If Aamer Yamin is not given a chance in the final ODI, he might as well pack up and go back home

[Sherlock]

Feel for the guy. He's been in so many squads, hardly picked and now looks to miss out on another game because our coaching staff think Amir/Raees have done better than they actually have.

Surely this is the the best chance to blood him into the side?

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Should be picked instead of Raees for the last ODI.

 

[mhraja]

He should be in for Mohammed Amir who to be very honest doesn't look much motivated anyways.

 

[Syed1]

The likes of [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] would have us believe that Mickey Arthur loves to induct young blood, well the reality is completely opposite.

 

[shokz1408]

How bad is it that he's not been tried even after we have been destroyed by NZ, he should have come in at the latest by the 4th odi.

If they don't pick him for 5th, feel really bad for him, I mean seriously if 4-0 down is not a time to see him then there never will be a good time.

 

[Savak]

He is in the T-20 squad so has another 4 games to go.

 

[BlueDoritos]

Deserved at least a couple of ODIs. Hopefully he'll play in place of Malik now.

 

[BlueDoritos]

If Faheem is opening then Yamin, Shadab and Talat can be good lower order batsmen for the ODIs.

 

[Syed1]

Now imagine if Yamin comes and picks up 2/3 wickets and smashes a quick fire 50. Won't Mickey and Sarfaraz feel stupid.

 

[BlueDoritos]

Now imagine if Yamin comes and picks up 2/3 wickets and smashes a quick fire 50. Won't Mickey and Sarfaraz feel stupid.

Definitely deserves a run of games.
Yamin and Talat type of players are essential for Pakistan team in all formats.

 

[Pete Rose]

should certainly play him today, but theoretically makes the batting thinner if he comes in place of a batsman. It would take a brave captain to play an allrounder in place of a batsman in a team where the batting has backfired spectacularly in four successive matches.

 

[Syed1]

should certainly play him today, but theoretically makes the batting thinner if he comes in place of a batsman. It would take a brave captain to play an allrounder in place of a batsman in a team where the batting has backfired spectacularly in four successive matches.

Yamin is probably a better batsman than Hafeez.... I think he plays at number three in domestic ODIs, but Hafeez has locked down his spot till 2023 and beyond due to his 80 the other day

 

[Sherlock]

He is in the T-20 squad so has another 4 games to go.

T20s aren't something to gauge a player's ability. Any bowler can get hammered. He really shouldn't be judged by T20s. They should've played him after the lost the ODIs.

Pathetic decision making.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Feel for the guy. He's been in so many squads, hardly picked and now looks to miss out on another game because our coaching staff think Amir/Raees have done better than they actually have.

Surely this is the the best chance to blood him into the side?

Faheem Ashraf hasn't done anything of note either. Should be played in Faheem's spot

 

[Sherlock]

Faheem Ashraf hasn't done anything of note either. Should be played in Faheem's spot

I've had an issue with Faheem's bowling since his debut. He's not a very good bowler, in my opinion. His batting is good when you need a target and quick runs. I wouldn't blame his batting as much but more-so his bowling.

 

[Hamstead_joy]

There are 3-4 senior players in this squad who can be replaced by a very deserving Yamin. Its a blessing in disguise for him to miss the series as it has been horrible for the Pakistan teamEven if he is not playing , he is getting an allowance, trip to enjoy the scenery of one of the most beautiful nations, gaining some relevant international experience, etc...
.
I might be wrong I think it looks like he has become collateral damage between some political factionalism game going on between the Chief Selector and the Team Management. Team management wants to defend their camp they trust likes of Imad Wasim and Chief selector Inzamam has been supporting his own camp where all the non-performing seniors reside and get selected despite poor performances and replaced by same batch people like Salman Butt and Akmals.

Arthur have no say in the squad where Inzamam has pushed in his favorites like his 36 averaging nephew Imam and Shehzad, and still trying to find a way to get Salman Butt and one Akmal back in the team. Inzamam would've known Yamin won't get a game so he picked him to alternate for the bowling lineup and no batting to replace the middle order.

 

[Railu Katta]

He should have played last game in place of Faheem or malik. I doubt they will give him any game now. Maybe last t20 if we fail miserably in the first 2.

 

[Hasan123]

Could play in place of Hafeez but it won't happen hence my 11 in the pre game thread not including Yamin.

 

[ManFan]

I've had an issue with Faheem's bowling since his debut. He's not a very good bowler, in my opinion. His batting is good when you need a target and quick runs. I wouldn't blame his batting as much but more-so his bowling.

Except his bowing has been MUCH better than his batting since he debuted. He has not gotten a proper chance to finish a game apart from the Home T20 against SL. His bowling has been the most disciplined out of all the bowlers this series. He has troubled Williamson the most by sticking to a good length around that 5th stump line.

 

[Sherlock]

Except his bowing has been MUCH better than his batting since he debuted. He has not gotten a proper chance to finish a game apart from the Home T20 against SL. His bowling has been the most disciplined out of all the bowlers this series. He has troubled Williamson the most by sticking to a good length around that 5th stump line.

His bowling hasn't been disciplined. It may look that way because other other bowlers have been so poor.

 

[Sherlock]

Good to see he's finally getting his chance. But a one-off game isn't enough.

 

[Markhor]

This is why Yamin wasn't picked - his bowling is utterly ordinary. He gets spanked even in domestic.

His batting is his strength but is it really good enough to be picked ahead of a specialist batsman, is a better batting AR like Hussain Talat ?

 

[Markhor]

See this is why you don't just hand out Pakistan caps like pieces of jalebi.

No need to debut players for the sake of it - you should ALREADY know that player's capabilities.

Most folks on here knew Yamin wasn't an international quality bowler and is only good for 2-3 overs max yet he's taking the new ball anyway.

 

[bujhee kom]

This was the hidden gem?
)

Pure trash. Trundler.

 

[SM1989]

Poor show from Yamin. Taken to the cleaners so far.

 

[Syed1]

See this is why you don't just hand out Pakistan caps like pieces of jalebi.

No need to debut players for the sake of it - you should ALREADY know that player's capabilities.

Most folks on here knew Yamin wasn't an international quality bowler and is only good for 2-3 overs max yet he's taking the new ball anyway.

Well your beloved Inzi didn't select another pacer did he?

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Nobody said he's an opening bowler.

 

[Hiraeth]

This was the hidden gem?
)

Pure trash. Trundler.

Lol, chill... he’s a batting all-rounder.

 

[Lynx]

He managed to pick up Williamson. More than Amir can say this series.

 

[Savak]

Amir did wonders with his 136-140 km/hr bowling.

 

[aloo paratha]

Who in the management thinks this guy should be opening the bowling AND bowling in the death???

 

[Rana]

This is why I hate it when people are constantly hyping up someone that has not been selected and demean the players who are playing. For so long all I read on PP is YAMIN, HARRIS,YAMIN,HARRIS,YAMIN, HARRIS.

This is the Yamin we were begging for?!?! How is this an improvement to anything that Pakistan already has?

 

[ManFan]

This is why I hate it when people are constantly hyping up someone that has not been selected and demean the players who are playing. For so long all I read on PP is YAMIN, HARRIS,YAMIN,HARRIS,YAMIN, HARRIS.

This is the Yamin we were begging for?!?! How is this an improvement to anything that Pakistan already has?

And Haris? You know. The guy who got a 50 and a wicket for 29 runs in 6 overs in his first ODI in what? 3 years?
As far Yamin, when your board does jack about your pitches in your premier domestic first class tournament, the bowlers suddenly become Superman. If he didn’t get selected, you would see a lot of people crying about nepotism. Even the PCB select on merit, it’s flawed.

 

[ManFan]

When the PCB*

 

[Railu Katta]

This is why I hate it when people are constantly hyping up someone that has not been selected and demean the players who are playing. For so long all I read on PP is YAMIN, HARRIS,YAMIN,HARRIS,YAMIN, HARRIS.

This is the Yamin we were begging for?!?! How is this an improvement to anything that Pakistan already has?

He's a batting all rounder and not a bowling all rounder like Faheem. He has a better technique and bats better than many of our senior tailenders. It's one match and the knives are out. What about Babar the superstar who has been worse than a tailender this series.

 

[Rana]

And Haris? You know. The guy who got a 50 and a wicket for 29 runs in 6 overs in his first ODI in what? 3 years?

OK, but so what??? 50 off 80, against New Zealand who chase scores under 280 for fun....so what?? What was so special? If Someone like Malik got himself in, he would do the same and maybe at a better pace. Nothing changes, nothing improves, it makes no difference if he scores that 50 off 70 or 80 or if Azhar did that for him another day. These bench warmers are not clear, clear imrovements

 

[GLORY OF '92]

End of the day got Williamson and bowled a great last over. Done his job.

 

[Rana]

He's a batting all rounder and not a bowling all rounder like Faheem. He has a better technique and bats better than many of our senior tailenders. It's one match and the knives are out. What about Babar the superstar who has been worse than a tailender this series.

OK so according to some posters, he is penciled in at number 10 today. He is a batting all-rounder,, who can open the bowling but will bat at 10.

Im already losing patience with this kid

 

[Rana]

End of the day got Williamson and bowled a great last over. Done his job.

Very poor standards im afraid. The job is never done for any player until he sees his team home.

The williamson wicket was a soft dismissal on the part of Kane, not any skill by Yamin

 

[ManFan]

OK, but so what??? 50 off 80, against New Zealand who chase scores under 280 for fun....so what?? What was so special? If Someone like Malik got himself in, he would do the same and maybe at a better pace. Nothing changes, nothing improves, it makes no difference if he scores that 50 off 70 or 80 or if Azhar did that for him another day. These bench warmers are not clear, clear imrovements

Yeah Malik, the guy who after nearly 20 years of international experience has a sub 20 average in NZ. Haris scores a fifty which no one in the team apart from FZ was able to do. And this was after 3 years of absence in limited cricket and 2 1/2 from international cricket. Was it at a slow strike rate? Absolutely. But he was at least able to score a 50 off 73 balls and take 6-29-1 which is more than Malik or Hafeez have done in the last two series.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Very poor standards im afraid. The job is never done for any player until he sees his team home.

The williamson wicket was a soft dismissal on the part of Kane, not any skill by Yamin

Well I don't think you understand the point. He is mainly a batter. As a bowler I think he did an ok job.

 

[Rana]

Yeah Malik, the guy who after nearly 20 years of international experience has a sub 20 average in NZ. Haris scores a fifty which no one in the team apart from FZ was able to do. And this was after 3 years of absence in limited cricket and 2 1/2 from international cricket. Was it at a slow strike rate? Absolutely. But he was at least able to score a 50 off 73 balls and take 6-29-1 which is more than Malik or Hafeez have done in the last two series.

Tell me one thing, how many games has Pakistan won in which Harris has looked the real deal as compared to the rest?

 

[Rana]

Well I don't think you understand the point. He is mainly a batter. As a bowler I think he did an ok job.

Ok so im expecting a Kallis, Stokes like 50 off 40 balls today then

 

[ManFan]

Tell me one thing, how many games has Pakistan won in which Harris has looked the real deal as compared to the rest?

Well in his 22 ODI’s he has made 7 50’s. Let’s look a little closer. He won of the top of my head, the 1st ODI in 2014 against NZ in UAE when we were 5-86. Than we won the Group Stage game against the UAE, ODI’s against ZIM ( 2-0 ) Oh wait. Did he perform in a WC in AUS/NZ? Something that Hafeez and Malik have never done? Let’s not forget his series against BD. Amongst the embarrassing 0-3, he was the second highest scorer with 146 with 3 consecutive 50’s. And his prolonged absence as the result of the incompetence of the PCB only helped useless parasites like Hafeez and Malik to leech of the emotions of genuine PAK fans.

 

[Rana]

Well in his 22 ODI’s he has made 7 50’s. Let’s look a little closer. He won of the top of my head, the 1st ODI in 2014 against NZ in UAE when we were 5-86. Than we won the Group Stage game against the UAE, ODI’s against ZIM ( 2-0 ) Oh wait. Did he perform in a WC in AUS/NZ? Something that Hafeez and Malik have never done? Let’s not forget his series against BD. Amongst the embarrassing 0-3, he was the second highest scorer with 146 with 3 consecutive 50’s. And his prolonged absence as the result of the incompetence of the PCB only helped useless parasites like Hafeez and Malik to leech of the emotions of genuine PAK fans.

Dont beat around the bush. We all know that the hype surrounding Harris sohail is because of his decent performances in the Wc...sadly, Pakistan lost most of the games in which he impressed. He is good, but not anything special

 

[ManFan]

Dont beat around the bush. We all know that the hype surrounding Harris sohail is because of his decent performances in the Wc...sadly, Pakistan lost most of the games in which he impressed. He is good, but not anything special

In a squad of beggars, fans cannot be choosers

 

[ManFan]

And when did I beat around the bush? He was the 2nd highest scorer in the WC, BD series, ZIM series. He played a match-winning knock in his return from exile the first time and has now impressed again after a 3 year exile.

 

[Sherlock]

It was his first match of the tour. Yes he went for 7-an-over but no quick bowler, on this tour, has had an economical run with the ball.

Give him a chance. If he performs the same way with the ball as he did today then fair enough. But what I don't get is users already writing him off. In the same way we overrate our players, we also underrate and demean others.

 

[aloo paratha]

It was his first match of the tour. Yes he went for 7-an-over but no quick bowler, on this tour, has had an economical run with the ball.

Give him a chance. If he performs the same way with the ball as he did today then fair enough. But what I don't get is users already writing him off. In the same way we overrate our players, we also underrate and demean others.

Most people only expect him to be bowling 3 or 4 overs in the middle of the innings.

He's not someone who should be bowling 10 overs, opening the bowling and bowling at the death. He did it today because we only played 3 pacers.

 

[in_cutter]

Trundler like Rumman but seems a handy lower order batter.

 

[Hamstead_joy]

Thank You to the team management to prove me wrong and play him today and Nawaz.

Unlike Imam the guy did not remove himself from selection and took the challenge to bowl to Munro/Guptill in the opening spell. Swung the bowl a lot has a natural in-swinger to the right hander, was playing his first match but has less pace which opening NZ batsman took advantage of.

Bowl superbly in the death overs, all the bowlers Yamin, Rumman, Fahim showed our superstar Amir how to bowl in the block hole and full. Those yorkers made me feel watching a Pakistan team bowling after a long time.

Came in to bat and played positive cricket, battled hard for the side with others till no.11 Rumman. Took the match close to needing 16 runs off 7 balls.


He and Nawaz showed fearless attitude and justified their selections today.

 

[TeymurBlake]

He's definitely needs work but there is some potential there. He can hit the bowl far. He's a capable bowler but not a opening bowler and fielding needs some tuning up. With this being said he's definitely showed what he can do. A bit surprised that he came in at No.9 rather than No.7.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Just happy we've got some shot makers in the team now. Only two oldies to deal with now. Azhar is surely out after this series.

 

[Pete Rose]

Just happy we've got some shot makers in the team now. Only two oldies to deal with now. Azhar is surely out after this series.

a pity. i was willing to give azhar more time because he actually works hard and trying to improve.
I have no doubt that Azhar will become a bitter younis time character in time, given how he is always on the chopping block.

 

[IMMY69]

It was his first match of the tour. Yes he went for 7-an-over but no quick bowler, on this tour, has had an economical run with the ball.

Give him a chance. If he performs the same way with the ball as he did today then fair enough. But what I don't get is users already writing him off. In the same way we overrate our players, we also underrate and demean others.

I agree. Now that he has been selected he has to have a run of 4 to 5 matches to see what he can do.

The problem I see with him is that he's quiet short for a bowler and that's fine if you have pace and real ability with the ball. OR if you're excellent with the bat too which would make him valuable to the team as an allrounder.

So I have my doubts about his overall ability but now he's been selected he has to be given a run.
Even if he fails it sends out a message to other youngsters that if they get selected then they'll get consistent games to show their true talent which will hopefully mean that they play without fear.

 

[Azeem Zafar]

Amir Yameen is mediocre, I can't see how his 120-30 Kph bowling & average low order batting can help us in WC'19. I do hope he can prove self procliamed critics likes me totally wrong but I guess Faheem is the one for the long shot. He has the pace & skill in bowling, fearlessness & intent in batting to become Pakistan's Stokes or Pandya.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It seems fans were expecting a combo of a 80 balls century and a fifer from the debutant Aamer Yamin.

 

[Syed1]

This same team can be alot better.... when Amir, Hasan and Junaid/Shinwari return and Hafeez is dropped for someone who can clear the fence with ease, and when Babar remembers how to bat again. Unfortunately Nawaz and Shadab will have to compete for one spot and Fahim and Yamin for one.


Fakhar
Amin
Babar
Haris
Sarfaraz
Maqsood/Talat
Shadab/Nawaz
Fahim/Yamin
Hasan
Amir
Junaid/Shinwari

 

[BlueDoritos]

It seems fans were expecting a combo of a 80 balls century and a fifer from the debutant Aamer Yamin.

) exactly. Inexperienced Yamin gets criticism while seniors like Malik gets away with it, when they are nothing but passengers in the team when playing against strong bowling attacks.

 

[EliteCynical]

Just happy we've got some shot makers in the team now. Only two oldies to deal with now. Azhar is surely out after this series.

That's not the question. Question is will he be back after next series? I see a pattern of musical chairs here!

 

[CricketAnalyst]

It seems fans were expecting a combo of a 80 balls century and a fifer from the debutant Aamer Yamin.

If anything I learned from seeing the commentary about Afridi it is this.

Any all-rounder seems to be held to the standard of 'did he perform in both disciplines every match?'...

 

[wazzy]

This same team can be alot better.... when Amir, Hasan and Junaid/Shinwari return and Hafeez is dropped for someone who can clear the fence with ease, and when Babar remembers how to bat again. Unfortunately Nawaz and Shadab will have to compete for one spot and Fahim and Yamin for one.


Fakhar
Amin
Babar
Haris
Sarfaraz
Maqsood/Talat
Shadab/Nawaz
Fahim/Yamin
Hasan
Amir
Junaid/Shinwari

Not sure about Amin. We could open with Babar, with Haris at three and draft in another explosive batter - until Sharjeel returns.

Also not sure about Sarfarz - though don't know there is a ready better keeper in the wings.