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MUMBAI: In a desperate attempt to make up for the losses projected in their proposed revenue distribution for member boards this financial cycle, the ICC is once again mooting changes in the format of the 2021 Champions Trophy scheduled to be hosted by India. The game’s global governing body - pressed by a section of its member boards - intends to propose the switching of the 50-over Champions Trophy format to Twenty20 from the next edition in order to make it more marketable.

This, in turn, has made way for another potential clash between the ICC and the BCCI, adding a new twist to the recent acrimony that had surfaced post the global body’s proposal to shift the tournament out of India in the absence of any tax exemptions.

In the ICC board meeting this February, “concerns were expressed around the absence of tax exemption from the Indian government” for ICC events (scheduled to be) held in India. Following those ‘concerns’, the ICC had directed its management to “explore alternative host countries in a similar time zone” for the 2021 Champions Trophy, leading to a harsh reaction on part of members of the Indian board.

“The format cannot and will not change. The Champions Trophy was introduced as part of the vision of our former president Jagmohan Dalmiya and it’ll be his fifth anniversary when the tournament is hosted by India. This (proposed) move has been brought to the notice of the (BCCI) members and should the ICC persist, there’ll be a strong opposition from India,” sources in the know of things added.

In fact, keeping Dalmiya’s significance as a global leader of the game in mind, the BCCI has already decided to host the final of the Champions Trophy in Kolkata, sources added.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...t-in-favour/articleshow/63375015.cms?from=mdr
 
I think we should alternate between the two formats.

Play it every 2 years.

Once with the T20 format and once with the 50 over format.
 
I have a feeling CA and ECB want to do away with ODIs, because it doesn't bring them as much money. While for BCCI, after IPL its the ODIs that bring in money, international T20s still isn't a hot-cake. Which is why we almost always send a weaker squad for T20s.

Anyway if BCCI don't want, good luck to ICC to make it happen.
 
They've been scarred for life of the Champions Trophy :sarf2
 
They need to do something to make CT marketable.. It has no uniqueness about it.. WHen it was conceived earlier as a knock out tournament it atleast had some different format charm. Now it is just another tournament. May be they can revert back to knock out format. Otherwise this tournament will fizzle out in the long run.
 
I have a feeling CA and ECB want to do away with ODIs, because it doesn't bring them as much money. While for BCCI, after IPL its the ODIs that bring in money, international T20s still isn't a hot-cake. Which is why we almost always send a weaker squad for T20s.

Anyway if BCCI don't want, good luck to ICC to make it happen.

and PCB too.. i don't think ECB and CA are too keen on T20s, but may be for financial reasons they may want to do it

BCCI would be stupid to host too many ICC tournaments in India. They are basically letting their market be exploited by global audience. Restrict the ICC tournaments in India to once in a decade and that should be fine.. anyway by the time Champions trophy comes around it will be a decade but a world cup right after htat is not required. May be BCCI should give up the champions trophy rights and only keep world cup rights..
 
Manohar and his coterie lied to the members about the revenue to get their votes, now they have a revenue deficit and are in a bind. With the largest market not willing to help them, they are in a bind.
 
Manohar and his coterie lied to the members about the revenue to get their votes, now they have a revenue deficit and are in a bind. With the largest market not willing to help them, they are in a bind.

What was the lie out of interest? Maonhars proposal offered each county a set proportion of the excess revenue, as far as I'm aware that hasn't changed?
 
What was the lie out of interest? Maonhars proposal offered each county a set proportion of the excess revenue, as far as I'm aware that hasn't changed?

I think ICC revenue projection was very optimistic, you can even say outright wishful thinking.. Now they need to adjust that to the reality at hand. That is one more reason why I feel ICC will not move the CT out of India, although i would love if they do it. India shouldn't be hosting too many ICC tournaments
 
I have a feeling CA and ECB want to do away with ODIs, because it doesn't bring them as much money. While for BCCI, after IPL its the ODIs that bring in money, international T20s still isn't a hot-cake. Which is why we almost always send a weaker squad for T20s.

Anyway if BCCI don't want, good luck to ICC to make it happen.

The real reasoning for BCCI not playing too many T20Is and opposing this T20CT is they do not want to devalue the IPL. Team India playing too many T20is in someway impacts the market value, as fans gets bored of repetitive matches. Have you noticed, that some of Odis these days are not even full house in India and viewers are decreasing.
 
What was the lie out of interest? Maonhars proposal offered each county a set proportion of the excess revenue, as far as I'm aware that hasn't changed?

Proportion rate of distribution maybe true, but the actual projection of revenue was far fetched and now feeling the heat. It seems ICC wont generate the revenue they forcasted, basically means member nations will have significant cuts on their share (projection)
 
It was foolish in the first place to extend the period between T20 WC's back to 4 years. Just make it 2 years and problem solved.
 
What was the lie out of interest? Maonhars proposal offered each county a set proportion of the excess revenue, as far as I'm aware that hasn't changed?

The actual revenue has come down. With India unwilling to play ball, they have no chance of making up the revenue shortfall.
 
When has the BCCI ever agreed to anything?

BCCI is scheduled to host the next CT. Why should it willingly agree to a 60% cut in the cricket hours that can be sold to generate revenue?

Some of you just want to blindly blame the BCCI without understanding the facts of the issue.
 
I agree with the BCCI on this one


ICC talks about saving test cricket, but then encourages the saturation of the calendar with t20s
 
Manohar and his coterie lied to the members about the revenue to get their votes, now they have a revenue deficit and are in a bind. With the largest market not willing to help them, they are in a bind.

Is there a way to find out which countires are responsible for the revenue shortfall? Im guessing India is one of them. With limited ad dollars and budge every year, I'm wondering if IPL is stealing some of ICC's coffers.
 
They should just scrap this tournament altogether, no context whatsoever. I'd rather they host the World T20 every couple of years.
 
Is there a way to find out which countires are responsible for the revenue shortfall? Im guessing India is one of them. With limited ad dollars and budge every year, I'm wondering if IPL is stealing some of ICC's coffers.

1. Indians do not feel any responsibility for producing revenues for ICC. If ICC wants Indian money, it needs to offer something in return.

2. If customers prefer an alternative product (IPL in this case), then it is not stealing from anyone else's coffers. Want to make money? Then sell a product that the customers want!
 
May I ask why?

Is it not a big revenue generator for the BCCi?

They simply are not in a mood to help out icc in anyway, beyond what they have to under the MPA.

Secondly the revenue from any icc tournament goes to the icc and the member board only gets a hosting fee.

IPL telecast rights from 2018 to 2023 alone fetches bcci 2.5bn thats more than icc's entire revenue estimate (of which they will have a shortfall). So bcci is just not bothered about engaging with icc beyond what they are required to.
 
I for one agree with the BCCI for once lol

However, why is the BCCI against the change of format if the t20 event is said to be more marketable and thus increase revenue?
 
I too would have an issue with the last supposed 50-over CT being of my nation losing the final against its biggest rival...

;-)
 
I too would have an issue with the last supposed 50-over CT being of my nation losing the final against its biggest rival...

;-)

Lol, seeing the reaction of some of you guys, I wonder how much a shock to you yourself, your team winning CT against India was. This is how minnows like Bangladesh fans generally gloat and not something Pakistani fans generally do
 
I for one agree with the BCCI for once lol

However, why is the BCCI against the change of format if the t20 event is said to be more marketable and thus increase revenue?

Next CT is in India and some rights for it has already been sold. BCCI will lose out if format is changed. They might agree to change next time
 
They've been scarred for life of the Champions Trophy :sarf2

If ICC removes the "Champions Trophy" name then BCCI will agree :kohli
Too many bad memories with the "Champions Trophy" name :sarf
 
CT should be in ODI format...wesay hee there are too many T20's.So I agree with the BCCI for once!
 
Lol, seeing the reaction of some of you guys, I wonder how much a shock to you yourself, your team winning CT against India was. This is how minnows like Bangladesh fans generally gloat and not something Pakistani fans generally do

Oh, you guys are easily baited :))
 
its the ICC's own fault for not supporting other regions and Pakistan. Now they are beholden to the BCCI. Good luck with that one..
 
Now all in sudden t20 is better than ODI.:))

It’s not hit and giggle tamasha format anymore?

It is a hit and giggle tamasha, mickie mouse game until Pak does well and becomes number one, than T20s are the future and other formats are dead :).. If PSL succeeded and becomes a big hit, T20s are the savior of cricket otherwise T20s and more specifically IPL is killing the traditional cricket
 
It is a hit and giggle tamasha, mickie mouse game until Pak does well and becomes number one, than T20s are the future and other formats are dead :).. If PSL succeeded and becomes a big hit, T20s are the savior of cricket otherwise T20s and more specifically IPL is killing the traditional cricket

Nah, man. T20's is tamasha cricket. We can be no.1 or no. 10 it will never overtake Tests.

That may not help your agenda, but it is the truth.
 
I am with the BCCI on this one. I for one do not wish for a T20 CT.
 
Not needed Imo. I'd rather just have a WT20 every 2 years like it was before, was better for ICC as it made them more money and it also meant that it was clearly less valuable than the ODI WC.
 
I can see why ICC wants this and why BCCI doesn’t want it..

I am with BCCI on this one, CT is a 50 over tournament so keep it that way..
 
Both bcci and icc just wants to fill their pockets with money
They ruined this beautiful game.
 
It was all about maintaining the status quo. Srinivasan broke it with big 3 and Manohar broke it again with the new revenue model. BCCI is cunning and they know all they have to do is wait out Manohar. With india's supreme Court needling into BCCI, they have a nice reason to wait it out. With their attitude and capability, BCCI can afford to be a marauder with the big 3 proposal or a petty child that takes away his bat and leaves after getting out.
 
Both bcci and icc just wants to fill their pockets with money
They ruined this beautiful game.

and PCB, CA, CSA, ECB and others boards don't want to fill their pockets? All others boards except BCCI, ECB and CA are playing less tests and more LOIs to make money. India plays the least amount of T20Is among to teams.. But the blame is on BCCI
 
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At the moment, the CT and the WC are exactly the same thing except that one has eight teams and one has ten teams. What kind of "world" cup has only 10 teams?

The same goes for the T20 format. We already have a T20 WC, we don't need another one.
 
BCCI decides to reject the conversion of 2021 Champions Trophy to World T20

BCCI have clarified that any attempt that will be made to replace the 2021 Champions Trophy with the World T20 will be strongly rejected. BCCI's treasurer, Anirudh Chaudhry has justified the decision by explaining that the move said that it would cost the board a loss of approximately $30 million.

During the ICC conclave in Auckland last year, the governing body had proposed the idea of replacing the 2021 Champions Trophy with a World T20. After the idea was discussed again at the ICC Board meetings in Kolkata on Wednesday and Thursday the BCCI outright rejected it with Anirudh Chaudhry claiming that it would result in a loss of $30 million in revenue to the BCCI.

“It is now learned that there is a proposal to replace the Champions Trophy tournament scheduled in 2021 by a World T20 event. This might cause a loss of about $30 million to the BCCI and its stakeholders. Knowing the mood of the member organizations of the BCCI, in all likelihood, this would be unacceptable to the BCCI’s General Body which had earlier resolved that the Member Participation Agreement with the ICC would not be executed without the approval of the General Body,” Chaudhry said as quoted by The Indian Express.

The treasurer looked displeased over ICC chairman Shashank Manohar’s proceedings and asked him to take the matter more seriously.

“Having worked with Mr. Manohar, one realizes that he does miss out on briefing the house on crucial information that has potentially significant ramifications for the organization concerned and therefore it is important for the ICC Board to understand the correct picture vis-à-vis the BCCI.”

While, the ICC events for the 2019-2023 FTP cycle was finalized in Auckland last year, Cricket Australia(CA) were given the hosting rights of the 2020 World T20 while India were awarded the 2021 Champions Trophy and the 2023 World Cup hosting rights. However, during the meeting, the idea came to the fore that the BCCI to conduct World T20 instead of Champions Trophy in 2021 but it was shot down by the BCCI straightaway. However, according to a cricket board source, a recent ICC meeting on strategy and financial sustainability had mentioned the proposed 2021 Champions Trophy as a “World T20 tournament”. Chaudhry strongly condemned the cricketing global body for its attitude towards the richest cricket board.

“It appears that the morality of the ICC excludes India’s interests but includes India’s money. It also appears that the true intent and the optics of the intent also differ greatly,” the treasurer said, adding: “How can we, the BCCI, devalue the life of a child playing cricket in a remote district in India in order to add value to a life of someone playing cricket in Ireland or Pakistan. All life is valuable and as BCCI, it is our duty to do the best we can for those who play the game within our area of operation. Also, we must not lose sight of the fact that the Champions Trophy is a brainchild of the late Jagmohan Dalmiya, who conceptualised it for the greater sustenance of the 50-over format.” said Anirudh Chaudhry.

One BCCI member questioned the contradictions about ICC’s plan of giving other formats more scope against the current threat of growing T20 demands. However, the Auckland meeting governing body had agreed on introducing a nine-team Test league and a 13-team ODI league from 2019 and 2020 respectively.

BCCI also decided for an advanced the 2019 edition of the IPL, to be played from March 29 to May 19, declared in the ICC Chief Executives Committee meeting in Kolkata on Tuesday keeping an eye on World Cup 2019 schedule. As per the new fixtures, India will play their first match against South Africa on June 5. Their match against Pakistan is scheduled for June 16. The Indian board advanced next year’s IPL to ensure a 15-day lay-off between the T20 league and the World Cup, obliging Supreme Court’s directive. India will also play 19 home Tests during the 2019-2023 FTP cycle.

https://sportscafe.in/articles/cric...ersion-of-2021-champions-trophy-to-world-t-20
 
Agree on BCCI for this one Champions Trophy should stay 50 overs and 8 teams. the WC should have a minimal of 16 teams.
 
Pathetic from ICC as usual. How many t20 tournaments do we need? I m getting fed up with this constant barrage of pointless T20s.
 
BCCI have always been against playing too many T20's . It's usually the ECB and other boards that promote shorter formats despite the popular images of the respective boards. T20 cricket has directly been responsible for the decline of viewership for ODI cricket in India now that it is saturated with IPL, World T20's every now and then, ODI's and the increasing number of tests that India have played in recent times. ODI's are the format that were most profitable for BCCI historically and their stand is quite understandable.
 
Agree with BCCI here.
Although Pak t20 is no 1 right now and will remain a class above the rest in t20s for next few years but still we don't so many t20 tournaments. Would prefer an Odi tournament.
 
As has been said before,the ODI CT is fine!

Anyways there will be a T20 WC in 2020,So 2 WCs in 2 years will be overkill.
 
May I ask why?

Is it not a big revenue generator for the BCCi?

ICC run tournaments generate revenue only for the ICC. The ICC then distributes a % of profits to all the boards. So nothing in it for BCCI directly.
 
Brilliant from BCCI here :salute
No need for this pyjama tournament.
Imo CT for ODIs is also not needed; if u are having 16-20 teams in ODI WC then it's CT is a brilliant thing; but when u have 10 teams in WC and 8 in CT; both tournaments become a joke.
 
Hopefully the other boards reject this proposal as well.No need for another WC just a year after the other.

BUT the T20 WC should revert to being held after 2 years instead of 4.
 
Just out of curiosity, why does the ICC not spend this much time thinking about tests and ways to make it profitable.
 
T20 champions trophy will be a competetion for IPL. Ofcourse, BCCI will not approve.
 
Hopefully the other boards reject this proposal as well.No need for another WC just a year after the other.

BUT the T20 WC should revert to being held after 2 years instead of 4.

WC in any format or sport should be held once in 4 years. Otherwise, you will dilute the value. The champions should have bragging rights for 4 years.
 
This is a non sense tournament about which nobody cared upto 2013.It should be scraped and replaced by test championship or T20 WC.This tournament could survive before advent of T20 cricket but not now.
 
This is a non sense tournament about which nobody cared upto 2013.It should be scraped and replaced by test championship or T20 WC.This tournament could survive before advent of T20 cricket but not now.

The original purpose of this tournament was to generate revenue for the emerging and associate teams. That's why Dalmiya created this tournament, and the early editions were held in places like Kenya, Bangladesh etc.

Now that the ICC is sitting on a pile of cash from 20 years of milking the Indian market, there is even more reason to funnel the revenue from CT towards associate and emerging countries.

But its unlikely to happen.
 
#ThankYouBCCI

I don't see why we can't scrap the Champions Trophy and just have the World T20 every two years. Having three different ICC limited overs tournaments reduces the attraction of these global events.
 
#ThankYouBCCI

I don't see why we can't scrap the Champions Trophy and just have the World T20 every two years. Having three different ICC limited overs tournaments reduces the attraction of these global events.

Why? Because it will have negative impact on the T20 leagues.
The less international T20’s the more interest there will be for watching T20 leagues.
 
So many of you are missing the hard-core ICC politics that is involved in this issue.

Right now ICC is being controlled by the Giles Clarke Faction. They are at war with BCCI. They changed the revenue distribution model. They changed the voting rules. They are pressuring BCCI to get GOI to make ICC tournaments hosted in India tax-free so that ICC gets more money.

Now they want to push for making CT into T20, knowing fully well that the next edition is India's to host. If you change from ODI to T20, that will mean BCCI will have fewer hours of content to sell for TV rights and make less money.

Then there's the "dispute resolution committee" that is a joke - it essentially is a one-man committee with zero right of appeal. And the one man? Appointed by Giles Clarke.

Its an all-out war against the BCCI by the Giles Clark coterie. If the BCCI responds aggressively then the coterie will use it to gather support from the 'neutral' boards by pointing to BCCI as the "selfish" non co-operative board.

Lots of manouvering going on. Meanwhile BCCI is going through chaos at home thanks to the Supreme Court. It will take another year or 2 before all that is settled, and a proper leadership takes control of the BCCI and can handle itself with ICC politics. Till next year, the Giles Clarke faction is going to be notching up a few more 'wins'.

But how will that play out once the BCCI inevitably sorts out its internal troubles? Will a cornered BCCI retaliate by being less considerate about ICC priorities? Will the BCCI take action to 'punish' the Giles Clarke faction then? Look at what happened to South Africa as a result of Haroon Lorgat's "hardball" tactics with BCCI. CSA lost its boxing day test. And what was supposed to be a 4 test 7 ODI series, turned into a 3 test, 6 ODI series.

I wouldn't be surprised to see the BCCI organize a parallel event that just happens to be on the same dates as the ECB's 100 ball 'experiment'. A 3 week mini-IPL "cricket carnival" in the US and Canada would be quite nice.
 
Now they want to push for making CT into T20, knowing fully well that the next edition is India's to host. If you change from ODI to T20, that will mean BCCI will have fewer hours of content to sell for TV rights and make less money.

The BCCI don't own/sell the TV rights. The ICC do so it it's in their interest to maximise them surely?
 
I think a T20 Champions Trophy would be better than an ODI Champions Trophy. Champions Trophy was more useful in ODI's but now the WC is only 10 teams, there's hardly any difference. World T20 has a lot of teams so a t20 Champions Trophy would make more sense as at least there would be a bigger difference.
 
Rare that I do agree with BCCI but ti makes zero sense to switch the BCCI to a T20 tournament. The number of hours of content matter in sports, once the time is gone, it's gone. The only way I could approve of it is if Champions Trophy became a 16 team tournament, which makes up for the content loss with more matches. It also restores the original purpose of the Champions Trophy with up and coming Associate/Affiliate teams getting attention.

ICC has gotten too short sighted with all this focus on India. They could be doing so much to start promoting the sport in China where there's no cricketing presence outside of hong kong. The Ireland and Afghanistan promotions were long overdue-need to create more markets. With their relationships with Pakistan Chinese cricket should already have started to see some development...except with ICC it's "NAH, we'll just try and take more of the existing pie rather than making the pie bigger".
 
Why do we need another T20 tournament? Don't we have enough T20's being played around the world? I would call for either keeping Champions Trophy as it is or scraping the tournament once for all as they had decided before 2013. Why do you need a World T20 and Champions Trophy T20? The have countless T20 leagues and International T20's and Tri-series which have started to prop up now? Too many T20 games being played around the world.
 
Tax issues won't affect 2021 Champions Trophy, 2023 World Cup in India: BCCI

Tax issues won’t affect India hosting the 2021 Champions Trophy and the 2023 World Cup, Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) Acting Secretary Amitabh Chaudhary said here on Wednesday.

On the sidelines of the International Cricket Council (ICC) quarterly meeting here, Chaudhary sounded confident of getting government exemptions for both the mega events.

“The matter is not closed, please understand,” he told reporters.

“It is still under consideration. As you know, tax matters take long, even assessments take long, very long. Don’t worry.”

After the Indian government refused to exempt the 2016 World Twenty20, the ICC suffered a revenue deficit. Since then, the BCCI has tried desperately to alter their stance, but to no avail.

The ICC had said in February that it was exploring alternative venues for the Champions Trophy.

Chaudhury added that ICC’s wish to relocate the Champions Trophy might help the board’s efforts in the end.

“Sometimes, such things help. Maybe tax authorities will think ‘we’d be responsible if these events are taken away from India’ and grant tax exemption,” Chaudhary said.

Chaudhary further revealed that the ICC has decided to study the kind of concession the government in the United Kingdom offers to European football’s governing body UEFA for hosting events like the Champions League final and “see if a parallel can be drawn”.

http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/...ns-trophy-2023-world-cup-in-india-bcci-705718
 
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