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ICC World Cup 2023: England v Pakistan | Match 44 | Kolkata | 11 November | Pre-Match Discussion

Which side will win the England vs Pakistan match in ICC World Cup 2023?

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This thread is all about the Pakistan vs England game bro. What does wasim akram, Magrath, Shami etc has to do with tomorrow's match.?
 
Babar Azam during the Pakistan vs. England Pre-game presser:

"We can't just go in and start firing blindly – we want that but with proper planning, how we want to play the first 10 overs, then the next 20 – how we have to achieve that target."

"There are a lot of things in this, like a partnership, which player will stay on the pitch for how long. If you ask me, I would say if Fakhar is in the match for 20 or 30 overs, we can achieve that. Then follow up with Rizwan, Iftikhar. We can do this and we have planned for this."​
 
BouncerGuy said:
Babar Azam during the Pakistan vs. England Pre-game presser:

"We can't just go in and start firing blindly – we want that but with proper planning, how we want to play the first 10 overs, then the next 20 – how we have to achieve that target."

"There are a lot of things in this, like a partnership, which player will stay on the pitch for how long. If you ask me, I would say if Fakhar is in the match for 20 or 30 overs, we can achieve that. Then follow up with Rizwan, Iftikhar. We can do this and we have planned for this."​
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lol looks like they will target 300 😂
 
BouncerGuy said:
Babar Azam during the Pakistan vs. England Pre-game presser:

"We can't just go in and start firing blindly – we want that but with proper planning, how we want to play the first 10 overs, then the next 20 – how we have to achieve that target."

"There are a lot of things in this, like a partnership, which player will stay on the pitch for how long. If you ask me, I would say if Fakhar is in the match for 20 or 30 overs, we can achieve that. Then follow up with Rizwan, Iftikhar. We can do this and we have planned for this."​
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Can someone put brain cells in babar
we dont care if u win or lose just attack from ball one if u get allout on 150 it is better than to just play slow and get to 320
 
Babar’s planning is simple play for 4 an over for 40 overs and expect ifti chachu to smack every ball
 
Amir said while speaking on Haarna Mana Hay:

"This 400-450 runs scenario is a possibility. It is possible in cricket. If we score 400 and get them out for 112 runs. If Fakhar bats [like he did against New Zealand] then [it is possible]. But [all of this] is only possible if we bat first,"
 
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England player Dawid Malan pre-match press conference ahead of Match against Pakistan tomorrow:


[Reporter:]

Heading into the final game of this campaign, what are your reflections really? It's been a pretty productive one for yourself, but you haven't got what you came for.

[Dawid Malan:]

Yeah, we haven't. You can talk about your personal form or runs or wickets, whatever it is but at the end of the day you want the team to do well and to win games of cricket and as a collective, we haven't been good enough and the proof is in the pudding, if you want to put it that way. We're seventh on the log, which isn't where we'd like to be at this stage of the tournament. We'd have hoped to come here pushing for a semi-final spot and preparing for that, but we just haven't been good enough.

[Reporter:]

Can you tell us about the sense of disappointment? This is a team that's gone deep in tournaments and been there at those big moments and you're going to be heading home while those big moments are playing out here in India. It's an unusual feeling for this team over the last few years.

[Dawid Malan:]

Yeah, I think there's massive disappointment and regret from us all that we haven't been able to perform as well as we would have as a team. We'd have loved to have been here at the business end and replicating what that fantastic team did in 2019 and what we did in the 2021-22 World Cup, I can't remember, 2020 World Cup, but it just hasn't been and I think as a group reflecting on it, we're extremely disappointed with that.

[Reporter:]

And just from a personal level, because your form is good, this team in all likelihood will begin the process of breaking up and some new blood will be brought in, can you tell us where you're at personally you haven't played as much international cricket or one-day cricket as some of the guys have. You know where's your motivation and hunger to be part of whatever that next chapter looks like?

[Dawid Malan:]

Yeah, I guess I'm in a unique situation being the second oldest in this team. I don't know what my future holds whether that be my choice or the team's choice. After this tournament probably, I have a bit of reflection time and see where I'm at and see what the future holds for me. Tomorrow could be the last game of cricket for England for me and it could still be the start of another journey. Who knows? We'll only find out when the dust settles.

[Reporter:]

But if it was your choice, wearing the shirt still means a lot to you?

[Dawid Malan:]

Yeah, definitely. Playing for England means everything for me. I've made no secret of that, I've always wanted to be part of this team and play for England for as long as I can but ultimately you get to a stage where you have to look a little bit further ahead and what's best for maybe the team and what's best for everything else so you know I guess there's decisions to be made over the next couple of days when the dust has settled and yeah, we'll see where we end up.

[Reporter:]

Just further on that, where do you feel you are in terms of physical and skill-wise when it comes to cricket? Do you think you've peaked or do you think you can actually be even better than you are at the moment?

[Dawid Malan:]

I guess from a physical side - the body's quite sore. I've got to admit it's been quite long. When you're winning games of cricket it doesn't feel as sore when you're losing it, you know it starts to feel a bit heavy, but from a batting point of view I feel like I'm playing as well as I've ever played. I don't think you know I'm getting worse if you want to put it that way yeah, I've had some quiet moments in the last year or so where I haven't scored as many runs that I've liked but when I have played well, I feel like I'm still as good as I've ever been, and I guess that desire to keep scoring as many runs as I can is always there it's just whether it's just whether you know the body can stay with that.

[Reporter:]

And if there is a rebuild after this, as it's likely to be, do you think you would have something to contribute to a rebuild?

[Dawid Malan:]

Yeah, if that's what they want, if they want experience around someone who's played quite a bit and played in the way that the team wants to play you know I'd love to still be around and do it but you know as I said when you get to this stage of being the second oldest it's usually them that go first regardless of results and that's part and parcel of the game.

[Reporter:]

The end for England, did you expect that sort of disaster end for England and what do you say about the match against Afghanistan?

And another question is this, Harry Brook, he played here in India, but he didn't live up to your expectation.

[Dawid Malan:]

No, I don’t think any of us did, to be honest I think we’re probably as shocked as everyone else that we’ve not lived up to the standard that we wanted to live up to and win games of cricket. For whatever reason we just haven't been good enough and we need to hold our hands up and take responsibility for that.

I saw Mo (Moeen Ali) said something that we hadn't seen it coming. You know, we'd still been playing good cricket as a team leading up to this. So, I don't think it was anything that was sort of showing over the last year or something like that. We just haven't performed as a group. The Afghanistan game, that was disappointing. I think if we look back and we reflect on that game we probably let them get maybe 30 runs too many and then with a bat we just didn't have any meaningful partnerships to be able to combat their spinners on that wicket which was disappointing because you know when you're chasing 280 or something even against a really good bowling attack you feel like you're in the game and same with when we played against Australia we felt like we were in the game and we just didn't get over the line which has probably been a hallmark of our performances this this tournament we haven't stayed in games long enough to win them. Which has always been a strength of this team is that someone's been there and done the hard yards to put us in a winning position so yeah, I hope that answers your question.

Harry Brook, yeah, he's a young player, I really feel for him. I feel like there's been so much pressure put on his shoulders, almost as if he was the saviour of English cricket. The poor kid is still learning his way and he's still trying to find his feet in international cricket and learn his game and hopefully he learns from this as well and from all the pressure that's been put on his shoulders and he can find a way to keep getting better because I think he's an exceptional talent and I can see him playing and I hope he plays 100 games for England across all formats of the game. And with anything, when you fail, no matter who you are, the quicker you learn from that, the better. Harry is one of the quickest learners I've seen as a young player and hopefully he can keep learning and hit those heights that we all know he's capable of achieving.

[Reporter:]

Tomorrow the defending champions will be up against the team who came into the World Cup as the number one side or probably the second number. So, what does that tell you about the sport in four years, how things can change, how do you look at this?

[Dawid Malan:]

Yeah, definitely. The sport changes quickly. It has a way of biting you in the backside. It creeps up on you quite quickly. And I guess, especially from our point of view, as I've said earlier, we're so disappointed in the fact that we are here playing against Pakistan at Eden Gardens and we're not in the race for it. It's disappointing. But we still have a lot to play for, we still have champions' trophies, I don't know if we have actually qualified for that or not yet, but we still need to put in a good performance and leave with a bit of pride, because it's hurting.

[Reporter:]

Considering that lots of English players are playing here in the Indian Premier League, you know our conditions, wicket very well. Considering that, we were expecting at least semi-final for England - last year’s champion, what is the three reasons?

[Dawid Malan:]

Three reasons?

Oh, I'm going to have to think now, you put me under pressure. Gosh, three reasons. Not enough runs, not enough wickets, whatever else.

Yeah, I think that's probably been the most disappointing thing for us, is that a lot of our players have had a lot of experience of playing in India and in the subcontinent. And, I guess, if you're looking in the hole, we've probably had a lot of our really big players struggle at the same time, which very rarely happens in a team. Usually, everyone sort of dovetails each other. And you have guys that are sort of putting a performance, you look at a trophy in general probably three or four contributions from a from a player in a trophy or in a franchise whatever you want to put it is a good performance and I guess we just haven't been consistent enough in putting in match-winning performances as individuals and that's all of us involved in that. I have no other third reason for it.

[Reporter:]

Obviously with the performances you start questioning your own performances in the last five games with the losses and also there is focus from outside from the fans from the press. So, in that situation what's the kind of mindset that you have within the team? There is always a threat that you will slip into desperation, so how do you guard against it? How do you focus on the cricket?

[Dawid Malan:]

Yeah, look, our message has always been the same. I know there's been a lot said in the press when players stand up here and we sort of say a couple of things that might come across quite differently but the message has always been the same we've always approached the game the same way we've always taken the positive option the positive option varies from different conditions to different conditions.

The boys have still believed and stayed true to that, even though it doesn't look like that always. Ultimately, you can talk as much as you want and you can put as much stuff into practice as you want. When you're out in the middle, you have to find a way of doing it. Yeah, I hope that answers your question.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Babar Azam during the Pakistan vs. England Pre-game presser:

"We can't just go in and start firing blindly – we want that but with proper planning, how we want to play the first 10 overs, then the next 20 – how we have to achieve that target."

"There are a lot of things in this, like a partnership, which player will stay on the pitch for how long. If you ask me, I would say if Fakhar is in the match for 20 or 30 overs, we can achieve that. Then follow up with Rizwan, Iftikhar. We can do this and we have planned for this."​
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Cheekh cheekh kar sara plan bataa do.
Kiddie captain
 
Somehow they need to get Haris and Abrar in:

Fakhar
Abdullah
Babar
Haris
Ifti
Saud
Rizwan
Afridi
Hassan
Abrar
Wasim Jnr
 
Babar inspecting the strip for tomorrow's game. Look's like a green surface

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BouncerGuy said:
Babar Azam during the Pakistan vs. England Pre-game presser:

"We can't just go in and start firing blindly – we want that but with proper planning, how we want to play the first 10 overs, then the next 20 – how we have to achieve that target."

"There are a lot of things in this, like a partnership, which player will stay on the pitch for how long. If you ask me, I would say if Fakhar is in the match for 20 or 30 overs, we can achieve that. Then follow up with Rizwan, Iftikhar. We can do this and we have planned for this."​
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They better make full use of the pp but if you're batting second game will be already over
 
Don't think England will give up that easily because they have to qualify for CT 2025. I expect them to fight hard.

But, nothing wrong with dreaming. Pakistan should give it a go.
 
sweep_shot said:
Don't think England will give up that easily because they have to qualify for CT 2025. I expect them to fight hard.

But, nothing wrong with dreaming. Pakistan should give it a go.
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England gave up their WC defence super easy, I would be surprised if they are motivated by a CT qualification spot when a WC SF spot was up for grabs!
 
another equation that is somewhat possible is we bowl eng out on 200 and chase it in 17 overs that is the only possibility that can be done
 
mikeypbadana86 said:
Eng has nothing at stake. England's stake is to ensure pak does not qualify. They may ensure to reach more than 113 to reduce margin of defeat below 287 gap, required.
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England have a champion trophy spot at stake. A big defeat will potentially push them below 8 in standings.
 
150 is in 3.4 overs.

It only goes uphill from there.

Chasing ends the game at toss.

Batting first is the only hope.
 
Mickey Arthur shared his thoughts before Pakistan's final match in this World Cup:

"If we go out, we are going to go out fighting and with a victory."

"We just want to play our best game. Bangladesh has been our only game where we have combined great batting bowling and fielding."

"There is pride to play for."

"If we are going to go out; we are going to go out in a blaze of glory."

"We’ve heard things about careers may be coming to an end; so those guys will want to play their best game tomorrow so that A) to put themselves in contention for selection going forward or B) If it is the end of the road for them, that they go out well."
 
hassan918 said:
Mickey Arthur shared his thoughts before Pakistan's final match in this World Cup:

"If we go out, we are going to go out fighting and with a victory."

"We just want to play our best game. Bangladesh has been our only game where we have combined great batting bowling and fielding."

"There is pride to play for."

"If we are going to go out; we are going to go out in a blaze of glory."

"We’ve heard things about careers may be coming to an end; so those guys will want to play their best game tomorrow so that A) to put themselves in contention for selection going forward or B) If it is the end of the road for them, that they go out well."
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The first line tells you all.

Mickey wants to first of all things ensure that Pakistan finishes on 10 points, same as New Zealand.
 
Want Pakistan to smash England with big win means england nrr suffers and maybe brings them out of top8?

But I feel Pak cricketers wont be as motivated. England would look to finish off with a win and will click into gear this match.

Predicting England to win.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Amir said while speaking on Haarna Mana Hay:

"This 400-450 runs scenario is a possibility. It is possible in cricket. If we score 400 and get them out for 112 runs. If Fakhar bats [like he did against New Zealand] then [it is possible]. But [all of this] is only possible if we bat first,"
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It is possible but the team need mentality of Fakhar Zaman. He's the only guy that approaches the modern day game correctly.

After the post match against New Zealand, Fakhar said it was his plan to see through 3-4 overs, settle himself and just go for it from there. Moreover he said he believed Pakistan would've chased the 402 runs target had it not rained.
 
All comes down to Fakhar tomorrow. We need him to score a double hundred and Pak will then reach 400-450.

England will come out hard to chase 400 and we can skittle them out.
 
Pakistan needs to target 500-600 runs. 2 sixes per over will get the job done.
 
Just imagine a nation getting knocked out of a World Cup if they lose the toss
 
Pak fans hope never dies untill no mathematical equation is left if there is slight chance everyone hopes.
If only our team cared that much we would have been in knockouts
 
Ali Active said:
Pak fans hope never dies untill no mathematical equation is left if there is slight chance everyone hopes.
If only our team cared that much we would have been in knockouts
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2 things cost us big.

Not scoring 310 vs SA and our worst ever ODI performance vs Afghanistan.

Australia was possible to win was a poor collapse to lose.
 
Anyone who feels Pakistan has the ability to score 450 runs against even street level team let alone Eng team is deluded and needs mental rehab.

For pride sake I want Pak to beat Eng, nothing else may be some.stat paddling like Fakhar scoring a brisk 100, Babar playing a captain innings Rauf to touch 100MPH barrier nothing else.
The probability of Eng scoring 450 against us is more than us scoring 300+
 
This game's all set up for being a complete damp squib with England winning comfortably and Pakistan's fans not even getting to enjoy a win over England...
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
2 things cost us big.

Not scoring 310 vs SA and our worst ever ODI performance vs Afghanistan.

Australia was possible to win was a poor collapse to lose.
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We should have won against afg and south africa
Aus would somehow always beat pakistan so i expected two defeats against
india and australia
all other games were winnable
Nz lost all the games
Against
India
australia
south africa
pakistan
but did well to beat the lower sides

U can just reach knockouts by playing smart and winning easy games. its not that difficult.
 
Shaka81 said:
This game's all set up for being a complete damp squib with England winning comfortably and Pakistan's fans not even getting to enjoy a win over England...
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knowing Pakistan they always win when there is nothing at stake
 
Let's see what happens.

Sadly for Pakistan this is not an ideal ground for putting up 400+ even if it's possible.
 
I REFUSE to watch the game tomorrow

What's the point when we have been screwed over by the Lankans?

I was hoping that PCB will request an inquiry commission into SL's World Cup campaign so they can seek a knockout style match with NZ for a semi final spot but looks like this won't be happening sadly.

Think this is me done with Pakistan cricket until the next World cup. No interest in watching pointless bilateral series.
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
I REFUSE to watch the game tomorrow

What's the point when we have been screwed over by the Lankans?

I was hoping that PCB will request an inquiry commission into SL's World Cup campaign so they can seek a knockout style match with NZ for a semi final spot but looks like this won't be happening sadly.

Think this is me done with Pakistan cricket until the next World cup. No interest in watching pointless bilateral series.
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Make sure they don't investigate the Lankans too hard or they may take our two points and world cup record chase away from us too!
 
Look its not going to happen.

But they can at least try and be hopeful in private.

Message needs to come from chairman pcb down to coaches, captain and seniors.

Try and be heroes. If you fail we won't judge you on this game alone.

We also aint going through by utilising 5 bowlers who will bowl their 10 quota. Our strategy needs to be to bat first and then aim to bowl them out within 30 overs gor a low score.

So we need to stack with batsmen.

Fakhar
Abdullah
Babar
Saud
Riz
Chacha
Shadab ( better 'batsman' than Usama nawaz and Imam atm)
Agha
Shaheen
Wasim
Hassan Ali

The pitch looks like a green mamba. Hassan will be more effective than Haris if we aim to bowl a side out within 30 overs.

Discretely the PCB should offer a cash reward if we cross 400.
 
Pakistan might as well pick 9 batsmen and 2 specialist bowlers

They can only score 400+ if they get two 100-200 run partnerships
 
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