BCCI-PCB MoU issue : ICC appoint 3-member panel; 3-day hearing to be conducted in Dubai [Post#328]

[Savak]

ICC hearing: Salman Khurshid cross-examined, BCCI says testimony lends weight to its case

The hearing will decide whether BCCI is to pay the Rs 447 crore damages sought by the PCB for not honouring a so-called MoU to play six bilateral series between 2015 and 2023.


Former external affairs minister Salman Khurshid Tuesday justified India’s refusal to play bilateral cricket with Pakistan during the ICC’s Disputes Resolution Committee hearing into a compensation claim against the BCCI, a Board official said. The hearing, which began Monday, will decide whether BCCI is to pay the Rs 447 crore damages sought by the PCB for not honouring a so-called Memorandum of Understanding to play six bilateral series between 2015 and 2023. The BCCI has maintained that the MOU is not legally binding.

“Khurshid’s presence definitely took the PCB by surprise. They were not expecting a former MEA to come in for cross-examination. Also a legal expert. He gave UPA II’s stand on why India didn’t tour Pakistan post the Mumbai terror attacks in 2008,” the BCCI official told PTI, quoting from Khurshid’s statement in the court, on condition of anonymity.

Khurshid, who was the external affairs minister during the UPA-II government which finished its term in 2014, was presented by the BCCI as one of its prime defence witnesses on Tuesday. He, however, could not be reached for a comment on his statement at the hearing.

“During the cross-examination Khurshid told the ICC’s Dispute Resolution Forum that the erstwhile UPA government acted on various world intelligence agencies’ reports on threat perception of playing cricket in Pakistan. He explained why it was impossible to send Indian cricket team to Pakistan after terror attacks,” he said.

The official also claimed that Khurshid stuck to the oft-stated government stand that bilateral engagements with Pakistan cannot resume without an end to cross-border terrorism. “Khurshid also clearly said that time and again the Indian government had made it clear that unless cross-border terrorism stopped, it would be difficult to resume bilateral cricketing ties.”

The BCCI official also said Khurshid’s cross-examination happened first as he had other commitments. The others, who will be cross-examined during the hearing, are former IPL CEO Sundar Raman, former BCCI GM (Game development) Prof Ratnakar Shetty, current ICC chairman Shashank Manohar and former BCCI secretary Sanjay Patel.

“We are confident that we will win the case. PCB’s bone of contention is a one-page email which doesn’t count as MoU. It was an email sent by Patel as a part of quid pro quo deal with PCB. They didn’t support our revenue model and the deal to play six bilaterals fell through.”

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...s-testimony-lends-weight-to-its-case-5383455/

So the BCCI knowingly entered into a promise and agreement with PCB knowing full well they will not want to honor it or not be able to honor it.

This case will all depend on the quality of arguments presented by the legal team.

 

[Savak]

So no MOU signed? Just an email? I don't get it.

That document (which I suspect is a photocopy and not the original) is there for everyone to see. The BCCI signed an agreement, gave their word, press clippings and video records from 2014 during the Big 3 voting saga will prove they were out there begging for votes

 

[Savak]

Since the ICC is based in Dubai. The PCB should seek Dubai based legal actions to hold the ICC accountable for the BCCI inability to act honorably and justly.

 

[Bangalorean]

Its all about which lawyers will put forward convincing arguments. But the BCCI in this episode has only reinforced that any agreements signed with it cannot be trusted and any verbal assurances received from it cannot be relied upon either. Bottomline they lack integrity big time.

$ talks, whenever BCCI invites or offers bilateral series most boards will quee up to accommodate. Just pure business and economics

 

[Savak]

$ talks, whenever BCCI invites or offers bilateral series most boards will quee up to accommodate. Just pure business and economics

Agreed, but I like underdogs fighting to the very end. There is a rocky type ending possible where goliath beats david

 

[Savak]

A smart lawyer can easily pinpoint what happens to the GOVT of India's greviences on cross border terrorism when it comes to playing Pakistan ICC events?

 

[nuttyprof]

Countries boycott sporting events with other countries all the time.
South Africa was boycotted during the Apartheid time frame.
Most of the western world boycotted 1980 Olympics.
Not sure how India boycotting Pakistan is different.

 

[latecut]

The External Affairs Minister of India at that time has testified that The Government of India did not allow BCCI to play Pakistan in bilateral series. And all bilateral series between the two countries are subject to government approval.

So there goes the case, thrown out of the window.

 

[Savak]

The External Affairs Minister of India at that time has testified that The Government of India did not allow BCCI to play Pakistan in bilateral series. And all bilateral series between the two countries are subject to government approval.

So there goes the case, thrown out of the window.

Not necessarily, what happens to this approval when it comes to ICC events? Why did the BCCI agree to enter into that agreement and promise the tours to the PCB in exchange for the Big 3 votes knowing full well they were not able to hold their end of the bargain?

 

[latecut]

ICC events are not bilateral events and Government allowed BCCI to participate in them. Why is it so difficult to understand the difference between bilateral series and ICC tournaments ?

 

[daytrader]

The External Affairs Minister of India at that time has testified that The Government of India did not allow BCCI to play Pakistan in bilateral series. And all bilateral series between the two countries are subject to government approval.

So there goes the case, thrown out of the window.

Yet there was a bilateral series in 2012-2013. There goes his argument

 

[Bangalorean]

Agreed, but I like underdogs fighting to the very end. There is a rocky type ending possible where goliath beats david

PCB is not saint either, they too played same plotitics card in 90's and cancelled Ind Tour ..IIRC.

Just clash of egos from both sides, I'm afraid all this ends with creating much bigger rift between boards...

We fans may have to say goodbye to Indo-Pak bilateral series for very long long time !

Cricket will be biggest loser

 

[Itachi]

Yet there was a bilateral series in 2012-2013. There goes his argument

Sometimes, you have to use a little bit of common sense.

The MoU is dated when?

 

[Wonderwoman]

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No where does it assign responsibility nor does it assign damages in case of failure. Its a letter of intent. Even a School boy can wriggle themselves out of this. If this letter is all that PCB has .... LMAO

 

[Bhoot_Pret]

Well even if PCB wins the case how will they get the money. And even if they get the money also then they can say goodbye to Indo Pak cricket forever. The political tension is already not helping their cause and now this drama between the cricketing boards. This will be the last time they will get money from BCCI. How long this money will get them flourish. Again they will come out with their begging bowel and ask for money from other cricketing nation be it Bangladesh or Afghanistan as they have refused to play in Pakistan. Nazam Sethi has digged a graveyard for Pakistan Cricket and now he has got nothing to do with PCB.

 

[MenInG]

For the would-be or arm-chair lawyers and contract experts kindly keep your comments to the topic at hand

No need to get personal etc

 

[Usman Chadda]

For the would-be or arm-chair lawyers and contract experts kindly keep your comments to the topic at hand

No need to get personal etc

It’s hilarious reading all these arm-chair lawyers dismiss this case as a joke when:

1) ICC has set up a separate committee to look over the matter, with a reputable judge Beloff in charge.
2) BCCI and PCB have both hired reputable lawyers for the case.

If even a school boy can wriggle themselves out of this mess, why hasn’t the BCCI got [MENTION=146046]Wonderwoman[/MENTION] to fight this case for them I wonder. Why do they need to blow hundreds of dollars on a case not worth fighting, when they can get her non-existent expertise for free?

 

[latecut]

BCCI is blowing hundreds of dollars because they can. PCB is blowing it because of their ego. ICC is humoring them because it brings some excitement in their dull life.

 

[Usman Chadda]

BCCI is blowing hundreds of dollars because they can. PCB is blowing it because of their ego. ICC is humoring them because it brings some excitement in their dull life.

Be that as it may, but to say that even a school boy could have taken care of this is ignorant to say the least. You lot in this thread are being referred to as ARM-CHAIR lawyers for a reason.

 

[latecut]

You never know. Some people commenting here may actually be legal experts.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Safe to say after this legal tussle, irrespective of the results, BCCI and PCB will never have much dealings for next few years or so. Not that anything was happening in last few years, but this shuts out all future communications between the two boards.

 

[Swashbuckler]

BCCI should grow up and play against Pakistan, at least in neutral venues like UAE, SA, Eng etc. Fans want Indo-Pak matches, players want that, cricket deserves this great contest, why these crooked politicians and bureaucrats want to deprive us of entertainment is way beyond my understanding.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

No where does it assign responsibility nor does it assign damages in case of failure. Its a letter of intent. Even a School boy can wriggle themselves out of this. If this letter is all that PCB has .... LMAO

Yeah that's why its being decided at a tribunal with lawyers instead of at a school boy party with girls and boys playing ring a ring of roses.

 

[MenInG]

Safe to say after this legal tussle, irrespective of the results, BCCI and PCB will never have much dealings for next few years or so. Not that anything was happening in last few years, but this shuts out all future communications between the two boards.

Yep but nothing changes in that way

 

[Hitman]

BCCI should grow up and play against Pakistan, at least in neutral venues like UAE, SA, Eng etc. Fans want Indo-Pak matches, players want that, cricket deserves this great contest, why these crooked politicians and bureaucrats want to deprive us of entertainment is way beyond my understanding.

I want the same. But not in the UAE. If they don't want to play in India, then let the series happen somewhere else.

 

[latecut]

BCCI should grow up and play against Pakistan, at least in neutral venues like UAE, SA, Eng etc. Fans want Indo-Pak matches, players want that, cricket deserves this great contest, why these crooked politicians and bureaucrats want to deprive us of entertainment is way beyond my understanding.

BCCI is not obliged to provide you your kind of entertainment that you are seeking at the cost of Indian cricket as well as Indian self respect.

 

[MenInG]

BCCI is not obliged to provide you your kind of entertainment that you are seeking at the cost of Indian cricket as well as Indian self respect.

Not sure about this, I didnt read BCCI objecting to any revenue share from the very popular games in Asia Cup recently

 

[latecut]

You are deliberately omitting the word "bilateral". Asia Cup was not a bilateral series.

 

[Bangalorean]

Safe to say after this legal tussle, irrespective of the results, BCCI and PCB will never have much dealings for next few years or so. Not that anything was happening in last few years, but this shuts out all future communications between the two boards.

Win or Lose ... This will hamper PCB more in the long run.

PCB can say good bye to Indo-Pak bilateral series and any future income from BCCI (apart from whatever claim they have now)

 

[Pakhs]

Win or Lose ... This will hamper PCB more in the long run.

PCB can say good bye to Indo-Pak bilateral series and any future income from BCCI (apart from whatever claim they have now)

That's fine, People can live with that and there wont be any court cases. Thing is don't sign MOU if you don't intend to fulfill it. People here are saying Bilateral and ICC events are different they are but BBCI is claiming they don't get government approval to play Pakistan but they do because they meet in ICC tournaments. So the Indian government position is not consistent.

 

[MenInG]

Salman Khurshid, who was India’s first witness at the International Cricket Council’s Disputes Resolution Committee’s hearing in Dubai on Tuesday, feels the Board of Control for Cricket in India is very well prepared to thwart Pakistan Cricket Board’s USD 70 million claim for failing to play bilateral cricket, despite signing on an agreement. In 2014, BCCI and PCB signed off to play five bilateral series between 2015 and 2023.

Khurshid, India’s former External Affairs Minister, turned up as an “expert” witness and was cross-examined by PCB’s British lawyers. The hearing is being held under UK laws.

“At no time did I feel any pressure. The proceedings went off fine and the British lawyers made it quite smooth,” Khurshid said on phone from Dubai.

BCCI had two more witnesses on Day 2 of the hearing on Tuesday. Sanjay Patel, BCCI’s ex-secretary and the man who signed on the letter in April 2014, and the Board’s ex-GM Operations Ratnakar Shetty were also cross-examined.

ALSO READ: BCCI vs PCB: Khurshid India’s ‘trump card’ in ICC battle with Pakistan

For his political and legal experience, Khurshid is considered to be BCCI’s “trump card” among the five witnesses in the three-day hearing.

“Well, I did my bit. I gave my expert evidence to the ICC panel and explained how the Indian government reacts to situations where security of people are under threat. Fortunately, when I was minister we didn’t have to deal with such (crisis) issues but irrespective of governments, I could express how one would react to fulfilling obligations that’s beyond the control of cricket boards,” said Khurshid.

In June 2014, PCB had helped BCCI pass the controversial ‘Big Three’ model that gave India, Australia and England a lion’s share of ICC’s revenues. The letter signed between BCCI and PCB was an ‘understanding’ that Pakistan will make good its ‘loss’ of revenue (from TV rights) by hosting at least three lucrative bilateral series versus India.

The ‘Big Three’ model was the brainchild of former ICC chairman N Srinivasan. It was built on the premise that since India brought in maximum money to cricket, BCCI should get the highest share of returns. South Africa, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh had objected to the model but Pakistan, after initial fuss, fell in line.

The model never saw the light of day after Srinivasan was sacked in November 2015 after being removed from cricket activities by the Supreme Court in the wake of the 2013 IPL betting and spot-fixing scandal.

Khurshid said, there was no reason to speculate that BCCI will end up compensating PCB.

“They have a very good team of lawyers. I found (UK-based sports disputes specialist) Ian Mill particularly efficient and confident and BCCI is very well prepared.”

India will be missing former BCCI president Srinivasan in the witness box. Khurshid said “it must be a considered decision” by Srinivasan not to attend the hearing. Sundar Raman and Shashank Manohar, the current ICC chairman, will be India’s two witnesses on Wednesday.

https://m.hindustantimes.com/cricke...ys-khurshid/story-jfws8TG0FjLhTIH1WproSM.html

 

[Bhoot_Pret]

Then tell PCB to fight with Indian Government for its inconsistency. Don't blame BCCI as its the Indian Government that is making all the decisions regarding playing with Pakistan. Its a no brainer that BCCI can't do anything untill and unless it gets nod from Indian Government. PCB must sue INDIAN GOVERNMENT.

 

[Pakhs]

Then tell PCB to fight with Indian Government for its inconsistency. Don't blame BCCI as its the Indian Government that is making all the decisions regarding playing with Pakistan. Its a no brainer that BCCI can't do anything untill and unless it gets nod from Indian Government. PCB must sue INDIAN GOVERNMENT. ����

Thats not how it works by law, BCCI is only in court due to the MoU signed by them and not Indian Government. Its a no brainer if you sign a legally binding agreement you must fulfill it or incur fines for not fulfilling it. BCCI can counter sue Indian government to recover fines if they lost the case. Now what I said is simple no brainer law and we know that's not the case here as BCCI is the most powerful board and only signed the MOU because they thought they can use its muscle to get away with it which they might so lets see but dont blame PCB to at least try and recover whatever money they can.

 

[latecut]

MoU is not a legally binding document. A contract is ! End of story.

 

[Rana]

PCB is not saint either, they too played same plotitics card in 90's and cancelled Ind Tour ..IIRC.

Just clash of egos from both sides, I'm afraid all this ends with creating much bigger rift between boards...

We fans may have to say goodbye to Indo-Pak bilateral series for very long long time !

Cricket will be biggest loser

And who is to blame for that?

BCCI. You cant sugar coat it and defend it.

 

[Bhoot_Pret]

As expected India and Pakistan are meeting for the 3rd time in Dubai, albeit on another pitch. Salman Khurshid has made it clear that these obligations are beyond the control of cricket boards. And guess what he himself is a lawyer not an armchair expert. There goes the hopes of [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] and all who thought BCCI will compensate PCB. Its good to be supporter but not blind supporter. Thats why Sir [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] keeps bashing such ppl. Ppl need to be practical. I can understand this that Pak has been thrased twice by India in Asia Cup and they didnt even make to the finals. So the anger and frustration is still there among the fans . And now they want India to be defeated on any pitch be it even in the court to get some sort of revenge.

 

[Rana]

InshaAllah justice shall prevail. If not today then one day it will.

Huge respect for PCB to fight this case and do their best to take back what is rightfully theirs

 

[jadaja]

It is not a signed MOU, it is just a letter on intent. Secondly as I supected people both in PCB and in general are not worried about peace but more worried about money.

BCCI has played masterstroke in Khurshid, if govt denies permission BCCI's hands are tied.

 

[Rana]

As expected India and Pakistan are meeting for the 3rd time in Dubai, albeit on another pitch. Salman Khurshid has made it clear that these obligations are beyond the control of cricket boards. And guess what he himself is a lawyer not an armchair expert. There goes the hopes of [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] and all who thought BCCI will compensate PCB. Its good to be supporter but not blind supporter. Thats why Sir [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] keeps bashing such ppl. Ppl need to be practical. I can understand this that Pak has been thrased twice by India in Asia Cup and they didnt even make to the finals. So the anger and frustration is still there among the fans . And now they want India to be defeated on any pitch be it even in the court to get some sort of revenge.

I am not a blind supporter, I am not going to benefit from the compensation that PCB shall receive if they win either. I am just advocating for justice and equality which the BCCI is clearly lacking in its approach to the issue.

Salman Khurshid being there means what? He will only clarify what we already know, "We cant play without government approval". But Im sure that the ICC knows its a load of **** when India have to play Pakistan in the ICC tournaments. Government approval/disapproval should count there as well. Why did India not hold their moral high ground when Pakistan fought their way into the 2011 semi final in Mohali? Because it didnt suit them to boycott that game at a time when such tensions were at its peak. These are the questions Mr Khurshid needs to answer and not tell us what we already know

 

[Rana]

It is not a signed MOU, it is just a letter on intent. Secondly as I supected people both in PCB and in general are not worried about peace but more worried about money.

BCCI has played masterstroke in Khurshid, if govt denies permission BCCI's hands are tied.

Well then they need to get their money back from the Indian Government.

This will only set a precedent where teams who do not wish to face a certain country will use 'Government card' to do it.

 

[latecut]

What is this about cricket being a loser ? England is not playing bilateral matches with Zimbabwe for two decades and more and no one has missed it. Likewise no one will miss India vs Pakistan cricket, except perhaps those who get to fish over troubled waters, whenever these two teams get to play.

 

[jadaja]

^^^^ Playing a one off Semi finals and playing full bilateral series are not the same. Khursid has already won the case for BCCI.

 

[Rana]

What is this about cricket being a loser ? England is not playing bilateral matches with Zimbabwe for two decades and more and no one has missed it. Likewise no one will miss India vs Pakistan cricket, except perhaps those who get to fish over troubled waters, whenever these two teams get to play.

India v Pakistan is the El Classico of the ICC in their tournaments. They dont have a ballot system in which groups are decided so they can get that Draw in one way or another.

ICC events will become boring without the possibility of these two teams clashing. So cricket is the loser here. Enjoy Australia v India. India v England and England v Australia all the time

 

[Pakhs]

As expected India and Pakistan are meeting for the 3rd time in Dubai, albeit on another pitch. Salman Khurshid has made it clear that these obligations are beyond the control of cricket boards. And guess what he himself is a lawyer not an armchair expert. There goes the hopes of [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] and all who thought BCCI will compensate PCB. Its good to be supporter but not blind supporter. Thats why Sir [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] keeps bashing such ppl. Ppl need to be practical. I can understand this that Pak has been thrased twice by India in Asia Cup and they didnt even make to the finals. So the anger and frustration is still there among the fans . And now they want India to be defeated on any pitch be it even in the court to get some sort of revenge.

What losing to India got to do with this court case? The money that PCB will get will make zero difference to any of the cricket fan or players in Pakistan. But still if you sign MoU fulfill it or pay at least the fine.

 

[Pakhs]

MoU is not a legally binding document. A contract is ! End of story.

That is what we will find out at the end of the case. So no its not end of story yet.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

I just wonder why the MOU was signed in the first place. If the BCCI knew that they would need a government approval for playing the bilateral series, then how could they even think about signing an MOU? Secondly, if they did, knowing that the government would reject such a request from the BCCI then is this the case bad faith and malicious intent on BCCI’s part?

 

[Rana]

^^^^ Playing a one off Semi finals and playing full bilateral series are not the same. Khursid has already won the case for BCCI.

I repeat, what is Khurshid going to tell us that we allready dont know? For indians everything is convenient as long as it fits their interpretation of things...

"One off semi final is not the same as a bilateral series". ICC events are not the same as a series...like why dont you guys just make a school of law known as the INDIAN LAW and hope that becomes the legal body in all courts

 

[jadaja]

Well then they need to get their money back from the Indian Government.

This will only set a precedent where teams who do not wish to face a certain country will use 'Government card' to do it.

Are you serious, Didn't Australia postpone Bangladesh series at last moment.

"Australia have called off their tour of Bangladesh due to concerns over player safety after a security threat.

The tour, which would have included two Tests, was due to begin with a warm-up match in Fatullah on Saturday.

However, the squad's planned departure on Monday was postponed after the Australian government updated its travel advice for the region."

They played this series after two years in 2017.

BCCI is a body which has to follow govt decisions. So all this mumbo jumbo PCB is pulling will end up in big zero.

 

[Rana]

I just wonder why the MOU was signed in the first place. If the BCCI knew that they would need a government approval for playing the bilateral series, then how could they even think about signing an MOU? Secondly, if they did, knowing that the government would reject such a request from the BCCI then is this the case bad faith and malicious intent on BCCI’s part?

Exactly, they are clearly being exposed here as untrustworthy

 

[Rana]

Are you serious, Didn't Australia postpone Bangladesh series at last moment.

"Australia have called off their tour of Bangladesh due to concerns over player safety after a security threat.

The tour, which would have included two Tests, was due to begin with a warm-up match in Fatullah on Saturday.

However, the squad's planned departure on Monday was postponed after the Australian government updated its travel advice for the region."

They played this series after two years in 2017.

BCCI is a body which has to follow govt decisions. So all this mumbo jumbo PCB is pulling will end up in big zero.

This has been answered before as well. Bangladesh could have provided an alternative venue and Australia then really had no grounds to stand on. PCB plays all its games in the UAE and it has hosted all the teams of the world on this ground with ease

 

[Pakhs]

Are you serious, Didn't Australia postpone Bangladesh series at last moment.

"Australia have called off their tour of Bangladesh due to concerns over player safety after a security threat.

The tour, which would have included two Tests, was due to begin with a warm-up match in Fatullah on Saturday.

However, the squad's planned departure on Monday was postponed after the Australian government updated its travel advice for the region."

They played this series after two years in 2017.

BCCI is a body which has to follow govt decisions. So all this mumbo jumbo PCB is pulling will end up in big zero.

Yes but BCCI didn't say there are security concerns for Indian team in Dubai. Anyway this case is about a MoU and not fulfilling it otherwise Pak-India have not been playing each other for long time nobody went to court for that.

 

[jadaja]

It is not MOU, it is just letter of intent, even if it was MOU .BCCI has no obligation to fulfill it if Indian Govt does not give green signal.

 

[Bangalorean]

And who is to blame for that?

BCCI. You cant sugar coat it and defend it.

BCCI is evil so is PCB that was my point.

 

[Rana]

It is not MOU, it is just letter of intent, even if it was MOU .BCCI has no obligation to fulfill it if Indian Govt does not give green signal.

Funny how the original Indian argument was...'this is not a contract, it is an MOU and thousands of meaningless MOUs are signed in the world of business on a daily basis'

Now the argument has evolved into...'This is not an MOU, it is a letter of intent."

Make your mind up guys!

 

[daytrader]

Sometimes, you have to use a little bit of common sense.

The MoU is dated when?

Yes by all means please go ahead and use common sense. Khurshid's argument is that since Mumbai terrorist incident, which was as you know in 2008, GOI does not want bilateral series with Pakistan. Yet he was in office when the 2012-2013 series took place. So the question is, why was there an exception then or was this policy formulated after signing MOU?

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

It is not MOU, it is just letter of intent, even if it was MOU .BCCI has no obligation to fulfill it if Indian Govt does not give green signal.

Didn’t they already knew that the GOI would reject any such proposal, even before signing the “letter of intent”?

 

[jadaja]

Yes but BCCI didn't say there are security concerns for Indian team in Dubai. Anyway this case is about a MoU and not fulfilling it otherwise Pak-India have not been playing each other for long time nobody went to court for that.

It is not just security issue, it is getting the permission from Got. BCCI can sign any MOU it wants with any other board but if Govt of India does not want to do it then they cannot do it.

This gentleman has been a minister too, so there is no better person for PCB to get all its answers.

 

[jadaja]

Didn’t they already knew that the GOI would reject any such proposal, even before signing the “letter of intent”?

You don't need persmission from govt to sign letter of intent, once letter of intent is signed , MOU is created and that MOU goes to Govt for final stamp.

Govt has authority to override even MOU and cancel any tour without any notice and BCCI has no power to say no.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am not a blind supporter, I am not going to benefit from the compensation that PCB shall receive if they win either. I am just advocating for justice and equality which the BCCI is clearly lacking in its approach to the issue.

Salman Khurshid being there means what? He will only clarify what we already know, "We cant play without government approval". But Im sure that the ICC knows its a load of **** when India have to play Pakistan in the ICC tournaments. Government approval/disapproval should count there as well. Why did India not hold their moral high ground when Pakistan fought their way into the 2011 semi final in Mohali? Because it didnt suit them to boycott that game at a time when such tensions were at its peak. These are the questions Mr Khurshid needs to answer and not tell us what we already know

The govt gave permission to play those matches. Thats govt policy decision. Why a sovereign govt has taken a policy decision, the icc or no non indian court has the authority to ask that question. But bcci has to follow that policy under Indian law. That was explained by Mr Khurshid.

 

[latecut]

It is not just security issue, it is getting the permission from Got. BCCI can sign any MOU it wants with any other board but if Govt of India does not want to do it then they cannot do it.

This gentleman has been a minister too, so there is no better person for PCB to get all its answers.

He is a lawyer as well, so he knows about law far more than the armchair supporters of PCB here.

 

[Pakhs]

It is not just security issue, it is getting the permission from Got. BCCI can sign any MOU it wants with any other board but if Govt of India does not want to do it then they cannot do it.

This gentleman has been a minister too, so there is no better person for PCB to get all its answers.

I understand that, they for sure cant play Pakistan if government doesn't want. But my point is if PCB has a document for which they can claim compensation then they should and nobody should blame them for that. And the fact this matter has gone to court means there was at least some grounds to take BCCI to court.

 

[jadaja]

Funny how the original Indian argument was...'this is not a contract, it is an MOU and thousands of meaningless MOUs are signed in the world of business on a daily basis'

Now the argument has evolved into...'This is not an MOU, it is a letter of intent."

Make your mind up guys!

There is no need to make up anything, PCB's case is just one Letter of intent and that has no merit at all.

I would be shocked if PCB gets anything.

 

[Rana]

It is not just security issue, it is getting the permission from Got. BCCI can sign any MOU it wants with any other board but if Govt of India does not want to do it then they cannot do it.

This gentleman has been a minister too, so there is no better person for PCB to get all its answers.

So the PCB had to drag BCCI into court for a gentleman to come and give them all the answers they want....what are you not understanding here,,,,PCB Already knows all of this and what Khurshid says will not be new to them. What you must also remember is that PCB have not hired an amateur law firm to handle their case, these cats would already anticipate every move the BCCI will play and will be ready to counter it with a solid case.

 

[Bhoot_Pret]

[MENTION=138492]latecut[/MENTION] bro and @jadja bro have summed it up all. Ppl will argue even after the verdict if it doesnt go as per their thinking. Anyway whoever wins the case the end result will be that any Indo Pak series will not happen for a long time coz BCCI is not gonna take it lightly that it was dragged to court even after it wins the case. Nazam Sethi knew that he wont be holding the PCB chairman post for long so he did all this and in doing all this he filled his own pockets. Sethi sahab jatey jatey PCB ka bedagark kar gaye. Sethi to chale gaye oye Beda to gark kar gaye oye hoye.

 

[Rana]

There is no need to make up anything, PCB's case is just one Letter of intent and that has no merit at all.

I would be shocked if PCB gets anything.

Lol ok "Mr Khursheed has won the case for BCCI"

 

[jadaja]

I understand that, they for sure cant play Pakistan if government doesn't want. But my point is if PCB has a document for which they can claim compensation then they should and nobody should blame them for that. And the fact this matter has gone to court means there was at least some grounds to take BCCI to court.

BCCI's counter point will be we are helpless if govt denies us permission and there is no sane judge in world who will counter it.

 

[Pakhs]

He is a lawyer as well, so he knows about law far more than the armchair supporters of PCB here.

Well the case is in court, which means there were valid grounds to take the BCCI to court so your argument that there is no case is only in your head.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Didn’t they already knew that the GOI would reject any such proposal, even before signing the “letter of intent”?

Trump govt overruled an agreement of sale where a chinese company was buying a american one. That was a multi billion dollar contract.

Indian govt also has done similar things.

Govt has power to override any MoUs or even contracts. That happens.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well the case is in court, which means there were valid grounds to take the BCCI to court so your argument that there is no case is only in your head.

This is not a court.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

You don't need persmission from govt to sign letter of intent, once letter of intent is signed , MOU is created and that MOU goes to Govt for final stamp.

Govt has authority to override even MOU and cancel any tour without any notice and BCCI has no power to say no.

Were they really that naive to not know that their “intent” means **** to the GOI? This only makes them more and more incompetent in the politest way possible.

 

[Rana]

[MENTION=138492]latecut[/MENTION] bro and @jadja bro have summed it up all. Ppl will argue even after the verdict if it doesnt go as per their thinking. Anyway whoever wins the case the end result will be that any Indo Pak series will not happen for a long time coz BCCI is not gonna take it lightly that it was dragged to court even after it wins the case. Nazam Sethi knew that he wont be holding the PCB chairman post for long so he did all this and in doing all this he filled his own pockets. Sethi sahab jatey jatey PCB ka bedagark kar gaye. Sethi to chale gaye oye Beda to gark kar gaye oye hoye.

The arrogance of the Indian fans as if BCCI is a mafia that would manhunt PCB now.

I dont like PCB and the way they run their affairs, but massive respect for them to drag BCCI into court for their misleading acts and deceit!

 

[Pakhs]

BCCI's counter point will be we are helpless if govt denies us permission and there is no sane judge in world who will counter it.

Well its in the court, so we will see the result. But why do you blame PCB for going to court? is that not what one suppose to do?

 

[jadaja]

So the PCB had to drag BCCI into court for a gentleman to come and give them all the answers they want....what are you not understanding here,,,,PCB Already knows all of this and what Khurshid says will not be new to them. What you must also remember is that PCB have not hired an amateur law firm to handle their case, these cats would already anticipate every move the BCCI will play and will be ready to counter it with a solid case.

BCCI has hired bunch of newbies??? They have no clue what PCB will argue will be stunned by PCB's great team of lawyers right.

 

[Pakhs]

This is not a court.

The ICC's Dispute Resolutions Committee is equivalent to a small court and has similar value in terms of law. You can look up the qualification and credibility of the panel judges.

 

[latecut]

It is a dispute resolution committee who are doing arbitration. It is not quite a court. People who are in the committee need not be judges and they are rarely judges.

I am no judge but even I have been an arbitrator.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Trump govt overruled an agreement of sale where a chinese company was buying a american one. That was a multi billion dollar contract.

Indian govt also has done similar things.

Govt has power to override any MoUs or even contracts. That happens.

I can only laugh at this line of argument. Governments override MOUs and contracts signed by the previous administrations. They don’t do that when it happens under their own administration. It sends a message to the world at large that the word of the current administration don’t mean ****. That I can understand. The fact of the matter is that this override sends two messages. One, that the current BCCI and GOI administrations are incompetent. Two, they tried to pull off a con job which is now turning into a nuisance.

 

[Rana]

Well its in the court, so we will see the result. But why do you blame PCB for going to court? is that not what one suppose to do?

According to them no.

PCB should have just bent over and let BCCI do what they want and one day resolve the matter 'amicably'.

 

[Rana]

BCCI has hired bunch of newbies??? They have no clue what PCB will argue will be stunned by PCB's great team of lawyers right.

They have hired good lawyers as well but their is only so much you can do when your defence depends on lies and contradictions

 

[jadaja]

Well its in the court, so we will see the result. But why do you blame PCB for going to court? is that not what one suppose to do?

I would have supported PCB whole heartedly if its intent was to promote harmony between two nations and bring them closer, what transpired after 2008 has left lot of broken hearts.

PCB come across as arrogant bunch who think they have right to do what want to get things , case in point its dealing with BCB.

 

[jadaja]

They have hired good lawyers as well but their is only so much you can do when your defence depends on lies and contradictions

Lies really says who???