PCB has done many things wrong but going to a resolution court is not one. In fact that's what one should do to resolve the issue once for all either way and both parties should accept and move on.
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PCB has done many things wrong but going to a resolution court is not one. In fact that's what one should do to resolve the issue once for all either way and both parties should accept and move on.
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Just because you dont say so doesnt mean they are not lies
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When is the panel expected to announce its decision?
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It doesn’t matter what they decide. Rhetoric and narrative building is enough for both BCCI and PCB fans to claim victory. Facts got nothing on them.
I really hope so, this will end this drama every six months. Personally for me creating more harmony between two nations is more important and I hope both PCB and BCCI play their part in it.
Why? its a resolution committee what wrong in resolving your issues? PCB have got thing wrong in the past but getting ICC to open up a resolution committee and getting this case finally resolved is in the best interest of everyone. You are already acting as if you or BCCI have lost something?
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There is no harmony in this. If PCB loses this case I think PTI should show some ghairat and boycott all ties with India when it comes to cricket and this would be their Government disapproval.
Why are we being forced to play India in the ICC matches when they clearly do not want to play us?
Why are we being forced to play India in the ICC matches when they clearly do not want to play us?
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Why would BCCI manhunt PCB. Infact BCCI has got no interest in dealing with PCB by any means. Its the PCB's obsession with INDIAN CRICKET that it wants cricketing affairs with them. Indian cricket is flourishing without playing Pakistan thats the bottom line. Indian Cricket doesnt need Pakistan. There has been never a day when and ex or present player or a PCB chairman not talks about BCCI or Indian Cricket. Why such obsession with Indian cricket ? Coz it brings money as simple as that. Now PCB must invite Bangladesh to UAE as they are going to give Pak a tough time as they defeated them in Asia Cup. It will give them better broadcasting deal and increase their revenue. They must find some alternative other than looking for making easy money through compensation.
Why are you so offended by this resolution committee? I know it looks bad that BCCI has been taken to resolution committee but let them make a decision either way and move on. PCB has only asked ICC to appoint a committee to look into this absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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Discursive sabotage 101. Bring the issues into the discussion that aren’t even relevant at this point in time, to derail and divert the whole conversation. I see that you have made quite a progress.
nobody is forcing anyone , PCB is free forfeit its matches. BCCI has made it clear it will play Pakistan only in tournaments.
I don't think that is true, to resolve any issue, you need some dialogue.
It was getting annoying to see PCB demand for series every other day when clearly the other party was not interested. With this trial, everything will come to an end. I hope BCCI will not make the same mistake again in the future and stay well clear of the PCB even if it means there's some short term loses. Why do they even need extra money?
Just becuase you say they become truth?????
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Your point?
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I don’t think there’s anything wrong with holding ppl accountable for their words. The fact that BCCI signed an MOU, knowing fully well that the GOI would reject the proposal reeks of lies, deceit, ill intentions and incompetence. Of course it’s incompetence on part of PCB to take BCCI for its word but hey, what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. Any neutral fan can testify for this fact.
I think the PCB should get compensation. Not from the BCCI, but from their broadcasting partners. Not sure who they are. Ten sports, PTV?
The PCB sold the broadcaster a bridge that they did not own and no business selling it. But the broadcasters bought it hook line and sinker. Now they have to pay up. They are the ones with a signed contract with the PCB for $150 million. Unless there was of course a specific clause requiring BCCI tours. Does such a clause exist?
I have read that 60% of the total money is India dependent. But is that in writing in the contract?
The PCB sold the broadcaster a bridge that they did not own and no business selling it. But the broadcasters bought it hook line and sinker. Now they have to pay up. They are the ones with a signed contract with the PCB for $150 million. Unless there was of course a specific clause requiring BCCI tours. Does such a clause exist?
I have read that 60% of the total money is India dependent. But is that in writing in the contract?
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It's almost 2020 and these two countries still have issues with each other.
Back in 1986 you would've thought by now all would be well.
Back in 1986 you would've thought by now all would be well.
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What is your point?
about what?
Thats a sensible post, BCCI was wrong to sign MoU and give PCB hope of bilateral series. If they wanted support for big 3 model they could have given set amount of money which they have plenty under the table and got that. Would have been easier really.
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About the lies and deceit. Do you think BCCI signed the MoU, or whatever you wanna call it, in good faith? Especially knowing that GOI would reject the proposal the moment the BCCI referred the matter to them. Do you not think that the whole deal was to coerce PCB into not voting against the big three proposal?
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Didn't PCB cancel the Bangladesh series? What you sow, what you reap. No need to take moral high ground here, when your board has the history of doing similar things. Now that they are at the receiving end, they are crying about it.
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LOL for sure it was! Fact is BCCI wanted big 3 proposal to go ahead and was desperate for it and signed the MoU even thought they knew they cant really control that. I think most Indian fans here know that too but what they are trying to say is that since the BCCI is powerful they should be allowed to get away from it.
Two wrong don't make a right! Regarding Bangladesh series its not profitable playing in UAE that why it was cancelled. Money does matter to PCB and its the only reason why they want to take this MoU matter further.
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As per the reports, PCB didn't actually support the big three model. So the deal got cancelled. Nothing more to it.
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The Bang did reap what they sowed, promised to tour Pakistan in exchange for PCB's support for their BCB chairman as ICC chairman, PCB held their end of the bargain, did the BCB?
So what did PCB do and whom did they vote for??? i
They didnt support initially but decided to in the end when BCCI showed them dollars by signing MoU.
MOU is still valid even though big three is not there??? just wanted to know.
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So now you are owning up to BCCI’s lies and deceits. Good for you. As far as Bangladesh and Pakistan series is concerned, we never signed an MoU with them. Plus, there were questions about financial viability of the series, a concept alien to an India vs Pakistan series. So there are hardly any parallels with that issue and this conflict. Therefore, your whole logic of ‘you sow, what you reap’ is pure bull ****. So now YOU can go, hide and cry for admitting that BCCI is full of ****. End of story.
Yes its unless its says in the MoU if big 3 doesn't happen MoU is void. You must understand PCB position they see a way of getting some money which they missed out on by not playing India would you blame them for that? We all know money matters. I dont think PCB is wrong by proceeding this just to see if they can claim any compensation anyone would do that.
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That explains why they don’t wanna play anymore. Hmm.
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$60-70 million is not the correct amount. The PCB should have sued for $200 million atleast for the 10 years of BCCI avoidance and blatant violation of the FTP and subsequent violation of the MOU.
answer the question , don't divert it.
If my memory serves me right, didn't the BCCI already have all the votes for the Big3 and the PCB was the only hold out?
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Didn’t I just answered it for you? BCCI coerced PCB into not voting against big 3 in exchange for the resumption to bilateral ties. PCB, in exchange, voted for big 3 and now that the big 3 is no more, the BCCI is finding it hard to swallow the bitter pill and deliver on its word. It’s very apparent, if you come to think of it.
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Anyone who has enough exposure to corporate culture would testify to the fact that dissent is bad optics for business, even if it comes from one stake holder.
it is a letter of intent it never got to MoU stage so no clauses are there.PCB is flaunting it as MoU.I totally understand PCB position, it played a game in getting this lettter of intent and then played a big part in dismantling big three.
My understanding was that the FTP is just a guidance/suggestion and not written in stone. I thought the individual boards are the ones that decide schedule. Which means there is no place for violation. Perhaps my understanding is wrong.
PCB was given this letter of intent and PCB was too clever for its own good once they got this letter they did what their intention were to begin with and played their role in dismantling big three.
BCCI once they knew what PCB did are now giving their fitting reply.
No they didn't as SA and Pak was opposing and they needed at-least one of them to have the required number of votes and that's why they signed the MoU to get Pakistan support. Its another matter latter SA decided to vote aswell.
I think its MoU there is nothing called letter of intent so I am sure its an MoU though I cant confirm. Pakistan didnt play the game as such BCCI showed the dollars and PCB obliged but yes latter they opposed the big 3 model but everybody else did so too.
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As mentioned earlier, you guys should pick one lie and stick to it. First, it was just an MoU which had no legal value, then it became a letter of intent because that lie became inconvenient for your arguments. So what’s next? You might just start call it ‘the thing’ that never happened because calling it an MoU became inconvenient.
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So now we are getting into conspiracy theories. Cheers to progress.
I don't have to change anything.I never said it was MoU, show me where it is says MoU? Read the contents again and get back to me where it says it will be in effect even after clauses in the letter of intent have been voided.
That letter is posted on this thread please read that again and let me know your interpretation of it.
Found it now, Its hard to say as I am not a professional only a professional person can say what its. But I am going to wait and see what the resolution committee say and the fact that they have not said the the agreement is void means there is more chances its an MoU because if it was just a letter this committee would not have been formed at all.
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Seems it may be 3-4 weeks before the verdict is out.
Good Enough time for BCCI to manipulate the outcome....
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Lock this thread for goodness sake.
Enough of the childish tantrums by both sets of fans!
Enough of the childish tantrums by both sets of fans!
I think so
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what kiddie logic is that? Just because there is a formal process of investigation does not automatically makes an accused guilty of the crime.
Let the final vedict come this thread will beat legendary Pandya - Faheem thread
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I hope the PCB sues the ICC if they deliberately bend over to appease the BCCI and announce an unjust verdict. The PCB should sue the ICC for compensation. Similar to the Tyson Fury case where he threatened to sue to UKAD for loss of earnings and damages and UKAD backed of with their allegations and reached a settlement with him.
Who said accused is guilty? In any case nobody is accused of anything in this case its just a compensation case.
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Point to highlight is :
1) If this was letter of intent, and indeed not enforceable, PCB stance is they started the dialogue for bilateral series based on this letter
2) BCCI response was this document does not hold official seal and this is not a document which anyone of the BCCI representative gave
Question was not about playing the series as per the letter. Question is BCCI who issued this letter later denied signing it, and then for PCB it sabotaged or delayed any dialogue between 2 boards. And by that time PCB lost 2/3 series.
1) If this was letter of intent, and indeed not enforceable, PCB stance is they started the dialogue for bilateral series based on this letter
2) BCCI response was this document does not hold official seal and this is not a document which anyone of the BCCI representative gave
Question was not about playing the series as per the letter. Question is BCCI who issued this letter later denied signing it, and then for PCB it sabotaged or delayed any dialogue between 2 boards. And by that time PCB lost 2/3 series.
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This saga only highlights any verbal assurances and signed letters coming from the BCCI cannot be relied upon. Hope the rest of the world takes note.
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Rest of the world is not concerned. They are carrying on their dealings with bcci just fine.
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Agreed. There's no constructive criticism from any side.
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I’m already feeling sorry for dragging myself into this mud. Arguing wouldn’t do any good anymore. Best leave the issue to both boards and get ourselves some life.
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When will they announce the verdict. Saw that the hearing ends October 3rd. Is it by the end of the week? at the least, there will be some closure.
Not sure if the PCB can turn around and sue the ICC. Given that they have already agreed that the ICC verdict will be final.
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Former BCCI president and current ICC chairman Shashank Manohar's "strong" deposition marked the end of the three-day Dispute Resolution Forum hearing into PCB's compensation claims against India," a Board official said Wednesday. It is learnt that the three-member committee has kept its orders reserved as there have only been oral submissions from both parties. "Now there will be written submissions and after that the panel will write the order," a senior BCCI official told PTI on the condition of anonymity.
The Pakistan Cricket Board claimed Rs 447 crore compensation following allegations that the BCCI didn't honour a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) that required India to play six bilateral series between 2015 to 2023.
"We are very happy how the cross examinations went. Today Manohar's deposition was very strong. He deposed as India's witness not as ICC chairman. Even all the other witnesses also put up a strong case," the official said.
Former external affairs minister Salman Khurshid was Tuesday cross-examined, during which he justified India's refusal to play bilateral cricket with Pakistan.
Khurshid, who was the external affairs minister during the UPA-II government which finished its term in 2014, was presented by the BCCI as one of its prime defence witnesses on the second day of the hearing that began Monday.
Manohar, himself a lawyer, was the BCCI president when erstwhile PCB chairman Shahryar Khan had visited India to meet him in order to convince the BCCI for a bilateral series at neutral venues.
"Manohar is very well versed how the e-mail signed by Sanjay Patel is not binding. He is well aware about contractual obligations in bipartite agreements," the official said.
https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/icc...shashank-manohar-deposes-on-final-day-1926353
The Pakistan Cricket Board claimed Rs 447 crore compensation following allegations that the BCCI didn't honour a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) that required India to play six bilateral series between 2015 to 2023.
"We are very happy how the cross examinations went. Today Manohar's deposition was very strong. He deposed as India's witness not as ICC chairman. Even all the other witnesses also put up a strong case," the official said.
Former external affairs minister Salman Khurshid was Tuesday cross-examined, during which he justified India's refusal to play bilateral cricket with Pakistan.
Khurshid, who was the external affairs minister during the UPA-II government which finished its term in 2014, was presented by the BCCI as one of its prime defence witnesses on the second day of the hearing that began Monday.
Manohar, himself a lawyer, was the BCCI president when erstwhile PCB chairman Shahryar Khan had visited India to meet him in order to convince the BCCI for a bilateral series at neutral venues.
"Manohar is very well versed how the e-mail signed by Sanjay Patel is not binding. He is well aware about contractual obligations in bipartite agreements," the official said.
https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/icc...shashank-manohar-deposes-on-final-day-1926353
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So BCCI will win the case because they fooled a hopeful PCB.
Hope PTI is taking note. PCB should not play against India everywhere, period.
Hope PTI is taking note. PCB should not play against India everywhere, period.
Why only $200M. Make it something like $500M. If we are ready to rob, why to stop at $200M only? Plus we should demand all the income generated by IPL for next 20 years should go to PCB as well. Only that way BCCI will learn the lesson.
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Dont think India is jumping through the hoops to play Pakistan.
If icc mstches are scheduled and Pakistan forfeits then India will get the points.
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So Pakistan should basically just give up and implode? No need for us here.
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Manohar as BCCI’s witness is very interesting. IMO his lack of support to BCCI after taking over as ICCChairman encouraged PCB to use legal route. PCB saw an opportunity and tried to use the schism between BCCI and Manohar.
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And what if PCB sues the ICC and loses that case as well? Will you ask the PCB to sue the tribunal that gave unfavorable verdict against PCB?
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Finally you are seeing the truth brother
. May Allah bless you with more wisdom. You are finally finding sanity.
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The amount is an estimation by the PCB regarding the number of series initially agreed by the BCCI in the MoU. PCB can't sue the BCCI for any series outside the MoU.
Some really desperate posts above by our Pak folks.
Calm down.
And accept it that verdict's not gonna be favorable.
Focus on building our cricket. Yes we have no money, but that's expected as we have no home cricket and economy is also going downhill.
Work on country's economy and make it safe to play cricket. That's the only way we succeed.
Not the first time teams have boycotted playing, not the last time, heck even Pak has done it in the past.
You don't get any money from it.
Calm down.
And accept it that verdict's not gonna be favorable.
Focus on building our cricket. Yes we have no money, but that's expected as we have no home cricket and economy is also going downhill.
Work on country's economy and make it safe to play cricket. That's the only way we succeed.
Not the first time teams have boycotted playing, not the last time, heck even Pak has done it in the past.
You don't get any money from it.
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The spate of source related news coming from India shows how much they care about the sanctity of this tribunal
There is absolute ban on any statements etc by the tribunal yet we see news being leaked
Thoroughly unprofessional from BCCI side and their people and seems to tell me that there is panic
There is absolute ban on any statements etc by the tribunal yet we see news being leaked
Thoroughly unprofessional from BCCI side and their people and seems to tell me that there is panic
Is this drama going to End today or the Judges will take another year to make a decision ?
Appears that this was just the verbal round. The written arguments have to be submitted within a week into which new arguments could be introduced based on the evidence presented over the last three days. This process can take weeks before a verdict is reached.
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