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ICC World Cup 2023: Afghanistan (284 all out) beat England (215 all out) by 69 runs in shock ICC Cricket World Cup win

Sherazkhalid said:
This makes SL/Aus interesting too, SL beat Aus and they feel the 4th spot is theirs, let's see how they feel after failing to defend such a big total.
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They ain't winnig against Australia. It will be an anti climax. The average age of their bowlers is like 22 or so. Way too young to shoulder the entire bowling responsibility
 
England is getting hit with a rude reality that their baz-ball approach isn't really cut out for all conditions.

They didn't need to be defensive today but had they just smartly targeted specific bowlers and played out Mujeeb without risking too much, who knows?
 
Pak vs Afg in Delhi would had been a cracker. Chennai it will be one sided.
 
Super odd England won the toss and chose to field first. Not sure why as you always want to bat first against Afghanistan since they do not have the ability to chase.
 
Pakistan need to be careful of Afghans now specially in Chennai , Pakistan need to be prepared for a turner , India will make sure the ball turns square.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
England is getting hit with a rude reality that their baz-ball approach isn't really cut out for all conditions.

They didn't need to be defensive today but had they just smartly targeted specific bowlers and played out Mujeeb without risking too much, who knows?
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I am not sure they ever attempted bazball t oday. It was tentativeness right from the word go.
 
Rana said:
Pakistan needed England to win this

There is no way they are going to go easy on them in their penultimate game if they haven’t already qualified
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England are chokers when was the last time they have beaten pakistan in world cup
 
Rising from Ahe Ashes,
A missive congratulations to Afghanistan cricket.
One the biggest upsets in WC Cricket History
 
mominsaigol said:
Only player who gets into the Indian squad is naseem and abrar.

Naseem is gun and they'd gladly take him over thakur and shami, they'd also groom and rest him well to avoid shoulder injuries.

Abrar is unknown but they'd love someone who can genuinely replace jadeja or ashwin down the line, and probs groom his bowling skills and batting skills since abrar has shown he loves to tonk and has show magic with the ball.

Everyone else they'd discard 😂. Ik for sure, not batsmen is entering into the Indian unit lol
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Also Shaheen when's he back to full fitness and got over the niggles.
 
Afghanistan deserves a chance into the semis, they have better bowlers and batsmen compared to Pak.
 
Afro said:
Afghanistan deserves a chance into the semis, they have better bowlers and batsmen compared to Pak.
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They need to sort out their middle order

It’s shambolic. They have a good opening pair and a more than useful lower middle order+tail

But 3,4 and 5 are not convincing at all
 
Played really well
Congratulations Afghanistan 🇦🇫

Pakistan needs to play really well or they will be humiliated by Afghanistan too

Hashmatullah shahidi is way ahead of Babar in terms of captaincy this world cup

Afghanistan also have better spinners than pakistan

And the batting approach is well ahead of pakistans approach
 
The 4 teams at the top of the table after today's game will be the four semifinalists. Only their placings will change. Despite humiliating defeat against India, Pakistan will win their games against the SENA teams. I am sure they will make a couple of changes to their team and will come back strong just like 2019.
 
As flawed as they are, if Pak pick proper spinners in place of the fake all rounders they can seal the 4th spot.
 
apnapind said:
Who do you reckon will win in chennai?
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Pakistan will win. Pakistan players are used to playing these Afghan bowlers. Also, Pak has a mental edge over Afghanistan. But expect a huge resistance. Infact every team should against this Afghan team. If only they played well against BD.
 
As for Afg, you cannot get away with batsmen with 65-70 SRs... Until they sort that out, this will be their only upset in this WC.
 
rhony said:
Pakistan will win. Pakistan players are used to playing these Afghan bowlers. Also, Pak has a mental edge over Afghanistan. But expect a huge resistance. Infact every team should against this Afghan team. If only they played well against BD.
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That was at Dharamsala. Not that conducive to spinners.
 
topspin said:
Also Shaheen when's he back to full fitness and got over the niggles.
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Not really no, I've seen shaheen for a.long time. The problem with shaheen is that he's a terrific new ball bowler ut bang average everywhere else.

India already has bumrah who's terrific with the new ball and terrific pretty much everywhere and they'd love naseem who's also terrific in economy and wickets everywhere else.

Pandya can fill in the rest just fine and siraj can be expensive but he's a genuine wicket taker.

Shaheen is a one hit wonder and India probs won't require him.
 
Brilliant win from Afghans

Seems like it was years in the making. All their hard work and investment has payed off.

Gurbaz brilliant, Rashid brilliant, Mujeeb brilliant

The world cup is officially open
 
Cricfan4eva said:
England is getting hit with a rude reality that their baz-ball approach isn't really cut out for all conditions.

They didn't need to be defensive today but had they just smartly targeted specific bowlers and played out Mujeeb without risking too much, who knows?
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What bazball? Most batsmen were dismissed playing defensive shots. It was great skill by these Afghani spinners.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
That was at Dharamsala. Not that conducive to spinners.
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It was a batting flop by Afghans. Rashid and Mujeeb can bowl well on most surfaces. 250 would have made the match interesting instead of 150
 
mominsaigol said:
Not really no, I've seen shaheen for a.long time. The problem with shaheen is that he's a terrific new ball bowler ut bang average everywhere else.

India already has bumrah who's terrific with the new ball and terrific pretty much everywhere and they'd love naseem who's also terrific in economy and wickets everywhere else.

Pandya can fill in the rest just fine and siraj can be expensive but he's a genuine wicket taker.

Shaheen is a one hit wonder and India probs won't require him.
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India needs a good left-armer. I hope Shaheen will be back. Don't forget he was our best bowler in the last 3 x ICC tournaments.
 
cricenjoyer said:
Brilliant win from Afghans

Seems like it was years in the making. All their hard work and investment has payed off.

Gurbaz brilliant, Rashid brilliant, Mujeeb brilliant

The world cup is officially open
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Beating someone in a 50 over game is a lot harder than in 20 over game.
 
The best game so far has thrown the tournament wide open!
I still don't think they'll make it to the semis, but it's definitely a warning to the other big sides.

For England they've had a complete misread of the conditions. May have taken too much from the india game where rohit was carting it all around the park and thought they'd be treated to the same pancake in the 2nd innings. It backfired, the pitch got slower and they couldn't handle the spinners.

100% should have batted first, since scoreboard pressure counts for a lot against smaller teams who haven't been in pressure situations as much, and especially since SA bludgeoned a record score on this ground.
 
topspin said:
India needs a good left-armer. I hope Shaheen will be back. Don't forget he was our best bowler in the last 3 x ICC tournaments.
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Shaheen will walk in for Siraj. Babar will walk in for Iyer. Easy picks
 
One of the key outcome from this match is, Australia vs England match will become even more important. That is going to be quiet a spectacle. Bookmark your calendar

Nov 04 , England vs Australia , Narendra Modi stadium.
 
Afghanistan registered a stunning 69-run win over England in the first major upset of the 2023 ICC Men's Cricket World Cup.

Afghanistan bundled England out for 215 to script just their second Cricket World Cup win, eight years since their last against Scotland in Australia. This time, it was the defending champions at the receiving end.

Put in to bat on a wicket that had yielded big runs recently, Afghanistan mustered a decent total, but then outdid the England bowlers with their spin trio reigning over the famed English batting line-up.

After putting on a decent total on board, Afghanistan needed early breakthroughs to really push England onto the backfoot and Fazaqlhaq Farooqi did just that by shaping one back into Jonny Bairstow to trap him in front for two.

Mujeeb Ur Rahman added to England's panic when a quicker one slid through quicker to nip out Joe Root's stumps. At 33/2, England were in early trouble and Afghanistan had their eyes set on something special.

With Dawid Malan gifting a simple catch to cover off Mohammad Nabi and Jos Buttler cleaned up by Naveen-ul-Haq after a jittery time in the middle, Afghanistan were well and truly on top before the 20th over.

They pressed England further immediately after with Rashid Khan snaring the big scalp of Liam Livingstone in the 21st over, leaving the defending champions reeling at 117/5.

Harry Brook held the England innings together, compiling his second ODI fifty and warding off the Rashid threat admirably, but he kept running out of partners. When Nabi sent back Sam Curran, caught at slip, with the score still under 150, Afghanistan had truly stamped their authority on the game.

Chris Woakes and Brook promised a revival with a secure stand, but Mujeeb broke through with a tight over at the end of which Woakes' stumps were pegged back.

Mujeeb came back to dismiss Brook and the rest of the line-up failed to counter the Afghanistan spinners as Afghanistan pulled off a memorable upset win.

Put in to bat, England were treated to a rampant Rahmanullah Gurbaz, who put the defending champions in defensive mode with an onslaught that saw Afghanistan race to 45 inside the first six overs.

With boundaries flooding from one end and Ibrahim Zadran blocking his end out pretty well on a flat wicket, the breakthrough just didn't come for England.

Flaying criticism around their slow powerplay starts, Afghanistan dug into England's bowling attack with Sam Curran being at the receiving end of Gurbaz's fury. The opener smashed him for two fours and a six in the ninth over that saw 20 runs coming.

Gurbaz soon completed a 33-ball fifty and celebrated it next over by upper-cutting Mark Wood over the third man fence with a sublime shot.

Adil Rashid eventually broke through for England, sending back Zadran in the 17th over. The batter's heave the leg-side was safely pouched by Joe Root at mid-wicket.

One brought another as Rahmat Shah was out stumped off Rashid in his next over. What was turning out to be a slight blip on their course soon turned into a mini-collapse as Gurbaz was run out the very next ball with skipper Hashmatullah Shahidi erring in his judgement of a single

With Gurbaz gone for 80 and Afghanistan losing three wickets in three overs, England sensed an opening to come back into the game.

Part-time spinners Liam Livingstone and Joe Root struck in between some lusty hits from Azmatullah Omarzai and Ikram Ali Khil as Afghanistan lost half their side in the 33rd over with the score still under 200.

If England hoped to run through the lower middle-order, that didn't quite materialise with Ali Khil holding his end up quite well. Mark Wood bounced out Mohammad Nabi, but Rashid Khan curbed his instincts to ensure Ali Khil had decent company heading into the death overs.

It took a gem of a catch from Root near the ropes for England to break the 43-run stand between Ali Khil and Rashid with the latter falling to his namesake from the England side.

Mujeeb ur Rahman, though, got going for Afghanistan, slamming a sequence of four, four and six off Sam Curran to push Afghanistan late in the innings. Ali Khil joined him with some cracking shots too after his half-century.

England broke the stand before the final two overs with the wicket of Ali Khil and also prized out Mujeeb the first ball next over, but a competitive total had already been compiled. The 284 put on is Afghanistan's second-highest score in the Cricket World Cup.

Source: ICC
 
Big win for Afghanistan and also makes the group stage far more interesting.
 
That was a brilliant performance by Afghanistan.

They played to their strengths and were not overawed by the opposition or the occasion.

Greatest win in their history.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
One of the key outcome from this match is, Australia vs England match will become even more important. That is going to be quiet a spectacle. Bookmark your calendar

Nov 04 , England vs Australia , Narendra Modi stadium.
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All England and Australia matches are pretty much must wins

3 losses each means they will have to hope one has the better nrr
 
Rashid Khan said "Cricket is the only source of happiness in Afghanistan, recently there was an Earthquake, many lost everything, this will give them some happiness - this is for them".


Dude. That hit right in the feels.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Delhi deserves a bigger and a much better stadium. Crowd loves to appreciate good cricket here. I wasn't expecting this much crowd for a non indian game in Delhi. :inti
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Naw it’s probably coz most Afghans live in Delhi and locals love supporting Afghans.
Afg vs Pak would had been one dimensional as well.
Now that I realise I’m glad Afghanistan vs Pakistan is in Chennai if not knowing Afghan supporters they would be ridiculous in Delhi.

Gujarat doesn’t hold a candle to Delhi when it comes to being volatile and cussing.
People fail to realise ahmedabad crowd was from all over India not Gujarat only.
 
JaDed said:
Naw it’s probably coz most Afghans live in Delhi and locals love supporting Afghans.
Afg vs Pak would had been one dimensional as well.
Now that I realise I’m glad Afghanistan vs Pakistan is in Chennai if not knowing Afghan supporters they would be ridiculous in Delhi.

Gujarat doesn’t hold a candle to Delhi when it comes to being volatile and cussing.
People fail to realise ahmedabad crowd was from all over India not Gujarat only.
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There were more Indians than the Afghanis in the stadium today. Almost 95% of them were Indians lol. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
There were more Indians than the Afghanis in the stadium today. Almost 95% of them were Indians lol. :inti
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Yeah and locals support Afghans as well, You can ask anyone no cusses more than Dilliwalas in the entire country.
Their rep is pretty bad across. It would had been exactly same as Gujarat if the game happened in Delhi.

Only South would be different.
 
Yeah
JaDed said:
Yeah and locals support Afghans as well, You can ask anyone no cusses more than Dilliwalas in the entire country.
Their rep is pretty bad across.
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Yeah I know that pretty well but they are nothing in front of UP walas. :inti
 
rhony said:
Shaheen will walk in for Siraj. Babar will walk in for Iyer. Easy picks
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Shreyas Iyer massacres spinners and he is a very positive batsman. He still holds the record for India in scoring most runs in a single over. 31 runs. Also he is very calculative about when to launch assault, when to counter punch. He can flow between gears. Babar cannot fulfill that role.
 
Customary English banana slip in a world cup, nothing new, so not surprised at all.
1992 : Zimbabwe
2009 : Netherlands
2011 : Bangladesh, Ireland
2014 : Netherlands
2015 : Bangladesh
2019 : Srilanka
2022 : Ireland
2023 : Afghanistan
No one jobbes to minnows as much as England does in world stages.
The saga continues...
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Shreyas Iyer massacres spinners and he is a very positive batsman. He still holds the record for India in scoring most runs in a single over. 31 runs. Also he is very calculative about when to launch assault, when to counter punch. He can flow between gears. Babar cannot fulfill that role.
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Iyer seems to be a midget against pace. No. 4 should be able to play pace
 
rhony said:
Shaheen will walk in for Siraj. Babar will walk in for Iyer. Easy picks
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Lol no. Iyer is a more attacking batsman than Baber. India won't play an accumulator at no 4 and at no 3 we have the GOAT. So Babar won't walk in. Shaheen may not even come through the ranks so early as india doesn't like to blood them early. Shaheen also seem to struggle if there is no help for bowlers. He wouldn't have even broken through Indian system.
 
JaDed said:
Yeah and locals support Afghans as well, You can ask anyone no cusses more than Dilliwalas in the entire country.
Their rep is pretty bad across. It would had been exactly same as Gujarat if the game happened in Delhi.

Only South would be different.
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JaDed said:
Yeah and locals support Afghans as well, You can ask anyone no cusses more than Dilliwalas in the entire country.
Their rep is pretty bad across. It would had been exactly same as Gujarat if the game happened in Delhi.

Only South would be different.
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Yes lol. My sister is law is from Delhi and every time I visit that city it seems to have deteriorated as far as cussing is concerned. They also seem to be proud of their reputation as bad boys 😂😂
 
rhony said:
Iyer seems to be a midget against pace. No. 4 should be able to play pace
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He is no midget. He has issues with balls targeting his body. He pulls and hooks instinctive. It's also when bowlers are bowling at 145+ speeds. Otherwise he will do fine. Hope you saw the pull against Hasan ali where he had so much time and kept it down. Every batsman has issues. Babar struggle to dominate spinners. Most of thr middle overs willl be bowls by spinners and allrounders. You need bars,an who xna dominante and destroy those kinds of bowlers. Babar, as you saw yesterday, entered when the scoring rate was around 5, batted with two of the best batsmen in his team for 20+ overs on a flat pitch and got out with his team's run rate pretty much around the same.
 
rhony said:
Iyer seems to be a midget against pace. No. 4 should be able to play pace
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Midget? He has some dominating nature. So some times he plays some ego shots. His first class strike rate is 80 at average of 50. Otherwise he has no issues against any type of bowling. Babar himself is suspect against bouncer. Seen him struggle against olivier, west indian fast bowlers, heck even Bhuvi bounced him out. He does well when the ball is slightly above knee level.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
They ain't winnig against Australia. It will be an anti climax. The average age of their bowlers is like 22 or so. Way too young to shoulder the entire bowling responsibility
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Aus have failed to score 200 in two games back to back, who knows how things turn out against SL, both are under pressure, so anything could happen
 
Yesterday's loss for england against afghanistan is due to the negative attitude of malan, he is the one who started it if they played their shots pressure would be back on afghanistan but have to give credit to the afghanistan bowlers especially their spinners, yesterday's match proves the weakness of england batsman against quality spin, congrats afghanistan from india
 
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Australia must look to chase it in under 30 overs. No demons in the pitch. A golden opportunity for Australia to roar back into SF contention.
 
Mamoon said:
On a side note, England have no chance of winning the World Cup because their bowling is as toothless as Pakistan’s.

They really need a fit and firing Jofra Archer back ASAP.

@Forum363 remember when you said England didn’t need Archer in 2019? Well here is your answer.

England white ball bowling is a joke without him and his absence is the main reason why they have struggled for consistency in this format over the last 2-3 years.
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Actually what has been proven here is that England and their attacking style of cricket works on many occasions, but despite all the hype given to English batters and Eoin Morgan, the ONLY reason they have 2 limited overs trophies is due to one man and that is Ben Stokes. In the 2019 final when England were on the brink of losing, it wasn't aggressive batting or a deep line up but Stokes single handedly who dragged them over the line. In the 2022 t20 final, it was Stokes who took England over the line. On both those occasions, he was the difference between a talented team like South Africa / New Zealand and India vs actual world champions with trophies.

Its laughable that you think a fluke bowler like Archer could have made any difference. Sure, he is was a decent bowler and contributed to them getting to the knockouts but Stokes is the key factor. If he was fit, I guarantee England would not have lost against Afghanistan at least. Plus England have a bowler who's better than him in Wood, and Topley who's bowled brilliantly.
 
Forum363 said:
Actually what has been proven here is that England and their attacking style of cricket works on many occasions, but despite all the hype given to English batters and Eoin Morgan, the ONLY reason they have 2 limited overs trophies is due to one man and that is Ben Stokes. In the 2019 final when England were on the brink of losing, it wasn't aggressive batting or a deep line up but Stokes single handedly who dragged them over the line. In the 2022 t20 final, it was Stokes who took England over the line. On both those occasions, he was the difference between a talented team like South Africa / New Zealand and India vs actual world champions with trophies.

Its laughable that you think a fluke bowler like Archer could have made any difference. Sure, he is was a decent bowler and contributed to them getting to the knockouts but Stokes is the key factor. If he was fit, I guarantee England would not have lost against Afghanistan at least. Plus England have a bowler who's better than him in Wood, and Topley who's bowled brilliantly.
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Archer defended runs in the last super over? He isn't a fluke bowler, he was fire In 2019 so was Liam Plucknett.

2019 England was stronger because Morgan, Stokes and root complimented each other. They werent random bazzball hacks like brook.

Roy, Bairstow, Root, Stokes, Morgan and butler were all genuine batsmen and prime form.

Bairstow form has been horrible since coming back from injury in 2023, Butler has badly badly regressed with his last outing being the 2022 India bash, Morgan is gone and Stokes is our of practise due to being away for a while, and Roy is gun but he isn't around due to fitness either.

Malan isn't as good as 2019 Roy, Malan is good but he's in the same overrated boat as babar is.

Their playing with an out of form team, same as Australia that's playing with an aged side. Looks good on paper but the reality is its not the same as the 2015-2019 days for these guys
 
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