BCCI requests clarity on India-Pakistan cricket series from Union government

[cricketjoshila]

The question is not whether the government can refuse their team to play Pakistan. It is whether the PCB are able to sue the BCCI for damages and what their chances are.

Whether the Bcci was in breach of contract or whether it was beyond its control.

Assuming that a contract existed.

 

[cricketjoshila]

When you say the law, which courts are you referring to? India, Pakistan, UAE (if the ICC is still there) or a world court. Which court has jurisdiction?

Of course all this discussion is moot. We just have to wait another 4 months for the actual hearing. Everything will be done and dusted. This thing has just dragged on and on for too long.

This issue may not end in the ICC DRC.

 

[USofA]

This issue may not end in the ICC DRC.

My understanding was that the ruling would be final, without appeal.

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] At the very least Pakistan should get a forfeit series win for these refused tours and ranking points if BCCI doesnt want to go into their pockets.

Does ICC has a rule saying each country has to play all the other countries? NO.

Bilateral tours are not fixed by ICC so they have no say regarding who plays whom and when. These are decided by boards.

If there is no scheduled series the question of points or compensation doesnot arise.

ICC is not going to do all this for the sake of one country. They are not going to put themselves in a dispute where even superpowers dont go.

 

[cricketjoshila]

My understanding was that the ruling would be final, without appeal.

If either party approaches a court, who will stop them?

 

[IMMY69]

Whether the Bcci was in breach of contract or whether it was beyond its control.

Assuming that a contract existed.

Same principals apply in trying to ascertain whether there was a contract or not.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That shows how incompetent the other boards are that a global organisation is dependent on one particular country to get revenues. Its duty of other boards to shore up revenues for the ICC.

Then what is the point of having ICC? India can withdraw from international competition with other countries and keep all their revenue for themselves, let the other countries put down their begging bowls and organise revenue among those countries remaining.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Then what is the point of having ICC? India can withdraw from international competition with other countries and keep all their revenue for themselves, let the other countries put down their begging bowls and organise revenue among those countries remaining.

India reciprocates the bilateral tours of other countries by visiting them. No otger country seems to have a issue except Pakistan.

If other countries want India to leave, well they can say that.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

India reciprocates the bilateral tours of other countries by visiting them. No otger country seems to have a issue except Pakistan.

If other countries want India to leave, well they can say that.

You described the ICC as holding out the begging bowl for Indian money, so since you think of other boards so poorly, why doesn't India withdraw from playing these sponging countries and keep all the revenue for themselves? Can you answer that question please. I didn't mention Pakistan so no need to go there.

 

[USofA]

You described the ICC as holding out the begging bowl for Indian money, so since you think of other boards so poorly, why doesn't India withdraw from playing these sponging countries and keep all the revenue for themselves? Can you answer that question please. I didn't mention Pakistan so no need to go there.

I believe they already do this with the IPL to the tune of $2.6+ Billion. They will not withdraw from the ICC as this is another revenue source that they are tapping into. Which is smart on the BCCI's part.

Whatever change that has/needs to happen has to come from the other side (ICC, other boards). The BCCI is having its way and raking in money at the same time. Why would they want things to change.

 

[munirnadeem]

Why cannot ICC create a event under it own banner to help revitalize cricket between the nations. Like a tri nation series hosted in dubai in lue of this bilateral series. The profits for this can be changed to assist Pakistan for its loss.

Indian government has no issue with ICC events.

 

[USofA]

Why cannot ICC create a event under it own banner to help revitalize cricket between the nations. Like a tri nation series hosted in dubai in lue of this bilateral series. The profits for this can be changed to assist Pakistan for its loss.

Indian government has no issue with ICC events.

Interesting suggestion. But if the ICC does it for the PCB why not the other boards in need of $$. There other boards that are in worse shape than the PCB.

Does the ICC now organize an event to help WI, SL, Zim, heck even SA financially? Does the BCCI have to be the other team in all these instances?

 

[Savak]

In fact in addition to the $70 million, the PCB should demand an additional $50 million from the BCCI because of the blatant racism with which they have excluded Pakistani players from the IPL in the last 10 years and many of these players were deserved T-20 selections and were at their peak i.e. Afridi, Razzaq, Ajmal, Gul, Hafeez e.t.c and a few others. A conservative estimate of $500,000 per player per year.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You described the ICC as holding out the begging bowl for Indian money, so since you think of other boards so poorly, why doesn't India withdraw from playing these sponging countries and keep all the revenue for themselves? Can you answer that question please. I didn't mention Pakistan so no need to go there.

India already keeps all the revenue from IPL and tours to India.

No other board has any problems with India.

The begging bowl comnent was in relation to ICC cutting Indias share of revenue.

 

[cricketjoshila]

In fact in addition to the $70 million, the PCB should demand an additional $50 million from the BCCI because of the blatant racism with which they have excluded Pakistani players from the IPL in the last 10 years and many of these players were deserved T-20 selections and were at their peak i.e. Afridi, Razzaq, Ajmal, Gul, Hafeez e.t.c and a few others. A conservative estimate of $500,000 per player per year.

Another 50mn for the current players?

And a 10mn for causing Najam Sethi and co. distress.

Anythinh else?

 

[HARKS]

In fact in addition to the $70 million, the PCB should demand an additional $50 million from the BCCI because of the blatant racism with which they have excluded Pakistani players from the IPL in the last 10 years and many of these players were deserved T-20 selections and were at their peak i.e. Afridi, Razzaq, Ajmal, Gul, Hafeez e.t.c and a few others. A conservative estimate of $500,000 per player per year.

Woh, ur analogy is akin to begging is my birth right and every body who have money must put in my begging bowl

 

[Savak]

Woh, ur analogy is akin to begging is my birth right and every body who have money must put in my begging bowl

Not begging but more correcting a wrong committed against Pakistani players and against Pakistan Cricket.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I believe they already do this with the IPL to the tune of $2.6+ Billion. They will not withdraw from the ICC as this is another revenue source that they are tapping into. Which is smart on the BCCI's part.

Whatever change that has/needs to happen has to come from the other side (ICC, other boards). The BCCI is having its way and raking in money at the same time. Why would they want things to change.

India already keeps all the revenue from IPL and tours to India.

No other board has any problems with India.

The begging bowl comnent was in relation to ICC cutting Indias share of revenue.

Like I said, if India is creating revenues all by itself, why doesn't it withdraw from all ICC tours and tournaments and therefore can ignore ICC begging bowls and keep all their revenues for themselves? What do they need other countries for? Other countries need them right, that is why they chase India with begging bowls.

Please be logical and agree that India should then be able to play cricket alone and be self sufficient and not require any contest with these countries from begging bowl ICC.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Like I said, if India is creating revenues all by itself, why doesn't it withdraw from all ICC tours and tournaments and therefore can ignore ICC begging bowls and keep all their revenues for themselves? What do they need other countries for? Other countries need them right, that is why they chase India with begging bowls.

Please be logical and agree that India should then be able to play cricket alone and be self sufficient and not require any contest with these countries from begging bowl ICC.

If ICC doesnot pay India its share of revenue it would be legitimate under the present MPA for India to withdraw from ICC tournaments.

Tours are not fixed by ICC but by biards among themselves.

 

[munirnadeem]

Interesting suggestion. But if the ICC does it for the PCB why not the other boards in need of $$. There other boards that are in worse shape than the PCB.

Does the ICC now organize an event to help WI, SL, Zim, heck even SA financially? Does the BCCI have to be the other team in all these instances?

BCCI and GOI do not have an issue with an other nation other then Pakistan. This would be to assist in dispute resolution, versus relieveing financially crunched boards because they cannot organize profitable series.

Also BCCI do not have a mou at least principal with other boards.

 

[munirnadeem]

BCCI and GOI do not have an issue with an other nation other then Pakistan. This would be to assist in dispute resolution, versus relieveing financially crunched boards because they cannot organize profitable series.

Also BCCI do not have a mou at least principal with other boards.

Forgot to add BCCI does not have any other MOU outstanding relating to the big 3 revenue program.

ICC does not arrange bilateral series and neither do they have to for not profitable boards but they do have to assist in dispute resolutions. Sometime it would require them to go beyond their call of duty to ensure both boards settle differences correctly.

 

[humzy]

In fact in addition to the $70 million, the PCB should demand an additional $50 million from the BCCI because of the blatant racism with which they have excluded Pakistani players from the IPL in the last 10 years and many of these players were deserved T-20 selections and were at their peak i.e. Afridi, Razzaq, Ajmal, Gul, Hafeez e.t.c and a few others. A conservative estimate of $500,000 per player per year.

I dont agree with this. A private Corp has the right to refuse anyone it wants . You can argue it and strike against it but enforcing it as law is a no go zone.

However if you sign a contract and are in breach of said contract then there is a case to be made legally.

 

[USofA]

BCCI and GOI do not have an issue with an other nation other then Pakistan. This would be to assist in dispute resolution, versus relieveing financially crunched boards because they cannot organize profitable series.

Also BCCI do not have a mou at least principal with other boards.

Forgot to add BCCI does not have any other MOU outstanding relating to the big 3 revenue program.

ICC does not arrange bilateral series and neither do they have to for not profitable boards but they do have to assist in dispute resolutions. Sometime it would require them to go beyond their call of duty to ensure both boards settle differences correctly.

They are resolving this dispute. We just have to wait till October for the ruling.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If ICC doesnot pay India its share of revenue it would be legitimate under the present MPA for India to withdraw from ICC tournaments.

Tours are not fixed by ICC but by biards among themselves.

But India won't withdraw from ICC tournaments, specifically the world cups in various formats, because India without those tournaments would be sidelined. India needs other countries and thus the ICC, so your comment that the ICC is holding out a begging bowl to India was incorrect and in extremely poor taste. You should acknowledge this rather than running round in circles trying to justify it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But India won't withdraw from ICC tournaments, specifically the world cups in various formats, because India without those tournaments would be sidelined. India needs other countries and thus the ICC, so your comment that the ICC is holding out a begging bowl to India was incorrect and in extremely poor taste. You should acknowledge this rather than running round in circles trying to justify it.

Why will India wont withdraw from ICC 8f they dont get their share?

Who will sideline India?You?

No country board is going to boycott India because they can still earn millions when India tour them. So those tours will continue.

Without India ICC's funds cannot support the members, so how will ICC run?

You really think govts. of various countries will allow a boycott of India by their team and create a political issue.

All this for PCB?LoL.

 

[USofA]

But India won't withdraw from ICC tournaments, specifically the world cups in various formats, because India without those tournaments would be sidelined. India needs other countries and thus the ICC, so your comment that the ICC is holding out a begging bowl to India was incorrect and in extremely poor taste. You should acknowledge this rather than running round in circles trying to justify it.

Why would the BCCI withdraw from ICC tournaments. This is a good revenue stream that they are tapping into. Add to this the bilateral series which is another revenue stream. Both these avenues bring them good money and on top of that, they able to dictate terms. So the BCCI will not withdraw. Which is smart on their part.

Of course they also have the IPL, a third revenue source, which is all internal within the BCCI. Revenues which make their ICC money look like a rounding error.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why would the BCCI withdraw from ICC tournaments. This is a good revenue stream that they are tapping into. Add to this the bilateral series which is another revenue stream. Both these avenues bring them good money and on top of that, they able to dictate terms. So the BCCI will not withdraw. Which is smart on their part.

Of course they also have the IPL, a third revenue source, which is all internal within the BCCI. Revenues which make their ICC money look like a rounding error.

So you agree that India needs the ICC tournaments as they provide" a good revenue stream". This makes a mockery of the comment that ICC is holding out a begging bowl to BCCI, which has been my point in this drawn out discussion. India needs other countries so to make such high handed comments was pathetic, perhaps you should acknowledge it instead of twisting this way or that to get round it.

 

[USofA]

So you agree that India needs the ICC tournaments as they provide" a good revenue stream". This makes a mockery of the comment that ICC is holding out a begging bowl to BCCI, which has been my point in this drawn out discussion. India needs other countries so to make such high handed comments was pathetic, perhaps you should acknowledge it instead of twisting this way or that to get round it.

This may or may not be the case. I will leave it to the poster who made the comments. My point was related to why the BCCI would withdraw from ICC tournaments at all.

 

[ArsenalFC]

Bottom line is India either plays Pakistan in all formats and tournaments albeit in a neutral venue or refuses to play Pakistan and in the process forfeits all the upcoming test championship matches and ICC tournament contests between these two.

This policy of we will only play you when it matters to us (for e.g. ICC tournaments) is selfish and is very indecent way of conducting your affairs with another cricket side.

 

[USofA]

Bottom line is India either plays Pakistan in all formats and tournaments albeit in a neutral venue or refuses to play Pakistan and in the process forfeits all the upcoming test championship matches and ICC tournament contests between these two.

This policy of we will only play you when it matters to us (for e.g. ICC tournaments) is selfish and is very indecent way of conducting your affairs with another cricket side.

I don't think there are any matches scheduled between the two in the new test championship. In fact as per ICC/test championship rules I don't think they have to play at all to progress.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bottom line is India either plays Pakistan in all formats and tournaments albeit in a neutral venue or refuses to play Pakistan and in the process forfeits all the upcoming test championship matches and ICC tournament contests between these two.

This policy of we will only play you when it matters to us (for e.g. ICC tournaments) is selfish and is very indecent way of conducting your affairs with another cricket side.

India is not scheduled to play any matches with Pakistan in the Test championships.

India will play Pakistan in ICC tournaments. Pakistan can choose to skip though.

 

[zn426]

India is not scheduled to play any matches with Pakistan in the Test championships.

India will play Pakistan in ICC tournaments. Pakistan can choose to skip though.

Perhaps India can skip instead. They're the ones who seem to enjoy dodging around the subject of matches. I mean, surely since India is the great and mighty revenue generator and protector of world cricket, they do not need Pakistan matches at all.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Perhaps India can skip instead. They're the ones who seem to enjoy dodging around the subject of matches. I mean, surely since India is the great and mighty revenue generator and protector of world cricket, they do not need Pakistan matches at all.

India do not need Pakistan matches thats why there are no bilateral series.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Bottom line is India either plays Pakistan in all formats and tournaments albeit in a neutral venue or refuses to play Pakistan and in the process forfeits all the upcoming test championship matches and ICC tournament contests between these two.

This policy of we will only play you when it matters to us (for e.g. ICC tournaments) is selfish and is very indecent way of conducting your affairs with another cricket side.

You will note that in their replies to your posts, the staunch Indian nationalists have totally ducked the issue of selfishness and becoming conduct, but what can you expect from posters who described the ICC as holding a begging bowl to India.

 

[IMMY69]

You will note that in their replies to your posts, the staunch Indian nationalists have totally ducked the issue of selfishness and becoming conduct, but what can you expect from posters who described the ICC as holding a begging bowl to India.

yes "India do not need Pakistan matches"...................

 

[Slim]

I believe they already do this with the IPL to the tune of $2.6+ Billion. They will not withdraw from the ICC as this is another revenue source that they are tapping into. Which is smart on the BCCI's part.

Whatever change that has/needs to happen has to come from the other side (ICC, other boards). The BCCI is having its way and raking in money at the same time. Why would they want things to change.

Isnt BCCIs IPL reliant on international players who require NOC from their poor boards? Hmm. And isnt IPL itself reliant on ICC recognizing it? Hmm. So rich yet reliant on these poor boards in both the international and domestic arena. Sad. [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION]

 

[cricketjoshila]

You will note that in their replies to your posts, the staunch Indian nationalists have totally ducked the issue of selfishness and becoming conduct, but what can you expect from posters who described the ICC as holding a begging bowl to India.

Selfishness? Rather its pragmatic that you do not let Pakistan get away with two free points.

You do not drag other countries into a bilateral dispute.

 

[cricketjoshila]

yes "India do not need Pakistan matches"...................

How do these ICC matches help India?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Isnt BCCIs IPL reliant on international players who require NOC from their poor boards? Hmm. And isnt IPL itself reliant on ICC recognizing it? Hmm. So rich yet reliant on these poor boards in both the international and domestic arena. Sad. [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION]

IPL is a domestic tournament and played under BCCI and not ICC.

Boards get money to send their players to IPL. ECB made 1mn this year.

Also if boards stop sending players they will be looking at a WI like situation.

 

[Slim]

IPL is a domestic tournament and played under BCCI and not ICC.

Boards get money to send their players to IPL. ECB made 1mn this year.

Also if boards stop sending players they will be looking at a WI like situation.

A domestic tournament with international players requires recognition from the international body. That is why the ICL failed.

If all or just 2-3 of these poor major boards make a conscious decision to boycott IPL, it will fall straight on BCCI's face. Imagine the losses then and from the looks of it your pocket as well as you seem to be bragging about BCCI's money like it was your own all the time.

 

[cricketjoshila]

A domestic tournament with international players requires recognition from the international body. That is why the ICL failed.

If all or just 2-3 of these poor major boards make a conscious decision to boycott IPL, it will fall straight on BCCI's face. Imagine the losses then and from the looks of it your pocket as well as you seem to be bragging about BCCI's money like it was your own all the time.

Domestic tournaments need approval of the country board and not ICC.

Pakistan tried to arm twist BCCI by not sending players to IPL. We know the result.

Why will these boards boycott IPL?For what purpose? They make money out of it.There is no reason for them to do so.

The ICC was shivering at the thought of Lalit Modi trying to make a renegade board, think what can BCCI with its financial backing do.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

How do these ICC matches help India?

Withdraw from them then.

 

[Slim]

Domestic tournaments need approval of the country board and not ICC.

Pakistan tried to arm twist BCCI by not sending players to IPL. We know the result.

Why will these boards boycott IPL?For what purpose? They make money out of it.There is no reason for them to do so.

The ICC was shivering at the thought of Lalit Modi trying to make a renegade board, think what can BCCI with its financial backing do.

False.

Any domestic tournament that has international players need recognition from ICC. Reference: https://www.dawn.com/news/321742

Also, if ICC truly wants to own BCCI, they can take off their IPL recognition for a year or two, collude with English and Australian board and you guys are done and dusted.

However, i doubt anyone in ICC has the balls or the vision to take such a bold step.

 

[USofA]

False.

Any domestic tournament that has international players need recognition from ICC. Reference: https://www.dawn.com/news/321742

Also, if ICC truly wants to own BCCI, they can take off their IPL recognition for a year or two, collude with English and Australian board and you guys are done and dusted.

However, i doubt anyone in ICC has the balls or the vision to take such a bold step.

Never a truer word spoken. The ICC will never do anything, especially when it comes to BCCI. The ICC is in a very comfortable place because there is a steady inflow of $$.

They will not shake the apple cart. In fact the cart has not been so much as touched, let alone shaken for a long time.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Withdraw from them then.

That helps Pakistan and creates problems for other participating teams.

 

[cricketjoshila]

False.

Any domestic tournament that has international players need recognition from ICC. Reference: https://www.dawn.com/news/321742

Also, if ICC truly wants to own BCCI, they can take off their IPL recognition for a year or two, collude with English and Australian board and you guys are done and dusted.

However, i doubt anyone in ICC has the balls or the vision to take such a bold step.

No they dont. ICC leaves it to the local board to devise policy on it.

""As far as domestic events are concerned we leave it up to the home boards to make policy decisions," he added.

Richardson said the ICC had left it to the respective boards to outline a policy on the ICL and players who have signed up for it."

https://m.hindustantimes.com/india/...approves-it/story-qotTpSR1hwhokT43PD1eBP.html

And Bcci will simply move out of all icc tournaments thereby crippling the icc financially. Icc wont be able to pay its members the funds.

Bcci will negotiate with individual boards who will be in a cash crunch to send their players for IPL in return for money and india tours. They may even allow cricketers outside the top 20 contracted ones to play in the leagues. What will ICC do?

Remember ICC doesnot own cricket they were formed by members to run the game.Without these members ICC will fold up.

What makes you think Bcci cannot collude with the boards?

ECB makes money only when India tours or Ashes takes place. Why will they go againist India? For what? What do they get?

Nothing of this sort will actually happen though. As except PCB no one has any issues with Bcci. So these dreams of people will remain, dreams only.

 

[shaz619]

Obviously the existence of ICC and other boards does benefit India but the fact is they generate the max revenue hence why they dictate terms, all the other hypothetical scenarios are just not realistic am afraid. People run where the money is, a boycott of Indian cricket would be out of this world. So I agree with [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] there

Pakistan are doing what they got to do, they realise what a series with India would mean financially for their board so they can hardly be criticised in that regard, especially with no home cricket although the PSL and recent efforts have been positive.

 

[USofA]

Obviously the existence of ICC and other boards does benefit India but the fact is they generate the max revenue hence why they dictate terms, all the other hypothetical scenarios are just not realistic am afraid. People run where the money is, a boycott of Indian cricket would be out of this world. So I agree with [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] there

Pakistan are doing what they got to do, they realise what a series with India would mean financially for their board so they can hardly be criticised in that regard, especially with no home cricket although the PSL and recent efforts have been positive.

Very good points. You are absolutely right. All this boycott, withdraw, collusion talk is not only hypothetical but also unrealistic. In the real world the $$ wins almost all the time.

The BCCI dictates terms and has power not just because they generate the most $$. That is only one part of the reason. The other part is when others want a piece of that $$ from the BCCI. That is where BCCI power grows exponentially.

 

[Mp812]

Lol. As if its ICC's money. ICC will have s begging bowl in its hand without BCCI.

I would like to see ICC do that...and in that case BCCI retaliation will probably be to make a parallel cricket body which would bring ICC revenues by 60%.

 

[Mp812]

Isnt BCCIs IPL reliant on international players who require NOC from their poor boards? Hmm. And isnt IPL itself reliant on ICC recognizing it? Hmm. So rich yet reliant on these poor boards in both the international and domestic arena. Sad. [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION]

Yes BCCI needs ICC and gets what it wants from ICC whatever it needs and whenever needs like a window for ipl..
Yes players do require noc from their boards but as seen in past of these boards hesitate to give the noc they players have shown the inclination to go freelance....can the boards afford their top players to go free lance

 

[Balthazar]

Isnt BCCIs IPL reliant on international players who require NOC from their poor boards? Hmm. And isnt IPL itself reliant on ICC recognizing it? Hmm. So rich yet reliant on these poor boards in both the international and domestic arena. Sad.

One of the IPL teams, DD, were just playing with 3 international players even though four were allowed. They benched International players for young upcoming Indian talents. Someone like Rishabh Pant, who's just 20-21 years old, make more money than Williamson in IPL.

So how is IPL reliant on international players?

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

i think what will go against India is that they were happy to play against Pakistan in tournaments but refused to honour the MOU.

Before the MOU was signed India was not playing Pakistan but they still signed the MOU, pure deceit and fraud by BCCI

 

[Imy]

can we please just forget about India . Why do we want to play them. forget the money. If playing cricket means selling yourself then lets not play the damn game. its not worth it.

 

[IMMY69]

i think what will go against India is that they were happy to play against Pakistan in tournaments but refused to honour the MOU.

Before the MOU was signed India was not playing Pakistan but they still signed the MOU, pure deceit and fraud by BCCI

and sort of blows that force majeur argument out of the water

 

[big_gamer007]

i think what will go against India is that they were happy to play against Pakistan in tournaments but refused to honour the MOU.

Before the MOU was signed India was not playing Pakistan but they still signed the MOU, pure deceit and fraud by BCCI

And PCB sold their soul and morals for a series against India.. When they were getting money (from India series) in return to support Big three they were happy to bend backwards and change their vote for money.. So neither board has any moral or ethical standing here it’s all pure business..

BCCI would also like to play a series against Pakistan, they are pretty greedy and want as much money as possible however the current political situation and environment in India is not suitable for government to allow a series especially just before 2019 elections.. Maybe they will change stance next year after election who knows..

 

[big_gamer007]

Obviously the existence of ICC and other boards does benefit India but the fact is they generate the max revenue hence why they dictate terms, all the other hypothetical scenarios are just not realistic am afraid. People run where the money is, a boycott of Indian cricket would be out of this world. So I agree with [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] there

Pakistan are doing what they got to do, they realise what a series with India would mean financially for their board so they can hardly be criticised in that regard, especially with no home cricket although the PSL and recent efforts have been positive.

What happened to you? When did you become James Ellsworth from Ken shamrock?

 

[shaz619]

What happened to you? When did you become James Ellsworth from Ken shamrock?

#WarBCCI

 

[Slim]

i think what will go against India is that they were happy to play against Pakistan in tournaments but refused to honour the MOU.

Before the MOU was signed India was not playing Pakistan but they still signed the MOU, pure deceit and fraud by BCCI

and sort of blows that force majeur argument out of the water

These two are probably the two most under-rated posts on this issue. Crushes the argument from the Indian side.

 

[Slim]

i think what will go against India is that they were happy to play against Pakistan in tournaments but refused to honour the MOU.

Before the MOU was signed India was not playing Pakistan but they still signed the MOU, pure deceit and fraud by BCCI

One of the IPL teams, DD, were just playing with 3 international players even though four were allowed. They benched International players for young upcoming Indian talents. Someone like Rishabh Pant, who's just 20-21 years old, make more money than Williamson in IPL.

So how is IPL reliant on international players?

Even though your post has a very obvious answer and does not really deserves a response but without international players, IPL is just another domestic tournament like your Ranjis and whatever. I thought this concept was pretty easy to grasp.

 

[Slim]

Never a truer word spoken. The ICC will never do anything, especially when it comes to BCCI. The ICC is in a very comfortable place because there is a steady inflow of $$.

They will not shake the apple cart. In fact the cart has not been so much as touched, let alone shaken for a long time.

Absolutley and its down to ICC's lack of sincerity towards the game. Anyhow, same goes for those living in cuckoo land thinking BCCI can establish a parallel body. Changing the status quo is the hardest thing.

 

[Mp812]

A simple hypothetical question? if the govt of Pakistan did not permit pcb to play against sri Lanka or any other x y z country.....would pcb disobey?

 

[Mp812]

Even though your post has a very obvious answer and does not really deserves a response but without international players, IPL is just another domestic tournament like your Ranjis and whatever. I thought this concept was pretty easy to grasp.

What you fail to grasp is if such powerful rich body is formed....many international players will choose club over country or retire early as was seen in past when Nz or wi players had decided to do so till their board was forced to agree

 

[princeuk]

As usual everything that BCCI deal with lacks professionalism and so much arrogance. I love how the posters make out that BCCI are doing everyone favours by paying generous amounts of money to international players and everyone from the International boards to the ICC have their "begging bowl" out and want money from them, if BCCI pay international players money they arent doing it to do anyone else a favour they are doing it in return to make the IPL the biggest T20 brand in world cricket and this has happened because International players play play in the IPL, so the international players in turn give the IPL what they want. When you work in an office, the company dont do workers a big favour or the employees are out with their begging bowl, at the end of the day they are gettign paid to do a job which an organisation wants, so they BOTH benefit from the work.

 

[USofA]

Absolutley and its down to ICC's lack of sincerity towards the game. Anyhow, same goes for those living in cuckoo land thinking BCCI can establish a parallel body. Changing the status quo is the hardest thing.

The BCCI will not establish a parallel body. Why would they. They are having their way in the current setup. So they would only want things to continue as is.

The ICC will not do anything because they have to make little to no effort. The BCCI $$ will keep flowing. So they want status quo as well.

If a change has to happen, it will have to come from the other boards. But majority of them are just as lazy as the ICC.

 

[IMMY69]

A simple hypothetical question? if the govt of Pakistan did not permit pcb to play against sri Lanka or any other x y z country.....would pcb disobey?

Probably not! But I would expect them to exclude playing India in IVC tournaments too otherwise it’s kust hypocritical. Furthermore I wouldn’t expect them to sign an MOU only to hide behind the Government.

If anything I would be utterly peeved off by the PCB if they acted the way the BCCI did.