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ICC World Cup 2023: Australia (399/8) smash Netherlands (90) to win Match 24 by 309 runs

How a cwc in asia and sena nations being dominant that’s because the pitches are flat in this CWC and most of the sena nations players play in ipl every year. Only few bd players and some sl players and no pak players in ipl. Advantage sena nations to begin with! Proper indian wicket of old would have favoured asian nations more.
 
Mas-LFC said:
Have some hope. SA are known to choke chasing. SA bowling is good early on with the new ball but these pitches are flat. get through the early spells and you’ll be fine. Got to bat first though.
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That was against a disciplined bowling side and a gun fielding side. Pakistan is neither of that.
 
Rana said:
This is a possible scenario if (a big if) Pakistan win all 4…

Australia: 6 wins (they might lose one to NZ or England)

South Africa: 6 wins (they might lose one to Pakistan or NZ)

New Zealand: 6 wins (they might lose two out of 3 to NZ, SA and Pakistan

England: 6 wins (they may win all of their matches from here on)

There are 3 teams that will challange for the 3rd and 4th spots

Pakistan cannot take nrr for granted
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your scenario is not possible as per the first sentence England will lose to Pak. NZ can’t lose to itself and they would have already lost to Pak again as per first sentence. And SA and NZ both can’t win as they have match against each other. 😂🙏
 
SportsWarrior said:
your scenario is not possible as per the first sentence England will lose to Pak. NZ can’t lose to itself and they would have already lost to Pak again as per first sentence. And SA and NZ both can’t win as they have match against each other. 😂🙏
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Yeah I know man. Pakistan team has got me confused like Babar’s captaincy
 
Nikhil_cric said:
PAK should win all matches and hope that one of the following happens

1. NZ and India also beat SA
2. OZ and SA also beat NZ
3. OZ lose to both NZ and ENG
4. India lose all upcoming matches

That's the only way to qualify. You don't qualify on NRR ahead of those teams. That is highly unlikely
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That's really accurate.

Pakistan cannot rely on 6 wins alone.
 
Travis head is coming back. Forget about OZ losing to anyone. If they are at their best they are going to run the table. Their only weakness is lack of 2nd specialist spinner
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Travis head is coming back. Forget about OZ losing to anyone. If they are at their best they are going to run the table. Their only weakness is lack of 2nd specialist spinner
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bowling is their weakness. imo Nz and eng will beat them
 
dravidthewall said:
It's more problem for India ..india has to face this Australia..who came in form right time. The confidance will give Australia they can beat any team on given day.
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The way they are playing, they might end as the 3rd ranked team. This mean we will face Newzealand in semis which will be more worry some 🥲
 
jnaveen1980 said:
That was against a disciplined bowling side and a gun fielding side. Pakistan is neither of that.
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That was a pure fluke by Dutch beating SA. SA just choked chasing that. Flukes can happen once a while. Netherlands bowling conceded 399 here. Pakistan is much better than what it’s shown so far. For me they just been too timid with the bat at top, better start will do them well. Need to have a dasher like Fakhar Zaman at top. And Babar needs to step up. Pak bowling still has quality than what’s it shown so far.
 
Rana said:
That was a different team. A different mindset. They were playing for the crest on their shirt. Not for their Twitter/instagram following
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You believe 2019 team is > 2023 team? Because If you do, then I agree with you.
 
Mas-LFC said:
That was a pure fluke by Dutch beating SA. SA just choked chasing that. Flukes can happen once a while. Netherlands bowling conceded 399 here. Pakistan is much better than what it’s shown so far. For me they just been too timid with the bat at top, better start will do them well. Need to have a dasher like Fakhar Zaman at top. And Babar needs to step up. Pak bowling still has quality than what’s it shown so far.
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They had strategies in place. They kept within the stumps with good pace variation. They cleverly used to open with off spinner and also used first change as an off spinner. Aryan dutt > Any Pakistan spinners. Pakistan will go with pace to attack them and play into the hands of QDK and co.
 
mominsaigol said:
You believe 2019 team is > 2023 team? Because If you do, then I agree with you.
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Man, is there any doubt?

How can anyone argue this team is better than the 2019 one?

You had a proper middle order and no fraud demanding to play in his favoured position, forcing others to bat out of position
 
Rana said:
Man, is there any doubt?

How can anyone argue this team is better than the 2019 one?

You had a proper middle order and no fraud demanding to play in his favoured position, forcing others to bat out of position
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Well mamoon disagreed. So I wanted your opinion cause imo you're so far the best analyst on this forumn.
 
2019 Pakistani team seemed spirited. It also had better players (Amir, Hafeez, Wahab, Imam etc.).

2023 team seems timid and unprepared. Spin department is undercooked.
 
sweep_shot said:
2019 Pakistani team seemed spirited. It also had better players (Amir, Hafeez, Wahab, Imam etc.).

2023 team seems timid and unprepared. Spin department is undercooked.
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Dont underestimate the difference between playing in a hostile nation in 2023 and in a country in 2019 which has pretty much the loudest Pakistani supporters in the world
 
mominsaigol said:
Well mamoon disagreed. So I wanted your opinion cause imo you're so far the best analyst on this forumn.
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Mamoon is Morgoth of PP. He was the first one to see the truth and spoke the truth. He can have altering views on some things but I do feel there is an element of reality in 99% of what he argues.

I personally would respectfully disagree with him on matters, he will not deny seeing the light once it is evident to him.
 
LongHorn said:
Dont underestimate the difference between playing in a hostile nation in 2023 and in a country in 2019 which has pretty much the loudest Pakistani supporters in the world
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It is not just that.

2019 team was simply better. It had Amir, Wahab, Hafeez, and Imad (all 4 were better than some of the current players).
 
LongHorn said:
Dont underestimate the difference between playing in a hostile nation in 2023 and in a country in 2019 which has pretty much the loudest Pakistani supporters in the world
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That doesn't really matter. The team was broken once Asia cup happened.

India broke the team and crushed it then and their. Since then the team under babar is broken beyond repair.

It isn't just a skill issue this time around. In 2019 India and other teams that beat us, it was due to them being superior skill wise.

In 2023 its skill but also due to the fact that Pakistan threw in the towel before the game began, their mentally shot completly. Their was some hope after the nedtherlands and Sri Lanka game, but India mentally shot them down again.

Besides bangaldesh that's even more down and out, I don't see us beating any team including England deapite England having a toothless bowling attack and has been out of form players. We aren't mentally in it. It's no longer a skills only issue
 
sweep_shot said:
2019 Pakistani team seemed spirited. It also had better players (Amir, Hafeez, Wahab, Imam etc.).

2023 team seems timid and unprepared. Spin department is undercooked.
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2019 pitches were absolutely dreadful for spinners. Spinners averaged 50 or something. Fast bowlers averaged around 30. England offered pitches that had nothing in it for spinners. 2023 world cup will have more spinners atleast in the coming days.
 
Rana said:
Mamoon is Morgoth of PP. He was the first one to see the truth and spoke the truth. He can have altering views on some things but I do feel there is an element of reality in 99% of what he argues.

I personally would respectfully disagree with him on matters, he will not deny seeing the light once it is evident to him.
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Wasn't disrespecting him, I wanted to see your opinion but I also agree with many things he states.

You and Mamoon are the 2 people who's posts I read and follow the most, And listen to, if theirs any question, I usually ask the 2 of you, due to your insane knowledge and foresight on the game
 
sweep_shot said:
It is not just that.

2019 team was simply better. It had Amir, Wahab, Hafeez, and Imad (all 4 were better than some of the current players).
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pak not picking Imad Wasim was bad decision imo. He is much better option than Mir and even Nawaz.
 
Australia net rr about to explode today 280+ win on here. With head and stonis back this team will be on a roll thats what I think. Head and stonis gives very good bowling options too
 
mominsaigol said:
Wasn't disrespecting him, I wanted to see your opinion but I also agree with many things he states.

You and Mamoon are the 2 people who's posts I read and follow the most, And listen to, if theirs any question, I usually ask the 2 of you, due to your insane knowledge and foresight on the game
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I appreciate it bro. I try to keep it blunt and simple, and as honest as I can.
 
Netherlands can go home happy. After all they brought down marauding South Africans something other teams are yet to do.
 
What a catch !

If Marsh can bowl a few overs, OZ should drop Green/Stoinis when Head comes back.

They have a LOT of options for combinations now.
 
Big Aussie win is not good for Pakistan.

That means Pakistan should need a massive win to reach Aussie NRR.
 
If this was a non SENA doing it, would be classified as minnow bashing. Nothing special from Oz to be honest, its expected to thrash NL.

Other than Maxwell doing Maxwell things (boom or bust), nothing more than a routine minnow bashing.
 
nish_mate said:
If this was a non SENA doing it, would be classified as minnow bashing. Nothing special from Oz to be honest, its expected to thrash NL.

Other than Maxwell doing Maxwell things (boom or bust), nothing more than a routine minnow bashing.
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Anyone can win against a "minnow". But, not all teams can get massive wins. Only a handful of teams can do that.
 
sweep_shot said:
Anyone can win against a "minnow". But, not all teams can get massive wins. Only a handful of teams can do that.
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My comment was directed at all those stating Oz is back etc. etc. not at any particular minnow team before you accuse me of being salty mate.
 
"70% of the time we don't know who will be top 4s. I have seen in the past teams coming from the bottom and winning the tournament" - Waqar (referring to 1992 miracle)
 
Netherlands are 69/5 after 15 overs
331 required at RRR of 9.49
 
A bit flat from the Dutch, expecting little more resistance as they are relatively better players of pace and this track is an absolute road, boundaries are also smaller.

I think, problem with most batting units including some Test playing teams is that they can’t see/calculate games these days for 50 overs period and loose crucial wickets. Often overwhelmed by big targets, can’t plan their innings in second innings.

Every one knows dew is coming and it’ll be significantly easier, wickets are also batting belter - yet yesterday we lost like 72/6, then went on to 233; Poms have done similar every time they chased, Aussies did that against SAF and SRL did that even batting first. 382 or 399 (twice) isn’t a target you can chase every day; but it’s a tournament cricket and there is a value of NRR. I believe, we could have reached 300 yesterday, Poms could have reduced margin by at least 150, or could have won against AFGs, SRL could have bat out PAK & even Australia; today Dutch could have brought the margin to two digit - batting first they scored 240+ (43) from 6/7 down inside 20 overs, then 260+ from 6 down inside 70 - so, ability is there, but these players are ruined by T20, can’t develop the maturity without playing FC cricket.
 
This match may not have helped Pakistan. But it sure helped Rauf. Now BDL has repalced Rauf as highest run machine.

Bas delee 306 runs
Haris Rauf 286 runs

Both competing with QDK/Rohit/Kohli
 
From here even if Ned gets 200, Aus will have more than 0.6 positive NRR. Now not only Pak has to win all their remaining matches, they have to win big. With NZ, SA and Eng they are unlikely to do it. mostly its gaya, ta ta, bye bye for Pakistan..
 
Just the match Australia needed to boost there net rr now all they have to do win next 3 matches and they play 2 matches against bd and Afghanistan no disrespect to those teams but will be a cake walk as now this Australian team looking really good and have the momentum
 
Mas-LFC said:
How a cwc in asia and sena nations being dominant that’s because the pitches are flat in this CWC and most of the sena nations players play in ipl every year. Only few bd players and some sl players and no pak players in ipl. Advantage sena nations to begin with! Proper indian wicket of old would have favoured asian nations more.
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Wrong - main reason is apart from India, Asian teams have declined massively over the years. PAK & SRL are a shed of their past, BD looked good last time because of the monumental effort from one player (scoring ~600 at 90/100+ stats that too from No. 3 in early English season, then being a spinner collecting among top wicket takers in an UK WC in June & he also missed the “soft” game against SRL …. Something like Viv & Murali in one package - take him out - it would have been cool 0-9), while AFGs had 0-9 last time, have beaten the two of the worst side of the tournament (and then lost to the worst team)…. Doesn’t speak much about Asian teams.

Without an odd bad day, India can win this cup with 11-0 run; SRL of 2000-2010, would have spun every non Asian team twice a day and PAK of 90s scored 330+ in that era on such tracks, then had two spinners by the name of Mush/Saq…, not to name the pacers with old ball.
 
No team would want to face Aussies in the SF's. They seem to have peaked at the right moment.
 
Aus know how to improve their net RR.
 
Aus NRR of 1.142. LOL at all those doomers who were predicting Australia demise. You never know even England can go on a similar winning streak. They have hte batsman to do it. Pak will need a miracle..
 
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