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ICC World Cup 2023: The Netherlands (229) inflict an embarrassing 87-run defeat over Bangladesh (142)
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Netherlands have achieved in a short time what Bangladesh unable to achieve since inception.
Bravo orange team !!!
Bravo orange team !!!
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Netherlands are playing cricket longer than Bangladesh actually. They joined ICC in 1966.
Also, they debuted in World Cup earlier than BD (Netherlands played in 1996 WC).
They somehow couldn't earn the Test status. I think they should get it now.
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Bangladeshi fans should boycott, revolt, do something to shake up things.
They shouldn't. Tests are already boring without top 4 teams. WI is already a joke. SL is subpar. They need to make tests a 4 day affair with 90 overs each day. No draws and teams with highest aggregate runs win. Teams need to earn their test status after they show performance in foreign domestic leagues. I recommend these teams play in domestic leagues of top 4. One year in India's ranji league. The next year in Sheffield sheld, the next year in county cricket etc. It should be on a rotational basis. This should be the case for every team that isn't in top 6 or 7 test rankings
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Shakib got roasted in his presser, it seems:
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28 October - Kolkata - Bangladesh Captain Shakib Al Hasan post-match press conference
[Reporter:]
More than the Dutch winning today, you people have lost the match.
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
Yes, I agree with you 100%. I can't deny that. I thought we were sloppy in the field, we bowled brilliantly. Throughout this tournament we have not been batting the way we know we can bat. That's been a big concern. And today was another day where we totally, I thought, gave Dutch the two points. It's hard to swallow. It is very difficult to digest, but these things can happen in cricket. Should give a lot of credit the way Dutch I think they bowled. They were very disciplined and we played some poor shots.
[Reporter:]
Your cricketers just surrendered the game. Why? What's the reason behind it?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
I don't know. I don't know what's going on. As a batting unit, I thought if you asked me to summarize our six match, especially with the bat, we were very poor. Other than Mahmudullah Riyad and Mushfiqur Rahim, I thought they played well. But all other batsmen, we are not up to the mark. The way we know we can play, I thought we are way short of our caliber.
[Reporter:]
In pre-match press conference, Taskin had said that there is nothing for the bowlers in the Indian pitches. So do you think that - what is wrong behind this? Because what's going wrong with your team? Because Taskin had already said that there is no advantage for bowlers in the Indian soil. But every other countries are bowling well and doing good. So what do you think as a captain?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
I thought we are way short of our confidence. We were here with high expectations. We couldn't meet up with our expectations and from there on I thought we are struggling with our confidence in both departments, but today I thought we bowled really well after losing the toss the kind of start we wanted we got it. We were sloppy the field and as I said we could have restricted them 170 - 180 probably. But having said that 230 here against Netherlands bowling, we should chase that total.
So, very disappointing the way we played throughout this World Cup so far.
[Reporter:]
Bangladesh's Semi-final hope just finished. From here how can the team come back or what's your plan for the future?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
Honestly speaking it's very difficult to turn around from here. But since we have 3 more matches, we still have chances. As I said, it would be very difficult but we have to try. There really isn't much we can do but try. As I said, if we can forget today's things and focus on the upcoming match, it would be very good for us. Although it's very difficult to do that because of the situation we are in now, it's really difficult to come back from there.
[Reporter:]
One more thing, there's a lot of debate going on about you recently, about your returning home and your form (performance). Even many Bangladeshi supporters were cheering after the match. So, how do you see these things?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
It's disappointing. But they actually expect something good. So, naturally, if that doesn't happen, they also have the right to say as they like. So, I don't have any complaints about them. I think the way we played, we deserve this.
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
I can't answer this question. If I could, we would have played it better. I don't have the answer to the question.
[Reporter:]
You said one thing some days before during the Asia Cup that you have won the last 3 matches in all the previous World Cups, and you didn't feel that it was a good performance in any of them. If we consider this World Cup till today, will it be the worst World Cup in Bangladesh's history?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
Yes, you can definitely say that and I won't disagree with that.
[Reporter:]
You said in an interview before the World Cup that when you were given the captaincy, it was not the ideal time. I mean, you didn't have enough time. Do you think Bangladesh was not able to come to the World Cup with the right preparation? Or was it not the right preparation? There was something wrong there.
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
Yes, we were very underprepared. But now actually giving these excuses will not help much. But obviously, we were underprepared.
[Reporter:]
The World Cup journey for Bangladesh has started since 1999. So, it's been 24 years. We can't play in the semi-finals even after two 2 decades just passed. How can we do that? Where do we have to work?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
It's hard to say. You might be asking the wrong person. If I were to say, there would be a chance if we made a lot of changes. But I don't think it's the right time to say that now. I think so. As you said we have not been able to play the semifinals for 24 years. It's definitely disappointing. At least the way the people of our country like cricket, the way everyone is focused on cricket, we should have done better than this.
[Reporter:]
In the last 3-4 years, Bangladesh has been doing well in One Day Cricket. Bangladesh was in the top three in the One-Day Super League. We also had a couple of series wins. Then we built confidence. That confidence didn't reflect here. Is this a fact the confidence that built up in the last three or four years was wrong?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
No, if you win a match, confidence definitely comes into the team. No matter where you are or what country you are in. We weren't doing well in One Day Cricket for the last few months. So, lost in our home ground against England and Afghanistan. We won 2 series against Ireland. So, maybe we didn't come into that tough situation where we would've had more chances to face challenges. We didn't perform that well in the Asia Cup. If you just exclude the last Indian match, it was a disappointing Asia Cup. And along with that if you exclude the match against Afghanistan, then we underperformed. I don't think we were as bad a team as we performed. It could be the World Cup atmosphere, everyone has high expectations, and it could be a combination of all. There could be many things but we need to find out. And if we work accordingly, maybe something good can happen in the future.
[Reporter:]
You said a little while ago that the possibilities are not completely exhausted. Can you tell me how the possibilities are still alive in the World Cup? [cross-talk]
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
I mean, not the Semi-final hope. It is not a semi-final possibility. At least, do a little better. Suppose, you have to be in the ranking 8 if you want to play in the Champions Trophy. So, there are still 3 matches left considering that in mind. Although as I said earlier, it is difficult to come back in such a situation. It will be tough for us. But actually, we can't say anything until the game is over. We have to try and the 15 of us have to try so that we can change these things. I am saying it again, it's difficult, but we have no other option but to try this thing.
[Reporter:]
You said there was a little lack of confidence in the team. From what point or after which game, you thought there was a lack of confidence in the team in the World Cup? And the second question is Mahamudullah made a century in the last match after he came at number 6, today he came at 7. What is the reason behind it? What is the reason behind such changes?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
See, we are such a team which has a lot of limitations. If you talk about batting or bowling, we don't feel comfortable bowling at different times, we don't feel comfortable batting at different positions, and we don't feel comfortable facing different bowlers. So We have to adjust a lot. That's why we have to shuffle the batting order. I prefer that everyone will go to their respective places and perform. Actually, if everyone performed in their respective places, then it wouldn't matter much. I said this earlier in the press conference, the day before the match against South Africa, if we could bat well at the top order, the real role that Riyad and Mushfiqur had, the role that we had thought about before coming to the World Cup, that would have been perfect. The form that Riyad had, would have been a perfect platform for us. But I don't disagree with what you said. Maybe the way Riyad is batting, maybe if he would have come to the top order it would be good for our team. But actually, if I were to exclude Riyad, I would say that Mushfiq has batted well overall. But the rest of us were very disappointed. We were disappointed by our performance.
[Reporter:]
The fall of Bangladesh's (performance) we are seeing in the World Cup, do you think it's because of the short-sightedness of the selectors that we are suffering?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
See, it would not be right to blame anyone. Whatever the 15 players we have, we are a better team than this. I do believe this. We couldn't do anything remarkable. So from that point, our performance is very disappointing. And I am sure that everyone in the dressing room will agree that we couldn't do anything that we are capable of.
[Reporter:]
As you cannot find the reason behind such performance, that's why there are a lot of discussions, and we are also trying to find out. The controversy that we had just before coming to the World Cup about Tamim and your comment where you said many unpleasant truths, even if they are true, was very unpleasant. That person was the captain of the team for two and a half years. Certainly, he has some followers in the team. Do you think it has had any effect on the team?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
It can have an effect, nothing unusual.
Actually, it's difficult to say what's in the mind of the individual. But I don't disagree with what you're saying. It can have an effect.
[Reporter:]
I am saying that the build-up that was happening, why do the World Cup plans not match with that?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
See, naturally when you change the coach 5-6 months before the World Cup, or when you change the captain before a World Cup tournament, it is very natural that everything will change again. It is very difficult to keep the same plan. Now, the plan can be good or bad, but everyone has a different plan. It is very normal. If you are in my place, your point of view will be different. I am here, so I have a different point of view, the coach will have a different point of view. The previous coach had a different point of view, the previous captain had a different point of view. So, these things actually vary from person to person. Which is right or wrong can be determined after the result actually. But it's actually difficult that the way we came, why could we make that. It's difficult for me to say.
[Reporter:]
You are playing Pakistan next at this venue. Pakistan are coming off a narrow defeat against South Africa. What are you expecting of the match and from a side like Pakistan?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
We have to pick ourselves up first of all. At this moment we are not in a situation to think about the opposition. We have to just play the way we know we can play. We have to motivate ourselves. There is no other option at this moment. We have three more matches that we have to play. And if we can give something back to the people of Bangladesh, that will be great. So that's what we can think of at this moment.
==
28 October - Kolkata - Bangladesh Captain Shakib Al Hasan post-match press conference
[Reporter:]
More than the Dutch winning today, you people have lost the match.
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
Yes, I agree with you 100%. I can't deny that. I thought we were sloppy in the field, we bowled brilliantly. Throughout this tournament we have not been batting the way we know we can bat. That's been a big concern. And today was another day where we totally, I thought, gave Dutch the two points. It's hard to swallow. It is very difficult to digest, but these things can happen in cricket. Should give a lot of credit the way Dutch I think they bowled. They were very disciplined and we played some poor shots.
[Reporter:]
Your cricketers just surrendered the game. Why? What's the reason behind it?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
I don't know. I don't know what's going on. As a batting unit, I thought if you asked me to summarize our six match, especially with the bat, we were very poor. Other than Mahmudullah Riyad and Mushfiqur Rahim, I thought they played well. But all other batsmen, we are not up to the mark. The way we know we can play, I thought we are way short of our caliber.
[Reporter:]
In pre-match press conference, Taskin had said that there is nothing for the bowlers in the Indian pitches. So do you think that - what is wrong behind this? Because what's going wrong with your team? Because Taskin had already said that there is no advantage for bowlers in the Indian soil. But every other countries are bowling well and doing good. So what do you think as a captain?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
I thought we are way short of our confidence. We were here with high expectations. We couldn't meet up with our expectations and from there on I thought we are struggling with our confidence in both departments, but today I thought we bowled really well after losing the toss the kind of start we wanted we got it. We were sloppy the field and as I said we could have restricted them 170 - 180 probably. But having said that 230 here against Netherlands bowling, we should chase that total.
So, very disappointing the way we played throughout this World Cup so far.
[Reporter:]
Bangladesh's Semi-final hope just finished. From here how can the team come back or what's your plan for the future?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
Honestly speaking it's very difficult to turn around from here. But since we have 3 more matches, we still have chances. As I said, it would be very difficult but we have to try. There really isn't much we can do but try. As I said, if we can forget today's things and focus on the upcoming match, it would be very good for us. Although it's very difficult to do that because of the situation we are in now, it's really difficult to come back from there.
[Reporter:]
One more thing, there's a lot of debate going on about you recently, about your returning home and your form (performance). Even many Bangladeshi supporters were cheering after the match. So, how do you see these things?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
It's disappointing. But they actually expect something good. So, naturally, if that doesn't happen, they also have the right to say as they like. So, I don't have any complaints about them. I think the way we played, we deserve this.
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
I can't answer this question. If I could, we would have played it better. I don't have the answer to the question.
[Reporter:]
You said one thing some days before during the Asia Cup that you have won the last 3 matches in all the previous World Cups, and you didn't feel that it was a good performance in any of them. If we consider this World Cup till today, will it be the worst World Cup in Bangladesh's history?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
Yes, you can definitely say that and I won't disagree with that.
[Reporter:]
You said in an interview before the World Cup that when you were given the captaincy, it was not the ideal time. I mean, you didn't have enough time. Do you think Bangladesh was not able to come to the World Cup with the right preparation? Or was it not the right preparation? There was something wrong there.
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
Yes, we were very underprepared. But now actually giving these excuses will not help much. But obviously, we were underprepared.
[Reporter:]
The World Cup journey for Bangladesh has started since 1999. So, it's been 24 years. We can't play in the semi-finals even after two 2 decades just passed. How can we do that? Where do we have to work?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
It's hard to say. You might be asking the wrong person. If I were to say, there would be a chance if we made a lot of changes. But I don't think it's the right time to say that now. I think so. As you said we have not been able to play the semifinals for 24 years. It's definitely disappointing. At least the way the people of our country like cricket, the way everyone is focused on cricket, we should have done better than this.
[Reporter:]
In the last 3-4 years, Bangladesh has been doing well in One Day Cricket. Bangladesh was in the top three in the One-Day Super League. We also had a couple of series wins. Then we built confidence. That confidence didn't reflect here. Is this a fact the confidence that built up in the last three or four years was wrong?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
No, if you win a match, confidence definitely comes into the team. No matter where you are or what country you are in. We weren't doing well in One Day Cricket for the last few months. So, lost in our home ground against England and Afghanistan. We won 2 series against Ireland. So, maybe we didn't come into that tough situation where we would've had more chances to face challenges. We didn't perform that well in the Asia Cup. If you just exclude the last Indian match, it was a disappointing Asia Cup. And along with that if you exclude the match against Afghanistan, then we underperformed. I don't think we were as bad a team as we performed. It could be the World Cup atmosphere, everyone has high expectations, and it could be a combination of all. There could be many things but we need to find out. And if we work accordingly, maybe something good can happen in the future.
[Reporter:]
You said a little while ago that the possibilities are not completely exhausted. Can you tell me how the possibilities are still alive in the World Cup? [cross-talk]
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
I mean, not the Semi-final hope. It is not a semi-final possibility. At least, do a little better. Suppose, you have to be in the ranking 8 if you want to play in the Champions Trophy. So, there are still 3 matches left considering that in mind. Although as I said earlier, it is difficult to come back in such a situation. It will be tough for us. But actually, we can't say anything until the game is over. We have to try and the 15 of us have to try so that we can change these things. I am saying it again, it's difficult, but we have no other option but to try this thing.
[Reporter:]
You said there was a little lack of confidence in the team. From what point or after which game, you thought there was a lack of confidence in the team in the World Cup? And the second question is Mahamudullah made a century in the last match after he came at number 6, today he came at 7. What is the reason behind it? What is the reason behind such changes?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
See, we are such a team which has a lot of limitations. If you talk about batting or bowling, we don't feel comfortable bowling at different times, we don't feel comfortable batting at different positions, and we don't feel comfortable facing different bowlers. So We have to adjust a lot. That's why we have to shuffle the batting order. I prefer that everyone will go to their respective places and perform. Actually, if everyone performed in their respective places, then it wouldn't matter much. I said this earlier in the press conference, the day before the match against South Africa, if we could bat well at the top order, the real role that Riyad and Mushfiqur had, the role that we had thought about before coming to the World Cup, that would have been perfect. The form that Riyad had, would have been a perfect platform for us. But I don't disagree with what you said. Maybe the way Riyad is batting, maybe if he would have come to the top order it would be good for our team. But actually, if I were to exclude Riyad, I would say that Mushfiq has batted well overall. But the rest of us were very disappointed. We were disappointed by our performance.
[Reporter:]
The fall of Bangladesh's (performance) we are seeing in the World Cup, do you think it's because of the short-sightedness of the selectors that we are suffering?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
See, it would not be right to blame anyone. Whatever the 15 players we have, we are a better team than this. I do believe this. We couldn't do anything remarkable. So from that point, our performance is very disappointing. And I am sure that everyone in the dressing room will agree that we couldn't do anything that we are capable of.
[Reporter:]
As you cannot find the reason behind such performance, that's why there are a lot of discussions, and we are also trying to find out. The controversy that we had just before coming to the World Cup about Tamim and your comment where you said many unpleasant truths, even if they are true, was very unpleasant. That person was the captain of the team for two and a half years. Certainly, he has some followers in the team. Do you think it has had any effect on the team?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
It can have an effect, nothing unusual.
Actually, it's difficult to say what's in the mind of the individual. But I don't disagree with what you're saying. It can have an effect.
[Reporter:]
I am saying that the build-up that was happening, why do the World Cup plans not match with that?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
See, naturally when you change the coach 5-6 months before the World Cup, or when you change the captain before a World Cup tournament, it is very natural that everything will change again. It is very difficult to keep the same plan. Now, the plan can be good or bad, but everyone has a different plan. It is very normal. If you are in my place, your point of view will be different. I am here, so I have a different point of view, the coach will have a different point of view. The previous coach had a different point of view, the previous captain had a different point of view. So, these things actually vary from person to person. Which is right or wrong can be determined after the result actually. But it's actually difficult that the way we came, why could we make that. It's difficult for me to say.
[Reporter:]
You are playing Pakistan next at this venue. Pakistan are coming off a narrow defeat against South Africa. What are you expecting of the match and from a side like Pakistan?
[Shakib Al Hasan:]
We have to pick ourselves up first of all. At this moment we are not in a situation to think about the opposition. We have to just play the way we know we can play. We have to motivate ourselves. There is no other option at this moment. We have three more matches that we have to play. And if we can give something back to the people of Bangladesh, that will be great. So that's what we can think of at this moment.
Bangladesh did not even come anywhere close to the target. When Australia played New Zealand in the same venue, Australia scored 388 (higher than England score) still New Zealand came close to the total (383). It shows that it is the batting ability, rather than the pitch, that mattered in this venue.
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BCB President Nazmul Hassan's reaction following Bangladesh's unexpected loss to the Netherlands:
"After speaking to them, I thought they were mentally down."
"There's not much to do or say during a World Cup. We can't make a big change in such a tournament. We have to ensure that the players take on the next three matches courageously. They must believe in themselves. Otherwise they will be continue to be tentative and confused in their shot selection."
"We can't expect every player to do well in every game. There's one or two players who won't score runs. It is quite a normal thing in cricket. Unfortunately, we have our top four or five out of form. I haven't seen this before at this level. It is totally unexpected."
"We are not batting well. I told them to fight back. They must tell us what they need, and suggest what should be done. They have given me their word that they will sit together. They look serious to me that they want to perform. They have to be courageous."
"Yesterday's result was unthinkable."
"I spoke to a number of players individually today, to ask them what they are lacking, whether we can do anything for them. I spoke to Shakib, Litton [Das] and [Mehidy Hasan] Miraz individually, and Mushfiq [Mushfiqur Rahim] and [Mahmudullah] Riyad together. I asked them to speak openly. They all said that not getting runs is the problem. They don't know why this is happening. If your top five doesn't score, you won't do well."
"They told me that they are all united but they are stunned by their own form. They said that they are also disappointed at hurting their fans who are so passionate. They are the superstars of our country. They have built a long career. They are not getting runs, which is not acceptable to them too. There will be criticism of the players, coaches and board. I personally believe they can play better cricket."
"There's not much to do or say during a World Cup. We can't make a big change in such a tournament. We have to ensure that the players take on the next three matches courageously"
"After speaking to them, I thought they were mentally down."
"There's not much to do or say during a World Cup. We can't make a big change in such a tournament. We have to ensure that the players take on the next three matches courageously. They must believe in themselves. Otherwise they will be continue to be tentative and confused in their shot selection."
"We can't expect every player to do well in every game. There's one or two players who won't score runs. It is quite a normal thing in cricket. Unfortunately, we have our top four or five out of form. I haven't seen this before at this level. It is totally unexpected."
"We are not batting well. I told them to fight back. They must tell us what they need, and suggest what should be done. They have given me their word that they will sit together. They look serious to me that they want to perform. They have to be courageous."
"Yesterday's result was unthinkable."
"I spoke to a number of players individually today, to ask them what they are lacking, whether we can do anything for them. I spoke to Shakib, Litton [Das] and [Mehidy Hasan] Miraz individually, and Mushfiq [Mushfiqur Rahim] and [Mahmudullah] Riyad together. I asked them to speak openly. They all said that not getting runs is the problem. They don't know why this is happening. If your top five doesn't score, you won't do well."
"They told me that they are all united but they are stunned by their own form. They said that they are also disappointed at hurting their fans who are so passionate. They are the superstars of our country. They have built a long career. They are not getting runs, which is not acceptable to them too. There will be criticism of the players, coaches and board. I personally believe they can play better cricket."
"There's not much to do or say during a World Cup. We can't make a big change in such a tournament. We have to ensure that the players take on the next three matches courageously"
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