotting its players from taking part in the second edition of IPL
2. Attempted to get the 2011 WC shifted away from India after Pakistan had lost its right to host the WC following the Lahore attack.
3. Tried to sue them for money for not fulfilling the MoU

Some of our posters have selective memory and only seem to recall BCCI's treatment of PCB, however if you're going to upset the top dog in cricket, it will will come to haunt you. Lets not pretend that if we were in their shoes we wouldn't do the same!

PCB (and fans here) need rid themselves of this self-pity and actually acknowledge their mistakes + ensure there will be no repeat of such episodes under the new governance without expecting anything in return in the short term.

Once PCB has regained trust and acts in a more professional + diplomatic manner then they might find themselves to be in a position to revive cricket ties.

Much easier to blame BCCI and India - cue the racist tropes of bagal mein churi etc.

 

[sully3]

The total loss for PCB is around $4 Million, According to media reports PCB spent 1 million on own lawyers, 2 million to be paid to BCCI and another million for Tribunal costs and expenses like Judges etc. That is more than the profit made from PSL this year.

its 1.2 million. What kind of lawyers charge 4 million for ICC disputed case LOL where no 3rd part evidence or investogation was needed

secondly the court wouldnt make them pay for an amount they cant afford. fines take into consideration if the 2nd party can afford to pay the amount. No point fining a student a million dollars when you know he wont be able to pay it.

 

[Reddy]

its 1.2 million. What kind of lawyers charge 4 million for ICC disputed case LOL where no 3rd part evidence or investogation was needed

secondly the court wouldnt make them pay for an amount they cant afford. fines take into consideration if the 2nd party can afford to pay the amount. No point fining a student a million dollars when you know he wont be able to pay it.

Read again, I said total cost on this fiasco, there are media reports on big cricket websites on this, PCB paid 1 Million for own lawyers from UK, then 2 million for BCCI and also Tribunal costs and expenses like Judges, meetings etc. So Total loss for PCB is $4 Million which is more than the entire profit of this year's PSL. This has backfired massively.

 

[sully3]

Read again, I said total cost on this fiasco, there are media reports on big cricket websites on this, PCB paid 1 Million for own lawyers from UK, then 2 million for BCCI and also Tribunal costs and expenses like Judges, meetings etc. So Total loss for PCB is $4 Million which is more than the entire profit of this year's PSL. This has backfired massively.

backfired because they were looking to earn 100 million plus from the indian series, indians acting like PCB sued for no reason trying to discredit india. They were trying to get their bucks up just like any other cricket board in the world.

Anyway indians can laugh now but the mighty do fall and when they fall they crumble. just ask Saddam Hussain !

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

BCCI never had bad relationship with PCB, whenever there was Govt level improvement in relationship BCCI quickly organised 2-3 tours. BCCI even had Pakistani players in IPL 2008 but then PCB again pulled players in 2009 trying to harm IPL but it backfired just like this latest fiasco!!

The relationship is actually mostly PCB's doing mainly because of the following:

1. Boycotting its players from taking part in the second edition of IPL
2. Attempted to get the 2011 WC shifted away from India after Pakistan had lost its right to host the WC following the Lahore attack.
3. Tried to sue them for money for not fulfilling the MoU

Some of our posters have selective memory and only seem to recall BCCI's treatment of PCB, however if you're going to upset the top dog in cricket, it will will come to haunt you. Lets not pretend that if we were in their shoes we wouldn't do the same!

PCB (and fans here) need rid themselves of this self-pity and actually acknowledge their mistakes + ensure there will be no repeat of such episodes under the new governance without expecting anything in return in the short term.

Once PCB has regained trust and acts in a more professional + diplomatic manner then they might find themselves to be in a position to revive cricket ties.

I am not arguing who was right or wrong in 2009, or 2011, it was put by the poster Savak that PCB had a terrible relationship with the most powerful board, all I was asking was, what in his opinion could the PCB do to encourage better relations with India.

Something specific would be good rather than a generic reply along the lines of act in a more professional or diplomatic manner. For example, in an effort to resume bilateral tours, what approach would you suggest PCB take?

 

[jagatk]

I am not arguing who was right or wrong in 2009, or 2011, it was put by the poster Savak that PCB had a terrible relationship with the most powerful board, all I was asking was, what in his opinion could the PCB do to encourage better relations with India.

Something specific would be good rather than a generic reply along the lines of act in a more professional or diplomatic manner. For example, in an effort to resume bilateral tours, what approach would you suggest PCB take?

You really can't do much about the bilaterals until Gov says yes, both sides know that its always been the case, it depends on how the political situation is. The problem PCB face right now is until few years ago, whenever the situation eased the series happened as both Boards were on good terms, now that isn't the case, so even if governments agree there won't be more than bare minimum from BCCI's side, how you fix it, is basically diplomacy and better communication, no real magic pill out there to fix this mess.

 

[jagatk]

backfired because they were looking to earn 100 million plus from the indian series, indians acting like PCB sued for no reason trying to discredit india. They were trying to get their bucks up just like any other cricket board in the world.

Anyway indians can laugh now but the mighty do fall and when they fall they crumble. just ask Saddam Hussain !

That was what was supposed to happen according to Pak Fans when the case was filed. Look how that turned out. BCCI are right now in too big to fail territory, every country needs us because no other country has 1.2 Bn people ready to watch cricket, that is not going to change in short or long term.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You really can't do much about the bilaterals until Gov says yes, both sides know that its always been the case, it depends on how the political situation is. The problem PCB face right now is until few years ago, whenever the situation eased the series happened as both Boards were on good terms, now that isn't the case, so even if governments agree there won't be more than bare minimum from BCCI's side, how you fix it, is basically diplomacy and better communication, no real magic pill out there to fix this mess.

Well that was my point, you could replace PCB with the most professional and diplomatic personalities in the world, if the political climate takes bilateral cricket - or any other meaningful matches - out of the hands of PCB or BCCI, then it won't make any difference, their hands are tied anyway. Indian govt has the whip hand here, no amount of begging or crawling from PCB is going to make much difference.

 

[jagatk]

Well that was my point, you could replace PCB with the most professional and diplomatic personalities in the world, if the political climate takes bilateral cricket - or any other meaningful matches - out of the hands of PCB or BCCI, then it won't make any difference, their hands are tied anyway. Indian govt has the whip hand here, no amount of begging or crawling from PCB is going to make much difference.

A more professional body won't make enemies out of the most powerful Cricket Board for starters, a series would have been possible during first 2 years of the Modi Government with a bit of a push as Modi was trying to restore relations, but as others have pointed out the issues between BCCI and PCB happened before that and therefore was no real push from BCCI.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A more professional body won't make enemies out of the most powerful Cricket Board for starters, a series would have been possible during first 2 years of the Modi Government with a bit of a push as Modi was trying to restore relations, but as others have pointed out the issues between BCCI and PCB happened before that and therefore was no real push from BCCI.

But I thought the two boards did come to an agreement to resume bilateral cricket, but then non- cricket related political events took this out of the hands of the BCCI, and the tours were torpedoed. Nothing to do with the PCB/ IPL or making enemies from 2009 from what I recall.

 

[Banter]

But I thought the two boards did come to an agreement to resume bilateral cricket, but then non- cricket related political events took this out of the hands of the BCCI, and the tours were torpedoed. Nothing to do with the PCB/ IPL or making enemies from 2009 from what I recall.

You are correct. But now by hounding the BCCI and attacking them with lawsuits, PCB has made things even worse. At some point, hopefully soon, INdia-Pakistan relations at the govt level will improve and the govt roadblock will hopefully go away. At that point, if PCB-BCCI relations were still good, PCB would have gained by quickly getting a home series with India, with maximum games. But now by attacking the BCCI, PCB has burned those bridges. Even if the Indian govt doesn't object, the BCCI is likely to drag its feet and play hard to get, maybe reduce its availability for a series to a bare minimum. All of this, simply because the PCB chose to adopt "aggressive" tactics towards the BCCI - which by all accounts and common sense, had very little chance at succeeding.

 

[Itachi]

backfired because they were looking to earn 100 million plus from the indian series, indians acting like PCB sued for no reason trying to discredit india. They were trying to get their bucks up just like any other cricket board in the world.

Anyway indians can laugh now but the mighty do fall and when they fall they crumble. just ask Saddam Hussain !

When you sue someone and lose a case, it means you didn't have substantial ground to sue them. PCB lost the case. Which means, PCB tried to gain money in the ground where it has no right. But every action will create a ripple effect and now it's time for PCB to face those ripple effects that itself had created. Why make the PCB innocent party now?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You are correct. But now by hounding the BCCI and attacking them with lawsuits, PCB has made things even worse. At some point, hopefully soon, INdia-Pakistan relations at the govt level will improve and the govt roadblock will hopefully go away. At that point, if PCB-BCCI relations were still good, PCB would have gained by quickly getting a home series with India, with maximum games. But now by attacking the BCCI, PCB has burned those bridges. Even if the Indian govt doesn't object, the BCCI is likely to drag its feet and play hard to get, maybe reduce its availability for a series to a bare minimum. All of this, simply because the PCB chose to adopt "aggressive" tactics towards the BCCI - which by all accounts and common sense, had very little chance at succeeding.

So basically, as the BCCI was able to wave the IPL card from 2009, now they will be able to put this grudge in the bank for the next time there is any "opportunity" to resume bilateral cricket. Repeat and rinse. There is no winning with Indian cricket or their fans, but for those Pakistanis foolish enough to think that begging or crawling will help...take a look at the replies from Indians in this thread. Already they are banking up the revenge quota for the next time. They don't want to play cricket with Pakistan, their new 'rivalry' is with Australia and England.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

You are correct. But now by hounding the BCCI and attacking them with lawsuits, PCB has made things even worse. At some point, hopefully soon, INdia-Pakistan relations at the govt level will improve and the govt roadblock will hopefully go away. At that point, if PCB-BCCI relations were still good, PCB would have gained by quickly getting a home series with India, with maximum games. But now by attacking the BCCI, PCB has burned those bridges. Even if the Indian govt doesn't object, the BCCI is likely to drag its feet and play hard to get, maybe reduce its availability for a series to a bare minimum. All of this, simply because the PCB chose to adopt "aggressive" tactics towards the BCCI - which by all accounts and common sense, had very little chance at succeeding.

This basically. Even if bilateral relations do improve, it's more likely that BCCI will end up playing hard ball and refuse to play Pakistan .

 

[Savak]

Lol, so looks like Ali Tareen will be the guy paying for this. PCB can easily pay off the amount owing to the affected parties after collecting $6.3 million from Ali Tareen.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This basically. Even if bilateral relations do improve, it's more likely that BCCI will end up playing hard ball and refuse to play Pakistan .

Agreed. But that has been their intention for the past 10 years anyway, can't see it changing no matter what policy PCB adopts or how nicely they sing and dance in front of the BCCI. But if you have any suggestions on what they could do to persuade BCCI to take concrete steps to resuming ties then of course I will be glad to hear them. Please suggest something positive, not along the lines of "but now PCB have done this so of course BCCI must take revenge for 10 more years etc..."

 

[Varun]

There is no winning with Indian cricket or their fans, but for those Pakistanis foolish enough to think that begging or crawling will help...take a look at the replies from Indians in this thread. Already they are banking up the revenge quota for the next time. They don't want to play cricket with Pakistan, their new 'rivalry' is with Australia and England.

Ignore the bluster. When it comes to pass, every Indian fan bar none would love to play a series comprising of Tests and/or ODIs with Pakistan.

The BCCI obviously knows this as well - the recent Asia Cup in the UAE was a glorified 3-ODI series between India and Pakistan, only brought down to 2 because of Pakistan's hapless batting and bowling. Think about it, why would a format have two teams in such a short, sharp tournament play each other as many as 3 times?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Agreed. But that has been their intention for the past 10 years anyway, can't see it changing no matter what policy PCB adopts or how nicely they sing and dance in front of the BCCI. But if you have any suggestions on what they could do to persuade BCCI to take concrete steps to resuming ties then of course I will be glad to hear them. Please suggest something positive, not along the lines of "but now PCB have done this so of course BCCI must take revenge for 10 more years etc..."

There is absolutely nothing PCB can do now. Im not a fan of taking revenge on PCB especially since it looks like they have nothing left to lose but don't expect BCCI to soften their stance. Maybe PCB should sing and dance until BCCI wants them to since they are in no position to bargain anyway? Nobody is saying this is a fair and equal relationship. If sucking up to the BCCI is in their best interest, they should swallow their pride and do just that.

 

[Banter]

So basically, as the BCCI was able to wave the IPL card from 2009, now they will be able to put this grudge in the bank for the next time there is any "opportunity" to resume bilateral cricket. Repeat and rinse. There is no winning with Indian cricket or their fans, but for those Pakistanis foolish enough to think that begging or crawling will help...take a look at the replies from Indians in this thread. Already they are banking up the revenge quota for the next time. They don't want to play cricket with Pakistan, their new 'rivalry' is with Australia and England.

I think you are being excessively pessimistic. You are generalizing about Indian fans and Indian cricket out of emotional reactions and inaccurately. Sure, Indian fans love the rivalry with Aus - we have had a spicy one with them for 20 years now, going back to the famous follow-on test. And we love beating England - there's a special satisfaction at beating the poms in cricket. But having said all that, India-Pakistan cricket has a unique masala all its own. That all fans love. This is unlikely to change unless Pakistan cricket continues to regress and the contests turn consistently one-sided. I don't think they will.

And as far as BCCI is concerned, you are forgetting that resumption of ties will mean big profits for BCCI also - when its eventually their turn to host Pakistan, they will also rake in big bucks. And which cricket board doesn't like to earn money?

But all of that is further down the road. The PCB has burnt a few bridges here. And it needs to rebuild a few for its own sake and Pakistan cricket's sake. And one shouldn't think of it as "begging" or "crawling". Its just a business relationship after all. If you let your ego and emotions drive your thinking, that's when you end up making stupid decisions that have led the PCB into this mess in the first place.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There is absolutely nothing PCB can do now. Im not a fan of taking revenge on PCB especially since it looks like they have nothing left to lose but don't expect BCCI to soften their stance. Maybe PCB should sing and dance until BCCI wants them to since they are in no position to bargain anyway? Nobody is saying this is a fair and equal relationship. If sucking up to the BCCI is in their best interest, they should swallow their pride and do just that.

I'm sure they would if they thought the BCCI was in a position to guarantee some sort of light at the end of the tunnel, but even if we assume that they weren't in revenge mode for the next 10 years ( again), there is every chance the Indian govt could decide to pull the rug like the last time. This is about more than cricket, and has been for the last couple of decades. Personally I think PCB should just concentrate on domestic cricket and do what they can with the other cricket boards for international fixtures. Leave BCCI to do their own thing and stop pestering them. That is my biggest issue with the PCB, but even if the entire board is sacked and replaced, I don't believe the new board should approach or even address the BCCI through third parties unless the BCCI themselves initiate contact.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think you are being excessively pessimistic. You are generalizing about Indian fans and Indian cricket out of emotional reactions and inaccurately. Sure, Indian fans love the rivalry with Aus - we have had a spicy one with them for 20 years now, going back to the famous follow-on test. And we love beating England - there's a special satisfaction at beating the poms in cricket. But having said all that, India-Pakistan cricket has a unique masala all its own. That all fans love. This is unlikely to change unless Pakistan cricket continues to regress and the contests turn consistently one-sided. I don't think they will.

And as far as BCCI is concerned, you are forgetting that resumption of ties will mean big profits for BCCI also - when its eventually their turn to host Pakistan, they will also rake in big bucks. And which cricket board doesn't like to earn money?

But all of that is further down the road. The PCB has burnt a few bridges here. And it needs to rebuild a few for its own sake and Pakistan cricket's sake. And one shouldn't think of it as "begging" or "crawling". Its just a business relationship after all. If you let your ego and emotions drive your thinking, that's when you end up making stupid decisions that have led the PCB into this mess in the first place.

See the above reply.

 

[latecut]

India plays cricket with every other country except Pakistan, so it is for Pakistan to introspect why that is the case. You can keep blaming BCCI all you want but that will not change things. Things will change with introspecion and corrective measures, not by living in denial.

 

[Hawkeye]

Can you suggest any ways in which the PCB could encourage a better relationship with the most powerful board?

Yes - hold matches at the neutral venue. Or even go to IND.

As soon as their govt goes a bit less jingoistic, we could have a proper home series.

Now, that is ruined by Sethi.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India plays cricket with every other country except Pakistan, so it is for Pakistan to introspect why that is the case. You can keep blaming BCCI all you want but that will not change things. Things will change with introspecion and corrective measures, not by living in denial.

Again...please provide specifics on how introspection and corrective measures can get BCCI to resume cricket ties bearing in mind that the BCCI itself cannot resume them without Indian govt approval.